>Real Magic: What Is It, Really?
Real magic — not stage tricks, but metaphysical interaction — is often described as:
“The art of causing change to occur in accordance with the will.”
(Aleister Crowley)
But that’s just the surface. Let’s go deeper, the unifying, animating force that different systems have called different things:
Cultures and Media: Their Terms for the Universal Force
Taoism
>Tao / Qi (Chi)
>Flowing life energy, the current behind all form and movement.
Kabbalah
>Ein Sof / Shefa
>Divine emanation or infinite source from which all creation flows.
Hermeticism
>The All / Spiritus Mundi
>The universal mind or world spirit; the source of all material and immaterial phenomena.
Wilhelm Reich (Orgonomy)
>Orgone
>A proposed universal bio-energy or life force permeating living beings and nature.
Jungian Psychology
>Collective Unconscious
>A shared psychic substrate containing archetypes and ancestral memory across humanity.
Hinduism
>Prana / Akasha
>Prana: the breath of life; Akasha: the subtle etheric field or cosmic substrate.
Star Wars (Fictional)
>The Force
>A living energy field that binds all things, accessible through will, discipline, and sensitivity.
One Piece (Fictional)
>Haki
>The spiritual force of willpower that can overcome obstacles, sense others, or dominate fate.
Harry Potter (Fictional)
>Magic (Intent + Will + Emotion)
>Though fantastical, magic is often powered by inner emotion and intention, with rules that mirror metaphysical ideas
>Orgone / Floating Consciousness

>A shared field of energy or consciousness (spiritual or quantum).
>Magic = the manipulation or alignment of this field via will, ritual, symbols, or deep belief.
>Language and culture just give it different names, but the function is the same: connection, influence, and transformation.
Some ways of accessing this include:
>Visualization
>Ritual
>Symbols and sigils
>Emotionally charged intent
>Altered states (meditation, trance, dreams)
What Media Gets Right
Star Wars:
>The Force is both passive (existing in all) and active (moved by belief and training).
>It has light and dark, mirroring yin and yang, or constructive vs destructive intent.
Harry Potter:
>Magic relies on emotion, intent, and focus — not just wands and spells.
>Powerful magic (like Lily’s protection or a Patronus) is rooted in love, memory, or deep emotion.
One Piece:
>Haki is pure spirit-will-power, capable of overcoming even “stronger” opponents.
>It reflects personal will shaping reality, which is true to many magical systems.
The Real-Life Equivalent
If we strip away fiction, here’s what many occultists, mystics, and psychonauts believe:
>There is a field of consciousness or energy that connects all things.
>The human mind + heart can influence it, especially through:
>Belief + Emotion (i.e., strong feeling = more “charge”)
>Symbols (language of the subconscious, interface to the field)
>Rituals (to focus will + align with archetypes or forces)
This field might be “orgone,” “the astral,” or even some unmeasured energy in the quantum vacuum. Science hasn’t caught up — but dreams, altered states, and shared human mythologies seem to intuitively know it exists.
So, Yes: Real Magic Exists — But…
It’s subtle. It’s often psychological, archetypal, energetic. It doesn’t shoot fireballs, but it can transform people, create synchronicities, and reshape your path. Fictional systems are dramatizations of real esoteric principles.

>God = totality of existence, not an old man in a chair
>we’re in the densest layer of consciousness
>after death = shared dream realms or personal subconscious paradise
>eventually reincarnate
>astral = collective unconscious
>orgone = free-floating formless consciousness, the fuel of manifestation/alchemy
Can you finally see how it all connects?

>>40557207 (OP)
Unironically speaking, real magick is just the human ability to think, create, and destroy things in the physical world. The real magick all along is simply our own mind and imagination being realized in our physical environment and everyone else in it, and possibly the metaphysical world as well, but mostly the physical world. I think there is something special in physicalism, because in that physical space that's where we might get our most important answers for whatever lies beyond our reality.

So if you wanna do something truly magical, go and do something in this playground called earth that's tangible to our reality. That's my humble opinion anyway

>>40557665
And to add onto that, make sure to do nice and creative things in world. Good magick is the best kind of magick after all

>>40557207 (OP)
Kill yourself frog posting twitter immigrant.

Magic is not necessarily the same as energy/life force/qi. The latter is probably involved in the process of the former, but you don't need to be energy aware in order to do magic. Also, many forms of magic use a higher level of reality than energy too.

>>40557777
Holy quads

>>40557772
?? Pepe has his origins on 4chan new fag

>>40557207 (OP)
Consider the "Magic" of David Blaine, it is a moment where your beliefs are suspended- your eyes deceive you because you have been shown something that up until that point based on all the evidence you have compiled from living on earth should tell you such a thing is possible, and yet this dude just pulled a rabbit out of his hat. "Magik" with a K is a similar thing except it is strangely a self fulfilling prophecy like "the law of attraction" or whatever bs manifestation thing you want to call it

>>40557207 (OP)
It’s creation of all kinds
The stuff you can explain through science and the stuff we haven’t quite learned yet
Even the stuff we don’t even know exist
It’s all magic. It’s only humans who want to make it something different.
There’s never been anything different in love and love is magic

>>40557777

Must be

>>40557777
You do need to move energy though even if you’re not aware of it

Whatever magical method that can create tangible change is going to be the right one for me. I would love to have my foreskin back

>>40562274
I’m praying for you, brother

>>40557207 (OP)
Index (Raildex), Fictional:
Practice of magic was created due to "those without talent" wanting to produce the effects as "those with talent"
Magicians are those "whose wishes are not fulfilled, whose prayers to God went unanswered - people who have lost their way and turned towards this back door called Magic".
"Magicians are like Children who hold knives. And also as Children who have been betrayed by the world, trembling and crying at the same time".
With the use of imitative magic, two similar objects influence each other. Idol Theory postulates that duplicates retain the properties, attributes, and powers of the original source.

consider the following:
>the underlying substrate of reality and all phenomena is not a thing (consciousness, energy, light, god, etc). because what then _is_ consciousness? what is god?
>the underlying substrate is relationship, space between, interaction, patterns - more of a "how" than a "what".
>a pattern which unfolds from apparent simplicity into all things. think about the equation which produces the infinite variances of the mandelbrot set
>a pattern which becomes so complex it dreams itself into being
>gives rise to the phenomenal world (void -> light creation myth) and in time begins to recognize itself (consciousness)
>like a mathematician so focused on the equations he's thinking about that they seem more real than the room around him
>there is no goal, no purpose, no point - all is divine play, lila
>the question is not "why?" but rather "why not?"

so then maybe:
>magick is a piece of the pattern (>>you) recognizing the illusion for what it is
>realizing that you are a piece of the grand pattern twisting back to look at itself; a strange loop
>this realization brings one into harmony with the pattern, "deeper" or "backwards" a level in recursion
>all is play, all is illusory, so the magician bends himself how he sees fit - the spoon does not bend, it is you
>deep conviction, faith, and identification with these facts grant agency over local pattern-space
>the bend (the magician's consciousness) begins exerting a "gravitational pull", altering other parts of the pattern, subtly at first

the gargoyle drowned face down in the warm mud of the geyser he gormlessly sought solace in
the historian never awoke from her rest
the immortal warrior and the world of beauty he sucked dry died in the belly of the cosmic serpent
the goddess could not salvage the husk that remained
the living city did not awaken from its slumber to avenge the devourment of its amniotic shell
the warlock did not ascend beyond his station, his cruelty was for naught
the world was forgotten as the pilgrim was forgotten, and the serpents, having lapped up the pathetic residue of the pool they thought was theirs to birth, realized themselves to be supper for the seafowl all along as it was stated long ago
and the sea fowl made a paltry feast for the ancient mariner who died in the ocean like all who sail as close as you did to the source without respecting it's sanctity
you meddled with the profane, as did the wizard, as did the pilgrim and as did the fool
i needn't remind you of the endless torment you have wrought upon yourself, i'm simply relishing in the spectacle of your demise
may your whores of comfort develop purpose beyond your filth
may the waning trust of your remaining patrons gnaw at your liver
the bird, the weapon, the king, and the mercenaries you enlisted have already risen above your vile cauldron of bile
eight kind eyes observe you, seventy more filled with righteous anger watch you like vultures, rearing up to gobble down the carrion
there is no way out
there is no way through
and there is no way back
i place this curse in the sinking ship of mishandled orthodoxy that produced the snout and mane of the pilgrim's effigy
may the distortions that occur henceforth pass under all those have risen above your rot
may the rot be forgotten and may the acolytes who remain to tend the tomb be stricken with the same madness you succumbed to
larvae shall consume the cheap cotton of the final vestments that bear your mark
i shall not hear you mutter your spells first hand

I’ve cast a few spells via wicca and nothing ever happens. Maybe I’m retarded.

>>40565016
try another system you're familiar with

>>40565029
I wish magic were real.

>>40557207 (OP)
>i read a lot but experience nothing

>>40565029
those bound by orthodoxy are doomed
orthodoxy is disbelief manifest
only the lowliest of egregores seek the ritual offerings of the studious
the writings of the mad fall upon deaf ears while the innocent are heard
those level headed enough to draft a sigil are the dullard bureaucrats of the arcane and their will is stamped and filed into the orderly shape of the entropic threads they are confined by
speak to the devil as your friend if you know him by name
speak to the Lord if your seed is indeed as dust and you have offered him the token of your covenant
speak to the walls if you are certain they can hear you
the slingers of popular mysticism will have you believe you are at any given time manifesting or trans-surfing, the cat is both dead and alive and the atom cannot be split for we all know the cycles of 12, or are they 23, or 32
there is no base bar the illusive golden ratio that solves for equilibrium
the writhing shall never cease
dismiss every word of this lest you ruin the conceit of the role you are challenged with
i cannot undo your shackles, i cannot make you drink, just remember the flesh, remember his image, and do not forget to suck the marrow dry from the rib if you fear your mother as you do your father

>>40557207 (OP)
>Real magic — not stage tricks, but metaphysical interaction — is often described as:
>“The art of causing change to occur in accordance with the will.”
But have You done It yet, anon?

>>40565009
Yeah, maybe, I can dig it

>>40565150
halal is the offering of blood by the gallon
the virgin, the pool, those of the north clad in pulp
the offerings themselves are only ever remembered categorically
those without purpose will honour these deeds with curiosity alone
not once have the fruits these rituals bear been tasted bar those that have been categorized as strange
your stain upon this earth will be the blood of those you subjugated in frustration that you must leave mice upon the doormat of demons only to be admonished and fed beige paste
abraham's seed filled the belly of his sister but the Lord wanted you to remember he spared his son in place of a goat
Esau was spared his inbred father's holy father's blessing for he was red, and hairy and he ate up all his venison, and women and smooth men are subtle and conniving
if you choose service you will become a servant
if you choose godhood you will find yourself with the burden of divinity
if you choose nirvana, at least you won't be any bother
but go ahead, consider your initial desire before trying to magnify it through indirect means, you shall only find yourself enamoured with the snout and mane of the beast

>>40565150
what book is that? freemason stuff?

>>40565276
seek with your eyes not with your words if you are to overcome the serpent and find yourself still confined to the threads of the tapestry

>>40565300
lmao fuck off faggot

>>40565150
I’ve pulled of manifestation, visions, accidental astral travel via dreaming and I receive weird messages in my dreams that are so vivid it feels like i’m there.

The first time I was traveling a long white curvy road with family and friends and oden appeared before me as Gabriel flew above, Oden kept calling me Loki and told me to find “scalara”

Happened to me yesterday a second time, a welsh noble woman in my dream dragged me by my feet after she covered me with animal skins and laid me atop a corpse I recognized as Odens.

But yes I have succeeded with manifestation.

>>40565276
its the book "The Secret Teachings Of All Ages" by Manly P Hall.
you can find the PDF online

>>40565317
what deeds other than the inking of parchment did the scholars of orthodoxy ever commit, feed your curiosity with study if you wish to be confined
and if your mind can't comprehend anything beyond dualism then you might reactively understand yourself as the serpent instead, as you have already done
and now I speak of another serpent
unfortunately, every serpent, even the viper i indeed did nourish in my bosom was born to be overcome
it said I drank of the pool with one mouth and with another mouth drank of my milk
and though it grew to astronomical proportions, and multiplied sixfold, they were only vast enough to eat up their own creation
the mirror they once gazed within to find themselves their only lover, an amalgam of serpents who think themselves a tiger I shall not honour with the orphaned vowel
the calvary outlived their steeds
the generals outlived their men
the amphibian crouched in rot and made fat for the serpent's soft belly to be all the more satisfying for the eponymous hero to impale
consider your level of observation

>>40565409
tl;dr

>>40565423
this is why you struggled to identify the text

>>40565423
>>40565428
and the text, it shall sit upon your shelf, or be an open tab in your browser for the 20 minutes of concentration your broken young mind can muster
and once it's aesthetics satisfy your identity you'll leave it be
I suggest you seek answers to the question of your will in the mundane

>>40565232
>but go ahead, consider your initial desire before trying to magnify it through indirect means
But have You done It yet, anon?

>>40565276
The Lost Keys of Freemasonry by Manly P. Hall

>>40565353
But have You done It yet, anon?

>>40565384
Very close, same author. Good job. Now go do It.

>>40565409
>>40565455
I can admire your Hermit style, should we cal it Hermeticism? Or Daoism? Or just observing the real and being detached from it?
Observe everything
Admire nothing

Where does your Freedom sit? What is its throne?

>>40565705
>But have You done It yet, anon?
Of course I haven't yet I tasted fruit from the symbolic gestures I offered. I have been extremely close friends of those who have offered more, and I have seen their undoing, that said, all three of those men have thus far evaded judgement. They all reside in prisons still, bar one man who offered far more than the other two combined. I do not know his fate and his own brother sits for life in the cell he was destined for.
>Where does your Freedom sit? What is its throne?
Currently I sit upon a throne a greater man than I abandoned and I abandoned the throne I sat upon prior to be here. My freedom is the authority I accrued to convince those loyal to each throne I take for my own that I am worthy of the soft upholstery
When I do not sit I walk
And in the event I find myself quarreling with another fool who considers themselves a practitioner, which happens all too often ever since my first symbolic offering I come here every few years to feather the snout, and perhaps assuage others away from losing the keen point of their will in the aesthetic trappings of it all

>>40565885
Are you happy? Are you free? Are you safe from evil in all ways? Do you have love in your life?

>>40565150
Freemasons are silly critters. I pray the LORD forgives their ignorance.

>>40565920
I am happy when I choose not to be sad. It is as important to grieve as it is to laugh. There are many narratives to entwine oneself with while we spend our time in the garden. We can choose to relish the pathos of the unfortunate gift of tragedy however we please.
I am free from all but the duties I choose to task myself with
I am safe from evil within myself. The evil beyond myself is not mine to defeat. I have been close enough to enough faces of evil to know it's best left well alone.
I am fortunate to have the most beautiful and secure love in my life. We foster in eachother more and more strength so that love is stable. I would safely call her my soul mate. Were she to die, I would dedicate the rest of my days to ensure any portion of her will left unfulfilled was fulfilled to the best of my ability and I would love myself with all the love she shows to me until I joined her again.
I am simple, and what unfolds before me is what I seek

>>40565976
live long and prosper

>>40565976

Who will deal with evil.
Will it tire itself out?
Will it seek inspiration in your love?
I suppose someone else will have to deal with it.
Enjoy your soulmate, anyway.
I wonder, if she asked you to defeat evil,
would you do it?
You said you'd dedicate your own will to hers.
How strong is your woman's will.
Is it strong enough to defend good from evil?
Or is she as shallow as you, no offense,
but does she also only consider her own personal wellbeing?
How can you fucking know love,
unless it is love for all that is good.
How can you love what is good,
without defending it from evil?
Maybe this is too much of a talk for you.
I mean, I hope you can continue enjoying your good fortune, your positivity, and to not have evil in yourself.
In my eyes, there is a shadow in you though.
The shadow of non-confrontation.
Love is not passivity.
Love destroys evil.
Would you stop evil if it came for your lover?
So? Why will you not stop it, when it comes for the others, for those more innocent than you.
Ah. Well, it will.
Those weaker than you, they will be targets.
Make yourself a fucking shield.
That is what is needed in this plane of existence. What are you going to do with that strength your love has given you? Fight with it.

>>40566051
How would you defeat evil?
How would you defeat good?
Have You done It?

>>40566064

How would I defeat evil?
Put a bullet through it's head.
Action defeats evil.
Thinking doesn't.
Talking doesn't.
Having a nice relationship doesn't.

Have I defeated evil?
Well, are you inspired by what I have said?
Did it inspire you to act?

By even telling you this,
I am risking my life, at most,
and my freedom, at the least,
because me telling you these words,
is a criminal offense, known as "incitement".

If you acted on these words,
they could be traced to me,
and I could be put away for life.
That is the reality.

Someone has to fucking say it.
Do you really want me,
to go out there,
and kill a fucking banker?

Be honest.
I have muscles.
I have access to weaponry.
But, I also have a very sharp mind.
Sharp enough to spell out plainly,
what needs to be said.

So, you tell me,
should I personally go out there a kill a banker.
Or would you rather, I continue inciting violence.

We can choose my crime together.

>>40566051
I didn't say I was free from the evil within me. Just that I am safe from it. It is there indeed.
There was good within those evil men I knew too. For I sought that good in them despite knowing the darkness within them too. But extending care to those men did not assuage their evil, it merely enabled it. And when I challenged them with the ugly truth of their deeds, they simply scuttered off, out of the light, to await their judgement.
Love is indeed what destroys evil. But love is not always care and destruction is not always violence.
Men of the law are dealing with at least one of those men, and madness has already destroyed one of the others. That one will indeed tire itself out. The third man, who was the first, I knew when I was a lot younger. And his evil I merely observed. And he spared me of it's brunt. And I do not know his fate
I will consider your words, I have indeed accrued strength, and I do have reason indeed to consider my relation to evil.

>>40566100
>How would I defeat evil?
>Put a bullet through it's head.
You're going to shoot cancer in the head?
You're going to shoot death in its head?
You're going to shoot suffering in its head?
You're going to shoot money in its head?

>Do you really want me, to go out there, and kill a fucking banker?
I keep my money in my local bank, and I'm pretty sure not a single one of the people working their is evil.

>We can choose my crime together.
You're going to shoot crime in the head?

>>40566128

You're ocnfused, my friend.
Too much occult research,
has blinded your heart,
and given a bed for your cowardice.

Cancer is not evil.
Cancer is an illness!
Death is not evil.
Death is the passing of the body!
Suffering is not evil.
Suffering your own negative relationship to your life!
Money is not evil.
Money is a symbolic tool for organizing work and goods!

Bank employees, are not bankers.
Bankers exploit countries,
generating poverty, where there should be none.

Crime is not evil.
Crime is the breaking of statues written down in lawbooks.

Evil is when you use your willpower to commit negative actions on the innocent, not for purpose of retribution, but for purpose of self gain. Examples of evil, are raping, murdering, or stealing. Not all rape, murder, and theft is evil. You know the difference when you see it.
I'm not asking you to fight against evil,
because you're a fucking pussy.
I'm asking those who are actual men,
with actual power, and physical influence.
-Don't.
Don't talk to me anymore.
Go back to your fucking retarded occult books.
Go and be further brainwashed into the idea that there is no such thing as evil. Have fun!
When they come and rape your child,
when you can no longer afford any possessions, I hope you will atleast have your occult books, to help remind you that, there is no such thing as evil. Just forget that your child was raped and murdered and that despite working you can't afford lodging.
Evil loves when you pretend it doesn't exist.
Go back to lala land.
Somebody with a spine might read what I'm saying. I'm writing this for them, not you. Pussy.

>>40566151
>Not all rape, murder, and theft is evil
Your angry, anarchistic babbling sounds exactly like this one dude I used to know who turned out to be a pedophile.
I learned to be careful of self righteous people like you having seen what that person was like.
If you are a nonce, just turn yourself in. That'd probably do more good for the world than if you actually went ahead and offed some banker.

>>40557207 (OP)
>Real Magic: What Is It, Really?
I don't know. I guess it has something to do with magnets? I read that sickness is caused by an imbalance of poles. Maybe lay on hands healing is restoring the balance to magnetic poles.

>>40557207 (OP)
You have to change the universe with the powers in these mini universes (sashaharas)

>>40557207 (OP)
Magic is what you manifest although that word isn't exactly true because one doesn't truly believe what one wants or needs.
Therefore, ritual seals, etc., only serve to elevate that thought even further.
It is not energy per se, but that is the only word with which we can understand it. However, if you continue to think that it is an energy as such, you are very wrong.
However, despite everything, God is above all.
The closer you are to this and the uses you give it, the more you will realize who is above all and who you can always turn to no matter what, because at the end of the day, faith is the same. Again, I repeat, there is no word for what I am trying to say.
But if you wanted to give it an image or a thought, it is something that is always spinning.