do you think muhammad fooled pepole into thinking he was a prophet or did he really believe he was a prophet?

>>40639999 (OP)
Cool quads bro. I think there was someone between Jesus and me, maybe more than one. I don't feel like asking the specific question right now, which there might be a reason behind. I already knew the text of all monotheistic religions is false, namely because monotheism itself is.

He didn't exist.

>>40639999 (OP)
Ask Gabriel.

I think Muhammad had real mystical experiences and received messages from a spirit.
But the satanic verses seem like a pretty damning event in Islamic history. I don't think Gabriel was the same Gabriel from the nativity story but maybe (I'm trying to think of this as charitably as I can) he just fancied himself "a messenger of God" and called himself that, and tried to change the world in a significant way that seemed sensible for the time and then ended up way over his head. The sin of the fallen angels was pride after all.
Although I can see why people would just label Islam a evil religion, I hesitate to judge something so harshly since I only started seriously studying it recently

>>40639999 (OP)
There was no "Muhammad" in history. Mahmad was originally a title for Christ, and that's who the Qur'an refers to. The later islamic character was retroactively engineered by mixing Jesus, Elagabalus, Nehemiah ben Hushiel, Iyas ibn Qabisah and a bunch of other figures together.
>Although I can see why people would just label Islam a evil religion, I hesitate to judge something so harshly since I only started seriously studying it recently
Take it from an ex-convert who remained ten years in it: it really is an evil religion. The patterns can only be handwaved away for so long.

>>40640275
last part meant for >>40640145

>>40640275
You can correct me if I'm wrong but I think most of the bad parts of Islam come from Hadith. I'm not sure if Islam as Muhammad and his daimon intended it would be as bad.

>>40640317
Dude, nta but read the damn book. Do it twice, first from cover to cover. You'll be confused it's normal. Then read it chronologically you'll understand better. Then indulge in how muslims make sense of this book of contradictions, tafsirs, fatwas, abrogation etc. If by then you still aren't convinced then read the hadiths and go on muslim forums to understand their questions as part of the faithful.

It really is a religion of idiots and hypocrites.

>>40640317
>You can correct me if I'm wrong but I think most of the bad parts of Islam come from Hadith.
I've read and studied the Qur'an dozens of times. It's a black hole of existential dread that offers no clear answer beyond base submission, it's the stinking breath of a demon warning you against unseen threats just so you're fearful and dumb at all times, a blatant display of narcissism, cruelty and materialism, featuring endless repetitions to brainwash you, irreducible ambiguity for plausible deniability, the constant demonization of disbelievers and people who doubt. It is spiritual goyslop of the most comical sort (its passages are often hilarious if you read them plainly), to the point that it looks indistinguishable from satire of monotheism. I could write entire books to explain why it's terrible in every possible way it could be terrible. The only reason people like it is because it has that vibe of "hard scripture with hard rules for hard people", that's the only appeal, and it's just a smokescreen for a worldview that will reduce your mind to mush. The Qur'an gives you stinking shit and makes you believe you've been given infinite gold. And that's not even mentioning its ridiculous arguments when it attempts to argue in favor of its positions.

>>40639999 (OP)
>>40640104
>>40640145
The Spirit that Muhammad met was Alexander the Great. He willed him to finish his own objective of world conquest.

>>40640341
Muslims don't even agree on the chronological order iirc

>>40639999 (OP)
Does it matter?
Why bring up has beens on such a good day

>>40639999 (OP)
this is all the answer you need. especially the saturn jupiter conjunction in scorpio (guess what sign islam resembles the most)

>>40639999 (OP)
Muhammad was a guy who woke up and didnt go insane or turn delusional.
Thats what a prophet is.

The whole concept of God expecting 99.9% of humans to blindly follow some book written by someone they've never met is completely absurd. This is the fundamental problem with all Abrahamic religions and why they're impossible to believe.

>>40639999 (OP)
I think he was. I'm a Buddhist and you simply don't achieve as much as he did without some level of enlightenment (there are tiers)
He's what I'd refer to as a "wrathful" prophet in that he was a stern warrior, but I don't think he was as advanced as Jesus for example.

>>40641439
>I don't think he was as advanced as Jesus for example.
how so
>there are tiers
enlightenment has tiers now LOL LMAO

>>40641452
>How is not as advanced as Jesus
Miracles. Mojammad had problems doing them. Yeah, I know miracles aren't shit since everyone has the ability to "quantum collapse" reality it to whatever they envisions given enough concentration ability, but Jesus was on a whole another level.
>enlightenment has tiers now LOL LMAO
The tiers are:
Level 1: you get glimpses of source/oneness/Godhead/emptiness/theosis/(whatever you want to call it), once in a while.
Level 2: you get glimpses of "source more often maybe every couple days or hours.
Level 3: You constantly get glimpses of source every few secods
Level 4: You live in source all of the time.
Level 5: Messiah tier
Mohammed was about level 3. Jesus was level 5, and most spiritual gurus today are level 2.

>>40641158
>>40641439
Examine more truthfully the fruits of islam.

>>40641645
Like what? Fucking your cousin? Wiping your ass with your hand? Throwing hundreds of thousands of people into the meat grinder of war because you won't stop committing terrorism?

>>40639999 (OP)
Half of islam seems like a shitpost so my guess is he was just shizofrenic

>>40639999 (OP)
Maybe he was some sort of epileptic and shit like that back in day was simply interpreted either as jinn possession or divine revelation.

>>40641158
A prophet is never accepted in his home town. Yet Mohammad won Mecca by pledging fealty to the Triple Goddess (al-Lāt, al-'Uzzá, and Manāt). Now Muslims worldwide travel there to worship a fragment of the image of Venus (the Black Stone of Kaaba). False prophet indicators galore.

>>40641645
No one wakes up without divine authority friend.
I know that, you obviously do too.

>>40642270
Prophets have trouble with translation.
Thats why I said Muhammad wasn't delusional.
He was able to handle divine power and he changed the world because of it.

>>40639999 (OP)

I say this as a muslim with very complex beliefs that I'm still working through (these would be heretical by any other muslims standards)

I think he had a mystical experience for sure, when he was a trader , to get away from the city , he would go to mt hijra at nights to pray to god away from the pagans. This prayer was a meditation of sorts and he had likely been doing it for a decade by that point which would indicate the necessary requisite hours to invoke that sort of energy not including any natural aptitude.

BUT I do believe the later "revelations" were made by him. The experience on the mountain convinced him it was all real and that he was special and he likely didn't understand that what he saw could be accessed by anyone with enough practice.

But note something extremely important about muhammads language

He simply refers to himself as a messenger of God , while yes he's claiming to be from a lineage of prophets etc etc like to legitimize himself , this wording is very particular because a messenger can be ANYBODY. Any spiritually adept person knows that god can work through anybody and anything and I highly highly suspect he hid that truth in plain sight, he is a messenger in the sense that he views himself as a vehicle for his interpretation of god that he is convinced is what the one true god wants.

>>40643614

He likely believes himself to be correcting where the Christians went wrong, he likely met christians on his travels or sales and understood their beliefs. He likely also took one look the convoluted mess called the Trinity and Jesus being a son of god and likely internally simply went: are you people high?

And his goal was to take monotheism to its roots , its purest form , a straight direct line between man and god, Islamic society was his attempt at mass awakening a bunch of people, almost a utopia of monotheism of sorts. Covering women his attempt at mitigating lust, regular prayer to keep people in god mode all day long, so the men (the ones who had real spiritual power) could awaken as well.

>>40639999 (OP)
Technically, I was supposed to do that type of work as well.

I decided against it.

Humans passed almost every bar. We aren't disappointed or anything, so don't take your civilization's future personally.

This world just needed to exist as it does for a specific interval, to get something else done.

That task is going to be complete this century.
Elevating the individuals of this world another notch up the spiritual ladder is not something that needs intermediaries anymore.
There will be a lateral path for the righteous soon, and the rest will be left to fend for themselves on the world that comes.
No need for prophets. This happens and you all have known for dozens of generations.

Any prophecy I bring is just a reminder, although I am directly involved with the lateral chain, I am not really recommending any for it. You earn it or you don't. My obligation to inform this world is between me and the top. Your grievances are unnecessary.

>>40639999 (OP)

Moses broke the first set of the 10 commandments, because it said to slay all homosexuals. God wants us to know this, but gays keep making sure it is not written down in any religion. So, reluctantly, God spoke to the bi-sexual Mohammed. God is patient. God will punish every gay for abusing children. There will be no forgiveness for that.

>>40643641

Where he went wrong or miscalculated , I really think he underestimated human nature , he would go on to spend a great deal of time trying to weed out hypocrites and and comes up with a bunch of words for different kinds of munafiq types

The final surah in the quran is called what in english?

PEOPLE

And whats written in that surah? Basically a protection request against the whims of man? Im telling you , the dude knew more than anyone gives him credit for and he hid a lot in plain sight

>>40639999 (OP)
Doesn't like a damn large portion of the drama still occuring in the middle east all hinge on whether or not the man fucked a magical 12 year old?
Who gives a shit, the dude was a nutjob

>>40642270
Out of all the shitposts itt i had to call this one out alone. Muhammad was not accepted in Mecca, he was routed out from it and had to win it back. Just because they circumcised you doesn't mean you have to revert to jewish tactics

>>40643614
Yes i agree with you in essence. Remember the shahada goes "Muhammadan is the messrnger of Allah" and not "Muhammad is the messemger". His name is used as an adjective so i know this makes it sound heretical to all the Seal of the Prophets stuff, but reading it out loud and understanding it metaphysically brings to mind allthat "Word made Flesh" sort of stuff

The fact that the Son of God came to us as the last great prophet and saviour in Jesus Christ is the perfect full stop to God asking us to follow him - there's no more to be said or done.

Yet here comes muhammad ~400 years later all 'wait guys theres more'.....only to then not be as impressive or as holy as Jesus, and to conqurer the region in the opposite way that Jesus commanded (Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.) and feebly try to incorporate Jesus into islam in a total contradictory way - denying his own words and divnity, but still proclaiming him a prophet, which makes NO SENSE.....it's too much.

There's no way around it, it's a deception and billions have fallen for it and we need to pray for their souls that they come to Christ; the way, the truth and the life.

>>40643783
So in your head canon God or "Jesymus" (lets be honest to you this is Cesare Borgia) would willingly let billions of people be led astray? Sounds like you are the misguided one.

Muhammad was satanically influenced. He was a pseudo-christ and a warlord.

>>40639999 (OP)

He was an advanced mystic. Advanced mystics can induce prophecy. The biblical prophets did it and there are many European mideval/rennaissance mystics in Judaism and Christianity who would do it as well. The most recent person in Abrahamism who was capable of doing it was Joseph Smith. There are tons of books on how to induce prophecy, written by the mystics who were capable of doing it. Its high level stuff and most people do not have the motivation or discipline to do it and thats what filters them from being able to as the biblical prophets did.

Mohammed was capable of prophecy, that's how adept he was. His prophecy resonated with the Arabs and turned into a movement/religion. If you accept one prophet you have to accept the rest of them, as there is a technique to inducing it and anybody with the drive to do it can.

this lil bro gabriel does not look like my headcanon angel example he looks more like my headcanon satan example
of course cultures and art differ and im not wearing a serious hat

>>40643783
you're just saying this because you happened to be born in a majority christian time period

>>40644003
So born at almost any point in the past 2000 years or so?

>>40643508
You haven't said anything at all.
>>40643641
>He likely believes himself to be correcting where the Christians went wrong, he likely met christians on his travels or sales and understood their beliefs. He likely also took one look the convoluted mess called the Trinity and Jesus being a son of god and likely internally simply went: are you people high?
>And his goal was to take monotheism to its roots , its purest form , a straight direct line between man and god, Islamic society was his attempt at mass awakening a bunch of people, almost a utopia of monotheism of sorts.
Wrong. The Qur'an is christian and uses very precise theological language that is rarely translated correctly.

>>40641158
One of the requirements to be considered a valid prophet under abrahamic rules is that the call to prophecy comes directly from G-d. Baphomet's "angel" in a cave actually disqualifies him at step one.

>>40639999 (OP)
His own child bride didn't believe him & ended up poisoning him, then creating a schism in his cult that lasts to this day.

>>40641512
> Yeah, I know miracles aren't shit since everyone has the ability to "quantum collapse" reality it to whatever they envisions given enough concentration ability, but Jesus was on a whole another level.


wat

>>40644603
>G-d
>let me butcher God's name so that no one can butcher it now
>genius
Opinion discarded.

>>40643814
>Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess 2:9-12)

>>40643702
An-Naas means mankind, it is the last Sarah physically but chronologically it was spoken in Mecca towards the beginning, between the 20th and 25th. Not the last.
Muslims are grasping at straws it's unbelievable.

>>40644583
>rejects trinity
>wants true monotheism
>gives god 99 names
>still indulges in dichotomous esoterism
>good djinns and bad djinns
>angelic nonsense
>obsession with dualistic afterlife
>obsession with satan
>creates man out of a bunch of stuff
>contradicts himself more times than i can count
>guru like behaviours with special exemptions
>slavemaster
>caravan raider
>kiddy diddler
Need i go on?
If he wanted monotheism he sure is bad at it.

>>40644654
That spelling was specifically chosen to upset you

>>40644603
Why would someone Iblis ordains a prophet not be a prophet of God?
Does Iblis not also serve God, just in strange and mysterious ways?

>>40646191
Iblis is not a fallen angel, for angels cannot go against God's will, they are deprived of free will. It's a jinn.
Ibn Kathir even says that iblis is the first jinn like Adam was the first man.

>>40646220
God's will is a lot more complex than you're suggesting.

>>40646750
God's will doesn't affect free will.
Either jinns and men have free will therefore it is for them to "decypher" it and go for or against it, or they don't which would render everything an act of God therefore we are animals.
Woof woof.

>>40639999 (OP)
He probably didn’t exist
His whole story was made up to create a sub-religion beneath Christianity to assist with global control

>>40646787
God has free will, therefore everything has free will.

>>40646871
God doesn't have anything. It is. To grant him titles or human qualities like possession is association. Are you not a monotheist?

The 'god' *pollo lived on the island of Pergamos (Homer's Iliad).
>while *pollo took Aeneas out of the crowd and set him in sacred Pergamos, where his temple stood.

The d*vil lived on the island of Pergamos (Revelation 2:12)
>You did not renounce your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where S*tan lives.

M*hammed was assaulted by the d*vil in a cave where he was grabbed by the neck/shoulders and threatened and ran away to his stupid wife who convinced him to go back and listen.

The first the the d*vil told him was that God doesn't have a son and Jesus wasn't resurrected, thereby taking away the power of the resurrection from billions of people.

*pollo = *pollyon (the angel of the bottomless pit) = the d*vil = s*tan = *llah = the g*d of this world

>>40640317
> Hadith
This word in hebrew speak for itself : all the things to do unto self to be separated from God.

>>40643814
How has God willingly let billions be led astray if He has told us the truth, and revealed His will, through His perfect Son, Jesus Christ?

It's up to us to decide to accept the truth or not, many unfortunately don't:

Matthew 7:13-14
>Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

>Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

>>40646905
There is only one God.
All "human" qualities as you call them are actually God qualities first.
We could not have human qualities if God did not also have them, because this is the very nature of divine connection.

>>40647358
Idolater cope.