We need a word for this - /x/ (#40574014) [Archived: 977 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/21/2025, 3:58:31 PM No.40574014
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There is no widely recognized single word in English or in philosophy/theology that specifically describes the belief that a god existed in the past, does not exist now, but will exist again in the future.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:01:52 PM No.40574028
This type of belief explains why there is unjustified suffering, differences in suffering between people, god as a limited being, with finite (but great) knowledge, finite (but long) lifespan, reasonably benign (but without the excesses of human nature).
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:06:40 PM No.40574048
The closest I've seen to this belief is Hinduism

> "Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata, Abhyutthānam adharmasya tadātmānam sṛjāmy aham."

> "Whenever there is a decline in righteousness (dharma) and an increase in unrighteousness (adharma), O Arjuna, at that time I manifest Myself on earth."
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:08:09 PM No.40574052
>>40574014 (OP)
there is, it's "rabbinic judaism"
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:08:44 PM No.40574057
>>40574048

I have also heard Jesus say

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End" Revelation 22:13
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:09:53 PM No.40574061
or "messianism"... the christians believe in that too cuz they inherited it from the rabbis.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:16:01 PM No.40574084
>>40574052
I thought it was Sephardic
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:17:10 PM No.40574089
>>40574048
>>40574052
>>40574057
>>40574061

In all these religions, they all think god is still around, but like an absentee landlord, watching us suffer in bondage. It doesn't intervene to liberate us unjustified suffering.

Buddha says liberate yourself but that is easier said than done. Even Buddha suffered a lot.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:17:27 PM No.40574090
Once and Future King

also if god/spirits cared about humanity we wouldn't be in this shithole simulation
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:17:47 PM No.40574091
>>40574084
both ashkenazis and sephardim practice rabbinic judaism
askhenaz and sepharad are geographic designators
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:20:19 PM No.40574099
>>40574089

We need a word for how god doesn't exist now because it sort of died setting everything in motion, and that it will reconstitute itself and resurrect from the dust of the univers. Humans are probably merely an accessory to bootstrap god (give birth to it or engineer it)
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:26:11 PM No.40574122
>>40574099

All religions humans are the main character of the universe. But we aren't . We are just a pawn, a steward in some grand plan or a scheme that may not even succeed, but will most likely work out. It explains why 100 billion humans have as of yet suffered and died on earth, so whatever all that suffering for better be good. Quintillions of ants have also died BTW
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:38:57 PM No.40574192
>>40574090

Perhaps it will get better in the future, like the progressives believe. No cycles like how the conservatives believe, just progress.

But I concede things could be better, it is a shithole in many places. A few Atlantises sprinkled in between, fragile and impermanent like Florence.
S
6/21/2025, 4:41:24 PM No.40574205
>>40574048
What if we live in between reincarnations of god. Maybe it takes like hundreds or billions of years, which for God is basically instantly. We're just alone in between.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:44:31 PM No.40574221
>>40574014 (OP)
that's just called a midlife crisis buddy
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:45:03 PM No.40574225
>>40574014 (OP)

>Out for smokes
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:48:56 PM No.40574246
>>40574221

I have felt this way for more than half my life now.

Absentee-Landlordism explains everything even better than any Theism can.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:49:58 PM No.40574249
>>40574225

Out-for-Smokeism.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:51:03 PM No.40574258
I for one theorize that God or Jesus is asleep and when his eyes open, crazy reality-shattering stuff will happen as he retakes control.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:51:50 PM No.40574264
>>40574205

Yes this makes sense to me. Best feature of this belief is that it can explain unjustified suffering in the most Occam's Razor compliant way with least assumptions. God simply isn't there. He was there, and left or died for some reason. And will be back later. But daddy is gone out for a pack a cigarettes now. And will be back any day now.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:54:10 PM No.40574279
>>40574258

This is the way.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:54:44 PM No.40574282
>>40574014 (OP)
That 'god' is the Beast:

>The beast that thou sawest WAS, and IS NOT; and SHALL ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (Revelation 17:8 )
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:57:13 PM No.40574297
>>40574282

Yeah well you protestants say everything is the Antichrist. It is like Hitler to you folk. Napoleon was also called the Antichrist. Everyone you don't like can't be antichrist. Some are just bad people.

Anyways Revelation 22:13 says God is both the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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S
6/21/2025, 4:57:33 PM No.40574299
>>40574264
There is also the possibility that God killed himself to make us and everything, and then we make God again, and then he kills himself again...
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:58:15 PM No.40574302
>>40574299

Yes he died so that we may live.
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S
6/21/2025, 5:02:38 PM No.40574320
>>40574302
One cycle we might create a system that is stable and instead of one, there is many. That way God won't be alone in darkness with Its thought anymore.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:04:27 PM No.40574327
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>>40574320

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

Boltzmann's theories seemed to indicate that God was alone initially, and perhaps later too.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:05:10 PM No.40574329
>>40574297
Nothing to do with time. Time is a spook. There is only the present moment.
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S
6/21/2025, 5:06:15 PM No.40574334
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>Suppose you throw a coin enough times... suppose one day, it lands on its edge
S
6/21/2025, 5:07:34 PM No.40574342
>>40574327
I'll give it a grok and be possessed by it from time to time
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:11:18 PM No.40574364
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>>40574329

There is time. Let me prove it to you. If you watch a game of pool (with perfectly elastic collisions, and no friction) backwards on video, you can't tell the game is being played backwards (because the physics as no preferred direction for time), but within the gram of pool the triangle of balls when the game is watched backwards will appear later in the video. This triangle gives away that there is a initial state from which all other states originates. And the initialness implies ordering and gives the direction to time.

When god is there both at the beginning and the end, what I am trying to say is regardless of which direction you watch universe play, you would see the triangle both at the start and end of the video.

But since your memories can only be formed in a the direction where we proceed from triangle to messy arrangement of balls (due to technical reasons), we think past is when triangle was.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:13:57 PM No.40574376
pure logic
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>>40574364
>due to technical reasons
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:16:22 PM No.40574392
>>40574376

Memory encoding increases entropy so it can only be done in the same direction of time which makes the arrangement of all particles in the universe messier and less orderly.

This is a well known result in physics. It is true for all universes which contains things with memories e.g. hard disks human minds etc
s
6/21/2025, 5:22:02 PM No.40574407
>>40574327
Alright I feel like everyone kinda agrees this makes sense, but people wonder "Well, where did all this stuff come from that is randomly bashing around? And what the frick is the void it is bashing around in?"
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:25:47 PM No.40574430
>>40574364
That's an illusion, a pattern in the maya. In truth there is only the present moment.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:26:34 PM No.40574434
>>40574407

People should wonder "Why there is unjustified suffering more". Because if said stuff bashing around, is just a creation or a simulacrum of something outside it, why didn't it do a better job.

> inb4 fallen creation theories, past lives sin punishment theories etc.
Because those sound like cope. 100 billion humans have died on this planet. Many suffered. Don't tell me its because of Adam/Eve, or because of past lives, because it doesnt explain anything.

Plus there is unjustified suffering like the Indian Ocean Tsunami, 250k people drowned, many near multiple religious pilgrimage sites, including your favorite religion. Don't tell me they are all sinners who deserve to drown. There were babies, and children too. Don't tell me their past lives were sinful.
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s
6/21/2025, 5:29:00 PM No.40574446
>>40574434
If stuff is just bashing around then suffering is caused by inevitability. The will to avoid suffering is what causes this lesser god, aka evolution. Or maybe God is evil, or neutral, or alien, or with greater context all suffering is not bad.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:29:55 PM No.40574449
>>40574407
obviously it's all imaginary because there's no difference between "now" being all possible pasts and all possible futures colliding because nobody knows if they are a boltzman brain!

P.S.: toodles~ ^____________^
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:40:30 PM No.40574511
>>40574014 (OP)
kaliyuga
s
6/21/2025, 5:42:17 PM No.40574521
>>40574449
Alright I gotta think about it more than I thought
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:40:36 PM No.40576662
>>40574258
How do we get Him to open His eyes!?
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:31:01 AM No.40577247
chrono-theism
>the belief in a God that is limited to particular periods of time and or belief in plateaus and bottom outs of the God's influence/power.