How effective are magick spells?

>>40618087 (OP)
entirely depends on the particular spell, its purpose, intention, and components.

spells are, in the end, actions of intention designed to inspire any particular outcome through the butterfly effect/the domino effect.

if you have underlying knowledge of what causes the results you desire, making the right spell isnt somuch about following any particular grimoire's rendition as it is about finding a path to route your intention in that most effectively amplifies the energy (matter/electricity) youre seeking to.

trial and error and tinkering with concepts within foundational cultural understandings is really what most historical grimoires were based on, the best practitioners study the structure that physically underlies what they want to affect, and strategically choose what they believe creates the best "ripple" through existential reality.

tldr; depends on how much/how you study, what you study, and how you actualize it.

>>40618135
I cast a spell and all I had of this person was their willful signature. I can’t find a photo of them online or offline. I hope it’s enough. My intentions are pure and strong. I lit the candles and said the line and did the rest of the instructions. I’m not doubting it. I felt different after. My dog started barking like crazy after it was over. The wind picked up like nuts. Idk if these are signs it worked. It was strange to say the least.

>>40618168
remember, believing your intentions are pure and strong and your intentions actually being pure and strong are two completely different things. number one tip is to relax and let the universe do what it will. if its meant to be, it will happen. if it isnt, it wont.

>>40618087 (OP)
Person getting the spell cast on them has to believe and know it to a degree. The intent of the caster can then impact the target. Or you can just do the equivalent of claiming you're casting pain and then wack em in the head with a stick

>>40618186
What’s meant to be was destroyed. This has to happen. The wind was crazy. Like no wind all night. You could hear a pin drop. I did the spell, my dog started going nuts then the wind picked up. It made the lights flicker. My intentions are pure. I harbor no ill will for this person. I forgave them before casting it. I let everything go except the love I have for them. It was cathartic.

>>40618203
she doesnt like you bro, no amount of hokus pokus will bring her back, in any context, especially given the state of mind this exudes.

plus, it would be rape even if it did, so like.... yikes.

>>40618192
NTA, however, that’s not always the case. For voodoo maybe. Wiccan magic is a one party system. Only one party is required to accept and take part in the ritual.
>>40618087 (OP)
I assume you mean Wiccan. Fairly strong. Like in the case of simple spells for money and one night stand sex? 4/5? For love, the simple ones do work.
>>40618168
Pictures are strong. Willful signatures on contracts? Iron clad. Even if it’s just a photocopy. We say to use pictures because it helps focus your intentions. But like if you have a contract they signed willfully in their handwriting? It’s almost as good as hair. It’s better than clothing. So you should expect to see results in about a week. Some people say as soon as 24 hours. Hogwash. That’s not magic. That’s happen stance. Real magic will work regardless of everything.
>muh free will
There’s no such thing as free will. Magic and manifestation go hand in hand. I assume it’s a love spell. That’s the energy I’m feeling. Animals tend to react funny to magic. That’s why most witches get cats. Dogs are annoying. The wind is a good sign. That’s the energy from the spell going out into the world to do what it was intended to do. If you’ve cast in the past and never saw signs that it worked, the spell withered. This is a good omen. The energy went out. It’s like flipping on a light switch. You used magic like a light switch. Magic is rarely the spell work. It’s your intentions before you cast it.
>>40618203
Yeah it’s definitely going to have an effect. What that effect will be? Time will tell. Some pointers while you wait:
Don’t get angry
Don’t contact them
Go on as if nothing ever happened.
You’ll be reminded of it’s happening every 24 hours by the spirit that binds us all.
1-2 weeks. You don’t need to keep casting it. This isn’t prayer. The spells effects will last for months. Usually 2-3 months. This doesn’t mean they’ll stop loving you. Text limit

>>40618251
Love is magic retard. Op casting a spell to make her intentions known isn’t rape. Most of the time, it works without a hitch. Are you scared of turning on the light when you get up to use the bathroom at 2am? No? Such is magic.

>>40618277
So anyway continued
Red magic (which is what I’m feeling from OP) won’t have any negative effects. I do want to warn against black magic. Black magic works in the same way you can drive home drunk. Will you get caught? Will you kill someone? Probably not. But it’s hard to control. Demon magic takes its toll. Never use black magic, even for love.

Red Magic comes with a price though. So like whatever you cast on your target will also be cast on you. I know it sounds silly. But what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If it’s love you seek, it’s love you shall have. But that’s it, you cast it. Work out. Go to the gym. Hang out with friends while you can. Once the spell takes hold, I can definitely feel the ripples, it’ll be like falling in love like back when you were a teenager. For the both of you. Like even if you’re an adult past second puberty. It’ll be this honeymoon phase. It won’t start until the universe brings you together though. Whatever will this person had, will be replaced by the spell for about 2 months. After which time, the relationship should be well underway.

Don’t be a retard. Don’t tell them you cast the spell. This can backfire. If they ask, and they will, play it off
>I just got the magic in me, like the song, everything I touch just turns into gold! Like your beautiful smile!
Don’t come out and say anything. Remember wishing on a candle or a star and they say NOT to tell your wish? This is similar. Except there’s consequences.

Oh boy I can already feel the spell doing its work. Anon, you’re a natural born witch. Yeah 1-2 weeks you should see something.

>>40618293

and if you have to cast a spell to know what somebody's thinking, chances are you arent gonna interact with that person in a healthy or non-parasocial way. he didnt clarify it was just divination, he said *a spell,* which implies *love magic,* which implies *trying to bring back someone who left him.*

cut the disney bullshit your paster taught you, relationships are more understandable than that when you dont dismiss your actions "as just your nature"

>>40618358
This. It’s all energy. And I can sense it. It’s definitely going to have an effect. Ladies and gents I do believe we’re witnessing a natural born witch discovering magic for the first time. And boy what a spell to start with. You can really feel it.

I hate christians. I love Jesus. They’d be scared of Christ if they ever met him. They’d crucify him again if he ever showed up. Putting mud in someone’s eyes to heal them is magic. They call it miracles but it’s the same energy.

Divination is bullshit anyway. It doesn’t offer any tools to get you what you’re after. It just tells you what the current heading you’re taking will take you into. Magic is like driving the car.

Congrats OP. Stick with Magic. You have a talent for it.

And op, I do want to leave you with a final piece of advice. Whoever you’re after? Treat them kindly. Red magic can be a bullish bitch that will hold you down and fuck your up the ass dry and leave you bleeding from the anus. Lets say they treated you badly in the past (you forgave them) it doesn’t matter to red gods. They will not hesitate to fuck you up. Get bored in 6 months? Tough shit. You’re stuck with your decision. Imma tell you I’ve seen women cast spells like this and they find a hotter man, that hotter man beats them to within an inch of their lives. If you’re a man? A police officer will side with her, you’ll end up in a jail cell with a billy club shoved up your ass after receiving the beating of a lifetime. Red gods treat the castee as if they’re as innocent as a newborn baby. No matter the history you have with this person. Because it replaces their will kinda sorta. It uproots their lives. If they’re in a relationship or married? That relationship ends. Basically the spell you cast? It’s like a wedding promise. I can feel it. As time goes on, I can feel the ripples. If you’re involved with someone? Kiss them goodbye. They’ll probably break up with you in a few days out of the blue. I can sense that you’re in a committed relationship. The karma won’t bite you in the ass if you stick with the person you cast the spell on. I feel it’s a different person. Someone you truly love. That being said, no matter the arguments, you absolutely can NOT be the one to break up with them. This should be a harmonious relationship. Imma do a card pull for you OP. Give me 5 minutes.

Death
The star
Justice

Oh man goosebumps. You were reborn tonight. You let all that anger go. The death card signifies what I suspected. The relationship you’re in, is as good as over. Letting go of the past before casting the spell, was the right decision. It highlighted the spell. The gods were definitely paying close attention to you op.

The Star suggests that the energy surrounding the spell has been infused with optimism and good intentions. It sparked the energy. It was like putting a match to a dry kindling. It went up in flames. Like woosh. The positive vibrations went out into the universe very directly to the castee.

Justice indicates that the energies put forth in the spell will ultimately lead to an outcome that is equitable and fair. This card suggests that the love you seek will not come from a place of manipulation or imbalance but instead will forge connections grounded in honesty and reciprocity. The presence of Justice implies that the results of the love spell will come to fruition in a manner that aligns with karmic law and universal balance. What you put out tonight will come back to you in kind. They will be devoutly in love with you. While the love spell has initiated a positive shift, the future will depend on your readiness to embrace love with truth and balance.

And 2 wild cards fell out during a shuffle. The hanged man and the tower. Life as you know it is about to change forever. Anything you have going on? It’s history. It’s over. It’s done. You slammed one door shut and opened another.

I’m going to do another card pull. Because I sense an innocent person with you OP.

>>40618520
Oh wow thank you. I’m just feeling a bit overwhelmed. Like I can feel the effects of what I did. Yes I’m with someone but I haven’t loved them in a long time.

>>40618520
The tower
The high priestess reversed
The moon

Yeah that relationship is done. There’s no real need to explain it in detail. Just expect a huge fight. With your current significant other. Like very soon.

And as I was putting the cards away, the chariot popped out.
The Chariot is all about determination and strength. It asks you to tap into your inner power to move forward on your journey in life with speed. The Chariot has the energy of victory and willpower and reminds you that you have what it takes to achieve your goals in life. There will be challenges with the decision you have made. However, you have the strength to overcome them and see this through. In the end, it will be worth it!

Just let go of the old and expect the new to take place.

>>40618457
Yeah holy shit how can you sense these things? Anyway I can feel this strange energy. It’s like goosebumps. Not the warm kind. Like electric.

>>40618574
I’ve been at this a long time baby witch. Yeah no shit, you cast a red magic love spell with someone’s signature. As a first spell. So like normally we tell people to do money spells and sex spells for first spells because they’re so incredibly potent. You could have changed the world with the power you put out. It’s like having a first orgasm or a first high. It was like a supernova. And wave after wave it will hit its intended target. It was like shooting a fly with a canon. What’s done is done. You can’t change it back. Even if you wanted to. Because it will affect you as well. You won’t really be in control of yourself. You’ll say things that you don’t mean to say. It’s not demonic possession. It’s magic. You might even start the argument with your current bf/gf. You’ll just get angry at them for no apparent reason. You will not be able to stop what you set in motion.

I’m hearing a date. July 8th at 10:30 am. You’re going to run into your target. At first they will seem normal, but they’ll just run up to you and hug you tightly. They’ll kiss you passionately. It won’t matter who’s in the room. It’s going to be very emotional. Enjoy it.

>>40618613
I screenshotted this and if what you say comes to pass, I’ll make a thread about it then.

>>40618631
That’s all well and good. I’m warning you now though. You used red magic. You fucked around with a 440 volt line. And you did it with precision and intent right? Here’s the thing. It absolutely cannot be undone. This isn’t like the movies. It doesn’t wear off after midnight. You did it during a waxing crescent moon. You’ll see results on the 8th and by the 10th you’ll be so far up this persons ass it’ll make everyone sick. This was a pivotal moment for you. One day you’ll look back and either wish you could go back in time and change it, or it’ll be the best decision you ever made. Hard to tell. That’s not really clear right now. What is clear is that this person may have already loved you. What you did, was put that to the max. You took it from a 2 to OVER 9000! I don’t really see this ending though that’s the problem. You’re in it for the long haul. Around september when the spell finally begins to wear off, it’s going to have a secondary effect. You’ll be sticky. Don’t drink alcohol. Don’t do pain pills. Don’t do anything that would normally create dependence. If you’re on like say caffeine or smoke cigarettes you’ll be fine. But don’t start consuming cigarettes or caffeine if you’re not already addicted. Red magic creates addiction issues in the caster. These spells generally last lifetimes. I say the effects of the spell wears off. They may not wear off ever. You’ll both be old and cranky but you’ll be stuck together like glue. Why? Red magic is sticky. It bonds souls together. It also can make you addicted to substances. Even if you’ve never been prone to it before.

>>40618631
Like you were granted this power by a god. Or God himself to cast it. It was purely divine. It’s always exciting when that happens. Because it’s really fucking rare.

To all the faggots citing “muh free will” who the fuck do you think you got your will from to begin with?

Using divine magic like this isn’t to be taken lightly. So if you fuck this up, expect pain like you’ve never experienced. You think breakups hurt? Ever have a kidney stone? It’ll be that but like times 1000.

Stick with this person through thick and thin? Karma will reward you. People will look on with envy.
>how did that ugly piece of shit land that 9/10?!?

>>40618087 (OP)
>How effective are magick spells?
depends on how powerful the caster
a mage with no internal power is entirely impotent

>>40618192
Explain voodoo and hexes

Ignorant dumb question, I'm quitting nitazenes(fentantyl) and i haven't slept in 4 days madness is setting in is there anything I can do

>>40618087 (OP)
I think the magic is not in the spell itself but inside of you, and the spell is just something to help you focus or something. But I never got to make anything happen, ever, so I may be wrong.

>>40618087 (OP)
depends

>>40618087 (OP)
Clearly not effective enough bro...
I should be shooting magick missiles by now... instead all I got is premature ejaculation... oof

You have to align your wants with what the universe wants. I’ll give you some examples of magic and whats not.
Example 1: this is magic
You want to get back with your ex who is the mother of your children to make the family whole. You have to be awesome and fight like hell for it, but it’ll be.
Example 2: this isn’t magic
You will someone into your life and marry them and hold onto them despite your actual soul mate crying alone somewhere.

And that’s the difference.

>>40618457
wdym red gods.

They're pretty strong bro, I used a spell as a child to make sure I'd end up a complete fucking loser as an adult, and it worked

>>40625714
Woah...
You must be the strongest wizard in all of history... wow
My hats off to you sir, you are a winner in my eyes. Here, please have a free Internet cookie, it's on the house!

>>40625705
Nta but picrel.

depends on what you imagine a spell to be
if you are gifted as an esper you can perceive things out of sight, paired with astrology you can see into the future. it can also give you the ability to change how others perceive you and become essentially invisible where people dont notice you, find buried treasure, or give you the ability to relay thoughts to others via telepathy.
you can also curse others by using telepathy to send them bad thoughts and with a sufficiently strong will you can drive them insane but you cannot transmit material things through the immaterial plane (magic)

>>40627116
is this why i can curse with a word, manipulate fate, but i cant work with transmutation?

>>40627124
uh yeah. alchemy as a science was fundamentally incorrect, we understand it better now through chemistry. there cannot be a comingling between the material and the immaterial. as above, so below is true but it requires a devine will to reorder the material by reordering the immaterial. as a human magic user you need to tap into the flow of the immaterial world and guide it, not move a river with a bucket. this is why zen practices and asceticism produce the strongest mystical forms.

>>40627168
so with practice i should be able to wield the discipline?

>>40627183
not necessarily. you need to be born with a latent inclination towards esp. but if you're pursuing magic sincerely thats 90% of the time because you can already partially sense the currents

>>40627198
well, certain things i can just do, others need rite and ritual. my current field of study is trying to only use transmutation with just my will
ig my question is, if im able to ignore the proper way with some systems, can i apply that to others

>>40627209
I'm not sure. thats out of my field of expertise. From my experience as a diviner Taoist alchemy has given me the most gains because it translates the same concepts over freely.
I had an accident doing magic so now i stick to the principles whenever possible, straying too far just opens up the gate for you to go insane.

I remember as a kid they took me into this room where they tested me for a week. I had to move this dude on a screen like a video game. There were 3 of these “games” one with a joystick that would increase latency. One with only buttons, and one without any controls. I had to move the little guy on the screen but there were no controls. I was able to love him but only after they got up to move me to a different section. When the dude moved,
>do that again
And I did it. They sent me to this special school for purple children or something I can’t remember. We were supposed to change the world. We would sit in a circle and we could understand each other. And we kinda did as a group. Then one day they sent all of us home and we never went back.

>>40627235
>straying too far just opens up the gate for you to go insane.
bit too late for me im afraid, but thanks for the answers, will continue on in my research just the same

>>40627260
if you do achieve transmutation, please post it

>>40627248
thankfully i was able to hide myself as i am when i was taken to the military doctors, but my mom never remembered taking me to the base.

>>40627263
will do

>>40627248
Are you still able to make things move only with your will?
(I guess it was not a government project because you were not sexually abused.)

>>40627600
It’s not abuse if they enjoy it.

>>40627750
frfr

>>40618087 (OP)
Majgick*

>>40618087 (OP)
Ill give you a magic spell allright, super effective fr