I just saw a dog get blowtorched alive and a cat mother watch it's babies get blended up in front of it on /pol/. But you're telling me there is a loving God watching over us?

If god real why bad thing hapn?

>>40607782 (OP)
Yes there is. Man can and many times will still be evil, but that doesn't refute God's existence.

>>40607782 (OP)
Humans are fucking evil I've seen worse shit and its soul killing you feel it but it's also eye opening to just how fucked up other mortals can be.

We are Gods to them as humans ,we can spoil them love them and have them as pets or be a fucked up retard and destroy them like they did.

>>40607782 (OP)
>I just saw a dog get blowtorched alive.
Based.

TDD

>>40607796
the quintessential NPC dialog line of Demiurge worshipers

God is an abusive relationship

>Refuses to forgive man and let them back in the garden of Eden over one little mistake.
>Punishes you for not unconditionally loving him despite all of his mistakes and flaws.

This creativity of excessive cruelty might be as a result of the exploitation of creativity to create stories and narratives.

Seems like its like a negative aftereffect like when people crash on opiods after using these drugs.

Why do you think Im fighting so hard against that which is perceived to be so beautiful and perfect and amazing and sweet, etc?

>>40607782 (OP)
Ask yourself this: did you believe in God before you saw those things? Did you not realize people and animals suffered until you saw that?
You're just reacting to discomfort. The reality of suffering is a double edged sword when it comes to arguing God's existence. On one hand it can be hard to figure out why a good God would allow these things to happen. on the other hand, this suffering can only have true meaning and purpose if a good God exists. Getting rid of God doesn't get rid of the suffering.

>>40607782 (OP)
Maybe youre a retard and dont know that love looks like a blender sometimes

>>40607782 (OP)
They obviously consented and enjoyed it

you’re just a zoophobic chudcel

>>40607824
I am offended!
Delete this post right now!

>>40607782 (OP)
The Demiurge made this world.

Jews, Christians, Muslims, and others worship him.

This world is shit and I refuse to bring anyone else here.

I'm dissolving it.

>>40607809
the mechanism for the atrocities were put in place by the Demiurge. The God you worship.

yeah, this shit fucked my day too
I should stop browsing /pol/

Sorry Anon, I saw that shit too. :(
I don't know if there's a god, but at least there are still humans who understand that cruelty is wrong.

You have bias anon

>>40608190
You have holes in your brain like Aaron Hernandez anon.

>>40608017
Well put.

>>40608178
It's a cestpool.
I'm honestly glad I was on /pw/ instead of /pol/ (which I've been visiting more as of late) and didn't see them because even thinking about both of those situations makes me sad inside.
Still believe in a God though.

>>40607782 (OP)
It is horrible but on the bright side those creatures are still alive in etheric form and now no longer have to suffer the bad karma that brought about that fate.

>>40607782 (OP)
Believing in a god that our ancestors made up is exactly like if people two thousand years in the future believe that Harry Potter really existed.

>>40607782 (OP)
Really? Man, lucky I never wander outside of /x/...

>>40607824
>Based
Only if you replaced the dog with a pedo billionaire and the cats with a family of [redacted].

>>40607782 (OP)
By engaging in the consumption of this media you are directly entertaining Satan. I hope you know that.

>>40607782 (OP)
It’s not too late to repent your sins and live a life full of good deeds, but you must act quickly.

You have sinned.

>>40607796
Because humans are sinners.
Jesus forgave us for our sins, but only if we repent.

It’s a morality test.
To find out if you’re suitable for heaven or not.

>>40607782 (OP)
OP Is being tested. If he feels pain, cries and tries to change the world for the better, they will be granted entry to heaven. But if they sadistically watch these videos for pleasure, it will be remembered.

>>40607782 (OP)
>I just saw a dog get blowtorched alive and a cat mother watch it's babies get blended
I want you to know that I have a deep hatred for anybody that engages in the consumption of this type of content. Especially animal abuse. I want you to know that it’s angering angels when you consume things like this. When you watch it, talk about it, support it and spread those ideas. I want you to know it’s wrong. I want you to know that there are people who would blend your children in front of you. I want you to know there are people that would hurt you and cause you great pain just for consuming this media.

Now the deciding factor will be what you choose to do with this new found enlightenment. Will you advocate for the better treatment of animals, compassion and empathy on earth? Or will you laugh at it and joke about it on 4chan like a demented sadist?
You can be the saviour for those animals, by taking their experience and changing the world in their honour. Or you can be a demon, banished to the pits of hell.
The choice is yours.

>>40608586
You don’t have to believe in a magical man in the sky and a city on clouds to know that powerful people exist in tall buildings who literally live in clouds.
Heaven and hell can be metaphorical and moral guidelines even if they aren’t real places, and god can be whoever is in charge of the human system.
Religious values, can still be accurate and meaningful, even if the physical concepts aren’t reality. Whether the man with a beard exists in the sky is irrelevant. You will be judged regardless.

>>40607824
Fellow human.
I implore you to seek reflection on the errors of your ways before it’s too late. Your time is running out.

>>40607782 (OP)
Have you seen this?
Would recommend. It’s hard to stomach.

Luka Magnotta is in hell now.

>>40607782 (OP)
I'm sorry

someone posted a video about a girl with her jaw cut off that was tied down to a bed, was that real ? anyone know

>>40608156
Jews directly worship the demiurge. Christians worship Christ who is a messenger of Sophia but were fooled into thinking YHWH (the demiurge) is a part of the trinity and is the father of Jesus. Muslims shouldn't even be taken seriously, meme religion

>>40608669
Why do people keep saying this when Jesus identified himself with the I AM?

>40608017
>you're just reacting to discomfort
That's religion. Having no answers to life's big questions, so we just put the burden on God instead of us.

>getting rid of God doesn't get rid of the suffering
Inventing him did neither. That's his main point. Why invent a benevolent, all-powerful God as an answer to our questions, when clearly there is so much unnecessary suffering. God doesn't automatically create objective meaning either. You just outsource your subjective meaning to a higher beings subjective meaning.
Why create a universe full of suffering? The meaning is eternal bliss in the afterlife. What's the purpose behind that? And so on. God in this case is subject to some kind of preference, some higher law that dictates his decisions to him.

If you think that God gets rid of the suffering in the afterlife and repays us with even more joy, then that's quite convenient. You can't prove the afterlife and can basically imagine everything you want about it, yet it has no effect on the tangible, real pain of this world.
Then another aspect is, which god? Some obscure semitic deity or coincidentally the God that you know since childhood?

>did you not realize that people and animals suffered until you saw that?
He wasn't taken aback by the fact that this suffering exists. Everybody knows that and it's therefore easy to brush it off with generalizations. It's the intensity of the cruelty. Plus taking pleasure in another being's pain. You stare directly into the face of the monster, behind the mask of euphemistic theodicy. Why is this allowed to exist? In such a moment it is clear, if there is a God, he has lost control a long time ago.

The only solution to suffering is freedom of this world, not being bound by the metempsychosis of the demiurge. I will not worship false gods. Every being that wants to be worshipped is automatically not a god. Because it lacks something it needs from us

>>40608644
Probably an Indian or Muslim, both their cultures view dogs as inherently unclean on a spiritual level

>>40608672
“Take and eat; this is My body.”

>>40608672
meddling zionists subverted and mistranslated early editions of the bible in order to conflate Jesus with their satanic storm god so that goyim would worship YHWH by technicality, damn themselves by blaspheming Christ and also still revere their god while also technically still being goyim

>>40607824
A shit skin muzzdog made this post.

>>40608644
I'm under the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. I just detest these vile demonic mutants and I'm pleased to see them go like the vermin they are.

Your mistake is assuming thirdies are human. 90% of those videos are from third world shitholes like Mexico and whatnot. Thirdies aren't on the same level, mentally or spiritually, as normal people. I'm pretty sure they don't have souls and are more animal than human, so god's rules don't apply to them. Also quit watching that crap, it's spiritual poison

>>40607782 (OP)
God gave people free will and some choose to do that. I say we do whatever they did to them.

>>40608660
All this slop did for me was confirm that caffaggots are unhinged retards

>>40609374
Your god , the Demiurge, built the system in such a way where such torture was possible.

And before you say 'free will',

consider the free will of the victim.
consider the free will of wanting to jump into the sky and fly around.

>>40607782 (OP)
sup newfag

>>40610248
I did consider the free will of the victim. I don't think limited options implies choice is impossible. I just want to legalizes the torture of anyone caught doing this and go to war with countries that don't torture people that do it.

>>40607782 (OP)
Stop watching that shit, anon. That evil shit stays with you. I am in my 40s now and massively regret watching all the rekt and gore threads from decades past.

>>40607824
Brown mudslime hands wrote that post.

>>40607782 (OP)
link to the thread?

>>40610306
Dog worshipers aren't white, because only shitskins would like to have these gross, smelly, deadly, disease-ridden mutants from hell trash their neighborhoods with noise pollution, shit and piss and chargings and maulings, all unnecessary and the sure mark of a savage who abhores anything that is civilization.

>>40607782 (OP)
Why don't you go over to where that is happening and stop it?

>>40607782 (OP)
According to Aztec mythology the dog killer is in for a nasty surprise when they die. When the living die they go to Mictlan and must go undertake a challenging journey through the nine levels of this underworld. The first is Apanoayan, sometimes called Itzcuintlan, where the dead must cross a river with the help of a dog. But according to some if the dead person abused dogs in life the dogs would not help them, and they’d be stuck forever.

Kek, all the abrahamist cope ITT. They'll say literally anything other than "Yeah, its kind of weird this stuff happens when god is all good and all powerful. Makes me think"

Now that you know that evil exists, also know that watching more of it feeds that evil with the energy of your shock and disgust.

There's an organization that combats organized cat torture; I've only poked around their site but seems legit.
https://www.felineguardians.org/home/worldwide

Feline loving vigilantes caught a cat killer in China and made him eat poopie.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/man-in-china-forced-to-eat-faeces-after-he-allegedly-abused-cats-to-death

>>40608617
>It’s a morality test.
The irony of this statement.

The idea that someone should be tortured to death so that I can walk free is as far from morality as you can get. So much so that there have been times I think the morality test should be to REJECT salvation.

To accept salvation means you are so afraid of the consequences that you want the innocent to suffer in your place. If a judge sent someone other than me to prison for my crimes my response should not be to correct this, it should be to correct the injustice. Let him free and put me in jail.
>oh but you see, he's already taken the punishment. All you have to do is accept that.
The right thing to do would to be appalled at this so called justice and tell the judge in no way do you accept that. Let the punishment of Jesus be entirely God's doing. I didn't choose it.
>but the Bible says we did
What I'm Jewish now?

I feel like the true test of morality is to
Plead guilty and take the punishment. I know I'm a sinner. I'm very afraid to take the punishment. Terrified. But I cannot accept that you punished an innocent man on my behalf.

That's not justice. It isn't morality. To accept the sacrifice is to accept immorality.

You failed the moral test, if that's what it is.
The only test you passed is the
>I'm afraid to do the time for the crime and would accept any immorality to get out of it

That's a fail.

>>40611171
>i caught you with your hand in the cookie jar
>you need a spanking
>or, I can spank your brother
>do you accept this?

It's so easy to see the moral failure accepting Christianity.

>>40611208
Then the idea that heaven will be full of these people willing to throw someone else under the bus. Hardly seems like any sort of paradise to me. I would rather my company not be among these.

>>40611220
And finally. The idea that the moral authority of the universe could come up with THIS and nothing else.

Absurd.

>>40610248
>consider the free will of the victim.
>consider the free will of wanting to jump into the sky and fly around.
Wow.
This is a new argument I've not seen before and really brings up a massive contradiction on the usual already unsatisfying answers.
If you say the free will of the rapist requires the victim to lose their free will, then why can't the rapist fly? The universe already has limitation on free will. So why allow suffering?

Very new argument and yeah that certainly pokes a giant pin in the
>the world is like this cuz free will
Argument.

The ONLY explanation that doesn't throw the "good creator" concept away is if this suffering has a gear purpose.

The unfortunate thing for that creator is we've yet to find that to be true.

>>40608017
>this suffering can only have true meaning and purpose
Why is this purpose never revealed? Doesn't the teacher ever tell the students how they did on the test? Why the deafening silence?

Free will is a bitch

>>40607782 (OP)
i cant imagine seeing that last one. im sorry anon. we never should have had access to such sights and technologies, ignorance is a bliss in such cases, there is evil everywhere, no need to see it all and let it affect us if we cant even do anything to stop it.

>>40607782 (OP)
If /pol/ was an evil place full of evil people, why would they spend millions a year on shilling gore, negativity and regression there?
There's no need to bombard hell with travesty.
But heaven? Aye, the devil would adore that.

>>40608617
Jesus didn't exist anon, time to wake up

>>40607782 (OP)
Cruelty of this world doens't mean that God not of this world is cruel anon. I know problem of evil is hard to resolve, but losing faith in Him because evil people are evil?

>>40613539
Is not just that. His absence is sorely felt by seekers who fail to find.
>OH BUT HE HAS TO REMAIN HIDDEN CUZ FREE WILL!
stupid argument. The sun coming up in the morning makes me aware of it. Does this remove my free will?

>>40607782 (OP)
You watched it in a marijuana cone, not a normal suburban alcohol song

>>40611928
The purpose of my own suffering has been revealed to me. I can only project my own answer to you, because I can't life through eyes other than my own. You need to search harder, search more honestly, be willing to be corrected, and not get caught up in the web of other people's suffering. I'm not saying to not care about other people's suffering, obviously we should love and comfort them, but we can't know the meaning of everyone's suffering. But I think the meaning of your own suffering is readily available if you're willing to look and be honest (it's always to your benefit in the end)

>>40613662
>hey there, kid with leukemia, this is for your own good!

>>40613685
>hey there, kid with leukemia, this is for your own good!
Is that better than
>Hey there kid with leukemia, you're suffering for no purpose at all
Neither of them get rid of the leukemia. You're just using his suffering as an excuse to push your own narrative. And maybe you could say the same to me, but which perspective has more function for the one suffering?

>>40613699
>push your own narrative
It isn't my narrative. It's everyone's. And your response proves that is just cope.
>i have to give this suffering meaning
Cope to help you endure it.

Plenty of people have experienced agony and gotten nothing from it except a nice case of ptsd. Assign meaning all you want if it helps you cope

>>40607782 (OP)
Who forced you to watch the video?

>>40607796
No one has ever given a convincing response to this question

>>40613725
>Speaking for everyone
You're delusional and arrogant

>>40613738
Good argument. The guy you were talking to always uses the same argument and refuses to listen to reason.

>>40613751
>reason
Nigga he just said he told the kid his leukemia has purpose because he didn't know what else to tell the kid.

He himself didn't call it cope but that's what it is.

>>40607782 (OP)
I've seen several images of dnb (dead nigger baby) on the sharty of black kids in the congo or whatever with their heads chopped off by a machete and other ways they've died and I have also seen ai baby gore videos too

>>40613760
>kid with leukemia

The other thing we like to tell kids with leukemia is they are gonna be ok.

All these are copes.

>>40613760
Man cannot stand a purposeless life
Carl Jung

>>40610248
Yo U know, demiurge is under the schizoposter everyday bullshit like U n me, demiurge could be framed by the psychiatric doctors and he could be ok, and the real enemy is psychiatry - controlling the demiurge

>>40613736
Isiah 45:7
Most people are dishonest. I’m not.

>>40613773
https://ourworldindata.org/childhood-leukemia-treatment-history

He is gonna be ok. But it was the action of people in medical science. Not hope.

>>40613801
Oh my hecking science this so true!
The reason the practice of science is discernable is because we live in a world filled with purpose and meaning instead of chaos

>>40607782 (OP)
Adam and Eve were given free will and chose a world of evil. We now have to face the consequences and choose to be better. God’s like the parent that lets their children do something stupid and learn from their mistakes first-hand.

>>40613801
Why is it always a persons responsibility to fix suffering? The arguments are so circular.
>god made the kid suffer
>god offers no relief
>man, in his compassion, strives for and eventually through this determination, the kid gets relief
>"oh thank God he pulled through!"

God didn't fucking care. People did.
>but God inspired everyone to fix the issue He created
That's shit and you know it.

>>40613828
>Adam and Eve don't know good from evil
>let's place them where they will be tempted by evil

This is like a parent telling kids to walk home from school when the guy in the white van is around. Terrible parenting.

>>40613829
If God cared he would bring my ex and kids back to me. He would rewind time and not let her break up with me. God knows where to find me. If he cares. I’ve been praying for God to restore my family for 15 years. I sincerely think he doesn’t care about me.

>>40613828
>God’s like the parent that lets their children do something stupid and learn from their mistakes first-hand.
Or, it is like HE'S NOT EVEN FUCKING THERE!

>>40613801
>>40613829
>>40613843
Are you guys just circle jerking at this point or what

>>40613843
If God cared no one would be able to barbecue a dog alive.

>>40613845
No. We are angry and ironically in a position where we still want answers. That only happens when you haven't COMPLETELY given up on the idea of meaning. We want so much to be wrong. Isn't that obvious? It's just that all the answers we get are extremely unsatisfactory.

>>40613799
Thank you. I wish more people could be honest about the source of evil instead of coping through victim-blaming like this retard >>40613828

>>40613857
This. If God wants to care and restore my family, my faith in God will be restored. At some point though, if this keeps up imma kill myself. I wish with everything I am that God would make a way for me in Jesus name with Samantha and my kids to be with ME. Not some other fat fucking slob. Why would God allow such an atrocity to take place and never lift a finger to make it right?

>>40613857
You aren't going to get far if you continue to search while angry

>>40613874
God not only allows evil, he likes it. He prefers we be good but it’s the only reason I can think of that so much bullshit takes place in the world.

>>40607782 (OP)
>frog post
Free will, motherfucker. You wanted it, you asked for it and now you are angry you have it.

>>40607782 (OP)
When you meet those people in RL, simply kill them. I will do the same. We can't expect God/ the Gods to do all the work.

>>40613881
It’s not our responsibility to search for god. We saught him. We went to church. We sang the songs. We gave faith. God let my family get ripped apart. I’m willing to show her forgiveness. I’m willing to give my faith back to Jehova. But he hasn’t up until this point done a thing to help my situation. He just let her get railed by other men. Like that free will is somehow more important than the goodness of unity and the wholeness of my heart. Her free will is more important than even my life or the life of my children to be with their real dad. No he let them get abused because that’s what God’s will is. I wish it were better. I wish God would change our lives for the better. I wish that God would change Samantha’s heart and mind. But he refuses to help. And for the life of me, I can’t figure out why God treats me like I’m some enemy. Like I’m the shit on his shoe instead. So yes I’m angry. I’ve prayed to Jehova in Jesus name. Miracles don’t seem to happen for me.

>>40607782 (OP)
Also /pol/ is a shithole, don't click on questionable thumbnails. For your own good.

>>40613840
True, but I was told as a kid to not let strangers pick you up or lure you with candy, and then we were let out into the streets until dusk, and yes, people who probably would nab kids did hang around places.

Similar with Adam and Eve: ‘Eat from the tree and you’ll die.’ Lucifer was the kidnapper telling them ‘Hey kid, want some candy?’

>>40613885
Evil is encouraged and often rewarded here.
>but Satan rules this world
It's God's creation. Is he a pussy?

>>40607782 (OP)
why are normies too retarded to understand why free will is important, and if stuff like this couldn't happen, we wouldn't have free will, and wouldn't really be conscious alive beings.

It's the opposite of God that desires you to ask these questions, because the opposite of God is the one who wants to have you as a puppet.

>>40613912
I guarantee you that if your parent was all seeing all knowing and all powerful, they wouldn't let you in that van

>>40613926
>muh free will
Where is my free will to fly?
Where is the kids free will to be cancer free?

God has already set limits on free will. A cripple can't ever walk. Where is HIS free will?

Oh but it's important while we are denying perfectly fine people their free will, to grant the free will of the torturer, rapist, and murderer.

Also where is the free will of a murder victim?

Get the absolute fuck out of here with the NPC free will response. It's old, it's been debunked, and we need better answers.

>>40613874
I believe both are responsible. God made the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If God is omnipotent, he could have never made evil, but he did. He made both, we picked, we face the consequences. The parents hired the kidnapper.

>>40613921
Not just a pussy but seemingly an idiot also
>design a powerful entity that wants to rebel
>get mad when he inevitably rebels.

>>40613927
>>40613874

He made the kidnapper exist, but still told us not to engage for our own good.

>>40613954
>Oh but it's important while we are denying perfectly fine people their free will, to grant the free will of the torturer, rapist, and murderer.
The free will argument condemns a good God. He chooses to sit there and watch you die. Ironically is better for God if he isn't all knowing and all powerful.

>>40613926
They get off on suffering because they don't want to give God's potential a single inch of ground. They don't bring up these situations of suffering because they care about the suffering, they bring up the suffering because it's convenient to their case.

>>40613926
>>40613886
You talk of free will but of the free will of the victim? You are ready to defend the free will of the rapist yet say nothing when the free will of raped is violated.
Whatever the reason thus shir happens, free will has nothing to do with it.

>>40613973
With advocates like you, it's no wonder religion is dropping to all time lows

>>40613987
This

I can't will myself a pile of gold, i can't will loved ones not to die, i can't will myself invisibility

God sets limits on free will all the time. Why close it for mundane things but leave it open for a murderer or rapist.

Only a sick God could create this place and only the sick can defend it.

>>40613988
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2025/04/20/easter-church-christian-gen-z-men/83138618007/

>>40614010
Cool they can wait for 2 weeks for the second coming

>>40614015
Why are atheists so angry and unpleasant

>>40613987
>>40613999
It's still about free will. Domination and submission are all a part of that.

>>40614010
>atheists abort
>Christians procreate
It was always going to be this way.

This is why religion exists btw. The people who don't find a reason to live, a reason to procreate, even if it's a cope, end up outbred by those who do.

There's a selective pressure toward religion. And while I'm not religious myself, I'm glad it's this way. Hope is something everyone should have. I don't care if they are deluded or coping. I don't want them to have the existential awareness I have.

Ignorance is bliss.

>>40614010
Yeah, this.

I hate this shitty world as much as the next person, but accepting the unappealing nature of good and evil is more peaceful to people.

>>40614023
You march into that hospital and tell that rape victim it is God's plan. While you're at it tell her she has to keep the baby

>>40614027
>I don't want them to have the existential awareness I have.
Which is? You drowned in your suffering, and looking up at the people who crawled out of suffering as if you're better?

>>40614018
If you aren't mad you aren't paying attention

>>40614041
If you're mad, you're incapable of paying attention
It blurs your focus. I think you know that, but you enjoy your anger because it makes you feel superior

>>40614046
Heated discussions are good. It’s the raging ones that don’t contribute anything.

>>40614040
>better
No. I wish to be wrong. Is just that none of God's earthly advocates ever give satisfying answers to why existence is what it is. Lots of this flailing is a desperate attempt to get that one guy who actually knows what is up AND can communicatev it, to do so.

I'm not trying to convert you to non belief. I'm trying to save myself. And no, it isn't a choice to have faith. You can't just turn off your mind when it has questions. I've made a few attempts at belief and the darkness always creeps back in.

You can't choose what you believe.

>>40614060
>Is just that none of God's earthly advocates ever give satisfying answers to why existence is what it is.
The answer is within
You look for answers from "gods earthly advocates" and then you see the suffering of babies and kids
You need to look within.

>>40614023
>part of free will is the denial of it and removing it from others.
Anon, I would have accepted an "i dont know" than that retarded statement.

what's god have to do with a being with free will doing what it do?

>>40614064
Ok but this seems more eastern.

>>40613926
Where is my kids free will to not be abused by the men Samantha brings into their lives while she keeps me shut out for no reason?

>>40614069
Sounds like a core concept of Buddhism, I agree.

>>40614069
Does it?
Who said the kingdom of heaven is within you

>>40614065
The free will argument is dead with respect to proofs of God. They'd be better to say it's all got a purpose. Like we are in heavens boot camp or something. Better to say that the pain has purpose than to say it's a free will thing.

>>40614078
Jesus is the Maitreya

>>40614079
So why have a Bible if it's just inside?

>>40614090
Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth
But don't believe it because I tell you to

>>40614093
The Bible with the sacrificial system turns me off. Sorry. It all seems insane.

>>40614104
Forgiveness without punishment would not fulfill justice

>>40614093
Cool pray for Samantha to come back to me so I can simply be with my family and have it fully restored. I’m willing to overlook and forgive everything bad that ever happened. I just want things to be good. I want to be with my wife Sam. Even if I never have sex ever again. She’s that important me. Yes even though she did a lot of terrible things. I still love her all these years later. God should be able to see that.

>>40614112
So punish the guilty. All this proxy punishment while I go free seems very Jewish

>>40614104
That was before Jesus flipped the tables of the merchants and tore the temple curtain that was regarded precious.

>>40614119
The guilty will be punished. You don't need to accept salvation if you don't want to. It's a free gift.

>>40614119
I don’t even want Sam to be punished. I just want love to flourish. I want life to be fucking good. Haven’t I suffered enough missing my kids childhood?

>>40614117
God is doing this so your eyes are open to the ways of women. No offense but your wife is without love and you shouldn't ask for restoration, but for your future.

Any type of prayer that includes another person having to change is weak. I've never seen it work. Pray for yourself to understand and heal.

>>40614129
>>40614117
Samantha probably left because you're obsessed and weird

>>40614126
This. You aren’t obliged to accept it, or even believe it’s real.

>>40614125
So God himself thought the shit was fake and gay. Why then did he accept his own sacrifice?

>>40614135
>Any type of prayer that includes another person having to change is weak. I've never seen it work.
This is also how people get abused. They think God will keep another person on a good path.

Some people are wicked and the only thing you should pray for is discernment

>>40614126
Then why wasn’t I saved the anguish and agony of my family being ripped apart? Until God restored it, imma stay mad at God. I put God first. I prayed. 15 long years and God still keeps me away from my kids. My daughter is a few months from being an adult. They don’t even know me. Samantha kept them from me. God sat by and did NOTHING while they were abused by other men. God sat by and watched me cry and beg for my family to come back, day in and day out for FIFTEEN godforsaken years. God hates me for some unknown reason. Because he’s not telling me.

>>40614126
>The guilty will be punished.
As it should be. The innocent being punished for the guilty seems EXTREMELY Jewish.

>>40614145
The Jews refused to accept any change. They believed Moses but not Jesus, because the latter contended with what Moses wrote.

>>40614135
Then God is weak and not worthy of praise. Sorry. By not restoring my family and respecting her hatred instead of changing it to love, makes God a liar.

>>40614164
Acts of charity seeming Jewish might be giving the Jews too much credit

>>40614168
>makes God a liar.
It does when the Bible says prayers are answered. I think it's mistaken on that. Not all prayers are to be answered. That would be impossible anyway. Two boxers praying to God to win a fight. Someone isn't getting their prayer answered. It's impossible for all prayers to be answered because they will contradict each other or ask for impossible things.

In your case you're asking for impossible things. Your wife does not love you. 15 years without you. You should be praying to heal and understand.

>>40614167
Rank bs.

“¶ Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.” (John 11:47-48)

“But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews? For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.” (Mark 15:9-10)

>>40614188
This is a prayer that should be answered. I’ve inquired pastors and even they said it seems strange. People blame me for things. Like I watched as other families get restored. I watched as other people get out of wheelchairs. Meanwhile cancer ripped through me and the treatment was almost worse. Yes I’m in remission. But like God seems to be testing me like he did Job but like for some reason he keeps doing it. I’m just so tired anymore. I’m not really angry at God. That would imply that I have enough energy to even be angry. At some point once my affairs are in order, imma get enough fentanyl to kill a horse, go out into the woods, ask God to forgive me, and swallow the bottle.

>>40614188
People get prayer wrong when they ask for physical objects, riches, and other people to do their will.

I've never seen those prayers answered.

Praying for guidance. To heal. To understand. For faith. These prayers, I've seen answered.

>post number 128934139874789 that assumes the loss of freewill=Eternal Bliss when it could very well, especially if you look at History, be Eternal Hell with zero ability to ever change it
Some of my ancestors were Coal Mine slaves once, they used their freewill to think and fight back so as to not birth their kids into that hell
>Flight
The Wright brothers figured that out for us
>Cancer
Mega corps endlessly dumping toxins into the environment, refined sugar being normalized, inbreeding, alcohol/drug use during pregnancy, and our parents not really caring in favor of having a "good job" and a easy lifestyle, aka giving up your free will, agency, and being retarded
>Cripples
Mega corps endlessly dumping toxins into the environment, alcohol/drug use during pregnancy, and our parents not really caring in favor of having a "good job" and an easy lifestyle, aka giving up your free will, agency, and being retarded, other irresponsible humans using their freewill for terrible things, or a terrible human fucking around and finding out and getting knocked the fuck out
>why can a human use freewill to do terrible things
Because it prevents eternal hell from never changing because freewill exists

Also if you literally take liars words for how freewill works aka as "religion" you'll always misunderstand it, that's on purpose because the people behind said religions actually just hate you

>>40614212
Why won’t God heal my family? You’re retarded.

>>40614206
I would inquire you to ask for help outside your church. Please read this post. >>40614212

I think you are asking God to change other people. I'm sorry you want to end it. I've been there and while I've had ups and downs, the things that made me want to do it aren't present anymore.

It was really hard to get to that point and faith played a role. Some of that was the fear of death and hell. You might consider that kys is murder.

>>40614191
I stand corrected. Good to know.

>>40614212
I have both seen these prayers answered myself and heard the same of other people. It's not about what you ask (so long as it isn't inherently sinful), it's about God's will and purpose for you.

>>40613954
>>40613977
>>40613987
>>40614075
So we should all be puppets in order that none of you are subjected to any hardship whatsoever?

Nothing has been debunked you are all just big mad and too emotional to see the truth.

stay allistic lmao

I'll say it again and again: Christian Univeralism is the only form of Christianity that can resolve this moral dilemma and answer the question of Evil

Every other form of Christianity: Infernalism and Annihilationism, fails in the face of this question

God saves all, even the sinners and the unbelievers, and the demons and the devils and the antichrists. ALL are saved and ALL will be made NEW.

>>40614238
Ah yes. One of God's advocates here doing nothing to help.

>>40614238
1- everyone is a puppet to something
2- we are all subject to hardship no matter what
3- there is nothing to debunk
4- you are projecting
5- why did you include the Samantha guy
>>40614245
Friendly fire lel

>>40614245
as opposed to you absolute faggots crying into the internet about your problems.

God helps those who help themselves.

>>40614244
That makes the most sense because God's will is that all are saved. And He has eternity to do it. I think Hell is real but God isn't going to toss someone in and leave them there to rot forever. It's not His will.

And He's God. If His will isn't done, then he is not God.

That said, even this theory could have you in Hell for a long long time.

This thread is a mess and I think people at this point are arguing with people they agree with
I'm out

>>40614250
maybe stop being an internet know it all and actually experience something real g

>>40614257
This what I want to believe. Hell is real, but I feel like good isn’t going to create the race of man just to take a portion and torture them for eternity. Punish for sinning? Yes. For an eternity? Seems irrational for a human with a sinful nature.

>>40614263
God^ mb

>>40608617
>It’s a morality test.
And god failed it.

>>40614263
>For an eternity?
For as long as it takes, I think. There will be holdouts.

Jesus went to Hell for 3 days and saved some while there. That's biblical. If Hell were "eternal separation" those there could never be saved. And yet they were.

I think many are in for a long stay. But punishment is intended to alter behavior. Punishment without redemption is just stupid. God isn't stupid.

>>40614227
You have never been as deep as I currently am. I guarantee it. I’m not scared of hell. It would hurt less than not being able to watch my children grow up. It would hurt less than knowing my daughter was raped and there was nothing I could do to protect her. I don’t believe in God anymore. A God who would allow that is no God of mine.

>>40614278
>I think many are in for a long stay. But punishment is intended to alter behavior. Punishment without redemption is just stupid. God isn't stupid.

The issue with this interpretation is we have evidence even here on earth that eternal suffering is likely.

Right here in our own prisons. Some people who go to jail, get out, do crime, and go back. We have evidence right here on earth that rehabilitation doesn't work in all cases. You can take a criminal, put him in solitary for fighting, he is in agony in solitary, and after a long stay, you let him out and he gets into a fight that day.
>Some men you just can't reach
Therefore, they stay in jail.
>ok but Hell doesn't have to be punishment
It's gonna be by virtue of the company there. It's all impulsive cruel people. It'll be like jail, getting victimized by all the other sick people there. They murder and rape one another in their sin.
>ok so maybe everyone gets their own jail cell so they don't hurt each other
Oh, so solitary confinement? Lol this is one of the worst punishments we use

The people in Hell WILL suffer
And many will never learn.
Hell is real.

It isn't God's will that it be this way. He wants everyone happy in heaven. But He also can't have Heaven suffering fools the way we have to here on earth. He's infinitely just. Therefore, some will live separate and I think that place is the best estimation I can think of for Hell.

>>40614291
>I’m not scared of hell.
You should be.

>>40614291
You got it all backwards.

“But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” (Matthew 18:6)

He's telling you these things are bound to happen, and that the perpetrators are getting on the wrong side of God.

>>40614339
Oh no anyway. Wont be much different than my current situation. Except I’ll be burning. At least I’ll be warm. God will still hate me without cause. I still won’t be able to see my family. Life will still suck just as much. I’ll watch everyone else get their miracles who sinned far worse while I burn for literally no reason. While muh free will was more important to God than simply letting me be a dad to my own kids. Yeah I’m not really scared. God has done his worst to me. Or worst adjacent. I don’t think you understand the incredible loss I’ve suffered or how deeply it’s affected me.

>>40614334
>>ok but Hell doesn't have to be punishment
>It's gonna be by virtue of the company there. It's all impulsive cruel people. It'll be like jail, getting victimized by all the other sick people there. They murder and rape one another in their sin.
Fuck. This sounds like our existence.
G-guys, are we in Hell?

>>40614355
Seems I’ve always gotten the wrong side of god for 15 years. I just want love and forgiveness. I just want things to be good. I just want to be there with my family. I just want life to be awesome. I’ve prayed for it every single day. I sit and wait. I’m patient. But I was forced out, forced to miss their entire childhoods. Based on her lies. God let that happen. I’m not mocking God. I’m telling the truth.

>>40614360
Are you being tormented with fire right now? I throw not.

>>40614374
Maybe the highest circle of Hell?

We certainly could afford to do better

>>40614374
I’m being tormented by not being allowed to see my family and be with my kids. I was tormented by missing their entire childhood. I’m tormented by the lies of my ex Sam. When all I wanted was love and family.

>>40614395
Some never even have the beginning to that. Shrug.

>>40614368
I'm not sure what the whole story is, but if you didn't arm yourself and attempt to rescue your kids, that's on you pal. Don't blame God for your failure.

>>40614400
Be grateful. It sucks. I’m willing to forgive and let it all go. I’ve already forgiven her. My daily continued prayer is for them to be restored to me. In unity and love. Idk why God hates me so much.

>>40614405
Yeah I’m just supposed to arm myself against the person I loved more than anything else in the world. I’m just expected to know she was going to do this to me. I’m supposed to fight in a broken system where it’s illegal to be a father. When I fought and lost. And continue to fight. And continue to pray. And continue to wait. Yeah, I think I’m done with life. I don’t have any fight left. I’m weak anymore.

>>40614409
Maybe her daily prayer is for you to not be in her life.

>>40614417
>illegal to be a father
It really is. But that's not God's fault. Ironically if this were a more Christian nation it wouldn't be illegal to be a father.

>>40614427
It is God’s fault because God is in charge of the rulers.

>>40614441
>in charge
Absentee landlord.

>>40614420
It probably is. Somehow my love is worthless to her and God. And wonder why people hate God anymore?

>>40614444
Quad quads trvth nvke
If God is real or really cares, he knows what to do for me while I live.

>>40614417
You feared men more than you feared God and failed your call to provide protection for your loved ones. If someone had taken my kids away from me like that, I'd have killed and destroyed anyone in my way to get them back.

You can be forgiven, though, but making excuses for it isn't going to help.

>>40614458
I’m not going to kill my wife bro. And you’d be sitting in prison not being allowed access to your kids regardless.

>>40614463
Killing your wife would have accomplished nothing, but beating her up and running away with your kids would have.

>>40614476
Yeah it would result in them being relentlessly pursued, ending in him being shot, or in jail. Without his kids again.

Come on man. Think.

>>40614492
“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” (John 15:13)

>>40614492
Right. We’re living in a society that was ordained by God where it’s illegal to defend your family. It’s illegal to be a dad. My love is seen as stalking. No I haven’t stalked her. I live in a different state. Didn’t stop the arrest and extradition where I sat in jail to prove I wasn’t stalking her. Then they just shit me out into the street where I was homeless and jobless where I got behind on my child support and had my drivers license taken and rearrested. Yeah I’m suppose to “arm myself”. And people wonder why people are angry at God. And I’m still willing to forgive and move on with and in love. I don’t want to fight. I just want things to be good. So I sit here in my kitchen day in and day out praying while listening to the birds. Waiting for the next lie to come.

>>40614513
>was ordained by God
It never was.

>>40613736
If God isn't real why do good thing happen

>>40614238
I’m not saying that I’m not going to be subject to hardship, but there definitely should be a limit. It’s like God let satan have carte blanche over my family like it was no big deal. I pray daily for their safe return. I’ve waited patiently like I was told to do. I’m still waiting patiently. God said “I’m not saying no I’m said be patient” but there was no timeframe given. I’m suppose to just sit tight for decades while my kids get raped and beaten while I’m looked at like the bad guy. The courts do nothing to step in even when I ask for supervised visitation. I finally got a mediation appointment on the 8th of next month after 15 years of this tooth and nail fight. Ya know and I’m suppose to just sit here with my thumb up my ass with zero communication from her or the kids. They think I abandoned them. That’s what she told them. Which is bullshit. I would lay my life down for them. I’m fighting even now. But I don’t have much fight left in me.

>>40614740
If God isn't real why does anything happen at all?

>ah I am free to choice my actions
>ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>I chisel the block of my soul out of my actions
>ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>40614754
Life is tragedy
It's little consolation now but God has the final say here and in the afterlife
You will be glorified inacord with your suffering and faith

>>40607782 (OP)
>But you're telling me there is a loving God watching over us?
You say this until you see the good in the world or the greatness of God.

Quran 70:19-21

>>40614892
Your god is a devil and your prophet fucked children.

>>40614740
Assuming God is all good, you would expect the reality he created to be all good. But it's obviously not, so what's his fuckin problem?

>>40614905
>Your god is a devil
Wrong.
>your prophet fucked children
Also wrong. Everyone was having sex with what we consider today to be children 100 years ago. Even today, most of the world marries and has sex with what you consider to be children. So, who decides when a child becomes an adult and why?

I'm not condoning anything illegal.

>>40614927
If she can bear children safely, it's fair game, which can't be said of a nine year old. Legal minor is a meaningless term.

>>40614891
I’m not even blaming God for what happened. I just wish he would step in and make things work a bit better. So instead of just praying for their safety, I started to pray for her return to me. Because the prayer for safety didn’t stop the abuse they suffered. And I’m aware I don’t know the whole story but there’s been zero communication. There was a time where I was called to be there for them but she argued with the cps workers to keep me out of their lives and the fat cunt listened to her. God just kept letting it happen. I keep praying daily. I keep trying to have faith. I keep hearing “be patient”. “Wait”. How long? “…” and I know I’m supposed to just trust the plan and I should have made better decisions in picking a wife. I don’t have children with any other women. I refuse. It’s not right. I can’t go through this again.

>>40608635
>comparing blending normalfaglets in front of normalfag to cat watch it's babies blended
You genuinely disgust me.
Normalfags are demonic filth

>>40607782 (OP)
God does whatever pleases them. You only matter to God if you are part of enacting God's plan.

>>40611171
> Plead guilty and take the punishment
And what if i am not idealistic doormat?
I value my own interests and i will never harm myself, its suck and wrong.

>>40615254
Then you lack morals

>>40613736
The gnostics did, and so did the buddhists, and the egyptians, and the zoastrians before everyone else.

You need to lurk more

>>40614034
Everybody chose the experience they would have when they incarnated into Earth. Our Heavenly Father gave us free will so we can experience what evil felt like so we could better appreciate heaven. Just because you forgot doesn't change the fact that we all chose it. Getting so worked up about the game just means you have a skill issue.

>>40607782 (OP)
Yeah there is a push (by your guys)
to make "o9a" the boogie man
KEK at you soi gooners and frog troons
You ate the bait

o9a is way to abstract for normal faggots and the gore - well, its not flashing anybody, not even the cp trading

well done Glow Niggers, its normalized, all your power lost. and o9a is a live again. Hail Deofel

>>40614374
The fire is metaphorical. To many higher dimensional beings, Earth is hell. Fire and brimstone doctrine only started becoming popular after the Catholic church killed all the earliest Christians and co-opted Jesus' message to create a social engineering programming.

>>40615410
It's not convincing though
>God is all good and all powerful but knowingly, willfully caused the creation of the entity responsible for all evil but hes not responsible for evil himself and if existence is hellish it's your own fault because of free will even though you are a tiny insignificant speck compared with God
It doesn't make any sense

>>40615482
It's not convincing to you because you are still stuck in a low vibration mindset looking for someone else to blame. If you refuse to accept accountability for your own issues, you will never accept the truth no matter how convincing the proof is. Inspect yourself and examine your traumas, fears, and ego, in there lies the truth.

>>40608617
retarded

>>40607782 (OP)
The point of hell is you can do whatever you want to whoever you want without having sinned because all are condemned in the eyes of GOD.
AKA I can do anything and be a hero for it.
Everyone deserving of paradise goes to paradise after the apocalypse, and Satans paradise is punishing Evil in Hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt8ycUfj7Nc

>>40615428
>so we could better appreciate heaven.
I can tell you that even when I'm having a great time here, the knowledge of others suffering is a source of imperfection.

I'm of the mind that any knowledge at all of suffering is suffering in and of itself. And to be happy in heaven i would be to be lobotomized or know that suffering has been abolished for all

>>40615550
The imperfection is the point anon. Imagine being in a perfect paradise for all eternity. You don't think you wouldn't get bored after 1000000 years?

>>40615538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn7BFc3-Fy8

>>40615572
You take the red pill, you wake up in your real world matrix pod and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the blue pill, you stay in the matrix, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx-DT8wUY80

>>40607782 (OP)
Beauty is also in the hearts of the zealots that have courage to kill evil
No one can change my mind on this no matter how hard they try unto the point of ridicule

>>40615584
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5To4nn4ZVc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SV44tB15g4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK6xkOizAbU

>>40615567
I might create challenges for myself.. but ones i can overcome. The challenges of this world break me. It's not growth. It leaves me empty.

>>40615601
>>40615584
>>40615572
>>40615538
We just haven't got all the souls completely sorted out yet, so there's some delay.

>>40615587
This is why i cannot abide by biblical advice to not resist evil.

>>40615516
>If you refuse to accept accountability for your own issues
That's simply not the case. And I'm not talking about evil that happens to me necessarily or even evil in humanity. It exists all throughout nature.
I'm not denying the existence of God, but I'm saying if God exists then he's not all good

>>40615605
The congrats, you'll learn to appreciate heaven a lot more when you get there. Take it up with the you that chose to be here once you get your memories back. I know I will.

>>40615626
All of everything you said has already been answered by wise men more than 2000 years ago, are you genuinely a newfag or just pretending to be dense?

If you cannot handle that spiritually as a test from the Most High and Most Low (to see if you're on their caseload) stray awake from dark net/DARPAnet. I post cars so you can look at something more masculine that is friendly/pecuniary energy

>>40615695

>>40615620
Biblical narratives wherein momentary decisions during the lifetime of Jesus namely raising the sword to Roman authorities sent by Jew-ish are not timeless and universal maxims meant to be followed blindly
God gave you reason
Use it
Your failure in interpreting is not my problem

>>40615670
Like I said, I'm not convinced by anything I've ever read. But if you know something I don't, please enlighten me.
>inb4 accept accountability for your own issues
Already have. My life is fine. Again, this isn't about me.

>>40615810
It is about you anon. It is all about you. Your choices and your thoughts have infinite power.

See, I just told you something you didn't know.

>>40608165
Without evil, can we really know what is good?

>>40608178
For some reason, a lot of /pol/tards like to spam gore even when its unprovoked and/or unwarranted. At least the scat made sense, i don't get why anyone would save videos of animals/people being tortured horrifically unless they were into it to begin with

>>40613736
free will
ur dumb

>>40607782 (OP)
>don't touch the flame dude
>shut up, I'm free *touches it*
>reeee it burns, why didn't you stop me!?!?!

>>40615901
Yeah it's my fault that kids have leukemia
Retard

>>40614955
Childbirth is actually one of the riskiest things a woman can go through anyway, makes you wonder why God designed the act of bringing a life into this world the way he did and why it's so flawed

>>40613436
Who does?

>>40615928
You have a lot of anger and bitterness in your soul. You should focus on yourself first before you start coming to the big boy club and discussing big boy ideas. Don't go to college if you can't handle kindergarten.

>>40615516
Nta i look at it like this. It’s not my fault but it is my responsibility. I didn’t ask for bullshit to happen, it just happened. I have to rise above and hold onto people as hard as I can. Even if they can’t see my efforts yet. I developed a strong body and a strong mind, but if God wants the glory, he should at least help me out, otherwise what’s the point. I get that God hates laziness. I’m not lazy. Shit happened to me and God stood by and watched it happen. Yeah I’m still alive and all that. I’ve forgiven. I don’t want to see the people who hurt me punished. God forgive them and me for our sins. Please soften their hearts so that all may continue on in love and kindness. Lets separate those who no longer belong together. And bring back families.

I pray for Samantha dude. I can feel his pain from here. I pray that Samantha would stop being a bitch, run (don’t walk) RUN into his arms and beg home dude for forgiveness so God doesn’t send her ass to the pit of hell. I pray in Jesus mighty name that whatever she is doing right now, be destroyed and everything keeping his family apart just come to ruin. I ask all this in Jesus mighty name. Amen.

The problem with Christians today is we’re not standing together to combine our faith as many touching one thing. Let’s all hold together against that evil and stand in the gap for their family to be brought back together.

And I’ll continue to pray for homedude. I don’t care about his story, if he’s willing to forgive, then he’s forgiven of his sins. Just like all the rest of us broken niggas.

>>40615926
Why would a loving god allow the event to even take place?

>>40615954
I dont though. But im not going to pretend religionfags have the answers they clearly dont

>>40615954
Ah yes. The good old ad hominem. Such perfection. No way it can be countered.

These are gods advocates.

>>40607782 (OP)
stop watching jewish videos

>>40615978
I pray that God reveals the answer to you in Jesus name that you be enlightened to the hurt in your heart. I pray healing over your mind body and soul. I pray that anything in your blood that’s not suppose to be there be removed. I declare in Christ’s name that you are healed, you will continue to be healed, and any of your needs be met until such a time you can walk on your own faith once again. I ask all this in Jesus mighty name. Amen.

>>40615997
Okay thanks man

>>40615964
I like to call myself a Christ follower instead of a Christian, but I don't really care about labels.

I'm glad you want to make the world a better place and you are working on yourself. That means you are on the right path. That doesn't mean you should feel responsibility, pain, sadness, grief, anger, hate for the world around you. Remember Jesus takes our retardation into account for his plans, and we are not meant to be responsible for others, only ourselves. Put on your air mask before you put the air mask on others.

There is no such thing as eternal hell. Hell is a state of mind, and our heavenly father does not use it as a punishment. It is a place of purification and correction, a loving father will never burn people for punishment.

Standing against evil is what we are here for, but that doesn't mean we have to make it into a war. If you turn it into a war, you'll get a war. Better to just come to peace with the game and swim with the flow. I'm not saying to take it easy, just that Jesus has it handled and there's no need to feel like the weight of the world is on your shoulders. This is a fortune 500 size team, not a one man startup.

>>40615970
because all children need to grow up eventually. coddling your children just leads to them being spoiled brats. its the same for us.

>>40616009
Yeah. We need to stand for each other.
>>40616012
We are responsible for each other. That’s why things aren’t working for people. Everyone is so caught up in their problems they’re blinded by them. So stand with me and pray with me. Stand in the gap for the hurting that their need be met. I view family as a need and free will is a lie. The Bible says it costs something. Count up the cost. It’s not free. So fuck Samantha’s will, may God’s will be done in their lives. It’s not her choice. She made that choice when they had children, be it in or out of wedlock. The promise was made. She needs to be held accountable to that promise. That’s why homedude is hurting. The lack in his life. We need to take a stand against all unrighteousness.

I also pray that if homedude was abusive towards Samantha, that be destroyed in him. That they continue on, only in love and tender forgiveness. In Jesus name may he be healed.

Maybe that’s why he suffered for 15 years, or maybe it happened so the miracle that happens is sweet as honey to both of them. I hope it’s the latter.

>>40615871
I wish that were true, then I would use my power to make sure no innocent creature is ever harmed unnecessarily again. Unfortunately I have no social influence, little money, and a lot of work to catch up on this weekend.

>>40616109
You’re operating under the false premise that we’re innocent. We’re born into sin. We’re forced to deal with it regardless of whether or not we want to. We have to take charge of our lives, pray for each other, and stand in the gaps for each other. Doing it out of love is the way to be.

>>40616128
I am just as God made me. I didnt create myself and i didnt choose the circumstances I was born into. If im a sinner, it was God who made me that way

>>40607782 (OP)
Where do you think good karma comes from you absolute buffoon? Someone has to take all of the bad karma and suffering so that everyone else has good fortune. You should never feel empathy for others suffering. Dumbass bitch

>>40615994
Ad hominem implies that I'm attacking your character to avoid having to address a central point. I'm not. I genuinely love you and am telling you that you clearly have mental issues, please get help.

>>40608017
It can only have a purpose if that good God isnt omnipotent. Bad things happening as a side effect of good goals is a natural part of human weakness. We would love to make cure all drugs without side effects but we are completely powerless to do so

But an omnipotent being? He could just rewrite reality so that he could achieve any good goal without nasty side effects. The fact that any vile shit exists at all is because he wanted it to be there, its purpose is itself

Christians can agree that there is vile shit in this world but they just cant accept that the being who planned for vile shit to happen is atleast somewhat vile simply because that omnipotent being declared himself good

>>40607782 (OP)

Hey OP, I'm gonna be honest, I don't have all the answers. I'm going through a crisis of faith myself actually. I'm no bible scholar or saint, sometimes I doubt if there even is a real God, but here is one thing I know for sure:

Faith in Jesus is what allowed many people to continue fighting. I was converted to Christianity not by the Bible, or by unfunny Tradcath or /pol memes, but by an ex drug addict in a wheelchair. She had been through so much pain - she suffered miscarriages, rapes, beatings, drug addictions, and in the end, she died from cancer. Yet, she still believed in God, even until the end.. That is what moved me to believe in Jesus. She endured so much, and still believed.

Whether there is or is not a god is irrelevant. I like to believe there is one, I think he has answered my prayers, but regardless, Christ existed and the fact that you are disgusted by these vile actions shows that the things He fought for - decency, kindness, compassion - are still alive.

>>40607782 (OP)
Jesus Christ dude, what the hell?

>>40616174
Yes you need to be reborn if you want to live forever.

>>40607782 (OP)
By watching those videos every clicked play that person gets $$$$
You just supported a animal abuser/murderer.
They have grown more popular and stronger thanks to you.
Because of your continued support in watching said videos, thousands more animals will suffer. And it's a BIG THANKS TO YOU!(YOU)

You people need to understand that we live in a fallen world. That’s the default. Suffering happens. It sucks. The hope is that you as an individual repent and stop sinning and the reward for said actions is that you get to live forever. Yall are ass backwards.

>>40616469
Whew, I needed to read that.

>>40607782 (OP)
Yeah avoid those threads like the plague
My mind and eyes have suffered enough from this hellish website

>>40617998
I used to suffer this stuff so that i was "informed about how the world is". But after some thinking, I think not focusing on the horrors of this world is best. For the 30 seconds a zebra gets killed by the lion, it led years of life just grazing and chilling. If all we focus on is the death, we are skipping the life. These videos show some horrific ends, for sure. But I would like to think that everything will balance in the positive. And that everyone's ledger is at least positive on average.

Focusing on these videos is like focusing on one brown note of an otherwise glorious symphony. Why ruin it? Am I "informing myself" on a 40 minute long symphony experience by focusing on one bad oboe note? I would think no way.

I no longer watch these videos. They break my heart. And there's no reason to. I'm not "informing myself" of anything i can take action on. The animal can't be brought back by me suffering empathy for it. I can't go kill the guy before he does it, or even kill him before he does the next one, for I've not the resources or knowledge to get to him. All I'm doing is making myself feel bad.

The world has these horrors but also beauty and i have to believe the creator will somehow make it alright so I'm not driven insane. I would rather cope than despair.

>>40616469
So you worship a jew-on-a-stick how sad. I hope you find the dharma brother.

>>40616469
What beauty did you find in that? If i saw something like that, i would be angry at how much god let her down despite how loyal she was to him.
Its like a dog wagging his tail for his owner, happy to see him every time he comes home from work only for the owner to beat and neglect the dog every day, its just disheartening

>>40616469
>Yet, she still believed in God
It was cope for her.

>>40618111
>saaar do not reedeemful
Your kind is real life nurgle cultists

>>40607782 (OP)
Don't watch those, the moment you see it's gore or fucked up. Close the video. You are only darkening your soul with those images. Just look at some of the repplies here, trying to explain the video with racism. Evil in the world is everywhere, it is part of human nature as it's the animalistic part of us. From pedo rings, child sacrifices, animal tortures. These are found everywhere, not a race issue but a human issue. Jesus has already answered your question to be honest. See how he lived his life and you'll see he was rejecting his humanity the whole time. These messed up things that trouble you are worldly things, you need to reject it just as Jesus did. Then you can stand above humanity, for at that moment, you are closer to the divine than humanity.

>>40607782 (OP)
Instead of blaming the perpetrators, you blame someone else. Looks like you are female brained. Don't forget to dilate.

>>40607782 (OP)
both happened in china, right?

>>40615516
>accept accountability for your own issues
This is what anon and their masters say to the kids they stole before they eat them

>>40607782 (OP)
Yes, that is precisely what I am telling you, OP.

>>40607782 (OP)
Your recognition of what was missing reinforces the notion. curses and blessings

>>40608617
Well i watch videos of women getting killed and or murdered because i don’t have a gf and didn’t have many in my entire 27 years of life so far. Also in part due to the fact that im autistic and women despise that as soon as we communicate. So when i watch these videos i feel joy in knowing a woman who can pick and choose her happiness (because so many penises will approach her entire life) gets murdered by crazy people makes me happy because thats was just 1 more woman who would have told me she has a boyfriend or something. i know i would never kill anybody and if these women dated me i’d love them and wouldn’t kill them, sadly they can only choose the most dominant men and sadly those men have so much issues that its a match made in hell when the mental issues combines with their violent nature.

>>40607782 (OP)
God had you witness it, so that you will be ready if or when God sends you for vengeance. I was at a dinner and somebody I knew asked me about getting fit, and about some basic wrestling training I had been doing, and kept asking me shit, like "how do you learn to fall", but he was really actually interested and I didn't want to blow him off, so I tried to answer but not elaborate too much.

Some absolute s.oy Dad next to me suddenly piped up
>Well, my goal in life is to never
>be in a position where I need to know how to fall
(everyone clapped expected)
I just sat there, and 11 faces looked at me, then some lady said
>well?
and I said
>What about when God sends you?
which was exactly understood by half and completely incomprehensible to half. The ensuing discussion was wild.

>>40607782 (OP)
The fact you watched this means your braincells are too few to withstand the AI convergence, get ready for death.

The root cause of evil and suffering is not political, social, economic, or individual.It is ontological/structural. Free will isn't responsible for non-human suffering, free will isn't responsible for biological imperatives, free will isn't responsible for entropy. A good and all-powerful god could unmake this fallen world. The smug Abrahamics in this thread are so putrid.

>>40607782 (OP)
>>40613736
anon the very same people torturing animals and such will one day wake up as the very same animal they tortured and relieve it's fate as long as it needs to take the dipshit out of them
then they will die as humans in the most gruesome way possible and do it all over again

tl;dr: life is about taking the dipshit out of you

>>40607782 (OP)
Go back to plebbit tourist
https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/

>>40624704
Im not sure why he even tried to make this world, it is very hard to imagine rules of reality that dont lead to self perpetuating selfishness. Existence itself is destined to be cursed unless its being babysitted 24/7 but gods too much of a dumb neet to do that

>>40607782 (OP)
>I just saw a dog get blowtorched alive and a cat mother watch it's babies get blended up in front of it on /pol/
>on /pol/
why WOULD YOU go there EVER?

>>40607782 (OP)
If you have a problem with it, then just stop feeling bad for the pain and suffering of external beings. Their suffering has nothing to do with you, so why do you care so much?

>>40624704
Exactly what I've been trying to say, but I'm not as eloquent as you. Thank you

>>40607782 (OP)
No you didn't. Stop spam posting this drivel.

>>40607782 (OP)
The righteous will rejoice with the punishment of the wicked. Don't be wicked and fear God. Because 100 times worse will God do to people who do evil things like this.

Hell is justice.

>>40607782 (OP)
[*blowtorching and blending will continue until motal improves*]

>>40625651
This

>>40624468
> I watch videos of women getting killed

Where may one find such videos if I may ask? (for a friend of course). All the gore sites I know are cucked and are 90% men getting hurt

>>40608635
You are angry at the wrong people. So much so it's repulsive. By your sadistic logic you fall into the same category as OP for having read this thread.

>>40625559
>it is very hard to imagine rules of reality that dont lead to self perpetuating selfishness
Hard for us, but not for Him, if He existed. That's why all Christian theodicy falls flat.

>>40624704
>good and all-powerful god could unmake this fallen world
The irony is this is what mankind has always been progressing toward. Removing ourselves from the harshness of the natural world.

If we can invent ways to keep warm and comfortable, why cannot God provide this for his creation? The animals suffer EXTRAORDINARILY more than the free will humans who "brought sin into the world"

Once again with God in the picture you have the innocent suffering for the guilty who do not suffer. Is that really the morality of a perfect God?

>>40625658
>Hell is justice.
And yet you don't go there for your deeds. You go there for lack of faith. The animal abuser can "find God" and there will be no hell to pay.

Meanwhile an atheist who cannot accept the nonsensical Bible will burn.

It's all fucking stupid when you place any logic on it. People don't because they fear. But when you're not afraid and question the Bible it all falls very quickly.

>>40607782 (OP)
Friendly reminder that christianity is a crude mish mash of some belief systems from that region. Nobody above 90 iq takes it seriously or bothers arguing with its golem believers. Treat it as any other jewish control psyops

>>40607782 (OP)

Loving God? Yes.

Watching over us? No.


We bow to him, or we bow to what he is not. He does not make us bow.

And if you will not bow to Good, then you must bow to evil. This is a white or black world, all that appears gray does so only in the mind’s imperfect definition.

>>40627309
I cant imagine christian morality going beyond "might makes right". God, who is the mightiest of them all, is always right. It doesnt matter what tragedies he allows, how many children he inflicts with cancer or how many creatures he allows to get eaten alive. There is always a justification for it served on a silver platter by his followers or the blame is somehow completely shifted away from him and on to a scapegoat
Its tiring to argue with them because they have no standards other than that

>>40607782 (OP)
Evil is real and it is horrifying. There are events that simply happen for reasons we don't understand that make everybody fearful and sad. If you look long enough at the world, you will see the terrors of the Earth. Keep your friends and family close. Protect them and spend time with them. There is evil out there, and life is better if we stand together against it.

>>40628073
>blame is somehow completely shifted away from him and on to a scapegoat
Which is ironic. The entire sacrificial system is built on this. It sure is bizarre the creator and his followers feel so guilty all the time. I mean, if you're the creator of the universe, you could make every pain neutral, every neutral pleasurable. Such that none suffer. You can easily absolve yourself of all guilt. You could erase all experiences of pain retroactively so none of it ever happened. And rewrite the story however you please. A good story with no suffering ever having occurred.

Why do i have more imagination and mercy than the creator of the universe?

>>40628174
>You could erase all experiences of pain retroactively so none of it ever happened.
This wouldn't even be necessary; undoing all that ever was. All you'd need to do is recontextialize all of existence so that the suffering was understood and appreciated, and abolish all future suffering. Right now. Do it. For everyone. And no, not by individual enlightenment. Not when it's all so hidden, if any meaning is to be found at all.

>>40628459
>And no, not by individual enlightenment.
This is sure to piss off the "spiritual" here who think it's (You) who is responsible for navigating your way to "Truth"

As though a loving God would not simply enlighten all seekers. Instead the Truth is obscured so that almost no one knows it.

Hence, religion, where the masses larp as though they know the truth.

>>40628073
The paradox: Given the state of His creation, it is best for God if He doesn't exist. The Bible even says so. He himself calls himself terrible, jealous, wrathful.