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What is so special about this Planet in particular and why do they worship it? Do they worship the Planet itself or a concept associated to this Planet?

I don't buy the idea that Saturn is associated with time because of it's long 30 year orbit cycle around the Sun because they also connect Saturn with the Tesseract for some reason...

The Moon Matrix Theory also has many holes, so what gives?

Strange how you give every possible theory except that it's a conscious being projecting through the firmament. With all the worship it receives most would call that a god.

>>40631779
A conscious being? I've also heard that Planets are alive and that Earth has a Heartbeat (Schumann Resonance).

Strangely enough Saturn's sigil also looks like a harmnic Lissajous Figure (like the one in Meta's Logo). Is this a frequency it emits?
>picrel

Does Saturn also have it's own Schumann Resonance?

>>40631779
A conscious being? I've also heard that Planets are alive and that Earth has a Heartbeat (Schumann Resonance).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

Strangely enough Saturn's sigil also looks like a harmonic Lissajous Figure (like the one in Meta's Logo). Is this a frequency it emits?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lissajous_curve
>picrel

Does Saturn also have it's own Schumann Resonance/Heartbeat?

>>40631852
Yes, all stars/planets do. It's how they influence the world's manifestation and it's why astrology exists.

https://youtu.be/9f3Mr9e1CLE

>>40631762 (OP)
It's what the planet stands for - timekeeping (passive income) and obfuscation (black boxes of understanding)

All the planets have associated intelligence, spirits, and dieties with them. The Corpus Hermeticum/Divine Poimandres says that they are the governors that God placed in charge of governing the universe.

Saturn, within the esoteric tradition and astrology, is called "the Greater Malefic" because his power and governance is associated with things that humans associate with bad. He is in charge of things like time, winter, death, aging, and limits. However, the initiated perspective on his area of governance is that these harsh and cold aspects of his dominion are necessary for life, transformation, resurrection, and manifestation. Time provides us with the fabric upon which experience is built, winter requires storing and saving our labors and fertilizes the soil we till in the spring, death operates within the same function in which the gross is decomposed and transformed so new life can be generated, and it is ultimately through boundaries and limitations that the definition for all of Being is composed (there is no Self without the boundary and limit between Self and Non-Self).

Its this understanding of Saturn that leads those who are existential nihilists and hate the gross material to blaming Saturn for the structure and order of existence and Being. But Saturn is Osiris, he is Chronos, he is the Reaper and it is not his governance you hate it is your own fear of the transformation he brings that really scares people.

>>40631762 (OP)
Saturn makes those born under him petty, /2P/ malignant, care-worn, self-depreciating, solitary,
deceitful, secretive in their trickery, strict, downcast, with a hypocritical air, squalid, black-clad,
importunate, sad-looking, miserable, with a nautical bent, plying waterside trades. Saturn also causes
humblings, sluggishness, unemployment, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of
business, secrets, imprisonment, chains, griefs, accusations, tears, bereavement, capture, exposures of
children. Saturn makes serfs and farmers because of its rule over the land, and it causes men to be renters of
property, tax farmers, and violent in action. It puts into one’s hands great ranks and distinguished
positions, supervisions, management of others’ property, and the fathership of others’ children. Of
materials, it rules lead, wood, and stone. Of the limbs of the body, it rules the legs, the knees, the
tendons, the lymph, the phlegm, the bladder, the kidneys, and the internal, hidden organs. Saturn is
indicative of injuries arising from cold and moisture, such as dropsy, neuralgia, gout, cough, dysentery,
hernia, spasms. It is indicative of these syndromes: possession, homosexuality, and depravity. Saturn
makes bachelors and widows, bereavements, and childlessness. It causes violent deaths by water,
strangulation, imprisonment, or dysentery. It also causes falling on the face.

>>40631762 (OP)
they worship the energy saturn represents

>>40631963
So Astrology is just the measuring/cycle of celestial influences on our life, is this also why we call people Lunatics like the Moon? (LUNA-tic)?

Also that song has a ton of masonic references.
>Fool, I'm the kinda G the little homies wanna be like.
>I'm 23 now but will I live to see 24?
There is also checkerboard symbolism in the MV right at the start.

>>40632061
True, our clock's hours are dependant on the Sun and our days of the week are named after planets, like SUNday, SATURday etc...

>>40632073
Interesting take, so people don't fear Saturn itself, they fear his changes/boundaries, also could you recommend any other texts about this?

>>40632108
Bot has marked this thread, means it's on the right track...

It's also odd how it's rings are named like Piano Keys, as if each ring plays a tone/frequency that influences life.
>picrel

>>40631762 (OP)
Is "they" me or you or both or neither in this instance?

>>40632177
You are a moron.

>>40632945
Not a counter argument.

>>40632061
>star of remphan
>hexagon at Saturn's pole
>black cube on their forehead during prayer
but the one that really gets me is the local contractor I had
>glowniggers I am talking about the mobster's son
that told me how one of the jobs he did with his brother was building a black windowless cube room in a jewish home. He kept saying how strange it was, and that guy had seen some shit.

i told them to

>>40632945
Nah, you are

Whether its Jupiter, Saturn or Venus, I dont think anything lesser than a star should be worshiped as a God.
I think their influence is felt, and perhaps everything of the solar system is coded into us and how we operate, but they are not gods.

its because it used to be our sun. every religion worships ancient plasma discharges in the sky
look up purple dawn of creation and thunderbolts project

>>40631762 (OP)
https://youtu.be/Pu6Zl5HBUv0?si=zSIQqWZapY60rHlS

>>40633092
Can you elaborate further on this? Also some people believe that it's not a cube but a Rhombic Dodecahedron at it's North Pole.
>picrel

>>40633170
They also worship the Star Sirius though, it's the Masonic Blazing Star, it's also known as the Dog Star and God backwards is doG, this is also why Sabrina Carpenter did the "Man's Best Friend" album controversy recently, Sirius Dog Days start in July...
https://www.universalfreemasonry.org/en/article/stars-in-freemasonry

>>40633187
Also heard of that theory but the science behind them also seems to have many holes. (I believe it has something to do with Saturn not having the necessary conditons for fission which is what makes a Sun).

Seen that already, that AD has Saturn, The Owl, The Buffalo (Moloch) and the Rhombus.
That Rhombus also reminds me of Leviathan.
>picrel

>>40631762 (OP)
Can any anon recommend real literature to deep dive in the esoteric history/practices related to Saturn? I've been wanting to read about it for some time but I don't really know where to start to, and of course don't recommend made up shit.

>>40633211
If I were Sirius Id feel embarrassed that humans are going around doing silly little shit like that popstar is doing with the dog stuff.
So fucking cringe. When are we going to stop giving a shit about the entertainment industry?

>>40633335
Humans have been doing that for thousands of years.

All fields of human knowledge are interconnected, music with science, science with esotericism etc...

The answer to that is never, all industries are occupied...

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>>40631762 (OP)
look they were associated before anyone knew what planets were, and now we're stuck with it. originally the roman pantheon wasn't even humans. their high god who would become Mars was just a symbol of a spear once.

katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/saturn-and-jews

>>40631762 (OP)
There is something very off with Saturn compered to other planets, It has a massive ring system, It's poles look very goofy and have a hexagon, It has a earth like moon Titan that has lakes seasons and even rains.

>>40632139
What energy? And how does Saturn represent it?
>picrel

>>40634536
I believe the personifications of Planets as Gods was made because the ancients knew they were "alive" in a sense so they personified them as living beings/characters (Classic Pantheons).

>>40634673
>the STAR of Saturday
>Greek and Arab astrology, however, considered Saturn to be the most malignant of the seven planets.
>the planet’s wicked nature.
>Saturn’s baneful influence

So it does influence us and it's baneful.
>picrel

>>40634744
One ring to rule them all...

>>40634886
>One ring to rule them all
The planets all move along the elliptical. If you track astrology you notice they all move in the same line, in the same ring around the earth. The zodiac (12 tribes) which dictates our lives (as above, so below.) Picrel is Aion/Saturn with that ring. He is lord of time because he is lord of the agricultural planting (or seasonal) calendar which, if you think about it, all of society has been based around since ancient Egyptian times (Osiris, lord of agriculture and ruler of the underworld, is also Saturn.) Egyptian grain burning rituals, Babylonian child burning rituals, Celtic burning man rituals, etc. they all represent the harvest of physical life for "karmic" return or investment in other matters.

>>40633211
Sabrina Carpenter's album is a conundrum itself. It obviously references Sirius but it puts the "man's best friend" title on the collar of a cat, not a dog.

Her "manchild" song references Kronos. From that perspective the lyrics are not a woman talking about how she leads men on, it's Saturn talking about how they rule mankind. There is an occult mythic tradition honoring Kronos as an eternal youth (not a decrepit old man as is more customary.) Which iirc goes back to Sanchuniathon or other historical writers who described Kronos as the Puer Aeternus of the Golden Age, an eternally foolish (or, karmically blind) child whose love for all things included training with "Nyx" in the dark or evil practices which we now associate with Saturnians; and why we have rituals like the Saturnalia which crowns a peasant fool as "lord of misrule" and media like Peter Pan, which is a tongue-in-cheek depiction of the child molestation carried out by Saturn (as Pan/Baphomet.)

https://youtu.be/25CBe5FAvtI

Best thread I've seen a while.

>>40635183
Ancient cosmologies depicted the Planets as Spheres/Densities (like a spherical density column experiment or matryoshka doll nested within each other).
>picrel and linkrel
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Floral_matryoshka_set_2_smallest_doll_nested.JPG

And what about Kairos? (The other Greek Time God).

>the Saturnalia which crowns a peasant fool as "lord of misrule"
The Trickster/Fool/Loki/Reynard Archetype...

>>40635895
Kepler's Cosmology also used this "Nested Universe" model.
>picrel

What if the Plane-ts are actually Flat Planes/Liquid Densities and the reason why we see them as spheres is because the Abyss/Cosmic Ocean bends light around them like a Fish Eye Lens?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ocean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_(mythology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisheye_lens

Gnostic Ophite Cosmology also used this "Layer Cake" model...

>>40635895
>>40635942
I'd like to show what i mean, take for example picrel here, it's a flat sky/plane.

>>40635895
>>40635942
>>40635961
But when i go underwater to capture it again, it suddenly becomes spherical and has a "spherical effect" around it.

What if this is actually what planets are? Flat densities that give off the illusion of roundness because of the sheer light bending magnitude of the Cosmic Ocean/Abyss?

>What you know about rolling down in the deep?
>Astronaut in the Ocean...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEg-oqI9qmw

>>40635895
>>40635942
>>40635961
>>40635984
Have you ever asked yourself why they are called Space-SHIPS? Because they are actually Submarines...

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There are really a lot of morons among people. Nobody gives a shit about the planet and nobody lives there.

Saturn = Kronos = El/Ilu = Enlil

Just read the Phoenician History of Philo, the Phoenician priest thinks too atheistically (after all, Thoth-Hermes-Mercury confused the myths, according to him), but he writes that El was considered the father of the gods and introduced the ritual of circumcision, and also sacrificed his only son (hmm...)

You can see El/Il/Al in many places

AvALon (in general, there is also El Elyon, he was supposedly of higher status)

Babylon (although here the matter is again more connected with Elyon)

Apollo (Aplu Enlil, son of Enlil, that is. This is not a Greek god, like Hercules)

Troy was also called Ilion

All angels contain El in their names.

Byblos, aka Gebal (Geb = Kronos + Al = El).

>>40631762 (OP)
>Why do they worship a Planet?

No one had unironically worshiped Saturn since the end of Roman paganism over a thousand years ago.

The more interesting question is where does the urban myth that people are worshiping Saturn now come from?

>>40631762 (OP)
That's not a real picture of Saturn, it's NASA CGI.

>>40642705
>Nobody gives a shit about the planet and nobody lives there.
Nah.

>where does the urban myth that people are worshiping Saturn now come from?
>urban myth
Lmao, have you taken a good look at your surroundings?

How about we start with this infamous Dollar Bill? (picrel)

>Novus ordo seclorum

>The phrase derives from the fourth poem of the Eclogues by the Latin poet Virgil.

>"Ultima Cumaei venit iam carminis aetas,
magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo,
Iam redit et Virgo, redeunt Saturnia regna"

>"Now is come the last age of the Cumaean prophecy, the great cycle of ages is born anew,
Now returns the Maid, returns the reign of Saturn."

>RETURNS THE REIGN OF SATURN...

And there's that Luciferian Green again...

>>40643001
>messed up the greentext
ffs >:(

>>40642064
>Nobody gives a shit about the planet and nobody lives there.
Nah.

>>40642705
>where does the urban myth that people are worshiping Saturn now come from?
>urban myth
Lmao, have you taken a good look at your surroundings?

How about we start with this infamous Dollar Bill? (picrel)

>Novus ordo seclorum

>The phrase derives from the fourth poem of the Eclogues by the Latin poet Virgil.

>"Ultima Cumaei venit iam carminis aetas, >magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo, >Iam redit et Virgo, redeunt Saturnia regna"

>"Now is come the last age of the Cumaean >prophecy, the great cycle of ages is born anew,
>Now returns the Maid, returns the reign of Saturn."

>RETURNS THE REIGN OF SATURN...

And there's that Luciferian Green again...

>>40642898
Proof? Can you show a real picture of Saturn then? (And no i'm not talking about those unfocused telescope bullshit photos).