The world constantly tries to convince us that life is suffering and that everything is fucked but I've transcended that bullshit.

>>40631317 (OP)
The world constantly tries to convince us that life is beautiful and that everything is ok but I've transcended that bullshit.

>>40631317 (OP)
>>40631329
the world is

>>40631317 (OP)
>>40631329
It's 50/50 suffering and joy. Pizza exists, yet so does arthritis which we will all get when we get old.

>>40631352
There is far more suffering than joy. Its easy to make someone suffer 24/7 but near impossible to make them happy 24/7

>>40631363
You can do either with electrodes
https://johnclilly.com/mappingx.html

>>40631409
> It was found that in male monkeys there were separate systems for erection, for ejaculation, and for orgasm. With an electrode in the separate orgasm system, the monkey would stimulate this region and go through a total orgasm without erection and without ejaculation. Given the apparatus by which he could stimulate himself once every three minutes for twenty-four hours a day, the monkey stimullated the site and had orgasms every three minutes for sixteen hours and then slept eight hours and started again the next day.
This sounds like an addiction, druggies already do similar shit like this and they arent happy. Id be very surprised if the pleasure stimulus wasnt getting weaker every single day as their brain desensitizes to it

>>40631363
suffering is your body mind and spirit screaming at (you) to stop harming yourself. more over why do you juxtapose suffering and joy when suffering is the adversary of health, not joy

>>40631317 (OP)
based

>>40631459
A lethal morphine injection says otherwise. You feel like you are in heaven as your bodies health crashes to the ground
What is the adversity of joy if not suffering?

>>40631491
What is an ocean but a multitude of drops?

>>40631317 (OP)
Oh yeah? So someone can just kill your whole family and it wont bother you?

>>40631317 (OP)
Life is suffering

>>40631563
I wasn't saying that suffering doesn't exist or that I'm immune to it or whatever. How the fuck did you read that into my post?

>>40631491
>A lethal morphine injection says otherwise.
are you a fool? dead people say nothing
have you taken heroin? the high is brief, the coming down is long
mundanity juxtaposes joy

>>40631556
one container

>>40631608
Yeah, okay Buddha. If "life is sufferin, mannnnn" then shouldn't all food taste like shit? Shouldn't breathing be painful?

>>40631622
The thing about a lethal morphine injection is that you die precisely because your body cant come down from it in time but all that is besides the point now

It is far easier to make someone bored 24/7 than it is to make them joyful 24/7. Just put them in a white room. It doesnt matter what specific negative experiences you want to use, negative experiences massively outclasses positive experiences in this world

I'll just leave this here.

>>40631708
whos ass are you pulling your shit from? morphine kills you but shutting down the automatic nerve impulse to inflate the lungs well you are sedated.
as to your white room hypothetical, watch less tv, you dont live this way, you dont know anyone who dose.
>negative experiences massively outclasses positive experiences in this world
its not actually the world, in the last few generations people have surrendered discovery to the state, we follow a small top down imposed life style that is intended for mans bests interests.
joy is kinda neblous btw, like cumming feels joyous, but its not as much so as achieving catharsis to ones frustrations. i would not want to spend 24 7 in organism any more then i would in frustration or a white room. you seem fixated on hypothetical extremes.

>>40631736
not intended for mans best interests*

>>40631317 (OP)
Until something really bad happens and you are forced to face reality. Enjoy it while it lasts.

>>40631755
Really bad things have already happened to me. It darkened my worldview until I snapped out of it. You've just got to accept the movements of life and not enter the victim mode like everybody else does. 99.9999% of our experiences are fine anyway; its just our brains latch onto the shitty ones due to our survival instincts,

>>40631736
Hypothetical extremes are very useful in understanding the world. You dont test the robustness of a belief by putting it in ideal conditions, any belief could survive that. Bad beliefs are only torn apart in the extremes

Diseases, hunger, being eaten alive slowly by a bear are plentifully found in nature, very few positive experiences can rival those negative experiences. Human society is not the end all and be all of suffering believe it or not

>>40631642
Life is suffering means living in a world where everyone and everything is controlled by a retarded tranny God who forces me to live and identify as "a peasant" and who thinks any food that tastes even the slightest bit good is "rich people food" and that "peasants" should be abused, harassed, terrorize, threatened, mutilated, killed, assaulted, etc if I eat it. The world is inherently bad because God is bad. The proof that the world is bad is that the default condition of life is bad (starvation, exposure to elements/predators, boredom, loneliness, etc) and the things that have to be done (physically/mentally harmful labor, submission to domination/abuse/sadism, etc) to cancel out the default negative condition of life and achieve homeostasis are themselves inherently bad/negative things, such that it's impossible for most people to even achieve a neutral or stable condition of life, instead having to choose between two bad conditions. Meanwhile anything even remotely good is violently gatekept, a consistently "good" condition of life practically only exists in the realm of fantasy/imagination, and even the THOUGHT or IDEA of good conditions of life are violently gatekept, even thinking about having desirable things will cause me to be abused because the inherent nature of this world is bad, the default condition of life is bad, good things are violently gatekept, it's nearly impossible to even achieve a neutral or stable condition of life and good conditions of life only exist in fantasy.

>>40631821
>Human society is not the end all and be all of suffering believe it or not
what dose this even mean in the context of our conversation? also human suffering is not the end of be all of human society - infact most humans socialize to alleviate suffering~!
>very few positive experiences can rival those negative experiences
are you comparing your real to your real here or your real to your hypotheticals? very few real experiences will be the heights of pits of potential experience.
in no capacity did you define what joy is to you, whats suffering to you - no hypotheticals (like your not starving to death or feeding a bear right this moment, you sick?)

>>40631847
boredom and lonelyness are on you, and your not dyeing of exposure starvation or predator presently doom coom spammer

>>40631642

He said desire is the cause of suffering

>>40631850
>what dose this even mean in the context of our conversation?
Im having doubts on what the context of the conversation even is. I dont know how to relate your post industrial rant or my personal joy/suffering to the core point of whether the world has more positive experiences or negative experiences
You have a very chaotic mind

>>40631897
what exactly do you mean by my post industrial rant? do you every employ context or are you actually content with nebulous hypotheticals?

>>40631897
>You have a very chaotic mind
could you provide an example?

>>40631850
Im in a very privileged position. I live in a first world country so i dont have to worry about going hungry or thirsty. I have shelter that keeps me safe from the elements. Im in good health, no diseases that affect my quality life. My relationship with my family is a bit awkward but its nothing too serious

If i was the only person in the world, i would agree that there may be more positive experience than negative experiences. The problem is that im not the only person in the world, most humans live in slums, many are hungry and have serious health problems from the lack of medical care or hygiene. Most animals live in fear of being eaten/going hungry, very few are blessed enough to die from old age. I dont even want to get into the animals that humans specifically farm in massive factories

I try to imagine what positive experiences they could all have to make up for the negative experiences they endure. Its like im looking at despair with sprinkles of chocolate

>>40631960
>>40631966
Fret not, i crafted something up to try to tie everything together. The chaotic mind thing is just the vibes i got from you, everyone gives off their own vibes, i let them know if that vibe is particularly strong

>>40631317 (OP)
me when i manage to not tilt my brains out in a competitive video game

>>40632015
well, at least now your pointing towards human societal structures and not the world as a cause of hypothetical suffering from your 24/7 cozy white palace

>>40632056
Most animals arent human, i didnt think i had to point that out.
>Most animals live in fear of being eaten/going hungry, very few are blessed enough to die from old age
This part alone accounts for atleast 90% of the negative experiences in the world, it existed well before humans and will exist well after humans.

>>40632083
animals live in the moment not your hypothetical life time fear
>Most animals arent human, i didnt think i had to point that out.
i would actually really like it if you could start pointing some real things out, so far all youve done is imagine suffering porn

Life is suffering until you transcend it. Then suffering leaves you alone because it acknowledges you as master.

As Buddha says there is an end to suffering. Not that there is just a tolerance for suffering but an actual end and it can be achieved in this life no need for hopeful afterlife’s

>>40632156
Sorry, its a bad habit of mine to assume that most people i talk to know basic context about the world they live in

Have you ever approached an animal? Nearly all of them run away because you are an unknown which is a source of fear for them. To an animal with almost no understanding of the world they live in, how often do you think they encounter the unknown? They are surrounded by threats, thats the moments they tend to live in

>>40632191
you should never assume anything - youve assumed the summation of life expierence of all things on earth - your ego is as astounding as it is ignorant.
have you ever tamed an animal? not every approach leads to a fear response - this is you assuming again. more over the vast majority of animals lives are not you approaching them again and even if it were you would not remain unknown. as to your imagined predation if predators were so coming they the lives of pretty were only fear there would be no pray left.
tldr youve left your tv shape your world view.

>>40632191
and i want really concice answer to this one because you clearly dont even know that much about animals, what dose a standard hunted animal do after it escapes a predator? (here a hint, its not spending the rest of its life fighting or fleeing - the response to fear)

>>40632252
i dont really care to wait any longer on your nebulous ass pull of an answer.
>what dose a standard hunted animal do after it escapes a predator?
in pretty much everything with blood itll shivers for 3 - 5 mins then reverts to its prefear behavior.

>>40632230
>>40632230
You and i both know this argument isnt going to end so my interest has been directed towards two things

First, what counts as a real experience to you? I feel like everything i say gets accused of being an imaginary experience unless ive personally live through it.
For me, imaginary hypotheticals are things that dont exist yet or will never exist (ie uploading a persons mind and torturing them through software) while real hypotheticals are things that do exist or can happen in the very near future (like animals being eaten alive)

> as to your imagined predation if predators were so coming they the lives of pretty were only fear there would be no pray left.
Second, this has been bugging me for a while now but why is your sentence structure so all over the place? I dont get the impression that you are bad with english, its almost like you are completely out of focus when your fingers type. Nothing against it no matter what your answer is

>>40631329
It's a dance between Joy and Suffering.

>>40632309
i didnt prof read cause im playing warframe monitor 1.
>as to your imagined predation - if predators were so common the lives of prey were only fear there would be no prey left.
>while real hypotheticals are things that do exist or can happen in the very near future (like animals being eaten alive)
did you proof read this? if its real its not hypothetical, predators exsist, its not a hypothetical that prey will be eaten, it would only be hypothetical if you attempted to guess what prey would be eaten when or how said prey feels about their lives - and you dont need to guess the feels, you can just look at the lives of animals in nature, the majority is not fighting or fleeing, for most prey, the majority is grazing.

lets use an example, a deer and a wolf, in your world view you believe the deer spends 90% of its life in fear of wolves, i dont, because you can observe that a deer dose not spend the majority of its existence fighting or fleeing wolves, its quite minor, and when they do encounter wolves the majority of dear run the fuck away, shake for afew moments, and return to grazing.
what lead you to believe the dear lives 90% in fear?

>>40632452
Hmmm, i dont really get it. Much earlier you called my make everyone bored 24/7 white room example a hypothetical in this post >>40631736
Thats a real place and a real experience happening as we speak, the victims of it can attest to it themselves. Was this just a poor choice of words? Ive been using hypothetical the way i did because i thought it meant "example" to you

>>40631621
You said you've transcended suffering. Do you know what transcend means?

>>40631857
>and your not dyeing of exposure starvation or predator presently
I addressed this idiot:
>and the things that have to be done (physically/mentally harmful labor, submission to domination/abuse/sadism, etc) to cancel out the default negative condition of life and achieve homeostasis are themselves inherently bad/negative things

I'm not dying of exposure and starvation because I'm submitting to abuse/dominance/sadism. I'm being abused, harassed, terrorized, threatened, harassed, every day constantly all day every day

>>40631857
And even if the problem were just "boredom and loneliness" (it isn't, it's constant abuse, harassment, terrorism, threats, violation, poverty, etc) that would still mean life is suffering retard, proving my point

>>40632632
your hypothesis is that the world has more suffering then joy because theres afew people bored in white rooms 24/7

>>40632697
your life isnt all life.

>>40632697
the constancy of what you describe is another of your poorly constructed hypothesis. more over the constants you describe do not negate my initial statement. suffering is your body mind and spirit screaming at (you) to stop harming yourself.
weve been chatting for afew hours now, if you were constantly abused as you claim, we could not have done so, if i was constantly abused as your world view assumes, i could not have done so.
all youve done is surrender.

you seem kinda dim so lemme just give you the gist of what you missed
the trinity of your mind body and spirt can only speak to you.

>>40632452
>what lead you to believe the dear lives 90% in fear?
I suppose i should answer your question. As i said before, most things are an unknown to them and so they are naturally in a state of alert caused by fear. Deer are very twitchy creatures in particular. They arent fleeing 24/7 but they only start fleeing when their fear levels are really high, how scared must you feel before you start physically running away?

>>40632705
I think i got it now, the implications didnt come naturally to you. My hypothetical was that becoming bored is more easy to make happen than becoming joyful. In this world, things that are easier to happen are more likely to happen. Its easy for a tiger to kill a deer but hard for a deer to kill a tiger so the former happens alot more often than the latter
If being bored is easier to make happen than being joyful, it stands the reason that being bored occurs more often.
What do you think?

>>40632778
theres no such thing as boredom only boring people^

i do agree well probably never find common ground, but ive read like 20 of your suffering scenarios now, lets just hear afew of your joy scenarios, what is joy to you doomcoomer. as youve concluded the weight and measure of the two this answer should not escape you.

>>40632900
S tier: Not any for pleasure. Equivalent to getting your eyeballs stabbed repeatedly, rotting for a month from radiation poisoning, stung by that weird jellyfish that makes people want to cut off the limb that was stung, burning alive

A Tier: Extreme moments of euphoria caused by drugs or some other stimulus, equivalent to being eaten alive

B Tier: Finding love, hard drugs and passion projects. These are things people may seek even if it means they get cancer

C Tier: Sex, great social success, obtaining power. These things people may seek even if they suffer from life changing health affects (blindness/paralyzation)

D tier: Having fun with friends, eating food, partaking in a hobby, equivalent to getting punched by an average person

I feel like a tier is missing between D and C but its good enough for now. Nice to structure it a little

>>40633064
>S tier: Not any for pleasure. Equivalent to getting your eyeballs stabbed repeatedly, rotting for a month from radiation poisoning, stung by that weird jellyfish that makes people want to cut off the limb that was stung, burning alive

...

>>40633093
What, did you not like my tier list? I put my heart and soul into this, how very sad. This can only be remedied by a C tier pleasure

>>40633158
i agree, present bussy

>>40631317 (OP)
Need to figure that one out.

>>40631329
fpbp
OP is a faggoto