Are psychedelic drugs a pathway to spiritual growth?

It depends.

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>>40625138 (OP)
DMT comes in a vape now?

>>40625179
Yes they aren't that strong compared to smoking changa or vaping the powder in a bulb but very convenient to use and has no smell. You have to hit at least 6 blinkers to breakthrough

>>40625138 (OP)
>dmt vape cart
i remember my first trip, kek good luck noob but dmt carts are horrible. if someone wanted to vape dmt they should go with the old school vapes that burn material around a coil

>>40625234
Ive had a lot of experiences with DMT and the vape is definitely the weakest one so far but the ease of use makes it nice. I still prefer changa you only need 2-3 strong hits to get to the other side

>>40625179
theyve been available for 20 years if you know the right people. they wont get you to the spirit realm. only way to blast off with a vape is an old school burner with a coil

>>40625241
You can get there with the vape but you need at least 6 blinkers which means holding your breath for over a minute. With another psych like acid it becomes a lot easier

>>40625239
>changa
yeah thats cool. I just prefer to take one hit and be sure im gone. i dont like the almost blast off feeling. i find dmt actually unpleasant unless i do enough to get hugged by god. For me its not worth doing unless i get there

>>40625138 (OP)
No.

People like you are the reason the UK is shithole nowadays.

>>40625247
When you reach full ego death theres no fear anymore and thats the most euphoric aspect of it. I actually take a few drinks beforehand so im more reckless with my hits. MDMA makes it very enjoyable aswell

>>40625250
I'm south african

>>40625246
>maybe if you hold your breath and hit it 6 times until it blinks
shut the fuck up faggot
you clearly dont even know where dmt takes you
keep hitting your vape and giving bad advice
im glad you guys enjoying buying vapes (anyone who has worked in these industries can tell you the carts have the worst quality too)
anyone who actually wants to blast off and have a nice trip, not while youre hyperventilating, just buy DMT from a reputable source, even the dark web, then smoke it in a glass oil burner with an extremely hot torch
you'll only need one hit and holding it isnt necessary if you put enough in the pipe
the two experiences are totally different

>>40625246
>With another psych like acid it becomes a lot easier
This is the dumbest thing ive read today
>smokes dmt vape instead of doing it the right way
>but if you add acid youll trip
no shit, god speed to you but im just looking for something from my dmt trips.

There's really no right answer because it's a subjective/unique experience. But you should do research into what the drugs actually are before doing them, like trying to understand the history/pharmacology of LSD for example. Somebody talking about drugs in a spiritual way should never be trusted, it's ultimately just you in the end. The harm of people getting one-shot by psychedelics is real and will happen if you're not standing on solid ground. You might find outside in an eternal loop of thinking "you figured it out" or "I just need a bit more to figure it out", and it takes a lot of time for the mind to return to equilibrium after that.

>>40625234
DMT carts are always going to be weak and prevent blasting off. They wont produce vapes that will be strong enough. Imagine if they did, that shit would have kids at EDC falling out left and right

>>40625262
It's my first time buying a vape dude and I've smoked primarily changa for at least 3 years. Don't know why it triggers you so much. You don't always have to use DMT to breakthrough

> just buy DMT from a reputable source, even the dark web, then smoke it in a glass oil burner with an extremely hot torch
I recommend you buy changa and try it because it will give you similar potency and the MAOI containing herbs its baked into significantly increases the duration and intensity of the effect. I might try smoking from an oil burner

>>40625274
I only bought it out of curiosity to see what it was like so of course I'm gonna use the most out of it. I just don't think it's bad and I can imagine its a good introductory to people who've never had DMT. It doesn't change the fact that there's 500mg in the cart and that will be the same as however many mg you put in a burner, its just that far less is vaporized at a time with the cart.

>This is the dumbest thing ive read today
Why? Have you tried it? It completely changes the trip especially with MDMA and acid it becomes a shit ton more colourful and euphoric. DMT isn't some sacred medicine that needs to be taken by itself thats reddit bullshit

>>40625188

Are those available in weed dispensaries?
We only get weed vapes in my town. Have you ever meet Entities?

>>40625291
I buy them online

> Have you ever meet Entities
A lot and its a bit too much to count. My most notable ones is my first time trying Ayahuasca I saw a serpent/millipede looking thing with a face that looked like Shiva or one of those buddhist gods. Other time on DMT I remember seeing huge rainbow apes made out of strings that had massive cocks and like nigger lips. On a DMT breakthrough everything turned into a huge room with eyes everywhere and triangles with faces, saw myself flying through a tunnel and at the end these two huge shadow figures stopped me. Lot more I can think of but I've never been able to speak to them or communicate at least with words, it's more like a physic understanding

>>40625290
Gatekeeping because they perceive the drug to be much more than it actually is, which is the same trap that people who get destroyed by something like ayahuasca find themselves in.

>>40625291
If you're in Canada they are very easy to find

>>40625138 (OP)
There is a parallel debate about natty vs juice in gymbro circles that also applies here.

Speaking about vape, what about the vaporesso armour g? Is it good enouth for thc vape?

>>40625419
That's a nicotine vape, you might be able to heat up THC oil but it wouldn't be good.

>>40625433
It can go up to 80 w, wyth glycérol thc it can vaporize the solution.

>>40625419
get a 510 thread for thc

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=yILr8KdTPsU

100% evil. Literally a world-devouring parasite.

>And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

>So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

>>40625463
If that's your only option then, but it sounds harsh. There are better options that don't require a workaround, like a 510 thread or any dab rig. I don't know how distillate into PG/VG would work, I always assumed it was done into distillate/oil for a reason.

>>40625138 (OP)
anon i am a noobie at this.
what would you recommend for my first time trying psychodelics for spiritual growth or understanding?
And what shouldn't I try to do on my first time?

>>40627283
Get married first

>>40627283
>what would you recommend for my first time trying psychodelics for spiritual growth or understanding?
drugs do not give you spiritual growth or understanding, they give you hallucinations.
>And what shouldn't I try to do on my first time?
take drugs

You may gain some insights, but you'll forget 90% once you get sober.
Even if something sticks, you still need to integrate it in your daily actions. You can't get virtue and wisdom by taking drugs.

>wow we are like one dude everythings is one
Can you live by the golden rule then?

>>40625138 (OP)
You can call using methods like breathing, sleep deprivation, drugs, or asceticism as a way to glimpse the spiritual in this world. But I must warn you, these methods will only allow you to see how blinded we are to reality. They will produce religious experiences, but they cannot produce religious lives. Eventually, after a while, you will come to see how empty the methods you use are, but they are a step in the right direction.

>>40627316
>You can't get virtue [...] taking drugs
depends on what YOU consider virtuous. Being an apathetic Nigger unaware of his environment might be a virtue depending on where you are stuck - being able to not just ignore or cope, but live and thrive in filth can be considered virtuous

Learn to meditate you fucking junkies.

>NOOOO I CAN'T JUST SIT DOWN AND ANALYZE MY THOUGHTS TO GET INSIGHT AND EMPATHY I NEED TO BLAST MY RISK/REWARD DRIVES INTO THE STRATOSPHERE UNTIL I HALLUCINATE FRACTALS

can these things be purchased on amazon?

>>40625138 (OP)
To mental illness
Usually

>>40625138 (OP)
I don’t know about DMT or acid, but I can tell you withdrawals from opiates is absolutely a spiritual experience. You will experience a different world of perception and profound raising of intuition. However I don’t recommend it because it’s probable to ruin your life, give you mental illness, and trap you in the addiction cycle.

>>40627353
>IS THAT BLACKNESS I SEE?
>OH MY I'M HAVING A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE!

>>40627534
I shot up a bunch of fentanyl/heroin the day before yesterday, and the next evening i had a lucid/hypnagogic/sleep paralysis state thats lasted hours. Not what your talking about but Opiates are definitely connected to the dream state and death.

>>40627630
Taoist and Chinese metaphysical belief was that opium would untether the soul. The trance like state caused by opium is likened to bardo, the intermediate state between death and rebirth in Buddhist belief or to the yin world, realm of the dead, in Taoism. In Confucianism, opium addiction was seen as causing spiritual death and severing your spiritual lineage. You would lose your place in the cycle of life and death because you aren’t properly connected to either realm.

Opiate’s like fentanyl and heroin give otherwise unobtainable states of euphoria and the withdrawal is unnatural suffering. Both during the ups and downs your moral character is tested to extremes and almost everyone is broken by it. If you somehow manage to sober up and maintain it, the experience between both the state of euphoria and suffering will transform you. The suffering especially will humble you for a time. 100% it causes spiritual transformation. Also most likely to ruin your life and break you if not kill you.

>>40627630
There’s definitely something to it and paranormal experience. Remote viewing, out of body experiences, and fucking crazy dreams. All my craziest paranormal experiences with ghosts happened during this time

>>40627342
Bingo.

I don't know, I did LSD a few times and last time I did it I got kinda fucked up and I don't wanna try it anymore. I felt like I was reborn during my trip, and not in a good way, I literally felt like a baby being born; I crawled out of the warm and safe womb (the hot tub), out into the open world, naked, cold and scared, but unlike a newborn baby, I did not have a motherly figure to hold me a comfort me. Everything was terrifying and I was so fucking cold, and I felt completely alone despite being surrounded by my friends, they were there yet I could not "feel" them. It was creepy, almost like having a creepy lucid dream you can't wake up from. It passed after a while and I spend the rest of the night anxious as fuck trying to figure out what I was

>>40625138 (OP)
They can be with integration

>>40628008
On my last trip I could see infinitely into the cosmic divine in all directions. I lost all my existential questions and there wasn't anything I didn't know. It felt amazing.

All I can get is alcohol at the moment. I'm an alcoholic. What psychs can get me off the grog? I'm numb after a bunch of stuff.

>>40629911
Ibogaine

No, they're just for fun

>>40629922
You really trust a random Anon to know the dangers of ibogaine and to go about it safely?

>>40629948
I've heard that shit is awful and for opioid dependence, can kill you. I've done LSD before, 300ug by myself during covid after a loved one died so I've had some experiences. But I wonder if mushrooms are a better way to go?

>>40629969
I also have a heart murmur, so no.

>>40629948
Pussy ass reddit nigga. Literal women have done it.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wPRNFEzwoDw

>>40629969
Any psychedelic will disconnect you from your body so that you won't be able to feel cravings as strongly. You would have to take them off cooldown so that you don't reconnect too long.

>>40627342
this

>>40625138 (OP)
For what my opinion is worth, Psychs are only useful the first time they help you peak. Even then, the usefulness is mainly in the expansion of your concept of what is possible, a.k.a. cultural deprogramming. Repeated uses are more likely to get you glommed onto by parasitic entities/demons. Also, don't just believe everything you see/experience/remember/are told when on psychedelics. There WILL BE entities looking for a chance to trick you into a loosh production loop. That shit can go on for many years before you find your way back to yourself.
Source: my own near-40-year relationship with psychedelics.

>>40625138 (OP)
Overdose and die. We need less in the likes of you.

>>40625138 (OP)
>Are psychedelic drugs a pathway to spiritual growth?
no
a better analogy is this
you're 3 years old and live in an oldass house that is so old it has keyholes in the doors
you peek through the door of your parents bedroom and see them fucking
you, being completely naive, think to your 3 year old self,
>wow, bouncing on the bed looks like fun
this is the level of understanding that psychedelics will give you regarding what you see

i'm someone who is extremely resistant to LSD and shrooms (as in tried dozens of times, up to 1000ug of lsd the last time i did it) and nothing ever happened. i can't lie and say i'm not bitter about it, i would like he shortcut to insight that other people get despite seeing the faults. other drugs like the 2cs and nbomes work on me but they weren't really spiritual mostly just fun (well nbome was scary but 2cb and 2ci were just fun and pleasant)
anyway my point is i don't think it's because i'm spiritually superior i'm just an abnormality.

>>40631355
Do you feel that way because of lack of hallucinations or "meaningful" thought processes during the trip? Like when you say nothing ever happened, you mean absolutely nothing?

>>40631355
You're probably autistic

>Studies show autistic people have a naturally high tolerance to psychedelics

>>40631367
>you mean absolutely nothing?
yes, i mean it is like i never ingested anything.

>>40631381
Do you recall the dosage and strain of the mushrooms?

>>40631369
i mean i'm definitely autistic to some degree, but so are the people i've taken these drugs with who have succesfully tripped. plus other drugs, like the ones i mentioned amongst others make me feel different. my working theory is that it has something to do with tryptamine based drugs.

>>40631355
Take syrian rue with it and keep dosing it so that it stops it from clearing from your body. It will increase the potency by a lot. Otherwise try other psychs like DMT, ayahuasca, ketamine, peyote, buffo ect.

>>40631392
nah, the last time i tried mushrooms was about 8 years ago. my friend would grow them himself. i only tried shrooms about 5 times. lsd i tried at least 20 times, from enough sources and with enough different people to know it wasn't just bunk tabs i took the first 5 times kek

>>40631404
thanks for the tip, i have some syrian rue and sometimes i take it for lucid dreaming. i really want to know if there's other people out there like me? aside from high-level yogis proving a point like in the first post lol. ketamine works on me btw, i just hated it. i have to be honest i'm no longer really interested in drugs these days, i am scared of trying lsd again just in case it works and i take more than 1000ug. i developed a fear of psychs despite never tripping off lsd or shrooms. weed and other spiritual exercises are my current copes. i'll probably do 2cb again eventually since it was always really fun (still have some tabs just not touched them in about 5 years) and i'd like to try peyote since i've read it's extremely similar to 2cb

>>40631405
I'm autistic and my psilocybin doses (~3-4g Enigma) were completely different from the people around me. Zero changes in visual perception and a very grounded experience, wouldn't describe it as nothing but very muted. All LSD doses I've had have been duds, but I was shipping them 3,000km+ in +20C - pretty sure it was mostly heat damage. I also can't smoke more than 0.5g of marijuana, it just causes anxiety past that point. I always wondered why my experience was different but the autism would be a fitting explanation.

>>40631462
damn, thanks for that insight it's nice to know i'm not alone (most people just think i'm lying). i mean i really didn't think i was that autistic - i've previously worked in social services for autistic people so i've seen and understand what real autism is. i try not to lean into this idea of me being autistic too much, especially nowawadays when everyone say they are autistic lol. i'm also sensitive to weed and don't need very much to get where i want to be (and pushing it too far is really easy) and i'm completely baffled by how much other people smoke.

>>40631502
The marijuana difference was where it was really noticeable. I live in rural Nova Scotia where there's an almost cultural obsession with marijuana and cubensis. The older people could smoke consecutive gram joints no problem but would never dose more than 1g of something like Golden Teacher (and if they did they would be fucking insane). They could always handle the THC but never the psilocybin.

Im jealous.. i wish i had a spiritual experience from DMT or LSD or Psilocybin.. or at least Salvia Devinarium leaves.. The most close i can get it's drinking tea with sage..