Thread 40586173

suffering DOESN'T build character

proof?

Everything you're exposed to builds your character, retarded frogposter

>>40586173 (OP)
it build schizo

>>40586173 (OP)
>firefighters DON'T cause fires
thank you based funnyfrog

if it was necessary then everyone would need to have the same amount of suffering.

>>40586224
>necessary
for whom? what?
>everyone would need to have the same
why?? no two people are the same, why would anything about them be the same?

>>40586173 (OP)
“Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.” (Ecclesiastes 7:3)

>>40586173 (OP)
someone is jealous

>>40586173 (OP)
It can. But it's not an automatic outcome.

>>40586173 (OP)
Suffering just leads to lying to yourself until you believe it. The dreams come true shit is all Hollywood.

>>40586173 (OP)
You must scapegoat.

>>40586173 (OP)
Ya it makes you regress as a person it’s destructive

suffering both builds and tears down character

at the bottom of suffering is the realization that you're having a nightmare inside a dream

>>40586384
and was it worth it to go about it that way?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHlIdFHWnEE

>And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrDfSZ_6f4U

>>40586173 (OP)
Yes and no. Resistance and overcoming obstacles is what builds strength.
>build physical strength by moving increasingly heavy masses - lifting weights
>build intellectual strength by solving increasingly complex/lateral puzzles
>build determination by maintaining steady schedule through increasingly austere situations
But if you try to do too much too quickly, you dont get a building of strength, but a destruction of what currently is.

>>40586464
I can't tell which is worse, the smug nigger in a suit pretending to be sophisticated or the kikes that brainwashed him into thinking he knows about spiritual matters.

>>40586173 (OP)
Yeah, character doesn't exist where suffering also exists, only nihilism supports suffering.

>>40586173 (OP)
Your reaction to suffering can build character.
It can make you stronger, more mature, more wise.
Or it can make you bitter, resentful, even evil.
It's your choice.

>>40586173 (OP)
Life is suffering. To find meaning in the suffering is to build character.

What kind of character does suffering build? Are people who haven't suffered automatically worse off than people that have? What's the deal with this misanthropic mindset? If I could have chosen not to suffer, I would have chosen that, and I really don't think I would have been worse off in any way whatsoever. In fact, I think I might have been better off. Most people don't have to go through half of the bullshit I went through, there's no merit to suffering. Why do some people think suffering is good? I've just completely shut the world off from myself because I couldn't cope with life. It didn't build any kind of character, it just made me numb. I guess people react differently to whatever life decides to throw at them, but I really don't have any type of belief that people who suffer are better people in some way.

>>40586203
Precisely. But what OP refers to is that there is this dumb idea that keeps getting perpetuated that suffering is the de-facto narrative choice to build character.

>>40586655
>there's no merit to suffering.

“If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:” (2 Timothy 2:12)

>>40586655
If you don't suffer it's like playing WoW but staying at level 1 because you don't want to suffer. A high level guy with ripped suffering arms is going to one shot you.

Suffering helps build coping mechanisms
The greater the suffering, the more ample the cope
That's why we are subjected to the limits of Suffering on this earth, so that the coping will also be at the limit: reaching for God. Without suffering, we literally wouldn't even reach for God ever.

>>40586684
limited - sufferings actually triggers inheritable epigenetic changes that deactivate poteen encoding gene sequences. your off spring living normal lives will not reverse the deactivation or tldr suffering may make you feel strong if you endure it but it destroys your blood line.

>>40586673
Is this some type of suffering competition where the people that suffer the most are given something for suffering? You're welcome to win the suffering competition, I don't want to compete in that. In the end it doesn't even matter who suffers and who don't, literally nobody gives a shit. You wake up each morning and eat breakfast and go to work just like everyone else. I'll admit that there might exist people who maybe are somewhat sheltered, but it doesn't define the entire person to me. If I were to choose between suffering and not suffering, I'd choose not suffering any day of the week. Do I get upset that people have it better than me? Nope, I don't give a shit. And neither should anyone else.

>>40586667
I understand. I'd say that we are built in a way that supports that. We remember hard times better than good times. The cope seems logical in that sense.

>>40586697
It's because you are unenlightened to the greater reality. You think life is about going to work and putting shapes in holes for mr shekelberg.
You're actually in an endless cycle of reincarnation. Circumstances won't always be good, you can't hide forever. It's possible for you to be spawn camped.
When you suffer your soul gets stronger and things get better.

>>40586713
Your schizophrenia doesn't make sense and nobody gives a shit about people that suffer or not. Maybe one day you'll realize it, but it seems that you're not quite there yet.

>>40586722
Talking down to someone is not an argument.

>>40586726
Do you get sad or upset when you see fat people? They have spent more time doing things that are enjoyable than you are if you're not fat. Does it affect your entire worldview when this happens? Does it shatter your beliefs? You seem really sensitive.

>>40586173 (OP)

it CAN if youre codependent
on OTHER peoples approval

>>40586713
>When you suffer your soul gets stronger and things get better.
dose this occur if one bears a singular suffering forever or only after one removes the cause of the suffrage?

>>40586729
I don't get upset when I see a level 1 character no. They should be ganked by a higher level player for the lulz. They would be easy to run down because they are fat.
>>40586738
It doesn't matter as long as you're suffering.

You're just given up

It depends on what suffering.

There's a main lesson to learn from every hell.

>>40586751
>It doesn't matter as long as you're suffering.
ignorant philistine, one suffers only when they err

>>40586791
You can also fate yourself to suffer.

>>40586806
would you consider that a wise choice or an error?

>>40586827
If you give someone hell and want to continue being enemies, you may want to make sure they miss the lesson of the hell. Learning this lesson is key to regaining composure.

>>40586840
>or only after one removes the cause of the suffrage?
how agreeable

>>40586827
Wise. I do it to myself.

>>40586855
nice 5s, is your goal to suffer or to overcome your imposition?

>>40586861
Rollin 6s

>>40586869
>69
how copulatory - shame your playing with yourself

>>40586861
Overcome but in doing so become stronger. The goal is to become strong.

>>40586878
disregard media propaganda, suffering makes you and your offspring weaker only, glory (success x witness) makes you and yours stronger, it is glorious to overcome suffering imposed upon you, may your imposition be brief

>>40586888
I suffered a lot. I got max intelligence. But now my suffering equates nothing but a brick wall when new intelligence is thought. However, I become more conditioned.

>>40586893
as a 4 sur-sd-sperg myself, study intra-life-epigenetics, you suffer for not learning the err of your ways (if nothing else read about the green sea slug, they overcome their inherited original sin through a life style cultivation process, change their nature and live forever (till bluewhale subsumed, trololol)

>>40586173 (OP)
No, you're right, suffering doesn't build character.

What does build character are the choices you decide to make for yourself through your own free will who you'll decide to become as a person in the face of suffering, and thus what ultimately builds character is none other than yourself. So, anons, don't let suffering and fate define who you are, instead become the person who you're truly supposed to be by reaching out and taking it for yourself, because it's your choice to make after all is said and done, and no one or thing in this entire world can make that decision for you. Good luck, and godspeed everyone. And thanks too. See you guys later

>>40586173 (OP)
Yes it does. It builds poor character.

>>40586173 (OP)
My brother has been on schizo meds most of his life, he was kind of a sadboi until he got cancer. He’s not a sadboi anymore, he kind of cleaned up and got married but he doesn’t speak anymore he just follows his wife like a puppy

>>40586173 (OP)
It's not the suffering itself but what you learn from it and how to process it.

I had a shitty life in general while growing up, and there's things in life that makes it hard, but instead of being jealous of my friends who had already everything figured out I just chose to better myself, and I'm finally making steps towards my future

>>40586173 (OP)
>suffering DOESN'T build character
Sure it does, what else would make you want to solve problems? Even if it's sympathetic suffering.

>>40586173 (OP)
>>40586200
>>40586203
Suffering defenders are all just coping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE90-AocqFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpmAZnGo2Gc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGvlEJbNryg

>>40587451
If suffering doesn't exist, there are no problems in the first place.

>>40586203
Evil exists in the world in order to generate connection-building.

https://benthams.substack.com/p/why-theres-evil

>Perhaps struggling through an indifferent world, not being micromanaged by God, is uniquely valuable for soul-building. Just going through a narrowly tailored set of challenges doesn’t give one the knowledge that they can overcome hardships in the same way that overcoming a random suite of challenges does. The benefits of soul-building, as of the other benefits on this list, last forever.

>Perhaps being in an indifferent world builds our connections with others. An indifferent world might do this in at least three ways, relative to one where God intervenes. First, the fact that our lives have some element of randomness, where everything isn’t set by God makes it so that our relationships may be more valuable. God designing the world specifically to be such that specific people form maximally valuable relationships might rob the relationships of some of their value, in a way akin to arranged marriage. Second, as Robin Collins notes, going through hardships together, helping people out through hardship, and forgiving others through wrongdoing strengthens people’s relationships. An indifferent universe offers the chance for all of this. Finally, were we to be in a relationship with God, it might be infinitely more intense and thus crowd out our other relationships. Thus, just as there might be something valuable about a person making close friends before they get married, because a marriage crowds out their friend-making ability, the same might be true of us and God. This also seems to preclude God specifically intervening to maximize connection building. This is worth all the world’s evils, because the value of relationships lasts forever into the afterlife.

>>40586655
It's a coping mechanism. One of many used to justify the bad-shit insane and evil nature of the world.
>that disease may have ruined your life and left you brain damaged, but it builds character!
Idealism and compassion is almost always a child's trait. They get stripped away by suffering, until one day you don't even recognise yourself anymore. Suffering builds character like a hurricane builds a tree. Some lucky tree will survive the hurricane of suffering if its roots are strong enough.

>>40586173 (OP)
Character is built through experience. Suffering is an experience. Suffering builds character.
Suffering isn't the only way to build character, and you shouldn't pursue it. But it is what it is.

>>40586173 (OP)
It exposes the strength you already had, and breaks illusions.

>>40587529
>If suffering doesn't exist, there are no problems in the first place.
It could exist in one person and not another, but if the other also suffers for the first they (might) want to help solve the problem.

Character is overrated
Free yourself from suffering

>>40586173 (OP)
What absolute moron would even argue that it does?
It may give you a hightened appreciation for life (once it passes). That's not character.

>>40588000 (checked)
tell me you replied without reading the thread

The occult world must specialize in character building then lmao

>>40586253
What the fuck does that mean?

>>40586173 (OP)
Like it or not, it does.
It not exactly the struggle or sufferering that builds your character, but the thoughts and wisdom you have to apply to overcome it and thrive.
A person that went through the worst will handle himself easily during good or "normal" times.
Think 2Pac, Michael Jackson, Malcom X, etc. None of them were sheltered kids, and they had a character that you dont find in most people

>>40588188
Absolute NPC mentality. You are assuming everyone is a blank slate. They're not. Some people are born to this hellscape only to suffer, with no opportunity to even reflect upon it. Of course if I was to give some examples (trafficked children bought and sold like animals, people who get ordnance dropped on their heads without even knowing they're at war, etc) you'd go "oh not like that, that's like, super rare" or "that doesn't happen". The way you fucking creatures can reconcile the events of the world we live in is beyond my comprehension. Someone can rape you, and tell you they're not, and you somehow believe it.

>>40588152
the Dao that is written is not the real Dao
if someone tells you that suffering is better than joy, they mean that you should suffer, so that they can feel joy at your retard gullible ass

edit: thanks for the gold stranger!

P.S.: toodles~ ^_______^

so guys, like... you know suffering right?
well, get this, *clears throate*...

it DOESN'T build character!

it's not good for character development,
it may even be actively harmful to it.
really, it's not necessary at all. really!
like shit in a milkshake.

>>40586206
Just look at circumcised populations, total literal insanity. Add incest and inbreeding, no wonder so much of the world is completely retarded.

>>40588610
I am boxxy you see?

anyone that says "suffering builds character" suffered and just want to watch others suffer to continue the cycle of suffering.

>>40588188
Not sure about that chief, soldiers who became shell shocked from WW1 became quite brittle as people. Very easy to set them off into a panic when normal people wouldnt even budge

Im sure i could make Michael Jackson pretty upset if i started talking about his dad when that would be a normal conversation to everyone that doesnt have daddy issues

>>40586709
Yeah I think the problem stems primarily in that its used as a crutch or as a definitive rule where if they feel it hasnt happened they way they expected it then they feel as though whatever you say or your person is incomplete or unrefined if it doesnt go through that specific flavor of 'muh suffering'.
They also seem to not acknowledge silent and internal suffering that people do not express or dont have a platform to express since they dont have an audience paying attention to it, maybe because they werent fully paying attention to your life to know.
Its annoying to say the least.

>>40587523
Keep your shitty youtube channel to yourself, cunt.

>>40586173 (OP)
Have you ever played a game on God mode and no clip?
Everything just loses meaning. If you're alive, live bitch. If you're dead, you won't know it, cuz ur fuckin dead.

>>40591263
I did actually and then I went into gamedev and then I made games and was based and branched out into music production and then I went into compsci and linguistics and mathematics and I'm still alive kicking and being based.
All that without the "flavah" of niggerlicious massochistic skillgrind waste-of-time games... isn't that strange?

>>40586200
all the people genocided by the jew

>>40591294
Besides the point. If you're suffering so badly then just toaster bath or something? I'm being facetious when I say that but like yeah shit sucks. It sucks so bad it forces you to grow up and accept the suck until you get good enough to not suck. We all have our weaknesses.