Why should a true follower of Christ not perform ritual magick? Why should a Christian not engage in astral projection?

>>40576152 (OP)
Bump. Curious to see an answer

>>40576152 (OP)
Because it doesn't work?
Give me a million dollars and make me 7 feet tall if you want to prove otherwise

>>40576152 (OP)
From what research I have done, limited though that is, the vast majority of magic involves demons in some capacity, though some of it is much more overt then others. Regarding astral projection as I understand it, you tell me why separating your soul from your body and wandering about is a bad idea

>>40576152 (OP)
>Why should a true follower of Christ not perform ritual magick?
because drugs / blood rituals and astrology are wicked

>>40576628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDfYMiSQQp0&t=2525s

>>40576656
Astral projection doesn't make you taller, retard.

>>40576628
Why? It's literally just a shitpost.

>>40577632
this attitude makes your religion unappealing to those who want to meet their full potential. This attitude makes your faith seem like a means of control.

>>40577643
You sound like a faggot Freemason.

>>40577637
He meant the ritual magic part, you dumb bitch.

>>40577643
> b-b--but muh full potential
> i dont want got to be in control

>>40577642
NO VIDEO GAMES?!

>>40576152 (OP)
>>40576628
Why would you need to? You already have God providing for all your needs.

>>40576152 (OP)
You never know who’s on the other end. Yogic Taoist practices always seemed like you earned it to me with meditation, fasting, neigong/kriyas. I’ve achieved a lot and only did the lesser banishing ritual thing once just to do it. If ceremonial magic floats you boat go for it. My body is my temple.

>>40577681
Most of publishing is under control of Rosycrucians elite families in Western countries or esoteric Buddhist in Eastern countries.
Either groups uses technologies as gate to Otherworldly entities.
The electricalCircuit=GoetiaSigil is not just a meme, bro.

>>40576152 (OP)
Every time magicians show up in the biblical narrative, they"re being exposed for fraud.

>>40577925
What do you mean by publishing? Books? And why does this mean that one should not do magick?

christianity is inherently anti-spiritual and made to close people off

>>40576152 (OP)
Because it makes you an active combatant.

>>40577998
Elaborate please

>>40578013
When you participate in ritual magic (That is not to protect yourself but to summon demons) you are entrapping a demon and you will draw the ire of other combatants and demons.

>Christian mage
Lmao, bit late
>>40576693
And how have you researched this?
Never ceases to burst my balls how reading is research

>>40576152 (OP)
You should. Assuming you've already had a baptism and confirmation, there's no reason to refrain from knowledge seeking. It's all about intention, as is with everything.

God gave man dominion over earth, so use it.

I need some feedback, see, past yurp time morning I hurled a dimensional pocket, I did It with lots of hopes, I was no less expecting to stop ageing, apparently It didnt stop human ageing, instead people would feel really worked up about the hair dresser or towel looking at them funny and being nasty w them.

So in summary, I hurled a dimensional pocket expectative was continual youth.
Result was schizo moments.
In hindsight, I think these dimensional pockets are fine for a CT unit, but not quite as anti age.

Here's what, tell me how it went for you, I still might be able to use the data.

(Oftenly I feed the new planet with the energy of these pockets, I'm sure you're thrilled with all the intense colors as compared with old Earth) Oh yeah, humans, you ought choose a new name for your new homeplanet you're standing on, it's a bit like Earth, but different enough, on purpose, in ways that fuck with you.

>>40577967
>publishing
In an older sense it means 'make it public', so every media to be consumed needs to be published.
Much of the ritualistic of Western Esoterism is derivative from Templars and Catholic techniques of exorcism, but different from Catholicism thay sends the daimons to burn in hell if they don't accept the Dogma, Templars and its derivatives started to "befriend" with the faimons and work together, but paying a high price for this practice.
Humans are made out of dust, daimons are made out fire, angels are made out of light . Goetia is a method for you to contact these fiery non human inteligences, Theurgia is a method to you contact those light non human inteligences.
If you are a follower of Christ you know what Jesus talks about such practices.
Whatever you chose to do be careful, bro.

>>40578179
Thanks for clarifying your original point brother, and I appreciate your information.

>>40578031
Wow. Two layers of imaginary bullshit.

>>40577642
>LOTR

...Wat

They fear their birth right because they still see themselves as children under the Father. They're old enough to walk but refuse to leave the garden of faith and security. To them the void is evil, uncertain and chaotic. Even now as Order chokes the life out of their world they still hold the generational fear of Nature and Chaos. Do not push the bird from the nest, rather assure them that they're all too ready to fly. To each all are ready at the time they are meant to, be it this life or the next.

>>40576152 (OP)
Leviticus 19:31 (NIV):
>"‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God."

Magic, like hunting for Big Foot or aliens are demonic distractions.
Proceed at your own risk, but you do not need them to follow God's path. Our time here is limited, so we should focus on what matters most.

>>40577642
>Marihuana

>>40576152 (OP)
I'm now a feminist because of your blessings.


what do you think of this?

>>40578372
I think you made the wrong choice.

>>40576152 (OP)
Because Christ and the Bible say dont bother with it. If you truly love and follow Christ, that should be all you need to stay away.
If you dont stay away, then dont go around pretending to be a true follower of Christ.

>>40578423
Where in the Bible does it speak against astral projection?

Because the results of Ritual magick serve no purpose in a Christian's life. As for Astral Projection, nothing wrong with metaphysical road trip. Yea though I walk thru the valley of etc. etc.

>>40578350
>Levitikikes
lmao, bet you'll quote Exodus next. Christ rekt le torah and talmud.

>>40578878
The transubstantiation of the eucharist is literally a ritual.

Pretty much all of the sacraments are rituals.

>>40578878

This post is so backwards. The orthodox churches are steeped in ritual magic. Coptic, Ethiopian, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox all perform ritual magic. Eucharist is an invocation of the holy spirit combined with an alchemical transmutation. And let's not forget exorcism rites which are literally the exact same thing demon conjurers do except the demon conjurers use the distress the demon is in to make it do things for them instead of banish it. And if you want to dip your toes into protestant magical practices what the fuck are pentecostals doing with possession by "the holy spirit" speaking in tongues and waving snakes around because that is literally the most barbaric pagan magic shit I have ever seen literal greek peasant in a cave tier.

Then let's talk about astral projection, astral projection is ACTUALLY dangerous to those who do not do magic because it sends a massive signal to every single leech, evil spirit, and demon in the area that says "YO WHATSUP IM HERE AND AM OPENING PORTALS" and if you dont know how to protect yourself using ritual, magic, or visualization (which Christians dont) then you are just magnetizing dark things towards you and your home. The more you do it, the easier it is for them to infest your person and home.

I really wish you guys would stop talking about things you have no experience with. You dont know what ritual magic is to the point you can't even recognize it in your own church and you have absolutely no idea what happens when you astral project otherwise you wouldn't be cosigning it in the same breathe you're saying actual protective measures like ritual magic aren't good for christians.

>>40579214
This is the type of discussion I was waiting for. Appreciate it brother. Please tell me more. I was under the impression that ritual magic and astral projection could both be done without "binding" or "communing" with demons. Who's to say that these things cannot be done without pointing the metaphorical (or literal) sword at these entities and intelligences, so as to give the individual space and safety to explore these realms of existence?

>>40579214
>ou dont know what ritual magic is to the point you can't even recognize it in your own church
I don't have a church.

Furthermore ritual magic is gay

So are you

I'm astrally projecting my dick into your ass right now.

>>40576152 (OP)
Their book says they shouldn’t and they have a long history of dealing with those that do.

>>40578296
Typical normie christians just lob all fiction and esotericism together as identical. Even if its christian fiction. They are against imagination, if it is used for any kind of enjoyment. They are pain worshippers. Not Christ worshippers.

>>40577688
BAAAAAAAH! True words <3

Control vs Ascention. Pick one.

>>40576152 (OP)
How does one not perform magic?
Isnt the very act of breathing magic?
Its not what you do so much as why you do it that protects or damns you.

i dont see why not. npcs do npc things. and christians are second only to jews in that regard. theyd probably make fine gateway project psychic warriors

>>40578561
Are you so stupid you think you can get around God with fucking Air Bud logic?
>yeah but you didnt use the english phrase i grew up with, so it's okay
Retarded, and only shows you arent christian and deserving of hell for the lie.

>>40581044
Doesnt help that the vast majority of /x/ dont understand what esoteric means, and just use it as a shorthand for "the hidden metaphor that makes me special".

>>40576693
>From what research I have done, limited though that is, the vast majority of magic involves demons in some capacity, though some of it is much more overt then others. Regarding astral projection as I understand it, you tell me why separating your soul from your body and wandering about is a bad idea
Gods can do magic, potentially to aid you. It's like the Cleric-Wizard divide in DnD, clerics ask for it and wizards do it themselves.
t. irl cleric

>>40583530

>Gods

>>40579214
>visualization (which Christians dont)
Care to elaborate on this point? Is this like your third eye/inner dialogue/pictures such as in ce5 meditation in a way?

>>40578881
Acts 19:17-20
17 When this became known to the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor.
18 Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed what they had done.
19 A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas.
20 In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power.

Revelations 9:20-21
20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

>Up until the end of the Bible magic and witchcraft were banned. Even during the New Testament.

>>40583736
3 in 1 in 3, holy trinity and all that. They aren't wrong. Singular and Plural all at once.

>>40576152 (OP)
Because they’re not real and make you look like a twat

>>40583857
>pharmakeia, which refers to the use of drugs, potions, or spells, often in a context of occult practices

That leaves a lot of grey area.

Astral Projection can "break the silver cord" if done improperly -- the umbilicus spiritus that connects your physical body to the spiritual and inevitably cause your spirit to be in infinite Perdition loop
Ritual Magick opens you up to demons as others have said. You can use it for helpful ones just as much as harmful, but helpful ones are usually gins and take "a cut"
Helpful ones are 12 apostles and any saint and the main Archangels Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael
Bless your spirit that your silver cord isn't already broken.

>>40583948
It's the soul what actually leaves the body in these cases. If the spirit leaves, you drop dead.

“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:26)

>>40583996
Well-versed. Iron sharpens iron, as man sharpens man.
Posting a picture of physical lowest layer of Perdition/Hell.

>>40583857
>When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas.

It is a curious thing they measured that out in such a way.

My interpretation/intuition is leaning towards it's a warning about the scam artist industry, false prophets and all that.

How many of those discord/yt/tiktok magicians have their own courses, school, spellwork for sale? How many are of genuine faith in their products? How many are aware of the nuisances needed to have actual ___ on a customer? How many use them needing sustenance and shelter as a justification for their prices and entire trade?


>>40583857
>20 In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power
I don't feel like checking, but shouldn't 'word' be capitalized?

If so and we're talking Word, then this is just relaying the trappings of the spelltrade. Rituals are generally meant to be intimate, solo endeavors no? So 99% of spells/sold instructions are bunk and merely messing up the temple (i.e. you + holy spirit/word), by muddying the ___, where you interact with the spirit on 'the inside' or whatever.

I don't have all the words for it right now, but I think I'm getting it across.

>>40583877
>3 in 1 in 3, holy trinity and all that. They aren't wrong. Singular and Plural all at once.
Mine is just a polytheist.

>>40579228
>muh demons
Problem is Chr*stians consider anything that isn't G-d to be demonic.
Remember that not every supernatural being is a demon, regardless keep your wits about (You).

>>40586576
You are correct about the spirit world being more than just unclean spirits. The bible mentions a number of entities that aren't, but these entities does God use and send to people for a specific purpose; everything else that we get to interact with is devils.

>>40577925
In some way Jesus name works like a sigil or a spell. By evoking his name you call about emotions that will change your soul (vibration) state to a state that ban demons / negative spirits / bad thoughts.

>>40586576
>>40586606
It's the monotheism hoax. To think of something else as a god is blasphemy to a monotheist.

>>40586617
Are you sure it's not because the others are just tired of hearing Jesus' name (which is usually paired with manic recitation of botched bible verses or half assed prayer/praises)?

The truth is if you have the proper genetics, you do not need to do any of this at all.

>>40577681
yeah what were you thinking fucking heretic? next time be careful, you would have been burned for something like that long ago

>>40583928
I understand it's pedantic, but the Pharmakon was actually wine itself according to Dioscorides, who this reference comes from. Wine was actually used similarly to how we use a syringe or inhalation mechanism today, where the wine contained the drug being administered and ingestion of the wine would cause one to also imbibe the drug.
The reason the delineation is important is because of persistent misrepresentation of administration of drugs through combination with wine; if we reduce this form of drug administration, we'll be more likely to accept other vectors. That's not always an issue though, as the confusion also hinges upon the improper explanation of the use of the drugs in ancient times, which undermines holistic procedures - the kind which has been supplanted by modern medical procedures that are largely unnecessary.
Many people seem to think "pharmakeia" means doing some ritual magic that makes a demon happen or some other trivial level of understanding. The reality is it was sometimes used for something as mundane as having a headache and taking a drink to take an edge off.

A true follower of Christ does not need to do magik. What is the father's is also mine. If it is not yours you are not a true follower, You need assistance

>>40587953
Right on. I always chuckle a bit when too much emphasis is placed on english/modern translations of verses. A lot of Christians seem to think that just because it is God's word or whatever then they can willfully turn a blind eye to the very real fact of it all going through a millenia of interpretations stacked on translations of up to 2-3+ languages deep.

>>40588975
Again, your God is well known for his poor customer service. You may trust your God, but "tether your camel!"

>>40583948
That's your problem, you're a slick salesman pitching for God! You're fishing for souls! So, you're not a genuine friend; you have an Ulterior Motive! You're slaving for The Good Shepherd, but a good shepherd fleeces the Sheep and then sells them for mutton! "Cheap Salvation Here, All Gain ~ No Pain! It's Free and Certain, you'll never have to Doubt again!!" You come across as being an Unselfish "Altruist", so every person with more than a few brain cells to rub together automatically distrusts you! Nothing is Free, and if it's pitched that Way, then your Victims are the product, not the customer! This way, Billy's (Graham) Palaver - "Free!" He died a millionaire! That's a "good" shepherd for you!

>>40578350
>levis
Don't wear jeans when looking for bigfoot

>>40590599
What do you propose as a superior alternative, if according to you, the good shepherd is not to be trusted?

>>40586617

>>40587549

I used to get sleep paralysis. I could not move in any way but was still aware. I was laying on my stomach and could feel a heavy weight sitting on my back. Intense fear the most I'd ever felt in my life the first time it happened.

One of my Christian friends (I wasn't at the time but I am now quite fervent as I follow the way, the life, and the truth that is Lord Jesus Christ and believe on Him as the scriptures have written) had always told me that he thought aliens were just demons and there were many reported instances of people calling on the name "Jesus Christ" and the abduction would end.

During that sleep paralysis event the first time it happened I recalled that conversation with my friend and even though this wasn't an abduction, in desperation I started to try and call on Jesus Christ, just trying to repeat His name. Even parsing my lips was near impossible I was completely immobile but could think. Finally, in the softest wisp I mouthed out the words "Jesus Christ" after a dozen attempts and the paralysis event ended instantly.

I had some more of those events after that day and calling upon His name works every time. No fear either just complete victory by Christ working through me. There is immense power in His name.

Now I pray before bed and ask Lord Jesus Christ to protect me and to assist me so I automatically call upon Him within my dreams if evil is present.

Honestly that is just the tip of the iceberg of things I've experienced. Christ Jesus literally saves in multiple ways, you just have to believe on Him and have faith.

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