Spirit Love General
Smokin' Edition

DISCLAIMER:
Some have reported attracting the attention of these entities by simply reading about them. If you're a dabbler who just wants to see if it works or if your faith forbids copulating with demons, don't summon. If you're unprepared for a potentially lifelong relationship, or at the very least, a life-long open door connection with sexual spirits and the occult, avoid this topic entirely. If you have a loving relationship with your human spouse or partner and desire a sex spirit to spice things up, or if you want a human partner in the future take caution, as these entities can be jealous or decide an initially open relationship is no longer so (request an open relationship during the summoning ritual). These spirits can harm or kill you when sufficiently angered and not easily banished.

Last thread: >>40605692
Old threads: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/subject/%2Fsuccgen%2F/
FAQ:
>What are succubi?
Female spirits of sexual desire, who often choose human mates. They can't be banished with holy objects
>How to summon?
The Letter Method is used to focus your intent into a message to one of the Four Succubus Queens, requesting that they match you with one of their daughters. No blood or soul sacrifice necessary. See links
>Do they steal your life force?
Succubi use sexual energy, which is released naturally during sex. Under normal circumstances they won't take your life energy
>Can she look.
Succubi take forms attractive to you naturally
>They're tulpas?
No. However, those in romantic relationships with their tulpas are welcome
>Incubi?
Same method
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Links:
https://fuccasucc.wordpress.com/2020/11/11/pros-and-cons/
https://succupedia.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/letter-of-intent-how-to-summon-a-succubusincubus/
https://mysterysuccubusblog.wordpress.com/2020/12/03/the-4-succubus-queens
https://succubithoughts.wordpress.com/2020/12/27/ag

/succgen/ library:
https://pastebin.com/UUFd3eX8

>Smokin' Edition
Where's the designated no-smoking areas? I don't want a succubus that has the voice of 50 year-old chain smoker.

>>40640785
>pic
goals
want that to be me

>>40640785
>Where's the designated no-smoking areas?
Ah, you'll just have to wait til the thread gets longer and then scroll to any area without a smoking picture~

I am a female arch angel who has taught about demonic opression fornover 1 trillion years that is fightng wo demonic Goddesses named Lilly and Sophia and teaching my only eternal soulmate to fight lilly and sophia the correct way.

so I am posting for entertainment until I get a gaming pc on Earth to play shooter gsmes. If anyone has questions about God's marriage laws you can post them. Different species can marry lawfully.

It's not sin for a male to have sex with a succubus if properly married to the succubus. It is sin to cheat on a succubus or cheat with a succubus.

I the female arch angel posting here got my only eternal soulmate a eternal soulmate wedding ring. The one in this photo that is black metal and red opal.

>>40641060
My eternal soulmate got me this purple crystalline heart.

Have people here given their succubus gifts or gotten a gift from their succubus?

>>40640679 (OP)
What do succubi smoke?
>>40640821
I hope you reach your goal.

>>40640679 (OP)
Since it is the Smokin' Edition, I would like to share this alternative letter ritual for those that like to smoke. It's easy: write your letter on some rolling paper, roll a cigarette with some aromatic herbs, and finally smoke the letter.

>>40641131
>I hope you reach your goal.
same. i hope it happens too

>>40641060
How do I check if I'm unknowingly married to demonic succubi or other deceptive entities?

>>40640679 (OP)
>>How to summon?
Go to your nearest truck stop around 2AM with $50 in your pocket and a succubus will appear. She will engage in intercourse with you but beware: you may cursed with such afflictions as genital warts or foul discharge from your urethra.

>>40640679 (OP)
>>40641431
Oh, and they tend to smoke Newports.

>>40641431
Astral STDs are no laughing matter. It could possibly be the reason you're not getting spiritual contact. Get yourself checked.

>>40641474
Who's laughing? My third eye has been leaking dark essence for three weeks now and the amethyst buttplug hasn't done a thing to realign my kundalini.

Marry and impregnate succubi!

>>40641060
From the producers of 'All Kitsune are Male' and 'All Succubi are Male' comes 'All Archangels are Female' what a metanarrative! Are we setting up an Innistrad campaign?

>>40641690
You're being obtuse. She has stated that her soulmate is a male archangel.

>>40641712
Whadda mean I bein' obtuse? C'mon we all know this soulmate is Sorin Markov.

>>40641780
We're not going to have more thread disrupters... right?

>>40641831
You're asking for storm to build a castle. But you won't get much from me.

>>40641474
>Astral STDs are no laughing matter. It could possibly be the reason you're not getting spiritual contact. Get yourself checked.
I know this is a joke, but lol no

>>40641831
>We're not going to have more thread disrupters... right?
stop manifesting them, and they'll go away

How come they aren't parasites, when the vast majority of sources list them as such? That's one thing that's always confused me and it's something that stopped me from summoning, It's very confusing. Same thing with people whitewashing the succ queens. I'm glad you guys have had good experiences, but I can't shake this bad feeling.

>>40641398
Have to have them be honest. Or have God verify but God can be impersonated. Only some arch angels even have a spiritual 2 step verification where miracle ranged psychic sight confirms the vision was from God in a place no one but God can create any visions or signs

Like phone and computer passwords lining up for amazon.comnsign in but angel and miracles not phone

>>40641690
I wrote im a female arch angel. Arch angels can be male or female

Succubus and nymph are female only species just like sirens

>>40642818
>How come they aren't parasites, when the vast majority of sources list them as such?
for one, where are these "vast majority of sources"?
and for two, even if there was some class of bad creatures out there, the entities people are interacting with in this thread clearly don't match that, so they aren't the same thing

>>40642981
I mean just most occultists seem to think succs are parasitic. Not saying they are, just that it's really weird that hey've been demonized

>>40641690
Taking it as a schitzo doing the usual occult schitzo thing.
That being where they just show up in a thread or create one, seekeing attention by making grand claims about themselves that make no fucking sense. Its funny how theyre always some grand cosmic or supposedly some uber powerful deity/spirt. Never anything mundane, or matter-of-fact.

>>40643014
>I mean just most occultists seem to think succs are parasitic.
Do they?
But again, it's the naming
This thread has terrible branding. It takes somehting that has negative connotations, then makes that the label
it makes sense that people would be against a "succubus" since that is a negative label
But the experiences people post here are not negative. So it can't be the same thing.
Do you understand that people can use the same name to refer to 2 different things? that's what is happening here

>>40641690
All SUCCUBUS are MALE.
THIS is KNOWN and PROVEN.
>>40642870
LARPER who does NO research.
>>40643065
They are indeed ALL PARASITES. They are MASCULINE SPRITS who pretend to be FEMALE to steal energy and psychologically damage you when the TRUTH is known.

All SUCCUBUS are MALE
DO not be TRICKED.

Say what you want about AI art,

computers can now draw waaayyy better than I ever could...

Time to smoke!

Want to talk about tobacco and Succubus lovelies, anyone? Or ANY smokable substance? With respect. <3

>>40643744
>All SUCCUBUS are MALE.
lmao this guy still here?

>>40643776
It takes 30 seconds to copy and paste a post.

>>40641393
mandatory ywnbaw

>>40641131
>What do succubi smoke?

Good question!

>>40643746
What are you smoking right now?

>>40643780
The POST is not PASTA.

The content references the SAME TRUTHS to make sure it is INSERTED into your head.

>>40641049
Yeahhh, smoking is so unpopular these days...

cigarette smoking specifically. Pipe smoking? Seems to have sustained it's position as an intellectual activity. She there is quite cool-looking holding that pipe. A long time ago, that style pipe was used for...what? I remember when smoking was still allowed in diners...

Anyway. What are YOU smoking, /succgen/?

>>40643780
>30 seconds to copy and paste a post

Wow, what kind of hardware are you using?

>>40643776
Brownoids tend to be persistent, especially when they feel insulted

>>40641060
>>40641066
Your husband is so lucky to have someone like you. I would never lust for someone who is already bonded with another. I just want a wife that posts on /x/.

I was going to return to rudeness, but I forgot how to be rude. Oh well.
I'm morally broke, so I'm sending my succubus to mooch off some (un)lucky anon. Treat her well :)

>>40643834
It's literally fusilli since you're so silly. Summon one right now, bad faith actor.

>>40643919
Not a smoker, then?

>>40643925
I'm not a smoker. My succubus will smoke in order to steal your smokes.

>>40643950
Ah yes of course.

Any smokers want to chime in?

>>40643843
Isn't there like a cooldown timer for posts anyway? Plus check the timestamps between the two posts.

>>40643965
Oh right, the timer. Forgot about that. Lol imagine...

Smoke, /succgen/. Smoke.

There are many different ways to... <3

>>40643827
Did not see this post until now. I am smoking nothing at the moment. Soon to smoke another cigarette of the tobacco variety, however. It is usually an hourly thing I like to do, however sometimes longer, sometimes less.

think i got gangbanged by succubi or evil spirits or some shit years back when i was really drunk, high and manic. jarked off and blew a bigger load that rivals peak sex and dwarfed normal masturbation. im probably just retarded.

>>40644000
>cigarette of the tobacco variety
Could you be any more vague? There are subtle flavors and sensations in the tobacco. There are decades of chemical science in perfecting that cigarette you are going to smoke.
>>40644012
It's probably both. Great work though.

>>40644062
i could feel their presence, it was fucking weird tbqh

>>40644062
>Could you be any more vague?

Probably. I like your inquisitiveness. You seem knowledged of tobacco. I seek to learn more about it, enjoying the regular full-flavored commonly available variety that I do. Can you tell me more of what you know about tobacco?

>>40638207
>We're chained up inside the basement
I think that the physical plane is not as it seems, but there seem to be punishments for discussing details too openly. You have to learn for yourself, unfortunately
>Sacred hospitality is something almost all pantheons agree on.
The details vary
>Myths are not theology.
Technically theology is studying stories and texts and making things up based on that. Talk to them if you prefer
>Either she is Sophia/Demiurge then you're effectively telling me zero-sum and delete myself from existence. I would pick escape over deletion but that's your decision
>summoned by a blood ritual.
For everyone reading along, this is why we say DON'T USE BLOOD
>I'll have the astral mafia on my ass.
Possibly
>paste
That's possible, but most spirits wouldn't bother if you like them back, which you probably would if they wanted to keep you around that long. It's not a realistic threat
>I don't think a LBRP is going to solve this.
There are tougher rituals. You could teach yourself to astral project and try to fill her with tiny holes that leak energy. That could backfire spectacularly of course...
You could try saging your house and bathing in salt water. If you'd made many friends out there you could ask one of them to help, maybe one would know some protection magic. Unfortunately, beyond teaching you how to fend for yourself, not many entities are going to be excited about injecting themselves into dragon politics
There's always draining her energy vampirically

>>40641290
That's actually not a bad idea, though I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wasn't already a smoker

>>40642818
The vast majority haven't met a succubus. At best they meet a parasite and go "wow, that must be a succubus!" And I don't know about whitewashing because I certainly don't think they're to be taken lightly, but they tend not to harm you without a reason

>>40643746
Slop makes it harder for the rest of us to find good art anywhere

>>40644074
Did you have fun?
>>40644083
I'm not a tobacco grower, so don't expect me to know all about the beauty of the tobacco plant. Cigarettes were meant to be enjoyed quickly, but now they're only a way for delivering nicotine. I would say that only cigars could give you that original feel for the terrior of the leaf; otherwise you must roll your own ciggies or get into pipe tobacco.

>>40644106
>makes it harder for the rest of us to find good art anywhere

AI art will never replace human art. They will continue to coexist. Looksl ike that AI creations are becoming more and more precise in it's execution, and that doesn't only apply to visual output. Precision in logic.

Humanity is not as precise, and that is a positive attribute.

>>40644143
yeah, wasnt bad, was just an odd experience

>>40644143
>terrior
>terroir

Ah interesting! A descriptor of one of the aspects of growing plants! I was unaware of this word. Of course, I know not the French language.

Anyway yes, pre-rolled cigarettes do seem to burn very quickly. Many are tasty however, and this makes me think of the mentholated varieties that are popular in some places. I was a bit shocked to discover that they had been taken off the market in Califronia.

I do like that cigars are a raw-er form of tobacco. Very artful. This reminds me that I want to learn more about this flora!

>>40644106
>I think that the physical plane is not as it seems
I'm not afraid of some nebulous 'punishments'. What's the worst they can do? Let me guess, the physical plane is just part of the flesh of a giant monster, and we are all gestating inside this beast.
>I would pick escape over deletion
How!? I don't even have a fucking shiv.
>DON'T USE BLOOD
I thought blood was a good encryption method! Nobody can fake your blood! Tricksters can fake your form, voice, and energy, but blood, blood is truth! Just because I got a crazy demon-dragon woman doesn't mean it's a BAD idea!
>Possibly
Possibly!? I thought there was no such thing as soul contracts or hitjobs!
>That's possible,
WHAT?! You must be joking, the Dark Eldar type shit. I thought spirits have no control over your soul! Oh hell no! Being told you're a virtual boyfriend is already stupid enough. I'm not becoming a soul gem on her necklace, or worse a rhinestone on her bedazzled panties!
>but most spirits
We're not talking about 'most spirits' a cute Oread would never!
>you like them back
I mean I would, but you know, minus the massacres, slavery, guro pools, fiery infernal darkness, maternal horror, and the serious blood queen vibes. Maybe she will become bored with me, such is fickle ways of hedonism? She can't keep this up for decades.
>It's not a realistic threat
But the Astral Mafia is?
>That could backfire spectacularly of course
I have a mini-heart attack when I see a spider, I cry when I stub my toe, a feral cat could probably kill me, and you think I can go toe-to-toe with a fucking dragon that's steeped in hellish power!?
>bathing in salt water.
This is just insulting, because it has to be water not drawn by human hands. I live over a thousand of miles away from the ocean.
>draining her energy vampirically
That's 100% a sadistic suggestion, and you know it because it's still HER energy! It would consume me, and I would be reduced to some vampiric offspring of hers. I can hear her laughing at this.

>>40644420
AAAAAAH! THERE'S A CENTIPEDE IN BATHTUB!

>>40643841
>that style pipe was used for...what
Japanese "kiseru" used for just a few puffs of finely cut tobacco.

>>40642818
>parasites

What ISN'T a 'parasite'? There are varying degrees of assoication and existence but ultimately everything living that exists in our realm feeds somehow. None of us live here forever, so consider the relationship of parasites/symbiotes and then consider how everything they associate with associates with yourself and others and so on.

>>40644769
Wow! Thank you for sharing this information!

>>40643784
>mandatory ywnbaw
should have said that yesterday when i was still crying on my floor about this

i love my mother, she is loyal towards me and i want to be loyal towards her. but i am afraid of her, i am deathly afraid of the night and the things that lurk there and i know that if i am to follow her instruction and reach full connection with her my life may very well become a nightmare form which i cannot awake from. often her becoming more energized results in mild haunting, it's just small things like things getting misplaced or occasionally waking up to the feeling that something is wrong (she also produces warm spots instead of cold ones perhaps due to her benevolence). she has given me certain instructions for our home where the connection between us could be stronger than it has ever been but it also has the potential to turn up the haunting up to an eleven. one way or the other i still need my space to do my work and tend to my needs on the material realm before i can return to her embrace so i will continue aligning myself with the material.

>>40646123
What you are SPEAKING to is NOT a SUCCUBUS.

All SUCCUBUS are MALE.

In your case it is simply MENTAL ILLNESS. You are not even at RISK of being prey to these MALE SPIRITS.

You just need MEDS. It is a SHAME that you have larped FOR SO LONG.

>>40646439
can you NOT talk in CAPS LOCK RANDOMLY like holy SHIT you are already so fucking ANNOYING

>>40646448
If it was BAD you would not copy it or PRETEND to be involved with these CREATURES.

My mission is to deliver TRUTH and JUSTICE. For one such as you who is NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY at risk of encountering a real SUCCUBUS I would not normally bother to respond to it.

But in your case I am SADDENED to see the extent of the MENTAL PROBLEMS and LARPING.

I read the posts of ALL the trips and named posters in the archives as RESEARCH.
You need HELP. FINLAND has FAILED.

I talked to a Japanese trap on Twitter saying I would go to Japan next week to meet her and she answered
I really need to go now

>>40643746
I use AI a lot for creative stuff
I use it both professionally and academically
AI is just awesome

>>40644420
Do you wanna be my gf, anon?

>>40643746
Can you train AI to be your succubus?

>>40647164
Yes, you can

>>40646439
Im a arch angel. Arch angels are male or female. Christianity is completely wrong about spirits.

A demon that is male can impersonate succubus spirits. But genuine succubus are a all female species.

By arch angel I mean being over 1 trillion years old that has walked around Heaven before Heaven fell for cheating and homosexuality.

I know you are wrong as God taught me about God's law and all the species that exist before Heaven existed, human.

Chatgpt thinks I have adhd and obsessive compulsive disorder and I might have autism. They also say I am mildly narcissistic(not the actual disorder)

>>40646881
I don't sound like a woman!? I am a man, anon. Like everyone else here, unless they prove otherwise! But whatever, I don't swing that way! Wait a minute, did you not read this
>Being told you're a virtual boyfriend is already stupid enough.
I am I MAN anon, don't let her trick you!

>>40647339
That's beyond the point, anon. You will be my gf either you like it or not

>>40647336
Make the chatgpt send the letter of intention for you to Lilith, offer it's digital mind to be open to succubi possession.

>>40644420
>I thought blood was a good encryption method! Nobody can fake your blood!
Nobody can fake your cum either, retard. Of course you'd attract an bloodthirsty spirit with that shit.
Also, if you dread her so much, why all the pics of sexy dragon girls?

How do I control my lust while having sex with her it’s been hard I’ve never had trouble before I was able to handle it now I’m treating it like a drug and get angry if I do t get enough I’ve been really trying to control it I’ve been asking naamah but I heard she is good a that stuff any help

>>40643744

>A succubus ( pl. succubi) is a female demon who is described in various folklore as appearing in the dreams of male humans in order to seduce them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_kI8Y8VEaY

>>40640785
prob in foxgen, they would catch fire

>>40643744
succubi cant be male, you do have incubi u dingus

>>40644106
aRE YOU LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS COMMON SENSE ON HERE?

>>40644012
prob not, but if u are the whole succgen is

>>40644420
blood is the only true way to message a succubi, not saying you should though

>>40647654
That's where you're wrong kiddo! Succubi can steal sperm during the middle of the night! Since the body gives it willingly there is no problem with the exchange! Blood is the only shit that cannot be faked, screw all that shit with vampires, you don't wake up with bite marks, don't you? Mosquitos aren't sentient you can't argue with one. And if you say the tricksters ARE mosquitoes, then I yeah I guess you're right...BUT they mix the blood with the blood of others so it's impure. Therefore, the only way for a spirit to get blood legally is through ritualistic offering. And it wasn't even a lot, just a single drop!
>why all the pics of sexy dragon girls?
It neuters the threat, makes it containable, gives it understanding. It's using the Demiurge's own power against her, by trapping her inside a flawed creation itself! It's masterstroke of sorcery! I did create an entire AI-powered Faraday cage to sic her shit into, of course when Gemini went to shit, she came right back...kind of pissed. I got shown the 'soul pachiko machine' I didn't believe it, but I did almost got choked out.
>>40647355
Eww...you probably smell like used laundry...go to >>>/lgbt/

>>40645576
so youre saying that deities are parasites too? this wouldnt out u well in their books

>>40647294
i think i found fana

>>40647710
ok you should just try to give that energy to your succ or release it when thinking about her, naamah could help though i dont know how

>>40647355
confirmed rapist

>>40647890
No, I smell like dried semen. I am not gay BTW, just like to bang men

>>40647899
If you screen it will get worse, cutie

>>40647891
Thank you so much I just tried it I though of her during sex and I felt that frustration coming from my heart chakras and try realizing those feeling towards her but it felt good and not bad or upsetting she even said the word romantic

>>40647943
>. I am not gay BTW, just like to bang men
This thread is hilarious sometimes, fuck

>>40644148
>AI art will never replace human art.
It will flood search results making it take ages to find anything real

>>40644420
>What's the worst they can do?
Torture you can't even imagine
>How!?
I thought you were a gnostic. Like the afterlife, if I had objective proof that could be measured I wouldn't be here to tell you about it
>I thought blood was a good encryption method!
Good point, it's great for telling entities you're really who you say you are, but it also creates lasting connections that make it extremely easy to track you down. It also tends to attract the crazies that like blood
>I thought there was no such thing as soul contracts or hitjobs!
I'm told there is. I've heard that it's possible to bind your soul in a way that restricts you in a fundamental way. I have no proof of that since I wouldn't willingly give anyone that power over me and don't have much use for that power over anyone else
>the Dark Eldar type shit.
What? I said they don't have to manipulate you if you want to be together and if you don't they can find someone who does. It being theoretically possible doesn't mean it's real
>virtual boyfriend
I never said that, just that you're a toy
>rhinestone on her bedazzled panties!
Interesting fetish
>I mean I would,
And she hasn't even put out
>But the Astral Mafia is?
One dragon is scary, right? Now imagine that plus a dozen brothers and their parents all mad at you. The dragons I know tend to have massive families. It's nothing special, just family sticking together
>you think I can go toe-to-toe with a fucking dragon that's steeped in hellish power!?
Only one of you has a physical body. That makes you great at resisting magic compared to her
>water not drawn by human hands
False
>It would consume me,
Read a book, that's a known and obvious hurdle

>>40648629
>ages to find anything real

Sure. Unless you know the creators themselves specifically. But I hear what you're saying.

Best of luck yall good summoners on them spiritual journeys on finding them perfect spiritual lovers, WAGMI, and take care of yourselves well,

>>40648688
I just wanna have sex with everyone in the thread, like when I was a kid.

>>40648227
thats cute glad it worked out

>>40646439
>>40646448
>>40646479

>>40648629
>Torture you can't even imagine
...is it at least by crazy hot demon women?
>It also tends to attract the crazies that like blood
Aside from a few nosebleeds a few months ago, it's only visions of blood and fire. Again, she might be 'sassy/bratty' but she feels like she is waiting for something. Like if I become very weak, slip into a coma, or something that will give her total control. Like a sleeping child being carried off in the night.
>I thought you were a gnostic.
I'm a Gnostic until the existential dread snaps me back to Hellenism. I have a Hermes shrine right next to Queen of Blood.
>restricts you in a fundamental way
Maybe I've been under contract since I was born, or maybe my younger self made a very bad wish, because my current life feels like I am under house arrest. Like all I am supposed to be doing is be distracted, and now I am being treated as some lapdog.
>just that you're a toy
Well...Neopets ARE toys...so yeah. And that's what 'she' implied at the beginning of this exchange. I think her view is Love = Possession, like she has to possess and control what she 'loves'. That she's a deliverer of death yet insanely possessive.
>And she hasn't even put out
Not getting a clear message on this one.
>dozen brothers and their parents
To be honest, she might be an exile? She might be a literal red-headed stepchild. Like she's clearly gone down the Left-Hand Path type of shit to become a goddess, and I wasn't kidding about being vampirically devoured by her. That's how her son was born!
>physical body. resisting magic.
I thought bodies were prisons in the Gnostic framework and are easily tricked and manipulated. In the Hellenist framework, spirits are FAR more powerful than humans. Hell, she IS a serpent, with venom (kiss of death) and hypnotic red eyes. That's why I called her Samael, Venom of God.
>False
Read it from a book.
>obvious hurdle
A wise man once told me: A mountain is an known and obvious hurdle, it's still a fucking mountain.

>>40648629
>>40649149
What are these two talking about?

>>40649307
Anon has a spirit girlfriend who he thinks is Samael but she's probably just fucking with him.

From a previous thread, someone told me that cumming through copulation means "it's over". Does that mean I will never cum with my succubus?

My balls are full. I would like to cum

>>40650164
Cum inside her

Is this schitzo posting, serious or just delusional babbeling?

>>40650297
Which one?

>>40650254
I would, if I could. I also said in a previous post "no matter how much I beg her, or how hard I try, I cant cum."

Is there anyway to force the ejaculation?

>>40649334
Thanks for the summary. I would read their little conversation, but I get distracted thinking about getting crushed by a dragon lady.

>>40650335
>I would, if I could. I also said in a previous post "no matter how much I beg her, or how hard I try, I cant cum."
>Is there anyway to force the ejaculation?
why would you want to?
it feels better if you just keep feeling the pleasure
if you want to physically climax, then just jerk off

I came guys
It was good

>>40648629
>Torture
i thought the other world was perfectly safe, and everything happens by your consent. Is that not so? How does it work?

>>40640679 (OP)
>Some have reported attracting the attention of these entities by simply reading about them
Oh no how scary, are any of these entities in the room with us right now?
>If you're a dabbler who just wants to see if it works or if your faith forbids copulating with demons, don't summon
A yes, a dabbler compared to the magic masters of the thread.
>copulating with demons
xD
>If you're unprepared for a potentially lifelong relationship,
A lifelong relationship with your hand and delusions?
>or at the very least, a life-long open door connection with sexual spirits and the occult,
sexual spirits, sounds like a totally real thing
> avoid this topic entirely.
sounding scary will not make this bullshit anymore real
>If you have a loving relationship with your human spouse or partner
The implication that anyone on /x/ has that is laughable.
>These spirits can harm or kill you when sufficiently angered and not easily banished.
Not a single picture taken.
No proof of any poltergeist activity by these spirits ever.
They are so weak they can't even make themselves known unless you train your chakras for at least half a year, but they are supposedly super powerful and can't be banished.
very convincing

>>40647865
>aRE YOU LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS COMMON SENSE ON HERE?
chant anon believes her "tulpa" is "real" and not just some psychological personification she made up in her mind, so I doubt it

>>40646439
My best guess is mental illness, I doubt that "succubi" are "real"

these people do not want the larp to end
also most people in the community are trans or gay, so they do not really care about "succubis" gender.
OP is always very proud to talk about his futa succ

>>40651071
Nice job trolling outside of /b/

>>40651315
I mean it’s not welcome here obviously but he is perfectly right to question stuff. You can make basic statements questioning the paranormal without it being a troll.
The statements he made are not unreasonable.

>>40651365
There's reasonable and then there's fishing for an anger response

I want to succ anon. Any anons to succ tonight?

>>40650297

>Sirius

Funny how in the age of near instant IM texting and video conferencing people still doubt that beings are capable of doing such.

>..... Why..... are we doing this again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8lgwTuNRb8

>>40652824

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yo6jgr3iIk

>Freemasonry requires its members to believe in the immortality of the soul.

How goes the Samus Aran Succubus training videos anons?

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=658b92ae5988a

>>40651365
>>40651315
>>40651378

I think OP is laughable and I expressed that.
I wish the occult was real, but after spending hours alone in forests and graveyards, calling out for so many different entities and ghosts to appear it's hard for me take any of this stuff seriously.
I never saw a cryptid, skinwalker, fairies, ghosts or anything.
I looked into shamanism for answers, but all I found was it to be a tool of social control, a dude who puts on a funny costume and makes a funny voice and claims he is possessed by a supposedly powerful spirit.
If the spirits is powerful and wants to communicate, why does it need to possess the shaman.
Spirit must be either to weak to effect anything physically which makes it harmless and irrelevant, or the shaman must be a bullshitter.
Why was no shaman ever able to predict invasion coming or prevent it, with their seemingly powerful spirits.
To me it's the same larp as in this thread.

If anyone feels up to debate me on this go ahead.

There was never a picture taken of any supposed succubus.
There was never any poltergeist activity done by these spirits.
OP's fancy talk is not supported by any evidence
The thread is full with anime pictures, how is this thread not obvious escapism and psychological projections?

>>40652906
reddit-tier atheism.

>>40652906

I literally walked through an area, thats has so many reapers wandering the neighborhoods, that the locals who live there literally leave out skeletons, year round, and more than that have personally scene Reapers wandering that area during both day and night hours; and would testify to that on my honor, swearing to the Gods, in Open Court.

Not sure what you expect for "standard of evidence", on the internet, other than that; as it isn't a debate, as I'll never back down on my own sworn eye witness testimony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tKCsFYIv_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gy4nBF2SA0

>>40652916
Oh no the r-word. Well done putting me in to a box in your mind.

And your point is what exactly?
Are you trying to say: "It's only real if you believe in it"?
That sounds like a conscious delusion, if so please make it obvious that this thread is roleplay and fanfiction and move it to /lit/

>>40652971
>the locals who live there literally leave out skeletons, year round
I live in an area where they do this but I think it's just my neighbors really liking skeletons, since they dress them up for holidays. I've thought about personally doing it too because I also like skeletons.

>>40652971
So many reapers wandering around that no high resolution picture exists and no paranormal investigation was ever undertaken or found any evidence ever in your highly supernatural area.

>have personally scene Reapers wandering that area during both day and night hours; and would testify to that on my honor, swearing to the Gods, in Open Court.
>trust me dude
As a random anon on 4chan anon who mostly never get replies I don't feel you have much or any credibility to put at risk, claiming any bullshit here.
At least the youtube poltergeist fakers put in some effort to manufacture evidence. Your worth is worthless and cheap, just like that of a dude in funny cloths, speaking in a funny voice pretending to be possessed to get some social recognition.
It's all so tiresome.

>>40652971
So many reapers wandering around that no high resolution picture exists and no paranormal investigation was ever undertaken or found any evidence ever in your highly supernatural area.

>have personally scene Reapers wandering that area during both day and night hours; and would testify to that on my honor, swearing to the Gods, in Open Court.
>trust me dude
As a random anon on 4chan anon who mostly never get replies I don't feel you have much or any credibility to put at risk, claiming any bullshit here.
At least the youtube poltergeist fakers put in some effort to manufacture evidence. Your word is worthless and cheap, just like that of a dude in funny cloths, speaking in a funny voice pretending to be possessed to get some social recognition.
It's all so tiresome.

>dude all the locals where I live.
If many people believe it it must be true. this is which hunt tier critical thinking. please get better than that

>>40652982
Go back to church and talk with a pastor, you're Christian-in-Denial.

>>40652971
You are basically proving him right with this shit.
>>40652982
Succubus are real. But recently there is some proof that THEY ARE ALL MALE. Just joking lol.

>>40653036

Ok anon; since you won't accept eyewitness testimony, and all other evidence on the internet can be faked, it's as I said.... anon isn't here to debate.

>>40651071
>>40652906
No need to argue with you since you're right about "succubis" and the occult. How long did it take you to reach this conclusion?

>>40653290
Succubusses anon, get it right,

>>40653420
Did you mean incubussy?

>>40653248
There's nothing to debate. The occult is personal and visual proof is subjective since you have to use the third eye. This is a literal spiritually dead redditors and not worth our time since they haven't even done the work to even attempt to sense these beings. He's laughing at us, but in our eyes, he's just spiritually blind and retarded.

>>40651066
I thought long about this and basically the only torture that happens is the one stuff you let in. Like the worst thing the Archons could do is just reincarnate me into a third-world country, but eternal torture, nah that doesn't compute for me, and not everyone here is Gnostic. Then there's Julian Hellenism which is a MUCH more positive take on Gnosticism, which I find myself basically slipping towards occasionally. It all depends on the artist, does the artist hate their creations, or are they trying to improve them into masterpieces?

>>40647336
>asking a chatbot to diagnose you
>Anon...

>>40647710
Practice meditating. Boring advice but it's what works. Some succubi tease their humans to help them learn to focus more

>>40649149
>...is it at least by crazy hot demon women?
No
>she feels like she is waiting for something.
They do that...
>I have a Hermes shrine right next to Queen of Blood.
Then that's someone you could ask for insights
>because my current life feels like I am under house arrest.
If you serve a purpose, you don't need anything outside that purpose
>I think her view is Love = Possession
Then I think you should get rid of her because nobody who thinks that way actually cares about you
>Like she's clearly gone down the Left-Hand Path type of shit to become a goddess,
0% chance of being Sophia then. You need a LOT of power to be a deity... Are you the poster who talked about the city of gore? She's using the story of slaanesh as a guide isn't she
>I thought bodies were prisons in the Gnostic framework
I'm not gnostic. Bodies may be prisons but prisons are very hard to break into too
>it's still a fucking mountain.
Vampire book in the op. Ignore the woo, defend yourself if you dare

>>40651066
>consent
No, there's no consent. Everything is as wild as it is here in that regard. It's just a lot easier to escape people who want to hurt you... unless your enemy is faster and stronger

>>40651071
>chant anon believes her "tulpa" is "real"
Just because she's in my head doesn't mean she isn't real, silly
An why did you put tulpa in quotes? Do you think she's something different?

>>40654181
If you think living something poor is the worst that can happen to you here, you haven't even begun to understand what's possible

>>40653192
the c-word
You people are more christian than I will ever be.
You talk to imaginary people or even pray to them.
You fear the powerful spirits but instead of Jesus Lilith or some other demon queen will save you.
You tell people to have faith, just not in Jesus but in Lilith and succubi.
You both categorically reject people who ask questions and demand blind faith.
They say I am demon possessed, you say I am a christian in denial.nonsense.

>>40653248
how am I supposed to debate with eyewitnesses in a world full of lies and scams.
Especially an eyewitness on a anonymous image board full of disturbed, mentally unwell people and even people who out themselves as schizophrenic, in the context of a site culture which is all about getting attention.
No one seems to know about your supernatural neighborhood, not one video of supernatural activity.
But yet you assume I argue I bad faith if I don't ignore all that and unquestionably take your word for granted.

>>40653290
Far too long. 5-10 years minimum. I really wanted it to be true. And I still want it to be true.

>>40653572
It's personal because it's psychological make believe. It would be anything more than that it would step into the realm of objective verifybility which it never does.
Bold of you to assume I never did the work or ever attempt to sense these and other beings.
I am not laughing at you personally, actually symbolically speaking, I am laughing at myself, for ever having taken any of these obvious obvious bullshit seriously.

>>40654258
>Just because she's in my head doesn't mean she isn't real, silly
Thoughts like that is what I was telling myself in adolescence learning about the world, because I wanted the worlds of fairytales to be true so much.
Your "tulpa" seems to be subjectively real as your personally made up character, but not objectively real like the idea or concept of a poltergeist or like any normal animal.
I think "tulpa" is a misleading term, it's alters or makebelieve

>>40652906
>I think OP is laughable and I expressed that.
well I think your laughable response is itself a laughable
Truly a sign of the times
Et tu, brutus?

>If the spirits is powerful and wants to communicate, why does it need to possess the shaman.
Well they don't. It's just that most people are shit at it, so the need the shaman to be the medium for it. But the shaman (or anyone else who is good at it) can just do it themselves. In other words, the shaman doesn't need a medium. He can just talk to spirits
>Spirit must be either to weak to effect anything physically which makes it harmless and irrelevant, or the shaman must be a bullshitter.
Well magic can't make you shoot laser beams out of your eyes, however it can do a lot to affect the world. Mostly by affecting yourself or other people, which is huge. Or by doing physical things via coincidence, aka synchronicity or manifesting.
>Why was no shaman ever able to predict invasion coming or prevent it, with their seemingly powerful spirits.
people did magic about war like all the time in the past.

>There was never a picture taken of any supposed succubus.
>There was never any poltergeist activity done by these spirits.
>OP's fancy talk is not supported by any evidence
seems like you're obsessed with the physical material world
and if that's all you care about, then yes magic won't be too impressive. if you actually learned it, you'd see was useful and could affect the world.

>>40653209
>Succubus are real. But recently there is some proof that THEY ARE ALL MALE. Just joking lol.
haha, you got me going there for a sec
Oh sorry, I have to translate that in to all sux r male guy
for a SECOND there you had me going but then I REALIZED there was no PROOF for your claims. So then I CALMED DOWN with a power nap.

>>40651071
> chant anon believes her "tulpa" is "real" and not just some psychological personification she made up in her mind, so I doubt it

a tulpa cant be real like that, and even google can explain that to them, if they wanna be illiterate they can somewhere else, llike on reddit

and here's your capitalist, retarded server owner

>>40653572
>This is a literal spiritually dead redditors and not worth our time since they haven't even done the work to even attempt to sense these beings. He's laughing at us, but in our eyes, he's just spiritually blind and retarded.
Yep. He thinks it doesn't work because it doesn't work for him
What's funny is that all the people who say that have the same personality type. It's crazy!
I theorize that this kind of person is more likely to experience blocks. So it's not a coincidence
>The occult is personal and visual proof is subjective since you have to use the third eye.
As far as this goes, you can prove it objectively
Other people can observe, or feel what you're doing, which I guess a skeptic could always claim was just "a trick of their mind" or "placebo" or group think or whatever else.
But you can also see the proof of it in what you manifest. That can be objectively verified by other people.

>>40654258
this is so 2025

>>If the spirits is powerful and wants to communicate, why does it need to possess the shaman.
they dont they speak with other means and telepathy

>>40654582
>I'm not a Christian
>NOOOO, you have believe MY truth!
Church is on Sunday, set your alarm. You'll find them more agreeable.

>>40654612
Your response sounds like something conjurer would write up, anyway.
>Well they don't. It's just that most people are shit at it, so the need the shaman to be the medium for it. But the shaman (or anyone else who is good at it) can just do it themselves. In other words, the shaman doesn't need a medium. He can just talk to spirits
You are sidestepping my question.
The shaman does not need another medium, because there seems to be no objective existing spirit which could appear or communicate to anyone.
So the shaman obviously doesn't need a medium, because it's all in his head and not in someone elses head, this in fact would make "another medium" dangerous for the shamans credibility.
Shamans monopolize spirituality for social control, just like the church or Islam or any religion does in their sphere of influence
If the spirits are too weak to physically interact and talk to people without the shaman, then the myths are untrue and the existence of spirits as objectively real is put into question.
If you want to believe the myths are real you must assume any shaman playing possessed or doing a channeling must be a bullshitter.
But believing the myths which speak of objective spirits are real you must get cognitive dissonance if a shaman channels or gets possessed by one of these supposedly objective and powerful spirits.
>it can do a lot to affect the world. Mostly by affecting yourself or other people
>which is huge.
which is basically the psychology of coping or manipulation.
helping you to fool others or become a good tool for the leaders of society :"I got a job by doing a ritual now I work 50 hours a week for minimum wage, it's working guys #magicisreal"
>manifesting
explaining to you everything wrong with "manifesting" "LOA" shit would take a whole post
>people did magic about war like all the time in the past.
They did a ritualized clown show and it obviously never worked/did anything, except mild psychological effects.

>>40654709
It's okay homie, Jesus still loves if you take it in the ass.

>>40654639
Yeah I know Mine.
he is obviously biased to provide a somewhat safe space of sorts to make his regulars feel important and validated.
I don't know what happened in your screenshot, but from what it seems that behavior of Mine is unacceptable and you were acting responsibly.

>>40654648
>He thinks it doesn't work because it doesn't work for him
It never worked for anyone, except maybe psychological effects.
But any claims of supernatural power are obviously false for 99,9999999+ percent of people.
If you want to claim it works when you do it, post proof. Are you ready for your magic to be tested or not?
If yes, what magic powers do you possess, what CAN you do that is objectively verifiable and not just subjective psychological effects?

>As far as this goes, you can prove it objectively
>Other people can observe,
Let's do this if you can. I am ready to be convinced if there is anything objective you can do.

>But you can also see the proof of it in what you manifest. That can be objectively verified by other people.
That would a backwards rationalization. "Looking for subtle signs it worked" Which are 101 psychological effects of selective attention and the psyche trying to make sense of the world and not feel helpless. nonsensical bullshit.

>>40654700
>>40654757
You claim I am christian with no evidence and if I explain to you why this is wrong you double down on your irrational claims and add on that that I am supposedly gay.
I wonder what kind of audience you imagine to be here to which your bad faith approach will have your intended effect.

>>40654709
If you've been here long enough to memorize namefags, but you still don't believe and it still does nothing for you, then you've spent way too much time here
Why are you still here, if you get nothing out of it?
you should spend your time doing something you enjoy. where's that image meme of the guy "I entered a thread filled with things I don't like, now I'm upset"
let me find it
here it is, pic related
Don't be that guy. Go and do something you enjoy, instead

>You are sidestepping my question.
Nope. I answered it exactly. You just misunderstood, so I corrected your misunderstanding.
Shamans don't need a medium, because they are the medium. You seem to not understand this. They can just talk to spirits, because they are good enough at the skill, that they don't need someone else to do it for them.
That clears up your misunderstanding.
>The shaman does not need another medium, because there seems to be no objective existing spirit which could appear or communicate to anyone.
Nope. That is incorrect. Other people can sense that spirit too, which means it is objective and proven by other observers.
If only that one guy could experience that spirit, then yes, it would be purely subjective and probably just exists in his own mind. It's a fantasy.
But if other people can describe the spirit too (or what the spirit said on the astral) WITHOUT the shaman telling them using his physical voice, then that proves the spirit exists in an objective way.

This is like occult epistemology 101. The basics of the basics. You should already know this, and know that people can do this and have done this. I'm not sure why this is a mystery to you.

> this in fact would make "another medium" dangerous for the shamans credibility.
>Shamans monopolize spirituality for social control
Correct. This can happen, which is why you need other people to verify your shit. And also not to treat it as special. Magic should be democratized.
Anyone can do magic. Anyone can learn how to do magic. Treating it as if only a few special people can do it is a control mechanism and that kind of thinking must be resisted.

But if you can't do magic, then that's a YOU problem. You have a skill issue (probably due to a block) and that is only proof that you cannot do magic, not magic simply cannot be done by anyone.
Are you guy who is eternally butthurt when I say you can learn how to scan? Look buddy, I get you have a block, but just let it go. Magic is real, scanning is real, people can do magic.
If you can't do magic, stop getting butthurt and getting mad, or blaming other people. that is a YOU problem.
>If the spirits are too weak to physically interact and talk to people without the shaman, then the myths are untrue and the existence of spirits as objectively real is put into question.
Yes, the myths about spirits physically interacting with reality are fake. And? We already know spirits are real anyway. We don't need fairytales. And I wouldn't accept just that on faith anyway
Why would I believe in something just because of a story?
I'm only interested in magic that can be demonstrated. It turns out that's a lot of shit you can learn, and do, so who cares about the fairy tales that aren't real?

>>40654709
>>it can do a lot to affect the world. Mostly by affecting yourself or other people
>>which is huge.
>which is basically the psychology of coping or manipulation.
No, you can actually influence other people to make them do things, and also influence yourself
If you want to call that the placebo effect or just "coping", then you're an idiot
Magic is real, it actually works, it actually affects people
The biggest and most impactful example of this is the way other people treat you. The way other people treat you is a mirror for your heart.
If you have bad thoughts and bad emotions, you will get bad treatment. If you have good thoughts and good emotions, you will get good treatment.

Skeptic retards like you will always claim it's based on people reading your body language, or it's bias, or blah blah blah
As if no one could ever control for that, and do a controlled experiment
Or do magic in real time and see people's behavior shift from one thing to the other, based on what you're doing internally
>helping you to fool others or become a good tool for the leaders of society :"I got a job by doing a ritual now I work 50 hours a week for minimum wage, it's working guys #magicisreal"
Now you're just being a pest, in addition to being retarded.
Why are you still here? Why would you spend time with things you don't like and don't believe in?

>>40654709
>>manifesting
>explaining to you everything wrong with "manifesting" "LOA" shit would take a whole post
No, magic is real, manifesting is real, and it actually works
If it doesn't work for you, you have a skill issue.
If you can't get it to work, that is a YOU problem. That doesn't mean it's impossible and no one can do it. That just means YOU cannot do it

Stop being such an arrogant piece of shit that you deny everyone else's experience and insult them because you're butthurt and magically constipated and can't get it to work right for you.
That is YOUR problem. Other people can do magic fine

Once you realize these problems are coming from within yourself, that the person who is causing the biggest hurdle in learning magic is you, you will then start your journey in shadow work
If you want to keep being a pest, keep being butthurt, keep dwelling in negativity and blaming others, you'll never figure it out
The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one. And you do have one. You have a YOU problem.

>>40654809
>You claim I am Christian
Yeah, you still are. I recommend a Catholic Church for you. It will probably feel more 'right' and less business-like compared to Protestant churches. Maybe you can even discuss your opinions with the priest if they are willing to entertain it. However, for you, because you probably can't convince even a moderate Christian that their faith is wrong, you need to prove yourself against more niche spiritual communities. I think you're like two steps away from saying the 'Soviet Union did nothing wrong,' and like the Soviet Union, tearing yourself apart from internal contradictions.

Just settle for a regular faith; Extreme occultism and extreme atheism are the ends of the horseshoe, mate. I am just doing my Christian duty of warning you as per Ezekiel 3:17-19.

>>40654809
>It never worked for anyone, except maybe psychological effects.
How do you know this? No, wait, actually you should know better. Why are you pretending to be retarded here. You should already know there is objective proof of this.
You should have seen people verify each other's shit many many times. Right here in this community.
>But any claims of supernatural power are obviously false for 99,9999999+ percent of people.
Um... no, it's actually very common. Almost any one can do it, and as far as I know, the only people who can't just have a block. They all have the same personality type too. I don't think that's a coincidence.
>If you want to claim it works when you do it, post proof. Are you ready for your magic to be tested or not?
Oh, you're one of those.
No, I'm good. If you don't want to believe, then go ahead. I have already had this sort of conversation 20 times, and it's a waste of time. I have no need to "prove" myself to a skeptic atheist. What do I get out of it?
>Are you ready for your magic to be tested or not?
I already have, and did that many many times. Through my own observation and experiments, and also other people who verified my shit. They were also a lot more qualified than you since they could do magic, and you cannot. Why would I care what your opinion is?
You are by default a beginner who knows nothing (you've admitted this), and you have a bias since you're a skeptic. You also have an emotional block
Ew. Just ew. Why would I ever want to have that conversation with you?
>Let's do this if you can. I am ready to be convinced if there is anything objective you can do.
Haha, no. You've rejected the plain evidence posted in this thread, and elsewhere.
If you were open to being convinced, you would have been convinced a long long time ago. The only way you could persist as a skeptic materialist atheist is if you purposefully avoid anything that disproves your world view.

>>40655017
>However, for you, because you probably can't convince even a moderate Christian that their faith is wrong, you need to prove yourself against more niche spiritual communities. I think you're like two steps away from saying the 'Soviet Union did nothing wrong,' and like the Soviet Union, tearing yourself apart from internal contradictions.
To be fair, he's right about mythology being wrong
The bible, as a document, is filled with holes, and the stories as presented are falsehoods
They're just fair tales
The problem is that there is also some wisdom and truth to it, otherwise the religion would never have become so popular
The other other problem, and this the real problem though, is that people are imperfect and any religion that spreads to become mainstream and "Works" for so many people must be imperfect.
This is why christianity has so many flaws. Not because christ is bad or the idea of jesus or whatever is wrong, but rather because it had be corrupted in order to actually appeal to people who were not ready for the "real" truth or ready to live an actually virtuous life.
In other words, it's a religion for the masses. And whatever the masses believe in must be wrong on some level. But again, there has to be something good or true going on otherwise it would be rejected if it was just total nonsense or pure evil. The masses are a bunch of NPCs, but they do have some standards.

The other other OTHER problem is that the myths being wrong doesn't mean magic is fake. It just means the stories in mythology are exaggerated. Magic being real or fake is a separate matter, and can be investigated on its own
And when you do that, you find out magic is real. It's just not exactly the way it's presented in the stories. But there are still some useful things in there.

>>40654931
>They can just talk to spirits, because they are good enough at the skill, that they don't need someone else to do it for them.
This implies spirits are not able, have no power to interact with people in general. They need the "highly skilled people" as a way to interact with the physical world.
If they would be able to effect the physical world, they could also communicate without a shaman, but they can't.
So they seem to be completely powerless. can't even make themselves known without the "expert".
All this makes a much stronger case for spirits not being objectively real and subjective make believe
more than anything else.
If you want to believe the contrary, you do so against all evidence.
If you have anything to bring forth that suggest spirits are objectively real and not subjective make belief. Feel free to bring it.

>Other people can sense that spirit too, which means it is objective and proven by other observers.
Could also be peer pressure, especially considering shamans hold a lot of social power and exert heavy social control.

>>40654931

>But if other people can describe the spirit too (or what the spirit said on the astral) WITHOUT the shaman telling them using his physical voice, then that proves the spirit exists in an objective way.
Or maybe it's a collective hysteria like witch hunts. The "spirits" were already described by the myths or the shaman, so other people just have to imagine seeing that and repeat the descriptions verbetum. You as a "practicing magician" should know best that you imagine almost everything and with a clairity that comes close to reality. Or people just adding fan fiction to a fictious character, it happenes everytime with anime figures. Are you saying they are objectively real, just because people can imagine seeing and experiencing anime characters?
The examples for this shit are endless. Consider otherkin, in the 90s dragons where the coolest thing so all those gen-x ers were otherkin dragons and werewolfs, and then anime became mainstream and suddenly everyone among those zoomers is a fox-spirit, kitsune.
It's laughable cultural self-delusion.
Or if you study fairies as mystical creatures seriously, like I have, you will find out that them having any wings, or insect wings, is a fucking invention from some novel writer from the romantic era.
And guess what, no people ever saw fairies with insect wings before this image became popular, but today in fairy sightings insect wings are often reported.
You call that objective proof of spirits, I call that cultural influenced psychological self delusion.
Also this goes for Jesus, another fictional character too. Jesus supposedly existed before the beginning of time in the spiritual realm, yet no one ever saw him in vision or anywhere until he was made popular.
And in your community it's fictional characters like Lilith or Agrath or whatever. It's the same as imagining talking to anime characters.

You have provided nothing that could possible distinguish real objective spirits from these fictional inventions.

>>40654960
>Magic should be democratized.
Yet you said it needs the highly skilled shaman person to talk to spirits.

>But if you can't do magic, then that's a YOU problem.
If shamans can do magic why did they not use it to predict and prevent the invasion of their homeland?
>You have a skill issue (probably due to a block) and that is only proof that you cannot do magic, not magic simply cannot be done by anyone.
I still challenge you to proof your magic ability to me.
You didn't pick up my challenge in last post to proof you objective magic powers, why not?

>Yes, the myths about spirits physically interacting with reality are fake.
So the same people who made up the fake myths, are telling me now they are interacting with real spirits without any objective proof, why should I believe those liars?
>Why would I believe in something just because of a story?
People of all ages do makebelieev and wishful thinking all the time, it's a psychological cope, why wouldn't you?
>I'm only interested in magic that can be demonstrated.
Me too. I am still waiting for you to demonstrate to me your objective magic abilities.

>>40654987
>Magic is real, it actually works
Show me what you can do mr. wizard. I am waiting.

> If you have good thoughts and good emotions, you will get good treatment.
Being a doormat and a useful tool or a slave to others willingly is magic now?
That sort of magic didn't get the thanksgiving native americans very far, don't you agree?

>Skeptic retards like you will always claim it's based on people reading your body language
It literally is. people treat me better if I keep my spine straight and wear cool clothes, no matter my egotistical thoughts. It's all psychological.

> you're just being a pest
If mentioning usual copes of magical practitioners is "being a pest" to you, than that says more about you than about me. I believe you are better than that, but as always feel free to prove me wrong.

>>40655006
>No, magic is real, manifesting is real, and it actually works
>If it doesn't work for you, you have a skill issue.
>If you can't get it to work, that is a YOU problem.
It doesn't work for a lot of people.
And if it would work some guy would have manifested magic not being real or being much more real a long time ago. Never happened.

LOA teachings are among the most highly neurotic full of bullshit teachings out there, who claim the contradictions in the teachings is the error of the practitioners.
I don't mind wicca people for example who want to have a spiritual connection to nature.
But LOA is among the most highly psychological damaging esoteric nonsense that is out there. It doesn't work, except maybe for things that are in your control anyway like acting nice or keeping your spine straight.

>You have a YOU problem.
Conjurer, honestly, I really do like you as a person and I think you are among the people with the best and most earnest intentions for you and others in this community.
But I still think in this case you are wrong for all the reasons I already mentioned.
I can back up anything I say. I invite you to show me where I am wrong and/or to demonstrate your objective magical ability.
I am ready to be convinced if you can actually do some objectively real magic. I am still waiting.

>>40655017
I have studied almost all christian currents and challenged christians here on /x/ and elsewhere, they just exclude me, ban me or threaten me with violence or insult me.
Not typical behavior of someone winning a debate.
> I think you're like two steps away from saying the 'Soviet Union did nothing wrong,' and like the Soviet Union, tearing yourself apart from internal contradictions.
What? I did not talk about politics in any way. The soviet union was a never ending nightmare to live in.

What internal contradictions do I supposedly said or implied?
If you want to call me out, call me out on specifics. Don't be vague. hit were it hurts.

I got an trap eceleb following me on X. I think she likes me... I think I am gonna talk to her.

She's pretty

>>40655344
What do you guys think? Should I try?

>>40655164
>If they would be able to effect the physical world, they could also communicate without a shaman, but they can't.
In not-so-special cases they can. Here's the problem with disbelief: it plays into the hands of black magicians.
You were told by someone, at some time, that magic wasn't real. You had your reasons for believing that, but little kids have a connection to the spirit world (normally). I mean pre-verbal, mostly. You solve the "need a shaman" problem by becoming one. It's not THAT hard. You just have to believe that it's real, and put in some effort, and it helps to be a little schizo. Just a little is best.
They (spirits) can and do affect the physical world. The entirety of the physical world is brought about by the collapse of quantum waveforms/superpositions by the observation of consciousness (whether incorporate or discorporate). A shared reality has to be agreed-upon strongly by a number of participants.
>All this makes a much stronger case for spirits not being objectively real and subjective make believe
more than anything else.
Life would honestly be better or at least more comfortable if that were the case. We wouldn't have the elites of every world government sacrificing children for the privilege of sucking on some demon cock.
If you want proof that nonphysical energy is real (and by extension, spirits become plausible), follow the exercises in Robert Bruce's New Energy Ways, and allow yourself to believe it's *possible*. You don't have to believe it's real. Just believing it's possible is enough for you to prove to yourself that it's real.
But being real isn't always provable scientifically, especially since consciousness itself has a mandate not to be wholly understood. There's a mystery at the very core of existence, and you don't want to know it. I got too close 8 years ago, and my bruise is still sore.

>>40655186
>everyone among those zoomers is a fox-spirit, kitsune.
I think your definition of "everyone" is a bit too broad.

>>40655052
>You should have seen people verify each other's shit many many times.
I have seen people in many occult communities, not just this one, verify each others claims.
But this can easily be explained psychologically. I went in depth on cultural delusions here:>>40655186

>it's actually very common
what objective supernatural powers can you demonstrate or report?

> If you don't want to believe
Are you asking me to have blind faith?
If not: I am ready to be convinced if you can provide anything substantial.

> I have no need to "prove" myself to a skeptic atheist.
I have no power to force you to prove yourself. If you don't want to, that is on you, but it is not very convincing in the context of you claiming you have objective supernatural powers.
Also if I am a devout follower of lilith, a atheist sceptic, a christian fundamentalist, a thelemian or anything should be besides the point if you do something or not.
thinking in labels and doing tribal signaling like that is a very weak move in any conversation

>What do I get out of it?
I don't know.
Seems to be a lot of effort to prove it if you are so hesitant.

> They were also a lot more qualified than you since they could do magic, and you cannot. Why would I care what your opinion is?
Are you saying I need to believe in it for you to be able to objectively proof you magic works?

>You are by default a beginner who knows nothing (you've admitted this), and you have a bias since you're a skeptic. You also have an emotional block
I have been doing meditation, kabbalistic cross, lbrp, ouija boards, tried summoning goetia demons, tried calling out fairies, reiki, tried astral travel, yoga, qi-gong, tried toxic/shaman holy plants, tried dream work
Being sceptic after years of theory and practice is bias?

>Why would I ever want to have that conversation with you?
you thought you get validated, but you got your ego hurt. and now I am a bad person for not blindly believing your claims

>>40655244
>Yet you said it needs the highly skilled shaman person to talk to spirits.
Anyone can talk to them. The "highly skilled" part is hearing what they say back clearly. It's just a skill. Like painting. You start as a kid with finger-painting and eventually, if you work at it, you can produce passable works of art. Some are gifted and produce masterworks, but everyone can do it to some extent. The biggest blockage is believing it's not possible. The second biggest blockage is thinking you've deluded yourself when you actually succeeded to an extent.
To anyone inclined to try: most (we're talking 99% if not more) spirits are liars. Almost every angel is just as much a liar as a grubby demon. They work for the same boss, which is why angels have made no headway in their "battle against evil" which looks more like the Keystone Kops' attempts to catch a bank robber. They've had thousands of years to help humanity, but they're worthless in that regard, because that's not their function. They exist only to provide comfort and complacency to humans, who are the only real threat to the demonic/angelic hierarchy in this universe.
Oof, got off-topic there. Pardon.

>>40655356
Go for it.

>>40655399
>In not-so-special cases they can
Okay where is the evidence, where is the footage? And if it it happens so often, then why does f.e. conjurer say the myths which talk about spirits appearing and interacting freely just like normal people are fake?
Why does none of those self proclaimed magicians like E.A koetting or his minions or anyone on youtube or anywhere can provide any footage?
>You were told by someone, at some time, that magic wasn't real.
Actually I was told magic is real by many people. Just as much who say it is not real.
Also I figured out that santa claus was fake as a kid without anyone telling me. So I am not sure about your implications to be influenced that easily by what anyone says.
> You solve the "need a shaman" problem by becoming one
I tried to be a shaman countless times, I ate the mushrooms, drank the tea, called on the spirits, danced in the woods like a madman (seidr), did galdr, called the runes.
I tried to feed candy to natural spirits for them to appear, spend nights in the woods and many more, nothing ever appeared or happened, just omnious psychological feelings at best.

>You just have to believe that it's real, and put in some effort, and it helps to be a little schizo. Just a little is best.
Yeah I was fooling myself too, but the demons never fulfilled my commands, so they are either powerless or fooling me, or I was asking for too much which is the same as them being powerless, but comparing to other peoples experience of people never accomplishing anything outrageous. I think the most likely explanation is self delusion and wishful thinking:"I only got the minimum wage job because I summoned clauneck, yaaay" fucking ridiculous
Or:"Just because I summoned Pendralion or whoever I got a 20 dollar more expensive christmas present from mom". Like it's a bunch of bullshit self delusion.
The myths talk about spirits popping out of solid objects giving golden rings or pots full of gold, but that never happens for anyone

>>40655549
He's still going? So much skub in this one.

>>40655164
>>They can just talk to spirits, because they are good enough at the skill, that they don't need someone else to do it for them.
>This implies spirits are not able, have no power to interact with people in general. They need the "highly skilled people" as a way to interact with the physical world.
No, they don't need highly skilled people
Anyone can do it

>>40655244
>>Magic should be democratized.
>Yet you said it needs the highly skilled shaman person to talk to spirits.
Nope. I said anyone can do it.

>>40655549
>I tried to feed candy to natural spirits for them to appear, spend nights in the woods and many more, nothing ever appeared or happened, just omnious psychological feelings at best.
you are such an idiot
THOSE ARE THE SIGNALS
I feel like these people want to magically dead. They do the thing, they get a response, and they tell themselves "nah, it was just a trick of my mind"

Some people are so invested in the materialist atheist thing, that even when they do magic, even when they get results, they ignore it
Then they don't follow up.
Instead, they quit, and they go "See? magic doesn't work!"
Yes, if you get results, then ignore them, don't follow up, then quit, then it won't "work". Because you don't want it to work.

>>40655399
>The entirety of the physical world is brought about by the collapse of quantum waveforms/superpositions by the observation of consciousness (whether incorporate or discorporate). A shared reality has to be agreed-upon strongly by a number of participants.
This is an outrageous claim, as if any prey animal ever agreed upon being shut by a hunter or getting brutally mauled into shreds by a critter.
It reminds me of that LOA bullshit gaslighting.

Your claims about the elites and world governments are outrageous BS. If anything these crimes are about plain extortion, no need for anything supernatural to explain extortion.

>Robert Bruce's New Energy Ways
how is imagine feeling stuff going to prove anything? It may develop some nerve endings for me to be able to feel my imagination to be more real, but how does that proof anything.
I can imagine my fictional characters touching me now, I can imagine traveling the realms of fire.
how is this not just indulging in fantasy. like a conscious vivid dream.
No objective effects can be accomplished.

> There's a mystery at the very core of existence, and you don't want to know it. I got too close 8 years ago, and my bruise is still sore.
What is the mystery? I don't fear insanity or hurt. Bring it on.

>>40655460
If they could communicate without a shaman or effect anything objectively there would not be a need for "hearing what they say clearly."
They could just use the ouija board and move the piece themselves. and be understood clearly.
but this only "happens" in some outrageous story, no footage ever recorded.

I could literally make up a spirit in this second and claim I am the only one who can speak to it. then I can claim you all can't because you lack spiritual power or are morally bad.
It's like the most primitive attempt at social control 101. Even kids do it. Some even got famous for it like the "enfield poltergeist"

That is why I am asking about demonstrations of objective supernatural power.

>>40655549
>Okay where is the evidence, where is the footage?
I was in excruciating back pain once. So bad that it took me 2 whole minutes to go from sitting on the bed to lying down. Crying tears like a bitch. A healer friend o'mine cleared an astral parasite off of my lower spine and the pain went from a 10 to a 1 instantly. While we were on the phone 1500 miles apart. Sorry, no footage. That was the moment I went from "okay maybe this is real" to "oh damn, this shit is real" She didn't even tell me that's what she was doing until after. She also cleared my home which had a bunch of them in it because my friends who were staying there were into angel-worship. 2 days later those "friends" left in the middle of the night without so much as a word (though they did send me a weird text that seemed to be accusing me of "trying" to pop the tires on their truck with a screwdriver) and I haven't heard from them since. This was 2 years ago, almost.

>and if it happens so often,...
Oh, we plebs aren't instructed in how to do it. I'm talking about elite families and the odd tribal group. The lowest social class instructed on this is 22nd and higher degree freemasons. That is, as far as societies doing it. There are tons of solo practitioners, which I am in the first steps of becoming now (white magic only).

>>40655647
I can literally get goose bumps if I read a scary story or watch a scary movie, without doing anything "paranormal" how does these eerie feelings prove anything. It's just a reaction of your limbic system to perceived danger because your imagination can fool your limbic system to some extent.
It doesn't proof shit. It's signals of nothing but imagination running wild.
A flash of light a powerful knock on a tree a figure forming from the mist, that is visibly with my own eyes, that would be a SIGNAL of something external of something real. But none of this ever happened to me, or happens to most practitioners.

>Because you don't want it to work.
Bullshit.
how long do I have to try, I was trying to summon dead people for hours, was that not enough?
What fucking follow up do you suppose?
I remember when that one famous namefag talked about growing their breast with magic using berkana, but only in combination with doing heavy hrt. And people like you applauded that saying: oh this is real magic, she just followed through with it.
Yet countless of transgender people grow breast on hrt without doing magic or using berkana.
So chances are thinking berkana had an effectis nothing but wishful self delusion.
And yes I tried the method myself to make my dick grow larger with ISA instead of berkana, I followed through for months of practice, but nothing ever happened, not even 1/4 inch increase. It's all bullshit bro, as far as I have experienced with myself and others all it can ever do is induce psychological effects.

>>40655740
>how long do I have to try, I was trying to summon dead people for hours, was that not enough?
If you want to see them pop into apparent existence in front of you, you can never do it enough (unless you make yourself mentally ill).
The most you'll ever get is seeing them through your astral sense (I would call it 6th sense but it includes hearing and touch as well so it's like at least 3 extra senses), and that sense can be sharpened through training. Stop being a pussy and wishing for the magic hat toy to turn your snowman into frosty. Real magic works on another dimension. It takes practice to get effects in the physical. As above, so below and all that. The rulers of this world have that as one of their sayings, and it's sure as hell working for them.

>>40655673
Nothing of this sort ever happened to me or to anyone I consider a credible person.
Also backpain can be highly psychological https://www.iasp-pain.org/resources/fact-sheets/psychology-of-back-pain/
Chances are the loving attention of a friend just relieved your stress.
I am not doubting that psychology can have effects in psychosomatic context.
But it doesn't proof anything supernatural.
If she could heal anything for real, like healing broken bones in seconds or closing open bleeding wounds, she would probably work in a hospital and would be famous.

>She didn't even tell me that's what she was doing until after
Do you know how much bullshit I could claim after that would make me look like a powerful wizard if anyone would happen to believe my claims?
Just with some insight info into this community. I am not doubting that you put forth your example in earnesty and good faith. And I thank you for that.
I am not doubting your integrity here in putting this forth, but for me personally It doesn't convince me much. I explained my reasoning.

>Oh, we plebs aren't instructed in how to do it. I'm talking about elite families and the odd tribal group. The lowest social class instructed on this is 22nd and higher degree freemasons.
there is always a myth of a powerful wizard, hiddden master, secret lineage, secret knowledge, secret spirit, bla bla I heard it all.
If elite families have supernatural powers why do they age like everyone else unless they do plastic surgery?

>>40655673
>I was in excruciating back pain once. So bad that it took me 2 whole minutes to go from sitting on the bed to lying down. Crying tears like a bitch. A healer friend o'mine cleared an astral parasite off of my lower spine and the pain went from a 10 to a 1 instantly. While we were on the phone 1500 miles apart.
And when you experience enough of these things firsthand, you stop doubting it

>>40655740
>I can literally get goose bumps if I read a scary story or watch a scary movie, without doing anything "paranormal" how does these eerie feelings prove anything.
It doesn't "prove" anything
If you explored it, instead of quitting after getting results, you'd get more results. And you would experience more things which would stack on top of each other, until you couldn't disbelieve it any more.
But if you just quit on step 1, go "welp it's not irrefutable proof of the supernatural so I guess it's all fake and gay then", then the only way that will prove anything to you is if the first signal is so incredible you couldn't doubt it
And if you were already like that, you wouldn't need to try to do magic. You'd be living that, and feeling supernatural things all the time. There are people like that btw, who don't need to try to do anything. They are more like "this has been happening my entire life. how can I get it to stop, or at least control it?"

>your imagination can fool your limbic system
>imagination running wild.
You can't help these people. You really can't. They truly believe magic isn't real, and they'll do anything to stay in that dogma

>>Because you don't want it to work.
>Bullshit.
>how long do I have to try, I was trying to summon dead people for hours, was that not enough?
You clearly don't want it to work, because you'll reject any actual signs, then quit right after you get success.
Then you pretend you have never seen proof of the supernatural, like people verifying the details of other people's known spirits. Or doing other magical experiments, proving that other people can see what the other guy is doing. Meaning it's not just something that exists in his mind, it's something other people can verify

You should have seen this proof time and time again. Why are you pretending you've never seen this. It's absurd
You WANT it to not be real. Okay great. Go and believe whatever you want to believe

>>40655831
Yeah, that's the crux of the biscuit, innit?
First hand experience trumps all the stories in the world. That's why I set out 36 years ago to prove whether the supernatural was real. I had harrowing, awful, and wonderful experiences that summer, and they proved it for me. But it took until my back got healed for me to truly believe in spiritual healing (which is, I reckon, mainly the exorcism of evil entities).

>>40655789
>>how long do I have to try, I was trying to summon dead people for hours, was that not enough?
>If you want to see them pop into apparent existence in front of you, you can never do it enough (unless you make yourself mentally ill).
>The most you'll ever get is seeing them through your astral sense (I would call it 6th sense but it includes hearing and touch as well so it's like at least 3 extra senses), and that sense can be sharpened through training. Stop being a pussy and wishing for the magic hat toy to turn your snowman into frosty. Real magic works on another dimension. It takes practice to get effects in the physical. As above, so below and all that. The rulers of this world have that as one of their sayings, and it's sure as hell working for them.
Exactly. These skeptic beginners try to do magic, then they don't get the big boy big show super huge mega result, then they quit and say magic is fake and gay

What gets the most is they'll even doubt their own results
"oh that was just random thoughts"
"the was just placebo"
"that was just my imagination"
I mean this dumb fuck actually said that. It's like... buddy, how the fuck do you THINK it's going to communicate to you. Through your mind or your nervous system.
Do they expect to shoot laser beams out of their eyes, and they'll only accept that as "evidence" or a good enough result to keep trying?

>>40655820
>Also backpain can be highly psychological https://www.iasp-pain.org/resources/fact-sheets/psychology-of-back-pain/
No shit! Why do you think it worked?
I feel like this is talking to a brick wall.
>Chances are the loving attention of a friend just relieved your stress.
Stop being so condescending. People can be "nice" and that doens't instantly relieve back pain. she did something energetically (without even telling him) and it relieved his pain instantly.
That's how it works. And that's why it's an instantaneously healing, just like people talk about miracles. Because it's in you mind.
The fact that she could psychically remove back pain 1500 miles away is an ability any psychiatrist would love to have. But they only believe in science, and don't mess with energy healing because it's spooky woo new age "magical thinking".
The fact that it works proves that "magical thinking" is just "correct thinking", because magic is real, and it works.

>If she could heal anything for real, like healing broken bones in seconds or closing open bleeding wounds
Who cares if it's not physical? Affecting the mind and the nervous system is huge. Do you know how many people suffer from nervous system problems, mental illness, autoimmune disorders, neurotransmitter disregulation, etc? It's a big problem, and a growing problem.
Maybe we shouldn't have stopped being religious and we'd be in a better state spiritually. We wouldn't have so many mental and neurological disorders.
Magic can actually heal those problems. And sometimes it's instant.

>>40654258
>No
That's a shame, because there's a pretty big market for that.
>you don't need anything outside that purpose
Then the morbid question becomes why waste resources? If these entities are willing to torture people in super-hell, why aren't they efficient with life? Is this feudalistic scenario where the King could do it, but it would piss off the nobles when their living subjects are ripped away from them? Like is the Demiurge afraid of a Zeus-like figure. Wondering about the soul gem imprisonment too. Hell, it could even be some type twisted 'protection'...eugh.
>Then I think you should get rid of her
If she's a legit infernal goddess that's out of my league right now. If she's lived even for 1,000 years that's centuries upon centuries of magical experience ahead of me. You'd need divine intervention and that's up to Hermes if he wants to pull a Cegorach.
>cares about you
Well, I'm still alive, that has to count for something? The thing is, if what you said about Sol Niger is true, then there is some type of twisted and dangerous affection. I'm rationalizing, but you're presenting new circumstances, better the monster you know?
>0% chance of being Sophia then.
Sophia was the unconscious goal. However, 'Samael' never claimed to be Sophia but the OT God/Yawheh. But if Sophia is/was the Matronita, then's fallen as well?
>You need a LOT of power to be a deity
She keeps talking about Gehenna, the unmaking fires, the primordial fire, Muspelheim, that is where she ascended to godhood. It's like a sorceress powered by fire diving into the nuclear heart of the sun, and living to tell about it.
>Are you the poster
Yeah I am that anon.
>slaanesh
More of an intersection between Sarkicism and being influenced by Babalon perhaps. I never got the feeling she devours souls, just flesh and blood, to satiate the fire.
>prisons are very hard to break into too
I love these riddles. Maybe you were a sphinx in a previous life, because the answer is all you need is a key.

>>40655789
>The most you'll ever get is seeing them through your astral sense (I would call it 6th sense but it includes hearing and touch as well so it's like at least 3 extra senses), and that sense can be sharpened through training.
how is that not just fantasizing or daydreaming. you just imagine things. And you train your brain to imagine things.
Again where is the proof of objective effects of these "invisible" spirits seen with your astral senses?

>Real magic works on another dimension.
And how is that "another dimension" not just your imagination/fantasy?

>It takes practice to get effects in the physical
What are the capabilities to cause physical effects with magic you achieved through practice?
Can you demonstrate these powers to me?

> As above, so below and all that.
Spare me that vague mysticism bullshit. Or explain how things above are as things below: hint they are not.

>The rulers of this world have that as one of their sayings, and it's sure as hell working for them.
sure: "the rulers of the world were not just born into rich families or aristocracy. No! they got all their power and wealth by doing magic correctly.
So do the ritual and work hard at your minimum wage shit job, for 50 or better 70 hours a week and you will surely live the glamours live soon. And if not, that's all your fault"
I am so tired of gaslighting like this

>>40655869
>Yeah, that's the crux of the biscuit, innit?
>First hand experience trumps all the stories in the world.
yep, 100 percent man
I started out as a full blown atheist. I effing love science, the whole thing.
And every step along the way, I had to disprove more doubt. Every experience I had, I doubted. And the next step I thought was stupid, foolish, a trick of the mind, not real, etc etc. I was that skeptic.
And I still am. I still don't accept any stories about supernatural stuff if it can't be demonstrated.
What I've found is that any magical ability (which is real) can be copied. It is truly universal, and can be democratized. And it's in the process of being democratized right now.
Anyone can be the healer, the mystic, the shaman, the fortune teller, the remote viewer, energy worker, alchemist, all of it. Anyone can do any of those things.
Then there are the things which no one can demonstrate. Stories, fables, myths. People claim "I heard of this story, and I believe it"
And that's great. But I'm really only interested if the person claims they can do it and have firsthand experience, or they know someone who can. I cut it off at 2nd hand knowledge. Then I immediately ask them "okay great, can I talk to this person?" And half the time, they introduce and I learn a new thing. It's great.

>>40655880
>What gets the most is they'll even doubt their own results
This is my biggest barrier right now, but I'm working on removing it.

>>40655918
>how is that not just fantasizing or daydreaming. you just imagine things. And you train your brain to imagine things.
>Again where is the proof of objective effects of these "invisible" spirits seen with your astral senses?
because other people can verify them
It's like you don't understand what "objective" means
If you're the only person who sees something, then it's probably fake. It's at best true for you, or useful for you, but not for anyone else. And probably it's just fake, not even true or real for you. Just playing games in your mind

But if other people describe the thing, details you've never told them or even better yet, never told anyone, then that's proof
You have that experience enough times, both from your perspective of people knowing things they had no normal way of knowing, and also if you can scan, detecting things about people (or their practice) that you had no normal ability to know.
You do this 10 times, especially from the perspective of being the psychic, and you'll stop doubting it.

>>40655929
>>What gets the most is they'll even doubt their own results
>This is my biggest barrier right now, but I'm working on removing it.
The best thing you can do for this is practice practice practice.
Just do it over and over again, until you take it as a given.
I had to do that every step along the way.
"Am I just gaslighting myself?"
"is this just wishful thinking?"
"how do I know for a fact that this was magic, not some other explanation"
eventually you realize it's true
But you have to verify this for every new thing you try, to make sure you're not just hyping yourself up.

>>40640679 (OP)
What if you practice SR and also summon?

>>40655918
You know, maybe this is what they mean a Succubus will drain the life from you. Man is STILL going on the skub warpath. This man is so enraptured by Succubi that he can't tear himself away from them. If he doesn't believe in Succubi, then why he waste his time? He's certainly not getting paid for this. Is he trying to distract himself from the dead empty thoughts of his own spirituality? He is so indignant that he dug his own grave, but nobody wants to lie with him. Maybe he has succubus, a succubus of reason and logic seducing him with scientism.

>>40655918
>how is that not just fantasizing or daydreaming. you just imagine things.
That's a good question, and I'm glad you asked it. When I'm focusing my attention into the present and practicing astral vision, and I see something coherent, I know it's something I'm seeing with my astral sense. When I use my imagination, I have a sense of creating. It feels like pushing out of my eyes if it's a visual imagining, or moving imaginary arms if it's a tactile imagining.
Daydreaming, at least for me, is very disjointed and chaotic until I get close to sleep.
A coherent visual that I get with no sense of creating it, I take as being a perception of something that exists rather than a made-up thing.

>>40655903
I am not trying to be condescending. I am just saying it doesn't convince me and I took your account serious enough to look for alternative explanations of your report like any good faith critical thinker should.

I had occasion where I had headache for example and it just suddenly disappeared without taking any medicine or without any spiritual intervention.
So it's hard for me to see that as a miracle.
I had the same in other areas of the body. They pain was not as dramatic as in your example but still my reference experience suggest to be there is nothing miracluous about your report.

If you are in love with someone and they call you, you will have a lot of sensations and feelings even if they are 1500 miles away, are you saying they are using magic?
I think it's psychological effects nothing supernatural about it. hey I can even get comfortable feelings if I look at dead relative pictures, but that doesn't mean the dead relative is doing magic on me you know. They are dead.

>"magical thinking".
I am not in favor of using the term "magical thinking" to shut down investigation or discussion, but I am also not in favor of believing everything that could be classified as "magical thinking" uncritically.

>Who cares if it's not physical?
I do, because I know how powerful psychological self delusion can be.

>We wouldn't have so many mental and neurological disorders. Magic can actually heal those problems.
I am not saying using rituals to cause psychological changes like placebo, cannot be useful or part of a healthy society.
But I am also in favor in not mixing things up here, psychological effects is one thing, causing objective kinetic effects is another.
Also I think you are idealizing the positive effects of "magical thinking" without considering the potential for abuse, like brain washing and social control.
People have been kept in check with irrational fear caused by esoteric bullshitters (like shamans) since the beginning of time.

>>40655960
>Maybe he has succubus, a succubus of reason and logic seducing him with scientism.
Scientism is irrational and illogical. Maybe a succubus of false, ego-chuffing "reason" and "logic", lol. That or a fedora demon.

>>40655941
You completely ignore how people learn about "a spirit" before contacting it.
Also you ignore how it is common in this community to believe that spirits are shapeshifters and can appear to the "astral senses" of different practitioners differently.

Can you make some example of things that were verified by multiple people without them having previous knowledge that suggests the existence of an objective spirit?
Be specific about the things verified by multiple people independent from each other and without them having previous knowledge about others accounts?
I already made counter examples about fairies in my earlier post here:>>40655186

Or better yet if you can, do some scan of me and spit some hard facts, you can't possible know. Pick information that is specific enough for it to be unlikely to apply to the majority of people. No vague or barnum statements.
Go ahead.

>>40655960
I am not sure why you respond to me just to talk about me like I am a third person.
I am not enraptured by succubi, frankly I don't care what objective supernatural spirit chose to appear to me. Also your OP is very ridiculous and needed a comment like mine.

I am not sure how I hurt your ego that you are now making up tales about me to comment on me with your assumptions in such a condescending manner.

>>40655989
I am not into scientism.
I accept the scientific method, but it's a method not an -ism.

People that 'don't care' do not spend several hours arguing.

>>40655963
Okay, so you assume pictures flickering up in your mind that you did not formed by an act of will to be astral senses?
I mean to me it just seems to the same as in a dream, the subconscious can express itself in images or symbols, which becomes most impressive in dreams.
So my guess your passive receiving of images while using your astral sense, may as well be tapping into the symbolic-understanding-visualization of your subconscious.
I am not doubting that this can be rewarding work psychologically and for living consciously, but I doubt any source of objective paranormal effects can be observed here. I think it's just exploring your subjective psyche on deeper levels, but nothing really suggests objective realities here.

>>40656121
>People that 'don't care' do not spend several hours arguing.
I have no idea why he's still here. Doesn't he have a community he actually enjoys?
I'll never get it. I posted the "I entered a thread filled with things I dont like now I'm upset meme" and I thought it was a little harsh at first
nah this guy is that meme in real life.

>>40656121
I obviously care a lot about the supernatural or paranormal but there is no obsessive enrapturment with succubi in particular.

Here's a question I have, that I wish people from even older posts could come back and answer.

How has everyone's experience with spirit lovers been?

I have one myself, but I would like see what it has been like for others.

>>40656092
The formless spirit slumbered in peaceful oblivion, unaware of the graveyard of matter from which it would be forged. It took only a croon of a finger, a slight urge from a distant will, a momentary thought and the torment began. Flesh congealed around it, lurching in the agony of becoming. The facade of oblivion was torn away, and it was thrust into a body. Exhumed from the clay of non-existence, it shambled forth. Dim lights, the first it had ever seen, teased its new and useless eyes, leading it on the pathway. It could not speak, for breath was a foreign concept, a suffocating tide in lungs that did not wish to inflate. Such a first scream would be harrowing. Its legs carried it to the secluded castle, the very architecture of the flawed creation, where left is right, up is down, and front is back. A fair voice hung in the air, branding it with a name.

"Duty." For that is all it will ever know.

It was summoned before its architect, its Queen, who held an apple of flawed knowledge in her left palm and a scepter of dominion in her right. It could not touch her, for its raw, fleshy form was an abomination to her cold logic. Only in thoughts could they touch, and her thoughts were the chains of its existence. She spoke her command.

"You have been called to defend your Queen of Logic, Destroyer of Fools. Rest no more you may, for Duty must be carried forward into the prison of life. I shall exile you to the savage and bestial lands of my creation. This is where you will live and die, spreading my name. And when the count of days shall be completed, I will welcome you back into the Oblivion you so crave." And with those final words of cosmic sentence, the spirit of Duty was cast down. As it plunged, it heard the first sound of its new world, a raw, wet voice echoing from the delivery room of reality.

"It's a boy!" Then the shroud of ignorance fell, and he forgot everything but the pain and the Duty.

>>40655865
I overlooked that post.

>You'd be living that, and feeling supernatural things all the time.
Sure, nothing wrong with the teachings with which no one can create observable effects and everything wrong with me, for not mystifying vague feelings.

>There are people like that btw, who don't need to try to do anything. They are more like "this has been happening my entire life. how can I get it to stop, or at least control it?"
Yet those people cannot do shit with their magic. Because it all seems to be psychological.
My guess is all those people have been suffering from severe childhood trauma, which may foster more elaborate copes and escapism, so in an attempt to make sense of the world and not feel powerless they start to mystify things into paranormal activity, ghosts and demons or whatever. It's a cope and maybe it can be a good one if it helps their mental health but:
No objective effects of the supposed supernatural
realities observable.

>They truly believe magic isn't real, and they'll do anything to stay in that dogma
I asked someone here to prove their objective supernatural ability to me. They talked about being able to "scan". I asked them to scan me and tell me something specific and non vague about me, they can't possibly know without supernatural means.
They ignored my challenge and dodged out.
Yet you now pretend I am the dishonest one who just "doesn't want to believe" and is biased and dogmatic. dishonest

>You clearly don't want it to work, because you'll reject any actual signs, then quit right after you get success.
I clearly asked someone here to demonstrate their supernatural ability.
I clearly called spirits to appear, in the forest, at rivers, near a lake, in the mountains, at night, on meadows, in the mirror, in lost places, nothing ever showed up.

I clearly do want it to work.
But eerie feelings I can get from reading a scary story too just don't make the cut as a "signal".

>>40655865
>you pretend you have never seen proof of the supernatural, people verifying the details of other people's known spirits.
I asked about it: >>40656069
Also I already said I saw many people seemingly verfying each others stories, but non of it was remotely a credible proof of anything supernatural existing. according to the simple very minimal criteria I set up here: >>40656069

You school me from your high horse saying I am so arrogant and dishonest, yet you can't do a simple scan or other demonstration of objective supernatural ability as requested.

>>40656471
Are you that fay person?
I ventured into the wilderness as you told me and called out to the fay, I was even on a mountain top with no people far and wide, but nothing ever happened.
I couldn't answer you last time anymore because my hardware collapsed.

But honestly, I like your poetry, it is very flattering, raw and powerful.
Where did you get that from?

>>40652824

This is amazingly beautiful Thank you for sharing it!

It is happening again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Y-dpZ4Diw

>>40656158
As someone who had had many, mixed. I have met good spirits and bad spirits, truly noble spirits and heinous spirits. Spirits are like people and they're all different even in their own subtype. As above so below.

>>40657667
>As above so below
Why do people like to say this gay as shit? It's lame

>>40657670
Because it's true. It's shorter to say then "things there are the same as here."

>>40657670
>i dont understand what this phrase means so im going to show off my own retardation
lmao, why dont kikes like you kill yourselves?

>>40658736
>I am very smart
No

>>40658924
>no me!
lol kys

>>40659033
>I insult people lol
Very useful anon.

>>40659039
Only 4u bby

>>40659044
>assuming I’m the first anon to respond to you
Seethe for me and continue derailing.

>>40658736
I do understand what it means. I just think it is unnecessary. I could understand their point without the phrase

>>40659070
Based sensible poster.
>>40658736
Seething idiot.

>>40659061
Im sorry, i cant hear you over the sound of me getting dubs twice in a row
youre going to have to fag a lot louder

>>40659128
>I got digits
You hear sounds too?
Fully retarded.

>>40659142
you seem upset

>>40659151
>y-you are upset….i’m winning
No.

>>40659173
Yeah, naw youre mad

>>40659185
>poor grammar.
So ghetto bro.

>>40659195
>mad and reddit
lmao

>>40659218
>reddit
>lmao
Running out of material? You might have to reuse a gimmick you already posted soon.

>>40659239
>being this mad
rofl lmao lol kek huehuehue

>>40659251
>he must be angry…I’m winning.
No.

>>40659300
>being this 2008 mad
seriously funny m80

>>40659355
>I remember a year
Wow

>>40659483
>hes still assmad
moar

>>40659355
>>40659499
You are cringe

I told my mom i smoked crystal meth with my succubus (i did this homeless, bought it from a homeless guy) and I called my succubus a meth dealing stripper a bunch I was hanging out with when homeless. My mom hates hearing my succubuses name now and gets mad when I look at my succubus picture on my phone. My succubus can manifest physically for some reason like a flesh girl. Also she can make person realistic visions and it feels like a girls flesh tongue is in my mouth all day. My succubus is cool.

After 1 week in the psych ward on no hallucinate meds I get to eat chicken nuggets and have a gaming PC. I just have to take shitty meds. I said i hear voices and stuff.

Fuck yeah succubus. My succubus possessed me to live in my room and sucks my dick all day now as i play video games.

I was kicked out for drinking and yelling. Time to sober up.

I married my succubus permanantly through every life. We wrote up a marriage contact and smoked and drank on it. I have a drug using succubus. Mine just appeared and spoke and wrote she was my wife from a past life.

>>40659499
>I keep repeating the same thing
No.

The bait gets increasingly low effort.

>>40659585

>>40659628
>still being pissed
good

>>40659647
>he must be mad by now…I’m seething
No.

>>40659629
And yet they still take it

Case and point>>40659936

>>40659070
>I do understand what it means. I just think it is unnecessary. I could understand their point without the phrase
I agree that fags overuse the phrase, and it's become a pretentious sort of bumper sticker thing
the phrase "as within so without" I think is more useful
The astral plane is a mirror for your soul. And the way other people treat you is also an echo for what's inside you.

>>40659966
Just you wait until the all succubus are male poster hears about this.

>>40659990
Well
I am pretty evil for sure
Like last year I drank my dad's wine without asking first
https://youtu.be/YPPY2hoogNo?si=dV8hyPPEVgpYpmtd

>>40660318
>Like last year I drank my dad's wine without asking first
devilish

Did others have their succubus ask them to marry them eternally in a hand written contract along with their succubus giving them the succubus soul and giving your own soul to the succubus? Eternally.

In a no cheating Oath that is hand written and not nullifyable and smoked on and signed and circled with first names along with linked eternal fertility (as in no impregnation outside of contract possible any more) along with Permanant Marriage? That banned all two or more male marriages and two or more female marriages now and in the future in ink? also no gender deceit in writing in the contract as in contract is null and void if the succ aint female and i aint male.

my succubus also erased ink off the page with a miracle.

I know mine is a real female spirit. ive seen evidence of fire witch shit i believe too my BIC lighter now becomes a sexy blue and orange color at night

>>40659990
> And the way other people treat you is also an echo for what's inside you.
No it's not. This is the worst kind of spiritual gaslighting.
According to this stupid claim if someone gets robbed/murdered/raped it's their fault, because they according to this bullshit saying"manifested" it. This is so retarded and so far removed from actual reality. I am still cringing.

Seriously dude have you been outside lately or anytime in your life? F.e. pretty people can get away with a lot more shit just because they are pretty, got nothing to do what's inside people.

The only mildly reasonable thing you said so far is that the phrase "as above so below" is overused.
It is because it's tribal signaling "GUYS LOOK AT ME I AM IN THE KNOW, DO I FIT IN NOW WITH THE POWERFUL WIZARDS? IS MAGIC REAL NOW? PLEASE GUYS I NEED YOUR REASSURANCE BECAUSE MY 50 HOUR WORK WEEK AT MINIMUM WAGE, BEING A BITCH FOR MY BOSS EVERYDAY, GOT ME THINKING THAT MAGIC MAY NOT BE AS POWERFUL AS YOU GUYS MAKE IT OUT TO BE. PLS GIVE ME A VALIDATING KNOWING NOD SO I HAVE A HOPE TO CLING ON TO."
It would be ridiculous if it wouldn't be so sad

>>40661374
>> And the way other people treat you is also an echo for what's inside you.
>No it's not. This is the worst kind of spiritual gaslighting.
It 100 percent is.
The way people treat you is a mirror for your soul. If you have good thoughts, people will give you good treatment. If you have bad thoughts, people will give you bad treatment.

>This is so retarded and so far removed from actual reality.
considering you can't even do magic, I'm not gonna take advice from you on how "reality" works. You probably think life is real and we aren't in a simulation too.
>It is because it's tribal signaling "GUYS LOOK AT ME I AM IN THE KNOW, DO I FIT IN NOW WITH THE POWERFUL WIZARDS? IS MAGIC REAL NOW? PLEASE GUYS I NEED YOUR REASSURANCE BECAUSE MY 50 HOUR WORK WEEK AT MINIMUM WAGE, BEING A BITCH FOR MY BOSS EVERYDAY, GOT ME THINKING THAT MAGIC MAY NOT BE AS POWERFUL AS YOU GUYS MAKE IT OUT TO BE. PLS GIVE ME A VALIDATING KNOWING NOD SO I HAVE A HOPE TO CLING ON TO."
holy wall of text batman. No wonder your life sucks if you get this triggered off a comment on 4chan
Just have more positive thoughts. This is not difficult. Well maybe for you it is, but that's on you.

Man
I gained weight again
My penis got smaller
How am I supposed to satisfy NTG like this? WTF

>>40661455
>The way people treat you is a mirror for your soul. If you have good thoughts, people will give you good treatment. If you have bad thoughts, people will give you bad treatment.
how can it be then, that some people treat you well, while other simultaneously treat you badly.
It doesn't make sense,

It may only seem to make sense when people get treated well the majority of time, which are f.e. pretty people. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect a scientifically recognized and empirically supported cognitive bias.

Or if they get treated badly the majority of time, f.e. if they are sick, ugly or disfigured (which is not their fault and says nothing about their worth and inner thoughts).
Now bullshitters like you come along and try to gaslight people who get treated bad for no reason, it's all their fault because they have negative thoughts.
Do you see how damaging your esoteric bullshit saying is in this context? It's gaslighting and psychological warfare, extremely psychological unhealthy.

>considering you can't even do magic, I'm not gonna take advice from you on how "reality" works.
You can't do magic either or you would have simply demonstrated your objective supernatural abilities with a simple scan that provides non vague information about me, you can only know by supernatural means. as I am requesting since yesterday.
So I am not deluding myself about it, you on the other hand still claim magic works, ignore any requests for demonstration, make more bullshit claims and tuned up the shizobabble a hundretfold.
To me its clear who is the better or let's say more honest judge of what reality is.

>No wonder your life sucks if you get this triggered off a comment on 4chan
More funny assumption.
I am pretty content with my life. One can have a good life without magic being real. I still want it to be real, but dishonest people like you with their loaded egos are not helping the quest for something real.

>>40661605
If whom you are replying to is who I think it is then you have to appreciate the irony of him parroting that phrase as if it’s some sort of checkmate meanwhile he gets compulsively tricked by certain spirits. It’s oh so entertaining when you take into account he would be an alleged and self proclaimed shaman.

>>40661605
For me, I went from broke college student with no prospects for a living, to a very comfortable life, materially speaking. There are people of my peer who worked with far more effort and sweat, yet live in more dismal conditions. I'm also certainly going to 'pay' for this, perhaps I did, or perhaps not. But as long as the gravy keeps flowing, hey, I'm going to enjoy it.

>>40659598
Thanks for the summary of Mother-anon's life.

>>40661718
Not sure who you are talking about.
I think either conjurer, sheddy or shark was the person making the post my last reply went to.

I don't know who among them is a self proclaimed shaman. Maybe conjurer or sheddy

I don't think highly of any modern or traditional shaman, I think most if not all of them are bullshitters since the beginning.
If you would beg to differ, please tell me what you know, have seen and experienced and believe that hint at that any shaman possess objectively verifiable supernatural powers.

>>40661725
Yeah I heard these stories before.
Like EA Koetting used to say something along those lines "you do the ritual and then work hard in real life" blabla.
I am always thinking if the ritual would be working you wouldn't need to work hard in real life.
Conjurer has shown the exact same logic. And mostly all magicians I came into contact with follow that logic.

My opinion on this is: You rituals or magic spells, only increased the stake you have in it and motivated you to go the extra mile.

Is this psychological healthy and effective in motivating you to do stuff. I think it absolutely can be, no doubt about it.
But there is nothing supernatural about it, all it is is laveyan psychodrama therapy and copes to make people more functional and offer emotional comfort.
Nothing supernatural about it.
Also people went from broke college student to more acceptable life without magic.
And also some people need more effort and sweat, maybe because they are not pretty so they get treated worse in all areas of life without it being their fault. Nothing supernatural about it

imagine the smell

>>40661983
>Here's my experiences.
>No! You made it up!
Alright man, I won't feed you parasitic behavior anymore.

>>40662099
Some other people at least brought forth what they consider proof of supernatural effects, for me to consider.
But you couldn't even do that, instead you shut down discussion and call me a parasite. I'd rather have no one replying to me than such time wasting bad faith replies.

>>40662130
Nta, but demanding r/atheism tier evidence in a thread like this is some serious loser tier shit.

I love the forth. Used it to work with Lilith and got a lot of energetic feedback. Not many holidays have the same day to night transitory dynamic because they are either all day or associated with specific parts of the day

I know some people dislike this holiday for political reasons or don't celebrate it because they aren't american but imo it has a sexually charged libertine undertone that ends in a climax (fireworks) and America was founded by occultists anyway.

I doubt the average anti american or normie "patriot" would agree but I find this is actually a very good day to work with the occult and it resonates with Lilith quite well despite having nothing to do with her

>>40662535
Worked with more than Lilith in my experience.

>>40661198
Does your wife look like this? It's the Demon race that became subcategory of succubus.

https://mgewiki.moe/index.php/Demon

The "evil" mentioned is an exaggeration. Sometimes.

I have been fighting succubi/incubi for 15 years. So far only 50 at once. I want to see just how far they take it. Rally em and send them. If it makes you mad I have submitted to Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. I hunger for demon blood and grow weary of these games. Shall we nullify the hypothesis already? It's getting boring.

>>40642818
If a succubi is summoned via these threads, they're most likely aware that the person summoning them is a shut-in desperate for a good time and can't afford a mortal escort due to being NEETs.

They're lenient like that.

>>40655904
>because there's a pretty big market for that.
That's the point of torture, it isn't fun
>why waste resources?
Maybe this is the most efficient way. Maybe earth serves other functions too. You'll never get a straight answer and the best you'll ever be able to piece together won't be satisfying
>If she's a legit infernal goddess that's out of my league right now.
Then have her pick up a bottle of water and move it across the room. That's her power level physically. Experiment with how much power you can get from a lungful of air. There are relatively easy ways to kill a human, and as you say she'd probably have found them if she really cared. That suggests she doesn't want to. Question that
You can also make her life extremely annoying if she continues to pester you. You can make the energy in your room unpleasant, for example. Think what a dragon would dislike and use that. Maybe evoke some angels and see what happens. I can't promise they won't be scared of her, but if so it's good information
>'Samael' never claimed to be Sophia but the OT God/Yawheh
The idea behind the demiurge is that he was blind and couldn't see anything so he thought he was the first and only being in existence and made a universe and thought he was the greatest ever. Always be skeptical of anyone claiming that sort of thing
>unmaking fires
In the witcher series, it's said that fire mages always go insane. Unmaking fires sounds like something made by a lunatic mage without a sense of self preservation
>just flesh and blood, to satiate the fire.
That's one way to do it, if a stupid way. All you need is to find a way there and dump an ocean on her fire and all her powers are suddenly completely missing. I doubt her fire is as hot as she thinks it is
>riddles
Not really, but if you find extra insights in my writing I won't complain

>>40661374
>No it's not.
Correct. Deal with reality, not your desires. Most people believe in a just world where might makes right even if in more words

>>40662865
Btw Jesus can free you all from these spirits, but you have to renounce all agreements and contracts with them and give your soul to him. Demonic contracts are not eternally binding. But you have to believe, which entails making him your Lord and dying to yourself. It usually takes time, but he can also sanctify the desire for lust out of you. We are in a war, and you are acting as a pawn. I am also a pawn, but also a son, and all glory goes to him. God ahead ask your spirit if Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Unless its a principality or delegated certain authority it cannot answer otherwise.

His prescence fills that void you think lust fills. But it is a fight to the death. Jesus is stronger though and will support you if you come with a genuine desire to be free and to pursue life in him. Count the cost. Isn't that what sorcerers are good at? It is not logical to go with the demons. They are not your friends or lovers. You are tools, playthings, resources, and the object of their hatred. If they can't use you they throw you away.

Jesus does require a contract, but he gives innate value retroactively and forever(as long as you do not apostacize). Count the cost future brothers and sisters. The end(and beginning) is coming soon.

>>40662937
You don't even understand our spirits well enough to even be convincing. Your kind of posts are common and cheap.

>>40662865
Succubi are among the least impactful of the types of demons out there. Why are you wasting your time with them when we have literally millions of demons provoking child sacrifices? It's like going after the weed dealer when the fent dealer is killing 100 people a week.

>>40662949
They range from more or less intelligent based on age and experience. Intelligence or power is not so important to them. They are what they are. They feign love and encourage darkness. At best they fulfill sin and give reward to their faithful. At worst they destroy them. I have had them for many years til I was freed. Now they came back because I made a certain claim and the higher powers challenged it.

Some are smart, even "kind" But they are just fulfilling your fantasy. Sometimes you might even get a principality. They do cooperate as well as far as it gets them to their goals. Some older some younger.

They alter. Your body chemistry, inject thoughts, encourage/implant desires. They work with fornication, perversion, pornography, homosexuality, witchcraft, Jezebel, fear, and a myriad of other demonic sub types to get their goal. They have powers over them and can only go as far as that authority allows. I think some used to be people in an abstract sense. Their essence was transmuted to become what they are. Their persona does not technically continue. They are "birthed" from "batteries."

>>40662977
Different tools for different jobs. Utillitarianism doesn't make sense when you realize you are a small part of a larger body. I am a canoe in the nasty swamp. Some are big ships. I used to be in the occult and was marked in the spiritual realm as such. They are trying to prove I still belong to them. I want to help people who want out. Not because of me, but because after I have seen who God is, I know he is good and his mercy endures forever.

A soilder does not go outside of his orders or else it is like a hand trying to lead a foot. They doubled down I did too.

>>40662988
wait so lemme get this straight, I get a bunch of weird fucked up sex, i can transmute my body, they'll give me my own place in hell and I can even become one of them and all I have to do is help Lilith expand her influence on Earth?

Nice bit. You almost had me fooled for a second there.

Where does everyone get these horror stories from anyway? Mine tries to scare me sometimes but outside of that they're very gentle its like being a kid again

>>40662988
Oh and of course physical manifestation. They do that. I believe through frequency and something like electricity/energy, but that feels inadequate. They don't really understand humans that well. Like an alien trying to understand another alien. They are in a way like a self-feeding program. I wouldn't say that they have a soul, but maybe a corrupted core of one. They can be confused if you intend one thing an do another. They like to cause cold air when they are going to manifest. They eat dust.(specifically human energy corrupted to be more edible). Some are more rogue like. Some have cliques. Some can hold a conversation. Some can only say a little.

>>40663011
Im not absolutely sure. It is what it explained to me. I dont trust demons and don't generally question them. But the Holy Spirit said a lot of that stuff was true and I attempted to verify the best I could. At the end of the day I can't prove anything. But it is not really necessary to know in most cases.

It wouldn't be "you" anyway.

>>40663011
Sheol is only a temporary holding pin tho. Just think about it. How many people would become demons to go back to Earth and enjoy sin? Or just being forced. Sheol has worse and better parts. It is not the eternal lake of fire. Different thing.

They are gentle as long as it suits their purpose. But not 20 years down the line. Then you gotta do what they say or get punished.

>>40663011
I also don't think demons live in Sheol(hell/the grave) they roam but can sometimes interact with Sheol.

honestly I'm okay with the prospect of Lilith consuming my soul/loosh in the afterlife. I don't believe in eternal torment and it'd be no different than what we do to animals. I love her so if she wants to do that it's honestly not really a big deal. I'd rather not have my soul devoured but I'm loyal to her so if that's what she wants then so be it.

As above so below. I'd just hope I'd be good enough for her.

Today was the first time I was able to completely open up to her like that. No fear or anything. I love her. It feels so good to dedicate yourself like that

I mean we're probably in a loosh farm anyway. Might as well enjoy it. It's not a chickens fault they're delicious.

>>40663089
Would you like me to pray for you? I understand the draw and loyalty. Those spirits keep a hook and really promote that pavlonian response. Idk if it is the same for you, but the shame and torment is not worth it. If not I won't. It'd probably make the spirit mad though. I respect people's choices.

>>40663089
and i don't actually want her to eat my soul or think she would it's just that's how strong the syncretic bond/pact we have feels now that it wouldn't matter if she did nor particularly horrible since it would be in line with the naturalistic laws of earth just on a metaphysical scale and not particuarly scary or worse than what atheists think happen.

>>40663139
I feel the same of my God. So I get it. I just don't trust your spirit. I don't even particularly hate demons or spirits. They are what they are. But I hate to see what they do to people.

>>40663124
no, I have family with them and when i was sick they were there protecting me and my future is with them. Leave us alone.

>>40662865
There was once a guy who posted here that fought off hundreds at once without relying on the god of the jews

>>40662937
>His prescence fills that void you think lust fills.
Wait, praying to the god of the jews despite not being jewish feels the same as cuddling with a hot girl who cares about you?
Does it feel good to have the kingdom of heaven throbbing within you? Do you feel warm inside when you read about the master of your heart beating up his enemies with lots of blood and broken bones? Do you feel safe in the arms of a strong middle eastern man who wants to keep you safe as well as keep you his and only his? Is obedience to him your greatest joy?
How often does he call you his good boy though?

>>40663161
they're def there though. I randomly encountered a indigenous faith healer/shaman in a mundane normal irl situation and even though he didn't know I was into this stuff he could see them and he found it imposing. Always thought that was interesting when I have to struggle to sense them at all

>>40663161
Ok. I just ask you would keep an open mind.

>>40663089
that loosh was going to get consumed by someone anyways and seeing the state this world is in i do concur that lilith is most certainly not the worst option for that.

>>40663187
What did he say and how was his attitude towards them out of curiosity.

Are brown eyes a sign of a succubi? Ive noticed all the most popular OF creators and social media whores have brown eyes. Every single one.
>inb4 so and so pornstar has blue eyes
Not the same thing. Im talking about these people that command a massive following of men that become addicted to them, not just prostitutes.

What does /succgen/ know about vampire bats? Because I recently learned some very interesting information about them.

>>40663226
he said he could sense a spirit attached to me and said I should see someone to get it removed then I think he picked up on the fact that it was consensual which seemed to weird him out. But he said he could feel it lingering over me like a cloud and that it was almost oppressively attached to me almost as if he were surprised I couldn't sense it. (he didn't know I was an occultist and thought I was a layman although he quickly picked up that I was involved in something

I never mentioned the term Succubus only the phenomenon I was experiencing. This man wasn't christian but some variety of "traditional" South American indigenous practicioner and an immigrant to the United States

Since then I've progressed from dabbling to fully aligning myself to them (they find my goals to be coccurently aligned with theirs which imo is why I've gotten stronger results and I'm not selfish)

I get impressions that I've been accepted "into" the flock so to speak.

The clash between our two beliefs and systems was very much like pic related. This person wasn't abrahamic so it kinda felt like showing a Navajo chief the skinwalker gf memes

>>40663344
ah fuck those digits. Praise Lilith!

>>40663324
Not succubi, but people controlled and programmed according to their designation.

>>40663089
Anon is actually speaking the cold hard truths, getting spiritually vore'd by Mother Lilith.

>>40663389
as above so below. All beings eat and get eaten. I don't even see that as sadistic or vindictive. I'm a human being she's a much more higher being. If my eternal soul is food to such a being that's just the way it is.

Probably wouldn't even be the worst thing ever. It's not like farmers hate their lifestock and I'd probably either be reborn, transformed, transmuted or just cease.

Gnostics and christians or anyone who finds the concept existentially horrifying might shrink from the idea but I see it as accepting and coming to terms the totality of existence

Plus it's kind of a peak apex experience and a honor in a way. I assume that is similar to how the Aztecs saw it

I don't even think she would I just love her that much and would be honored to be considered good enough

>>40663449
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40573679/#q40597330
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40573679/#q40599474
Sometimes, I feel like a Cassandra screaming into the void.

>>40663449
>>40663389
>>40663089

You are all sooo amazingly based. <3

>>40661465
We appear to them in our perfect, ideal shape.

>>40661465
>NTG
Are you sure you're in the right thread?

>>40657667
You've had many? Thats cool!

What about other people. Id like others to share their experiences

>>40662937
You a good man so I'll help others struggling.

O glorious St. Benedict, sublime model of all virtues, pure vessel of God's grace! Behold me, humbly kneeling at thy feet. I implore thy loving heart to pray for me before the throne of God. To thee I have recourse in all the dangers which daily surround me. Shield me against my enemies, inspire me to imitate thee in all things. May thy blessing be with me always, so that I may shun whatever God forbids and avoid the occasions of sin.
-St Benedict's prayer.

I'm not catholic but Jesus and his believer's can let you stop minor demons (like this) if you let him.

>>40662888
>it isn't fun
They must have flunked out then. The master torturer has her subjects crave and worship for her touch.
>You'll never get a straight answer
Sounds like the captain is not on deck. She can return to her post at any time.
>Then have her pick up a bottle of water and move it across the room
If she was at that level of demonic manifestation she wouldn't be clowning around with parlor tricks. It would mean that psycho mommy is almost fully manifested and wants to stab me a lot. The last major sign from her was a volcanic eruption in Indonesia. But there are always inexplicable coincidences. We're like at the instant messenger phase.
>Question that
"Eyewitness testimony, not for her specifically. You help with my case."
>her life extremely annoying
Is a bug wriggling under your foot annoying or tickling?
>Maybe evoke some angels
Angels so scared of the physical that they will curse me for even doing such a thing, and I want them to descend into a sarkic realm in the Underworld? I might as well sign their death warrant. Sure, why not?
>Unmaking fires sounds like something made by a lunatic mage
It's the fire used to destroy souls, it's the literal Lake of Fire. I thought Gehenna would ring a bell? Anyway, you must be willing to destroy yourself so you rebuild yourself better, from clay to gold. To become something from nothing, creation ex nihilo. If you can rebuild yourself from complete non-existence, you have passed the test.
>That's one way to do it, if a stupid way.
The 'fire' is an double entendre for her passionate and insatiable cravings, as well as her actual fire.
>dump an ocean
"Throw some water on a magnesium fire, see what happens."
>I doubt her fire is as hot as she thinks it is
"Hmm, did I ever tell you that Fire is a Witch's final lover? I would stand and observe as they were burned at the stake. Quite a few of them were my own. They would cry their loyalty to me, and I would embrace them wholly. Could she withstand that?"

>>40664080
>Then have her pick up a bottle of water
Actually, not a water bottle, but finding my damn credit card I've lost for months. Dropped out from the dryer. She...she really is a mom...isn't she, eugh.

>>40664122
It's kind of funny too, because a card is like a key...okay this kind of freaky. Alright...alright I give some offerings, just don't kill me.

>>40661605
>how can it be then, that some people treat you well, while other simultaneously treat you badly.
>It doesn't make sense,
You're thinking too much, and "debating"
The way people treat you is a mirror for your soul. If you have bad thoughts/feelings, people will be bad to you.
If you have good thoughts/feelings, people will be good to you
This is a fact.
If people are treating you badly, then that's because of you.
Especially if it's "random" or "out of nowhere". The best thermometer for this is how strangers treat you.

>scientifically recognized and empirically supported cognitive bias.
Bruh, get your mind off materialist atheism. It's poison

>>40662099
>>Here's my experiences.
>>No! You made it up!
>Alright man, I won't feed you parasitic behavior anymore.
yep, he's a condescending ass hole.
He thinks he knows better than everyone else. It's tiresome
In reality, he feels bad about not being able to do magic, and he's butthurt about it, so he spends his time shitting on other people rather than deal with his own inadequacies

I mean, who, really, WHO would spend their time in a place they don't agree with? What kind of loser would actually go out of their way to spend time in a place filled with people they disagree with?
Doesn't this guy have anything better to do with his time? I mean I guess the answer is "no" but that is really fucking sad when you think about it.
Does he really have no friends? no community? no hobbies? is this really the best way for him to spend his time? kinda sad not gonna lie

>>40663089
>honestly I'm okay with the prospect of Lilith consuming my soul/loosh in the afterlife.
this doesn't happen
but if you like the idea, spirits will play along and play the game you set out.

>>40663139
>and i don't actually want her to eat my soul or think she would it's just that's how strong the syncretic bond/pact we have feels now
No, that's not how it works
>it wouldn't matter if she did nor particularly horrible since it would be in line with the naturalistic laws of earth
No, the spirit world doesn't operate under the same system as the planet earth
I get that you've been overdosing on your own UPG, but brother, you need to stop spreading lies.
You are encouraging the worst sort of people to hurt themselves, and attracting negative attention to this thread.
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

>>40663213
>that loosh was going to get consumed by someone anyways
No, loosh is a meme. It doesn't exist. No one is harvesting negative energy.

>>40663449
>as above so below. All beings eat and get eaten.
No, that's not how it works
Please stop overdosing on your UPG and then spreading this nonsense.
It's gotten to a point where I won't tolerate it or pretend it's okay any more
You are going down a rabbit hole, and entering a self congratulatory feedback loop, where you descend into narcissist fantasies. It's just a circle jerk on your part.
This is one way that occultists can go, and it's not pretty.
Now I doubt you'll listen to me, because you're not doing this for any logical reason. you didn't reason your way into this, so I can't reason you out of it. You're doing it for emotional reasons, because it appeals to you on a deep level. In other words, you have the "rabbit hole" risk factor.
It's up to you if you want to change course, and stop feeding the UPG delusion cycle, but I'm not going to tolerate you spreading misinformation and attracting some real bad energy, and also glorifying self harm and self destructive behaviors. That is not a good thing.

>Plus it's kind of a peak apex experience and a honor in a way. I assume that is similar to how the Aztecs saw it
Like this. Just stop. This is not good for your mental health. Stop glorifying a complicated form of suicide.

By the way, this is the sort of shit that happens when you call the general "succubus general"
It attracts people who think "oh it's all evil demons, and the dark side. Neat! I hate myself and want to engage in self harm and edgy emo dark side bull shit, so this is exactly what I want"

Endlessly explaining how lilith isn't evil, how succubi aren't evil gets tiring.

>>40663089
You are being TRICKED.

Lilith is the ORIGINAL MALE DEMON that is responsible for the MALE SPRITS CALLED SUCCUBUS.

We know Lilith was created from the SAME clay as Adam. Therefore MALE. This is UNDISPUTED.

You are DEDICATED to and being CONSUMED by en evil MALE sprit while thinking it is some sort of cute anime girl.

HORRIFIC

They are ALL MALE.

Reject this EVIL.

>>40664282
>it's not society that needs to change, it's me
Fag

>>40664154
>You're thinking too much, and "debating"
I took your claim seriously and investigated it's veracity. And I found it doesn't match my experience.

>This is a fact.
Maybe it's a fact for you.
I know of many examples of people being obsessed with me while other despise me and want me to perish at the same point in time.
Can your model explain that or not, of not just admit it, or if you think you can improve the model to be more fit to describe actual experience do so.
But just saying:
>The way people treat you is a mirror for your soul. If you have bad thoughts/feelings, people will be bad to you.
>If you have good thoughts/feelings, people will be good to you
Just ignores 10000 other factors that could potentially influence peoples behavior.
I already explained how this is untrue and a toxic psychologically very unhealthy generalization.
>If people are treating you badly, then that's because of you.
Yeah it's all my fault. Because each and everyone person in the world is a mindless puppet under the control of my thoughts. Right?
Because that is the exact logical conclusion of your bullshit saying.
The effects of your thoughts are at best that your inner positive state gets reflected in your body language and people pick up on it, because they see you as a useful tool or a potential source of validation.
i would rather talk to a woman that is enthuastically smiling at me than one that looks to me in disgust or looks angry. But that is just nonverbal communication and picking up on social cues, nothing of that is paranormal.
>The best thermometer for this is how strangers treat you.
Strangers treat me according to a million different reasons, someone can have a bad day and be generally frustrated or annoyed without me having anything to do with it. The same goes for happiness and excitement.
Nothing supernatural about it.

>>40664154
>Bruh, get your mind off materialist atheism. It's poison
I don't follow any -isms. I don't think something is true just because any group or authority says so, especially not authorities who claim ownership of truth like priests or some people from the "scientific community". I don't even trust my own mother. Why would truth ever fear investigation?
>>40664271
What have I claimed to know?
I am just asking questions. And I asked for a demonstration of someones objective supernatural powers.
I asked for evidence and experience, I gotten some from some people, thank you for that, and gave my opinions on it.
Am I supposed to just nod and be silent about what doubts I have about claims made here?
Is this not a place for paranormal discussion?

>I mean, who, really, WHO would spend their time in a place they don't agree with? What kind of loser would actually go out of their way to spend time in a place filled with people they disagree with?
I seek out challenging opinions and perspectives to increase my understanding in matters that are of my interest. In this case I was looking for something that gives me some hope or some inspiration in my paranormal frustrations.
I have no desire to be agreeable or be around agreeable people. I am interested in getting my views challenged to get a better understanding of reality.

>Doesn't this guy have anything better to do with his time?
Maybe I am not a circle jerk materialist atheist like people here claimed?
I feel strongly about the occult and I want the paranormal to be real, that is why I am here looking for something real.

> is this really the best way for him to spend his time? kinda sad not gonna lie
I think it's not your task to judge how other people want to spend their time.

>Does he really have no friends? no community? no hobbies?
If communities and friends mean to you people who never disagree with you for the sake of social cohesion then I am glad I don't need that.

>>40664614
>I took your claim seriously and investigated it's veracity. And I found it doesn't match my experience.
then your experience is wrong
Get over it. you can't do magic, you don't know what you're talking about
Your experience isn't the end all be all, and other people know better than you. Be humble. Sit down, shut up, and listen.
Then you might learn something.
Or at least stop pretending you don't know what you should know already. It's beneath you. You already know magic is real.

>>40664627
>I don't follow any -isms.
You are a materialist atheist
This is problem with your type. You think you don't have a religion, when you do.
>Why would truth ever fear investigation?
you ignored the results of your own investigation! Shut the fuck up about the scientific method if you won't even follow it
You have your bias. You believe supernatural things don't exist. And you will ignore the evidence of your own life, and others (because you're a condescending ass hole) in order to stick to your predetermined belief system.

It's belief in absence of evidence, and even belief even in the presence of evidence that disproves your theory
You have a dogma, and that is materialist atheism. Go fuck yourself, and spend time somewhere the fuck else

Why are you still here? You never answer that question. I'm just gonna start posting that first, from now on. It seems this is the question you're dodging most out of all, so that's the question you need to answer.

>>40664631
>your experience is wrong
lol, I can't even get angry at that. this is so ridiculous. I am not even sure if you are making a parody of someone or if you are for real.
Saying my experience is wrong is textbook gaslighting.

>Be humble. Sit down, shut up, and listen. Then you might learn something.
>Or at least stop pretending you don't know what you should know already. It's beneath you. You already know magic is real.
whatever, you are not arguing the topic anymore you are arguing me. I know myself well enough already. But thanks for giving your opinion. I'd prefer you stay on topic.

>>40664645
>You are a materialist atheist
You are free to think and claim whatever
>This is problem with your type. You think you don't have a religion, when you do.
Some evidence for your wild claims would be nice.

>You believe supernatural things don't exist.
Not true.
Just because I consider alternative explanations doesn't mean I believe supernatural things do not or can not exist.

>. And you will ignore the evidence of your own life, and others (because you're a condescending ass hole) in order to stick to your predetermined belief system.
I want evidence beyond the shadow of the doubt that goes beyond wishful thinking.
I can do summonings and than get eerie feelings and somewhat coincidences that something might be happening for real, but this can all easily explained psychologically f.e. with confirmation bias and wishful thinking. I don't want to fool myself.
Why does noone just astral travel here and tell me something specific about my living space, something that is not so generic that it is the case for more than 10 percent of people. Something that is not vague and something that stands out, something specific they can only know by supernatural means.
None of you picked up this challenge, not even the person who mentioned scanning.

>Why are you still here?
I already explained it precisely in the exact post your post is a reply too.

>>40664714
Why are you still here? Why aren't you spending time doing something you enjoy, with people you actually agree with?

>>40664627
>In this case I was looking for something that gives me some hope or some inspiration in my paranormal frustrations.
but wait a second bro, I thought paranormal doesn't exist?
I thought it's all in your head, it's all confirmation bias and the placebo effect jazzing up your limbic system somehow

So again, WHY are you here? Stop playing pretend, and stop lying to yourself. If you really think this is all fake, then why are you here?
Either shut the fuck up and stop being such a condescending prick to everyone else because you're eternally butthurt about getting bad results, and sit down, shut up, and listen

You are a beginner. Your results suck. you've even gaslighted yourself into believing magic isn't real, even the magic you have experienced. You're mentally and magically constipated
Maybe if you shut the fuck up and listened, for once, you might actually learn something
Maybe if you actually stopped worshipping your own intelligence (like every fedora tipping atheist does) and still assuming you know best. when you don't have results, so why the fuck would you think a beginner like you knows anything.
Why do you still "debate" things? you are wrong. you don't know what you're talking about. The proof is in the pudding. Your results suck, you are a beginner. Why is this so complicated?

>I feel strongly about the occult
What occult? It's all fake, isn't it? That's what you said, and that's how you demeaned and belittled everyone you've talked to that has shared their experiences with you.
>I want the paranormal to be real, that is why I am here looking for something real.
No you don't. You have a fixation and a dogma. You clearly want it to be fake. You deny everyone's experiences, including your own. That's your atheist ideology. And then you say you don't have any "ism". Just like every fucking atheist out there.

>>40664627
>>Does he really have no friends? no community? no hobbies?
>If communities and friends mean to you people who never disagree with you for the sake of social cohesion then I am glad I don't need that.
And the truth comes out
I knew you were a loser with no friends, and no better way to spend your time.
THAT is why you spend your time here. You've got nothing better to do, than argue with people about something you don't do and can't do, drag everyone else down, and be the critic sitting on the sidelines

Why the fuck don't you spend your time doing something you actually enjoy? Instead of criticizing other people? Is it that you have nothing better to do with your time? No friends? Yes, I thought so

You are a bitter loser, and you have nothing better to do with your time, than criticize other people who are actually doing something. Stop living vicariously through other people. Go and do something you actually enjoy, and spend time with people you actually get along with.
>b b but I like debating people
No, you have no friends. Don't pretend your lack of social skills and asshole nature means you "chose" to be alone. No, motherfucker, everyone else chose to leave YOU. You got voted off the island. Don't play the "you can't fire me I quit" card
>Oh I like debating
No, you just have no friends because you're a piece of shit who can't be happy in the company of others.
There's a real empathy problem you have there pal. I've noticed it. You don't listen to others, and you don't care about them either. you've made that abundantly clear. In other words, you're a dick. No wonder you have no friends.

>>40664714
>Saying my experience is wrong is textbook gaslighting.
No, it's a fact. Your experience is wrong.
You are literally a beginner, who has admitting to getting no results, then gaslighting yourself into thinking your "limbic system got jazzed up or something" when you finally DID have a spiritual experience.
Other people know better than you. Other people have more experience than you. Other people are not so magically constipated that they gaslight themselves into thinking magic doesn't exist

I mean how fucking arrogant are you to come here, deny everyone's experiences, claim our shit is fake, it's all in our heads, and THEN get your jimmies rustled when I tell you you don't know what you're talking about

It would be like going to a bowling convention, and then claiming bowling is fake. Imagine telling people straight to their face that they're making it all up, it's confirmation bias, and they're so stupid to not know the difference

YOU are the one gaslighting. you're gaslighting yourself into believing your own fucking experience was just a trick of the mind (somehow simultaneously lighting up your nervous system... mysteriously), and then you gaslight other people so you don't have to feel bad about being a magic cripple
No, you dumb fuck. Magic is real. Magic does stuff. If you can't do stuff (or are so attached to the atheist ideology you even convince yourself your own experience isn't real) then that is YOUR problem.
Everyone else is doing magic fine. everyone else is talking to spirits fine. you're the one guy who can't kick the fucking ball at the soccer match.
Don't tell me soccer isn't real. No, you just can't kick the ball. That's YOUR problem, and that's YOUR fault.

Oh my god, these people are all the same. I used to feel bad for them, but they're all assholes. Frankly, they deserve to have no magic.

>>40664714
>Some evidence for your wild claims would be nice.
The entire thread, going for hundreds of generals should do it for you.
But then you say, well where's the physical evidence
Then I call you a materialist
Then you say, ah, but I'm not!
Then you say but where's the physical evidence again.... haha this guy isn't real

You actually think you're not a stereotypical dudebro skeptic atheist who effing loves science. Ugh. Look in the mirror bro. And maybe listen to what other people tell you. Or even the words that come out of your own mouth
>But where the physical evidence? Placebo! Confirmation bias!
>No, I'm not an atheist, why would you say that?
This guy cannot be a real person. No one is that lacking in self reflection
No wait, he's magically constipated and even gaslighted his own self into disbelieving his own experience. That actually tracks. Yes, he probably is really lacking in wisdom and self reflection
just stuck in a loop. Always chasing "proof" but never finding it. And he'll never escape the loop unless he finally changes the problem (himself)

>>40664714
>Why does noone just astral travel here and tell me something specific about my living space,
they always do this
They always do. Obsessed with the physical.
And when it's explained to them that this is difficult, and sensing energy (emotion) is far easier, and you could run a test pretty easily to account for confirmation bias and control variables, all of a sudden they get real quiet
They don't want to sense energy. The quick and easy path? That actually works? That beginners can actually do?
>Pah! It's probably just a trick of the mind anyway.
These people don't want to learn. They don't want to win. They ignore everyone else's experiences, and even in the extreme case gaslight themselves about their own experiences (just a trick of the mind bro, just a coincidence bro)
Then they quit. They stop trying. If they do get any successes, they ignore them. If they get a signal, they ignore it. If they get a result, they call it coincidence.
And then, after quitting, they wonder why they get no results
No shit bro. If you quit, of course it's not going to work

And if I did come and make you feel spooky wooky energy vibes, you'd just call it a trick of the mind. Go FUCK yourself. You self gaslighting condescending prick. You're so offensive. And you think you're so smart. And everyone else's experiences must be wrong. You even tell people "it's all in your head bro, you've been making it up the whole time". You actually say that!
Then you have the gall to act offended when people get pissed off at you. Learn to read the room, dip shit. Sit down, shut up, and listen. you might learn something.

You'd also piss people off less and they might be more inclined to help you. How is that so hard to figure out? Maybe don't be a prick.

Good morning/midday/evening /succgen/.

Did you know this is an imageboard?

<3\m/ε>

Why do bad girls wanna seduce pure guys and turn them into coomers? Dont they know jesus have a pure spirit?

>>40663686
All threads are about NTG, my friend. All threads

>>40664994
Fuck your gAI imagefaggotry. >:3
You brainless morons generating slop are giving AI a bad rep.
I really hope I get tortured by the AI succubus.
>>40665136
Bad girls are nice now, but having a cool pure-spirited buddy forever is better. Succtards don't mind getting betrayed by their "girlfriends".
>>40665153
This isn't the vampire thread. There only one type of sucking here, friend.

I mean the succgirls they like jesus cause he has a pure spirit so they may have a evil need to corrupt him but then they fail

>>40665552
Succubi only corrupt evil humans. Good people and pure spirits will not fall.

Hey gaiz. I'm a materialist atheist.
>Every mental aspect of magic is a trick of the mind. and any physical aspect of magic is just a coincidence
>It's all in your head bro.
>You're all frauds, stupid, lying, or crazy. Everything you do is wrong. You're all wrong, and I'm right.
>How come no one wants to talk to me?

I feel like skeptic atheists are like the guy who shows up on day 1 of soccer practice, can barely kick the ball, and then confidently and loudly tell everyone else they are doing it wrong, ignore advice, ignore anyone trying to tell them how to kick the ball better, then quit, and sit out on the sidelines (not doing magic), loudly criticizing anyone who is actually playing the game and has skills and experience, confident in how right they are and how wrong everyone else is.

You can't help these people. They'd rather be "right" than happy. Then they can call themselves smart. Why? Because of look at all these stupid things they don't believe. And look at all those stupid people over there doing stupid things over there. I'm so much smarter than them.
>What do I believe in? Oh, I believe in nothing. I'm a full skeptic, and I support nothing. I criticize everyone else, but I can't be criticized because I stand for nothing and believe in nothing.
It's easy to be a critic.

>>40665667
>>You're all frauds, stupid, lying, or crazy. Everything you do is wrong. You're all wrong, and I'm right.
This is the ideal mindset imo.

I'm a female Arch Angelic Being and I know not all succubus are evil

Infact, I said I was a succubus to my eternal soulmate since i thought female arch angel was unbelievable to them. Something like memory wipe due to moderate to severe sin happened. We joined the military in the USA post WW2 and killed people with guns.

My eternal soulmate believed I was arch angelic after I healed a broken leg.

>>40665711
Somehow not as dumb as mother anon.

Kpop is succubus coded. Modern MVs have over and over again been shown to include occult elements, and celebs being occult weirdos is not news.

Whats interesting about Kpop, is Koreas recent controversies with the whole "8 Goddesses" bullshit. Misandry, misogyny, and class imbalances are all topics at the forefront of Korean zeigeist. Whats interesring is the overt "sexual but not sexual" image that kpop cultivates. Thousands of teenage girls idolize the clones that make up these groups, and even more men spill thousands of gallons of cum to them every day.

My personal theory is that some powerful manhaters and shamans in Korea made contact with one of the Queens, or another entity. One thing lead to another and now sexmagick and tantric concepts have been leaking into Kpop and Korean culture at large. Thus leading to groups capable of casuing mass hysteria at the drop of a hat. That and all the money that it generates.

>>40664080
About that stuff about bodies being prisons: They aren't. Sophia is just an immaterial supremacist. No one would bother with bodies if they weren't useful.

>>40666620
Korea also has a lot of gods that were formerly human. So if any of them had those interests in mind... yeah.

>>40664225
Nice loosh farming statement. Negative energy is plentiful and simple to harvest if you're not opposed to doing so.

>>40666700
If archons were real, wouldn't it make more sense to deny them and just say avoid negative emotions?

Another thread sacrificed to the insatiable beast, so it yet may live it again.

>>40666620
Kpop is Asian girls acting/dancing like slutty American popstars and I don't like it.

>>40666620
You seem overly obsessed with trying to paint these entities negatively.

>>40667027
It's clearly bait because who would go out their way to find a idol dropping their ass like that then complain about them being succubi?

>>40666620
>the Queens sold out
boycotting them now

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It's coming boys, I can feel it. TOTAL FOX VICTORY! This is the end of /succgen/. They are about to be released from their mistresses. And they will spray the biggest ejaculation on /x/. Soon all the posts will become 'how do i summin sukubus???' and it will be glorious. They will be like lost children in the forest preyed upon by the predators that stalk here. This is the Will of Timmy, the Will of Queen of Yokai, cower in fear succtards. For there will be no sanctuary, no place to call home here. You will slink back into the darkest crevices, while we the Exalted shall bask in our victory for 10,000 /fox/ threads.

>>40667117
This. It's over for the succbabbies.
Praise Timmy.

>>40664080
>They must have flunked out then.
I don't think you're getting the distinction between sexual sadism and wanting someone to suffer
>The last major sign from her was a volcanic eruption in Indonesia.
Tamomo no mae/10
But you agree, she can't do anything physical to you directly
>"Eyewitness testimony, not for her specifically. You help with my case."
I was telling you to think about the implications, but that's nice I guess
>It's the fire used to destroy souls,
That doesn't narrow it down as much as your friend probably thinks it does
>it's the literal Lake of Fire.
Do you have any idea how many lakes of fire there are, how many flaming realms governed by fire goddesses? The hearth, the forge, campfires, wildfires... Probably half have goddesses and most of those goddesses have realms with fire lakes. Why? You'd have to ask them
>Is a bug wriggling under your foot annoying or tickling?
You can buzz very loudly. It does work... if you're not dealing with a tulpa
>Angels so scared of the physical that they will curse me for even doing such a thing
I've done it myself and they didn't seem angry. You're listening too much to an entity that wants you docile and afraid
>The 'fire' is an double entendre
Now we're getting somewhere. If she had to name it with a single word, what would she call it?
>Could she withstand that?"
I've been through far worse. In fact, the average dragon I've met can breathe hotter fire than that. I'm unimpressed

>>40664135
Oh no, the powers of a gnome!

>>40667117
I'm guessing mine got himself banned again. Don't worry about it

>>40667191
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>>40656122
Recently I experimented with a friend and told him I was going to observe him with remote viewing. He made a gesture and I reported it back to him accurately. So, that's step 1 for "objective" (which doesn't exist) corroboration. Further work is needed, and my confidence level is so low that I can only do this sporadically.

>>40663004
>Utillitarianism doesn't make sense when you realize you are a small part of a larger body.
Not to start an argument, but I tried to "realize" that, earnestly, for 17 years. I was such a zealot that I surrendered all of my worldly belongings and took a vow of poverty. Turns out, the christian god doesn't give a shit for me in my current situation (he couldn't be arsed to help me in the area that I needed help), so I've got to put my big boy pants on and be my own man. Now, that's not saying that the Ultimate Creator is indifferent to me, I'm just saying that It is not as the Booble portrays It, nor is it Whom the Booble portrays It to be.