>I just assumed everyone had it, you know that little narrator in your head who talks you through your decisions, who questions your actions, who reflects on your failures and asks, “Why did I do that?” But here’s the data: over 75% of people report little to no inner dialogue at all. Nothing. No voice. No back-and-forth. No internal monologue steering the ship. Like wtf...

Paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053810008000342?via%3Dihub

>>40631496 (OP)
NPCs, scientifically confirmed

>>40631496 (OP)
NPC here. I deliberately imagine full conversations with people as a way of teaching myself a subject, but as far as hearing voices in my head saying this or that, no way, that's super weird, and if I did, I'd think I've gone insane.

>>40631496 (OP)
all thinking is memory recall, an inner monologue dosent mean your a real human it means most of your formative ideations came from literacy. can you still your thinking at will?

>>40631496 (OP)
its because they dont sharpen their intuition, the mind is like a muscle that will atrophy without use, including specific talents inside the mind
eat enough cheetos, watch enough pornhub and drink enough mtn dew without stretching your mental capacities and your life will become 1 dimensional
its simply poison and atrophy

>>40631522
>deliberately imagine full conversations with people as a way of teaching myself a subject, but as far as hearing voices in my head saying this or that
same thing

>>40631522
>>40631536
When you are reading a book, what happens in your mind?

>>40631496 (OP)
>that little narrator in your head
Why is this narrator needed when you can simply conceptualise a thought by tapping into your memories and fantasise about multiple outcomes seemingly at once? A mix of visualisation, projection, empathy and a little fantasy.
Thinking in words is just so slow.
Tbh when contemplating eating something that looks tasty I don't tell myself, or myself is not telling me that I should do it. I just imagine the feeling of eating it, if it's the right time, if I have the money, etc. I don't take 20seconds to verbalise all of that. It just happens all at once.
The narrator just sounds like shitzo delusion or demonic possession.

>>40631548
My lips move as if pronouncing the words, and may also imagine a very faint and sketchy picture if the subject requires it.

>>40631548
processing of information just like if i was listening to someone talk

>>40631565
how do you understand information? through pictures?

>>40631573
By silently repeating the words with my lips and these faint "image ghosts".22kah

>>40631605
so you lip read your own lips?
the other anons were right and i was wrong before, yoiure just an npc, no offense

>>40631565
>>40631568
so there's no narrator while you are reading? fascinating.

>>40631496 (OP)
Jason Wilde?

>>40631609
In a way yes. Even when my mouth is closed and and my tongue still, the rest of the muscles in my mouth and neck kind of make the same movement they would when talking. So you can picture the process as me talking without producing sound, and what I "talk" is either going to be what I'm reading or the conversations in my head which I'm imagining, as I described initially.

>>40631612
I guess I'm the narrator; no voice. But when it comes to the imnagined conversations, there may be a narrator, though it's usually just me explaining something to the fake audience.

>>40631609
Nta but a npc responds to his or her programming. By getting words(concepts put forth by other men, accepted by the many - validated by egos) into the processing part of your experience, you indulge in the programming. Etymologically composed of "before" and "write", by using consensual concepts to define your experience you actively assign yourself interpretations of it that are far from the ephemeral sensation that it really is. Because to explain the sensible is to dwell into what was written before.
Life is something you sense, not tell. Stories are told. Is your life that ever fleeting sensational or the story you tell yourself afterward? Is that story really yours?

Know thyself.

>>40631658
That doesn't mean that those who don't have an inner monologue aren't npcs by definition. They will assign concensus on their sensation if they do not understand themselves.

>>40631658
you use such derisive language to distinguish the herd mentality from the lone predator mentality only because you considering yourself on the the 'real' ones. your ego is as programmed as your would be npc

One thing I'd like to make clear is that the "voice" I'm talking about is just my lip thing. Nothing audible. Even music as I recall it, has all the properties of music, yet somehow is not "audible", much like the image isn't really all that "watchable".

>AIsloppajeet desperate for some way to feel superior to others
lul

>>40631683
>all thinking is memory recall

>>40631680
>>40631691
I didn't mean to hurt you guise but know that ad hominem are not an argument.

>>40631697
Correct.

I may not have an audible voice in my head narrating shit like schizos do, but I didn't take any of the mRNA killshots like all the real, card-carrying NPC's did :)

>>40631496 (OP)
This probably makes mind readers powerless against you.

I DJ as a hobby (turntables and and all that jazz) and my internal monologue is ~90% just me listening to songs/music I mix in my head.

https://youtu.be/SEcaqQBEe58

>>40631612
im the narrator dummy, just like if someone was talking. whats so hard to figure out?

>>40631713
>projection
my inner world is rich and filled with narration, your pathetic brown antics don't apply to me

>>40631848
Nice switcharoo, you're the one being insolent and rude.
Once again, ad hominems are not arguments.
I didn't read a book in 15 years, since high school and never opened an Hindu book and always lived in Europe, from european parents. It all comes from introspection.
I am not trying to take down your dream world, just giving my perspective.
So chill, and know yourself.

>>40631522
That's not npc behavior though. Having a dialog like that is a fairly pretty thing to do

>>40631496 (OP)
I hate how much this study got misinterpreted.

It wasn't that people don't think at all or was that any given time a large section was running on autopilot. Autopilot is a normal thing to do.

>>40631496 (OP)
>Unlike most people, I constantly hear voices in my head
>they're the crazy ones and I'm normal

>>40631522
NPC wouldn't know they are NPC

>>40632371
That's what NPCs would have you believe.
Remember Cypher in Matrix? Some just LOVE the material so much that transcendence is just not worth fighting for.

>>40631496 (OP)
>MOST
he is a true????

Both the "no internal monologue" and the "cant visualize an apple thing" spring from semantics and misunderstanding I think. Lots of retards assume you mean HALLUCINATING when you talk about your ability to visualize or your internal monolgue. Your "inner eye" and "inner ear" are different from hallucination.

Its just a language problem. I hope anyway.

>>40631496 (OP)
It isn't that scary, if you consider all kinds of paranormal stuff are actually existing.
Then by not thinking you're basically protecting others from hearing your constant stream of thoughts

Thinking in words just slows you down. I think in pure ideas, images, abstractions, etc. Imagine reading these words using a voice in your head when you can just process the words directly without waiting for a slow-ass voice to read it all.

>>40633271
First of all; this was poorly written at best, you've showed a very poor grasp of life. Second, you don't even know what you are talking about. It just... What makes you think you just don't hate other ways of thinking. Let's say your persona don't shout "intelectual"...
Screw you. You talk about processing things without words. Bet that every night you go home and congratuale yourself on what a genius you are. You're a dimwit pretending to be a midwit. People who actually think with words tell you that you still should feel good about who you are. No you shouldn't. Why should (you) feel better about who (you) are?

>>40633297
Verbosewit cope.

>>40633271
Its kind of true. My thoughts will be like some kind of vague thing that is less than words and then I have the decision to try to summon words for it or not. Often there is a chain of logic in my mind that would be extremely time consuming to describe and its full of digressions and examples of examples and random super tangentially related bits of information. The thoughts are some kind of matrix. And if you boil it down to words you lose a lot of detail and richness as well as just lose a lot of it to the time and brain power required to write it. Which is why I could never be a good writer because I lose some part of my thoughts as try to write them down. But it also makes me an extremely good test taker. I can demolish pretty much any multiple choice test. Or intuitively decipher the meaning of pretty much any obscure word by cross referencing with other words and finding common latin roots and shit like this.

>>40633319
Tough luck for me.
But I for one could lift 800 pounds.

>>40633331
When you lift that mass, do you tell yourself it's happening ? Or you just feel it ? :]

>>40633355
No it's not... You absolute son of a bitch, this is bloody well driving me crazy.

Developing an inner monologue is what cuts you off from your spirit. I use God’s language instead. I’m an animal, not an NPC.

>>40631496 (OP)
The inner voice is not you. Call it the ego, foreign installation, whatever. It's something to get rid of, not celebrate. If you listen and obey to it, never question it, you're functionally the exact same as npcs. A puppet for the archons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg8JYYyWSPg

>You must learn how to stop your internal dialogue at will. At the beginning of our association I delineated another procedure: walking for long stretches without focusing the eyes on anything. My recommendation was to not look at anything directly but, by slightly crossing the eyes, to keep a peripheral view of everything that presented itself to the eyes. If one keeps one's unfocused eyes fixed at a point just above the horizon, it is possible to notice, at once, everything in almost the total 180-degree range in front of one's eyes. That exercise is the only way of shutting off the internal dialogue.
>The internal dialogue is what grounds us. The world is such and such or so and so, only because we talk to ourselves about its being such and such or so and so. The passageway into the world of sorcerers opens up after the warrior has learned to shut off the internal dialogue.
>To change our idea of the world is the crux of sorcery, and stopping the internal dialogue is the only way to accomplish it. The rest is just padding. Nothing of what we do, with the exception of stopping the internal dialogue, can by itself change anything in us, or in our idea of the world. The provision is, of course, that that change should not be deranged. Therefore a teacher doesn't clamp down on his apprentice. That would only breed obsession and morbidity.
> Stopping the internal dialogue is, however, the key to the sorcerers' world. The rest of the activities are only props; all they do is accelerate the effect of stopping the internal dialogue. There are two major activities or techniques used to accelerate the stopping of the internal dialogue: erasing personal history and dreaming .

>>40633271
>MFW people are arguing about what is better
>MFW I can do both

>>40633366
See >>40633371
>>40633387
They get shit numerals but they're speaking sense.

it's just a ability to mimic your own voice in your head. pretty sure you can develop it if you read enough books

>>40633387
>Links B movie from 2005
>expects people not to think he is retarded

>>40633434
It's not my fault or my problem that you got filtered, anon.

>>40633443
It is your problem that you've let someone else influence your views on internal monologue, you didn't come up with the ideas you are regurgitating because I’ve seen them posted before.

You're just nobody trying to be somebody when everybody else couldn't give a shit.

>>40633480
Ever heard of common sense? Kek

>>40633480
Your ego clearly feels threatened or you would not react this strongly. Maybe you could use this as a starting point?

>>40631901
>>40631496 (OP)
I do not believe these studies are trye, however i believe some people are a lot more prone to having inner monologues more than others, so I.M.O there is a spectrum, personally, i can't even turn my brain off, it takes me forever to sleep every night, i would wake up to piss and my brain will start thinking and i won't be able to return to sleep, i also can't focus on any given task because the inner voice in my head can't shut down, the voices in my head are too loud and don't want to stop, they are too distractive

>>40631496 (OP)
>>40631522
This. Everyone who has even a shred of meditative experience knows that the voice in your head is in fact not your friend. The inner voice needs to be silenced, its a fake identification. It muddies true experience. The world is so much more than language.
No living being exists without a soul, its the animating force. The NPC thing is just a pseudo-ironic meme for 4chins retards to feel better than others for once in their lives.

>>40634184
IDK. What you said sounds like reductionist BS. If you were saying anything worthwhile in your head, why would you want to silence it? How would you direct yourself? If you're not in control up there, then who is?

>>40631549
When you have an inner voice, you can still make decisions without consulting the inner voice(s) first. It's not like we say to ourselves "do that thing" before doing every imaginable task. That would be very cumbersome. Still, it is valuable to have the ability to internally assess one's actions with inner language rather than raw "computation", because it allows one to listen in on the logic guiding one's decisions (as well as describe it, linguistically, to oneself and others.)
Inner voice individuals can still imagine the taste of a fruit and imagine future outcomes with imagined scenarios, too. I can see objects in my mind, taste familiar foods, imagine a smell that is described as "musty", etc. We have everything you have in that regard. And it can happen automatically without internally ordering, "Brain: think about an apple rotating." Essentially, I and others with inner voices know how you think, because we do it all the time, but you cannot ever comprehend having an inner voice.
Part of my thoughts are a "black box" and they just work automatically, like yours. I don't need a quorum of voices to settle these actions. The inner voice is more related to thinking ABOUT thinking. It's the language translation of the black box thoughts. It lets me question why I think what I think, in words, not just silent, under-the-hood computations. That means my thoughts are able to be translated to words and vice versa.
Having language and conversation directly related to one's cognition is beneficial, because intelligent language is seemingly inherent to the human spirit and our means of transmitting complex thoughts to others. It's what differentiates us from all other species. It especially benefits one's ability to describe their thoughts to others or write them down. It's essentially the readable documentation of one's own thought process, but not necessarily written down on paper.

>>40634184
Wrong, you need to make the voice in your head your friend, because it's necessary to navigate this world

Thoughts, subconscious or conscious, are what creates inner monologue. But thoughts can also be expressed in other modalities. If your only method of thinking, or experiencing conscious awareness is through inner monologue then that's pretty basic. My inner monologue can be activated at will but is only present maybe 5% of the time, the rest is made up of intuition, imagination, high order symbolic reasoning, emotions, and many others including nothingness.

>>40631496 (OP)
I do speak to myself, but somehow, it's more of a muted voice, if that makes sense? Like, I can somehow tell that it's supposed to sound like me and it's reflective of the way I do speak and the words I would choose if I were to talk normally, but again, it sounds muted. I don't know if anyone else here can relate to this. Maybe I'm an NPC after all, kek.

Also, I pretty much do this >>40631522 most of the time.

>>40634284
How do you process complex thought processes with animal instinct alone, and without using language/symbology? Isn't the abilty to use complex symbololgy the basis for humankind's unique use of language?

>>40631496 (OP)
If I had no inner voice my mind would be still and there would be no veil to obstruct the nature of my unchanging being

>>40631496 (OP)
Kinda terrifying to think if you didn’t have an inner voice and then one day you gained one. How would you interpret that?

>>40634542

>>40633387
I got adhd (actually diagnosed). Never really thought about how to stop the inner voice until I saw a random reel while doomscrolling. Heard the tone of 963hz frequency and everything went still. No random voice thoughts, no random body movements. Just pure focus. Didn't feel like that since taking ritalin.

>>40631548
I vividly imagine the scenes described. If there is dialog, I "hear" it. But I don't subvocalize the narration. It gets instantly converted into images.
I get a lot of joy out of re-reading books because little details in the visualized scenes change based on how my life has changed since last I read it (e.g. my perception of an expensive chair will have different upholstery and a different design). So it's also a little self-reflection exercise, in addition to reliving a good story.
>>40631565
>>40631565
>>40631605
>>40631752
This sounds boring as shit.

its cuz they dont have others to talk to

>>40634423
Yes, but the inability to think about concepts without an inner monolague just makes you a slightly-more-advanced shade of NPC.
These people are LLMs. Verbal understanding only with no ability to synthesize images, smells, textures, or emotions.

>>40635060
It works to my advantage, but schizo voices would be disruptive.

>>40634423
I don't. Did you even read what I wrote?
>>40635083
As I mention here >>40634284 people with inner voices can do all the other mind stuff, like imagining 3d objects' images, smells, feeling emotions, solving problems without a voice going through every step, etc. They just also have an inner voice. I know you like to believe this is a zero sum: where either you have an inner voice and no other cognition OR no inner voice and a rich cognition of other types, but it's more like you just are missing something that you could have, which is an inner voice. You can't understand or even comprehend what it's like, whereas people with inner voices can certainly agree about the act of thinking, even without the guidance of our inner voice. We know what you experience. Inner voice is not our sole means of cognition. It adds another level to cognition. Not that complicated, geez Louise...

>>40631496 (OP)
Yeah well mine will never shut the fuck up so I envy those people and the serene bliss they must be experiencing.

>>40631548
If it is a good piece of fiction it is kind of like watching a movie in my head. If it's non fiction it's like the news or a documentary, or too boring to get into that state of mind.

>>40631522
skill issue

>>40631496 (OP)
>>40631498
>>40631501
The more time goes on, and the more "science" makes these "new" discoveries that religion and philosophy figured out centuries or even millennia ago, the more I realize the so-called "age of enlightenment" was a fucking scam that set humanity back further than we'll ever fully realize or appreciate. We chucked out all the old teachings and called them superstitious woo-woo nonsense only to spend the last 400 years rediscovering the same old shit at a snail's pace. Just how spiritually, morally, and even technologically developed could humanity be right now if we didn't start over from scratch for no good reason? If we'd done more to integrate religion and philosophy into science and not assume that anything religious or spiritual is automatically silly?

Vax damage? Nutrition damage? Low Intelligence in pre character selection?

>>40636500
I guess the voices are making up for the lack of skill.

most "people" arent people
some "humans" look like humans but arent humans
its shiny like gold but it isnt
it is true in that way and if you contemplated it enough, it is true in even one more other way
whats a matrix? what are programs, scripts?

i enjoy sending my inner monologue to others and make them act like i told them to in my mind. makes many things easier
>>40631612
i like to imagine the narrator and their voice to the texts i read. it changes the cadence, intonation ect of said text and gives it more plasticity

>>40634184
This is what the book " The Matter With Things" says, basically the inner voice is left hemisphere invention, which controls the intuitive and spiritual right hemisphere which is the one which can see nature without filters in its pristine form and connect to it (this is how artists and scientists get many of their groundbreaking ideas). The left hemisphere has its benefits but it should never control the right hemisphere by itself. All spiritual activities like mindfulness, flow experienced in extreme sports or mental activities, meditation are possible when the left hemisphere influence is minimised. Read the book, it's 1500 pages, a lot of material to support this, highly scientific book.

>>40636577
We the "silent lip flappin imaginary dialog" crowd and the "schizo head voices" crowd appear to have something in common: thought process. The question is, wouldn't a real NPC lack any sort of introspection to begin with?

>>40631496 (OP)
I see sounds, smells, tastes, touches, hear motion, read letters/numbers/symbols in color, and I figured everyone else had the same until I found out they didn't. In terms of inner dialogue/pictures, I can do both, but usually pictures come first.

>>40636643
>silent lip flappin imaginary dialog
is called subvocal speech. and was already studied. now it is being subverted and studied even more by so called ai/llms
they will tell you that they can "read" your mind when in reality video cams in bus, trains, institutions simply record your face and feds it in real time to ai to "read" your mind aka lip reading.
thats why schizos are going to make it. lip flappers have to up their game and learn how to do it inside their head without moving any muscles in their face

>>40636610
>1500 pages
yeah i would but that too would give me +3.0 dioptrees after im finished

>>40636799
Good point. I can do it with my lips closed, so I guess I'm safe until they figure how to read neck beards.

>>40631496 (OP)
Almost there anon, almost there. Who are 75% of the world population.....i wonder....there's implications to be had here bro

>>40636643
Das rite!

>>40636707
So what do you see when someone braps onto your face? When the smell gets to you? When he or she makes contacts on your face with his or her brappers? What do you see when you lick that bass?
What does this commotion sound like?

Asking for a fren.

>>40634266
Maybe meditate about that question :)
Also, the voice shouldnt be eliminated. It should just not be the sole dictator of your brain. You should be able to control it freely.

>>40631496 (OP)
>NPC=none
>Neurotic=can't turn it off
>Superior=can turn it on and off at will

I don't think frogposters have an internal dialogue, they just look for opportunities to post another pepe and come up with a half-assed response to make it a relevant image.

>>40636827
It took me 50 hours, I learnt a lot more than browsing this forum for 4 years. I have not read this one yet, the Julian Jaynes book on consciousness and breakdown of bicameral mind is similar and more compact if that's your liking

>>40637299
Come on man does that sound like a real name to you?

>>40637129
I wish I could turn it off desu

>>40631496 (OP)
It is worth noting that highly abstract thought is also silent, it can't be expressed in any language known to me without losing a significant amount of information. People often make the mistake of comparing me to an animal when I refuse to completely neuter an idea by making a futile attempt at speaking it and nothing could be more further from the truth. I of course do use the internal monologue for mundane things but for the really good stuff it would be like using a hammer to repair a broken motherboard. If anything the fact that they don't know this betrays their own ignorance.

>>40634017
i have this problem. i started looking into internal family systems style 'therapy', which is kind of just dialoging with all of those internal thoughts and attributing them to parts of yourself. you work through issues these 'parts' are having and it helps improve your life in various ways. kinda like the schizo tulpa shit people do but hopefully less harmful. it's helped a lot, and i find it much easier to do than regular style meditation, but ironically, working on it has made 'regular' meditation a lot easier because the internal monologue isn't going a mile a minute over every single conceivable thing in reality.

>>40637581
>I wish I could turn it off desu
How can you not? Have you never "turned off your brain" watching a movie or playing a game? Because that's all you do.

>>40631548
I basically daydream but guided with words I'm barely thinking about. It's like I hit a rail and just grind along as my little mind movie goes.
It's actually kind of funny when it's a book that had a TV or Movie adaptation because then I tend to slot in the actors used and it just kind of acts as this sort of 3d version of it.

>there are people who can't perfectly reproduce music internally whenever they want
How do they get a song "stuck in their head"? Do they just not?

>>40637712
I can, in a similar fashion to the lip flapping thing I described above, but reproducing the tones (as if I were singing or whistling) combined with the words instead. There's no mistaking any of that with actually hearing music play.

>>40631496 (OP)
Your inner voice is you in the same way that your ego is you, but to hear your inner voice to much is a sign of an overly protective / overly invasive ego.
Your ego is a construct made to cope with physical existence. It does things like being able to provide action to patterns faster, goes over lists repetitively to find solutions or cope with expectations. Your ego is a survival mechanism to help with life.

Some people's ego gets constructed in a word processing method. As life can be comprised of words and meanings so much, the ego itself thinks in words and meanings as doing so provides are more easier to survive mindset. Words have clear cut meanings and precise expectations, you don't need to try to understand the feelings of words as they have their meaning. Its a more easier straightforward way of dealing with information. But this at times can overcorrect. Causing you to naturally think that all thoughts must be made of words. You think everything is described as language and desperately cling to descriptions and words for all in life. That's why so much spiritual enlighten paths mention ego death as it can be very obstructive in experiencing new sensations and concepts.

I think that the idea of ego death is wrong though. Its still you, its you just thinking to hard, but still your thoughts. It shouldn't be silenced from the perspective of a total annihilation, it shouldn't be dissociated as a demon entity in your brain either. Its you, but you talking to much to cope with stuff. Silencing is wrong, it should be rebuilt to be better.

A cool way to try and fix is is to replace words/sentences with symbols. Don't say in your mind "I'm happy", just think of a smile. Move onto more complex symbols with deeper lengthier meanings. Then move onto the feelings associated with them and build of them. Hemi sync converse this a little bit so those are some useful tapes if you need assistance. I've also heard flat out brute force can work too.

>>40637706
not the person youre replying to but internal monologues can be maladaptive sometimes. it can be a bad coping mechanism to try to always be one step ahead, to be aware of potential disaster, or to spend a lot of time worrying about the past/present and therefore constantly thinking of the next move on one level of thought even while thinking about other things on a 'lower' level of thought. sometimes you can be encouraged into thinking that way through internal circumstances.

for one example, an autistic person who is functioning well enough to mask their autism might have to constantly expend internal resources on things that other people would do on autopilot, with great intention as to "blend in" better. an adhd person might have several different tracks of thought running at one time to keep themselves entertained and 'stimulated' enough to keep on a task. another i can think of from personal experience is ocd, i used to have a compulsion to constantly guilt trip myself about things i should be doing, things i hadn't done, social misfires, failures outside of my control, etc, ruminating over things other people did and what it must 'mean' + my own paranoia, and i had a constant need to plan things out, to be thinking 'productively' and not wasting time zoning out or even daydreaming. letting my thoughts quiet meant wasting precious time i could be planning my next move, or it could mean forgetting something important. basically it's neuroticism. maybe there were times when my internal monologue was quiet, but the simple act of noticing this would start the whole train back up again.

Now I know I shouldn't still be awake with the morning goose

There are no npcs

>>40631496 (OP)

To understand more, I highly recommend reading this book:

https://archive.org/details/he361629

>>40633324
It's all just this + people misunderstanding the meaning

>>40637964
You are thinking in frameworks at this level. They can take many forms based on task.

I want to give you my experience. I have a very active inner voice. Too much sometimes or often. I think I might have undiagnosed ADHD as well.

Well there's a couple of things I did that greatly diminished "my" inner voice. The biggest one is when I took some antiworm meditations while following the parasite pill here on 4chan.

The first ones I took were praziquantel + pyrantel. Those immediately diminished the volume and frequency of that voice. Also the intrusive thoughts. Ivermectin didn't seem to have much of an effect.

The second one is when I used to do the getaway tapes for meditation. After doing that my mind would be much quieter and with less anxiety, that would work for a few hours.

So I think having an inner monologue also makes you susceptible to other entities talking to you those are not YOU, often they are other beings.

>>40635504
These two posts of mine were meant to be paired: >>40635060, >>40635083
I think there are at least three types of people ITT: NPCs who have no thoughts, LLMs who ONLY have an inner molologue, and regular soul-havers who can do both interchangeably.