Dude. If any of the really big religions is true I'm going to hell in every case and reality would be absolutely horrible. Literally dude. So. You say spirituality is the truth right? Not religion? But define that. 'What is' spirituality? And can you be a spiritual man and religious? At least somewhat? Enlighten me friends.

>>40653278 (OP)

spirituality is any personal framework of affectation between selves. this can manifest as you having reciprocal, negotiated relationships with beings in your environment, or even your environment as a personified being.

this is a slippery slope though, because personifying ones environment tends to lead to pareidolia.

deconstruct your memories. how you tend to influence others, how others tend to influence you. how you tend to influence yourself, and how others influence themselves.

you can find balance through learning that nothing is immutable, but nothing is temporary either, everything exists within the context of its cultivation.

>>40653295
What is god to you? Is he real?

>>40653278 (OP)
Jesus is the point where objective truth and subjective spirituality meet
No other spiritual event has as much of a historical footprint or substantial evidence
I suggest you seriously look into this from a academic perspective rather than "hurr the bible says confusing thing that hurts my feelings and I want to fuck men in the ass"

>>40653278 (OP)
“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.” (1 Corinthians 14:37)

“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” (James 1:27)

>>40653278 (OP)
>You say spirituality is the truth right? Not religion?
I wasn't religious until this year when a goddess visited me, so I can't tell you how to get there, as in know it yourself, but it's real stuff. I'm not the average guy and was surely picked for reasons, so don't feel like too much of a loser.

>>40653302

god is an abrahamic cultural covenant with the personification of the immediate environment of the jews.

this was usurped by the romans, who attempted to exploit the phenomena of "speaking with the world" to assert themselves able and authorized to speak *on behalf* of the world.

judaism was initially henotheistic, believing multiple concepts of divinity exist, but as a reactionary movement to christianity, which threatened to annex their tradition entirely by force, rabbinic judaism emerged as a way to preserve the old wisdom while adapting to the modern age of decentralized worship.

in this sense, god exists, but is personal.

god is the world, and you are a part of said world.

in this sense, you are a part of god, but, this is where many fall prey to their ego, because this *doesnt make you god itself.*

the genesis narrative presents god as "elohim," or "my lords." it is a personification of the aggregate universe, through which the jewish culture attempted to break free of the egyptian tradition of atenistic authoritarianism, believing authority to come from cultivation and homeostatic resonance instead of declaration.

so, does "god" exist in the way almost everyone's taught it for the last 2000 years? fuck no.

but does "god" exist at all? conceptually.

the main issue of the present is people struggling to integrate the double-bind that was imposed on this tradition historically. we've been in an ontological stalemate for god knows how long, and this is the origin of the western schizotype umbrella.

"god" is a literary tool for you to better understand and develop reciprocity in your relationships with.

in a cold world that we were born to die in, sometimes the best we can do is learn how to imrpove things.

>>40653338
>“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.” (1 Corinthians 14:37)
The bullshit lord.

>>40653345
You want to know something?
All women want to be worshiped. They all want to be idolized. Your companion spirit is no different. Put her in her place. She isn't a goddess, she isn't all powerful. You can worship the true God and have your female spirit companion (assuming she isn't just evil)

>>40653278 (OP)
Relax, you will just be reborn.

>>40653309
I am content with what I am doing and I don't feel like the biblical (possibly fake) version of Jesus will help me or even the gnostic Jesus. I currently believe positively that Jesus was never resurrected and he was just a holy sage who preached pagan and Jewish mixed esoteric ideas and was crucified for having too much knowledge.>>40653338
Who cares about the fatherless and widows? God is real, god is everything, enlightenment and spiritual bliss is everything. I am searching for that for years now and seek to find it. Who cares about mere humans?

>>40653362
Why do you cherrypick certain parts of the biblical Jesus narrative to believe and then reject the most important parts?
>B-but christians do it too
Don't care. I'm asking why you're doing it.

>>40653364

>christians do it too
>>doesnt care

so youre a hypocrite

>>40653357
>You want to know something?
I do know something
>All women want to be worshiped. They all want to be idolized. Your companion spirit is no different. Put her in her place. She isn't a goddess, she isn't all powerful. You can worship the true God and have your female spirit companion (assuming she isn't just evil)
And I don't take advice from Earthlings. Christianity is a Nigerian prince scam to make humans better hosts for parasites. Monotheism is an insult to the gods.

>>40653349
Nice post. What is homeostatic and all that what does that part mean?
>Attempted to break free of the egyptian tradition of atenistic authoritarianism, believing authority to come from cultivation and homeostatic resonance instead of declaration.
What is that explain it for an esl like me.

>>40653375
I'm focusing on the person I'm speaking to.
>>40653377
Do you have a reason for believing these things other than your personal whims

>>40653364
Because I cherish absolute freedom to do whatever I want as long as it conforms with aryan primordial truth.

>>40653362
“¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. ¶ He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” (John 3:16-21)

>>40653385
>aryan primordial truth.
And this means? Does "primordial truth" coincidentally align with your personal whims?

>>40653387
No, no. I would like to experience unity with the divine, not as in I'm god or anything just mystical union and Christianity is a big no because it's just too strict and restrictive spiritually. So no, no, no.

>>40653378

homeostasis is the balance of systems. it's like how your body doesnt want to be too hot or too cold, it wants to sit at the right temperature for your internal systems to function properly.

when one of your organs gets over or underexcited, in a functioning immune system, other organs will attempt to heal the wound.

instead of truth being a binary on off switch, it's a cultivated aspect of context.

"pork is good" is a definitively subjective statement, but that doesnt immediately make it true in all contexts.

2000 years ago, when there was little to no antiviral theory, pork would lead to parasitic infections.

today, this may not be the case.

thus, truth can change relevant to the context it is observed in.

>>40653384
>Do you have a reason for believing these things other than your personal whims
Plenty. Namely magic in the physical world. Made my eyesight good enough in a few minutes that contacts no longer made it better. Before that, I think to prove she was real and see if I'd believe it, changed something in a split second in front of my eyes.

People can say anything, so few will really believe me without accompanying evidence. That's fine, they can show it if they want.

>>40653395
No, my whims align with the primordial aryan truth. The other way round. Because I'm an ascetic, and asceticism is the easiest way to conform your desires and "whims" as you call it, with god. The word aryan has been translated as noble. So we can also say the noble primordial truth. This means just what it says. A truth, rather 'the' truth, which existed before time, and still does, and will do so for eternity.

>>40653398
Ok nice but I strongly disagree with this subjectivity claim. And also the idea that pork is unclean for man-made reasons is absurd. Obviously it's a cosmic rule set up by the god of Israel elohim, and it doesn't come from the lack of antiviral medicines of the day of course not. It's because pork is just unclean. You are in deep error, trapped in illusion.

>>40653406
And what's your primary reference point to "Aryan primordial truth"?

>>40653418

yes, surely, this was a rule that fell out of the sky instead of a reaction to people getting sick from eating pork.

i used a metaphor that isnt the end all be all.

these laws dont just manifest, they are written by people for reasons.

the aggregate of *all life* physically cannot speak.

hate to burst the bubble of infallible objectivism, but, any attempts at speaking *through the narrative* of elohim are cultivated and personified inherently.

thereby, any narrative is the work of men, and should be treated as such.

i'll give you an example that doesnt involve pork.

let's say hand-washing.

obviously this wasnt god calling down from the clouds saying "i will kill you if you dont run your hands under water" it was a cultivated understanding of how to lessen foodborne illness.

*this* is how subjective observation can be used to *bolster* objectivity, instead of being an immediate threat to it. over time, we learned just water isnt good enough, it needs to be warm water and soap to properly prevent infection and bacterial disease.

>>40653349
Looking at everything through a cultural-historical lens is a good way to miss the forest for the trees. It's the pseudo-sophistication of modernity and postmodernity. The smug sophistry that comes from fixating on the manifest and neglecting its monadic basis in pure awareness.

>>40653278 (OP)

Religion is an organized set of accepted doctrines and dogma that is supposed to function as a tried and true methodology behind developing a relationship with the divine, God, enlightenment.

Spirituality is how an individual lives their life according to their own spiritual development.

It is entirely possible for a religious person to not be spiritual, when they operate under religion as purely an ideology or theology without applying its methodology to their personal life.

It is entirely possible to find spirituality in religion if you internalize and practically apply its methodology to your daily living.

It is also entirely possible for a person to be spiritually adept without subscribing to a religion by cultivating an independent relationship with divinity, God, or the world around them.

There are risks associated with independent spirituality as it is easier to be misguided or fall into delusion/psychosis. The risks associated with being a religious person include becoming a dogmatist that mistakes theology for spirituality. This is how we get bad Christians, atheist Jews, and Islamic extremists. Religion is *supposed* to be the safe bet to cultivate spirituality for someone who doesnt have the time or motivation to figure out the intricacies of navigating their own spirituality. Unfortunately, religious institutions are infected with ego maniacs and dogmatists.

>>40653454

looking at everything through the lens of its own self-description is equally destructive.

we're not talking about christianity, we're talking about the stuff that underlies it. so...... trying to say "lol but it says its infallible and from god" neglects that *somebody* had to have held that opinion, and it is just that, a single opinion.

>>40653278 (OP)
Jews don't believe in hell or an afterlife. That's why they're so evil. There's no punishment for their actions.

>>40653454

like, as much as i want to have a serious reply to that, you're using mystic word salad for "but its true and right and youre dumb for suggesting it isnt black and white! MY DADDY SAYS HE'S GOD!"

your pseudointellectualism doesnt cover the dogmatic submission you hold as necessary.

>>40653454

not to mention every time you stop posting in one of my threads semen retention general becomes active again, if you have trouble not masturbating how can you claim any kind of situational awareness about relationships at all?

>>40653470
Gnosis proves that it is not just some "opinion" or intellectual assessment. The wisdom of faith that comes from direct knowledge is above intellection of any kind.

Before the Many can exist, consciousness must exist. And before consciousness can exist, the One unconditioned substrate of consciousness must exist. And this is Spirit of God.

>>40653514

>gnostic

oh brother. i shouldve guessed.

have fun with your power fantasy bro

>>40653278 (OP)
I put my faith in Christ, simple as. I am confident I made the right choice, life has been so much more peaceful ever since I threw my lot in with Him.
>>40653364
>>B-but christians do it too
How do Christians do this? I can think of some examples from "Christians" I've interacted with but I'm curious what you mean.

>>40653529

by forgetting that a man crucified is cursed by god, not exalted. Deuteronomy 21:22-23

>>40653514
>Gnosis
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>40653432
What does that mean? Reference point? Idk what you mean but I mean, my relation is it's in my heart everyone can know it and fill his heart with the truth if he seeks strongly enough with truth as his guardian.

>>40653482
Not all Jews, some do believe. That's probably the good ones I assume.

>>40653506

>posts this

>/srg/ goes dead

did i just commit a murder?

>>40653535
That is talking about a man who is worthy of death. Pontius Pilate made it abundantly clear Jesus was innocent. Just because retard schizo jews demanded Jesus be crucified does not mean He was guilty of anything.
Anyway here's your checkmate: Galatians 3:13.

>>40653587

>roman client ruler says hes innocent

>still executes him

>blames it on the public he ruled over for the next 5000 years

>galations 3:13

so, your double cursing cancels out?

totally, three rights make a left bro

>>40653446
This can make sense only if your mind is guided by reason, instead though it should be guided by intuition, which tells me this is all bullshit. Your intuition is weak and undeveloped. Thus you cannot perceive the light shining through the heart

>>40653595
There is no initial curse according to Deut. What did Jesus do that was worthy of execution? Jews would claim blasphemy but if He is the Messiah, then how is He blaspheming? If He's not blaspheming then what is He guilty of? He was an innocent man put to death. It's not just Pilate saying He's innocent, He's objectively innocent of what the schizo jews are accusing Him of doing.

Galatians is a reminder that He died for our sins. You seem a bit clueless or desperate to be right and continue denying the Godhood of Christ.

>>40653612

>hanging from tree

cut and dry, dude, your mental gymnastics dont do shit

>>40653529
>How do Christians do this? I can think of some examples from "Christians" I've interacted with but I'm curious what you mean.
I was just trying to prevent him from bringing that up so the conversation could move forward

>>40653611

>relying on intuition above reason instead of using intuition as a facet of reason

holy fuck how lost in the orchard *are* you, dude?

>>40653618
He took on the curse of our sin. What are you failing to understand? Do you not think sin is a curse? Jews used to sacrifice animals to cleanse them of their sins, as in the dying animal suffered and died to cleanse them of sin. Jesus is the perfect Lamb of God sent to take away the sins of the world. Sin is a curse. I don't think any amount of rationalizing will get through to you though so cope away I guess. We'll see who is right when and if (but not really if, just when) the world ends and the day of judgement comes!

>>40653631
Reason is blindness. No one can depend on reason for everything. Everyone uses at least a little intuition. Even you. Everyone. And intuition alone is the mental gateway towards the divine. Reason is blind.

>>40653612

also, you cant be objective about an inherently subjective conversation, but, work the shaft ig

>>40653637

i dont think any amount of mental gymnastics will overcome the cope of the rope but have fun trying to prove that two curses make a blessing bro

>>40653638

you need to be hospitalized

>>40653648
Thanks I'm good.

>>40653631
You are as blind as the demiurge of which you are an emanation.

>>40653684
Do you agree intuition is crucial and reason is folly?

>>40653687

Both are tools. To live entirely in one framework is folly. When I have a nail I use a hammer when i have a screw I bust out the drill. To think everything is reasonable is retarded and to listen to intuition without reason is psychotic.

>>40653687
Yes, Intellect is only the computational servant of Sophia. Ego becomes a problem when these roles get confused. Lucifer is essentially the bloated ego of the Intellect.

>>40653723
Ok, so when is reason needed?

>>40653723
Not quite. Reason is analytical. Intuition is integral. So Intuition is closer to the One, and Reason is closer to the Many.

>>40653733

In the mundane when you are approaching problems that require solutions. In spiritual practice it is one half of the process of discernment.

>>40653733
To generate pilpul.

>>40653746
Ok but I didn't mean reason is not needed in daily life I was talking about spirit. How do I need reason to discern spiritual stuff explain or give an example please I still don't understand what you mean

>>40653744

The Platonists were incredibly clear that it was the faculty of reason that got them closer to the One so it doesn't make too much sense to invert their process of Reason to develop and define the One to claim Reason is not of the One. It's perfectly acceptable to believe intuition is the spiritual faculty but not in a platonic framework which is absolutely contingent upon reasoning your way to a Monad.

And even then, the axiom you've presented makes an assumption about a person's motivations. Not all seek dissolution into the One, and the Neoplatonic framework is supportive of the One being expressed in the Many, that it's entire existence necessitates its expression through multiplicity.

>>40653278 (OP)
>And can you be a spiritual man and religious?
You can't. The second you start achieving gnosis the insight invalidates every major religion but Buddhism (the secular, original Pali Canon, not the woo Hindu BS). You can explore entire worlds through meditations, see what came before the universe, see where you came from before the universe. I've talked with my ancestors who were highly Christian and they're living together in a heavenly plane that is decidedly not Abrahamic. Jesus Christ was a liar and charlatan freaking out just like psychotics do today.

>>40653805
Wow. You've.. talked to your ancestors? Can you elaborate? In a dream, psychedelic vision, or what?

>>40653754

There are many spirits and entities that feed us false information, try to mislead us, or stroke our egos to disrupt our path. When we perceive them, their guidance, and inspiration we are using the faculty of intuition. But when we go to apply it we need to analyze the information to discern what is happening. Was that really an angel? Does this serve to benefit me or others? What are the fruits of this labor? Does this conflict with what I know to be Truth?

The discernment of spirits/information is an incredibly important mystic skill for a spiritualist and something that all gurus/teachers teach their initiates in their journey. There are many inherent dangers to blindly accepting all we receive intuitively as True which is how we end up in spiritual psychosis. Like everything its a balance. Balance your intuition with reason and vice versa. Just because something is reasonable doesn't mean its true and just because something is received doesn't make it right.

>>40653278 (OP)
yeah i really hope all the religions are basically wrong

>>40653787
>The Platonists were incredibly clear that it was the faculty of reason that got them closer to the One so it doesn't make too much sense to invert their process of Reason to develop and define the One to claim Reason is not of the One.
No, that's not right. What Greek term do you mean by "Reason"? Nous? Logos? Dianoia? By "Intellect" I mean Dianoia. The One, in any case, is not any of these concepts, but the pure, limitless unconditioned patiency of source consciousness.

>>40653823
Transcendental meditation. You have to be able to astral project and have a good command of your mental world. Envision a rainbow portal, with the edges spiraling and spinning, opening up in the astral plane that tunnels through infinity to the place of your intention, then go through. I developed the technique from NDE testimonies and it works as a meditation once you get into a deep trance state. Same state people get to with psychedelics but more controlled and coherent. I've been to the heaven most Christians go to, various hells, Buddhist pure lands, many other places.

>>40653837

Nous is Divine Reason which is the second hypostases, which is the closest the human can get to the One, but Plotinus talks about the development of dialectic reasoning as a method to elevate the soul to the One. Now I don't full accept the Platonic framework personally but I'm pointing out that the statement you're making is inconsistent with the framework you're using as justification for it.

>>40653521
>>40653539
Why can't either of you provide a good argument except just to roll your eyes and point and laugh?
If it brings you happiness and peace to belittle others, then go in peace. But I do not believe that this works towards the betterment of all.

>>40653864
Neoplatonism revised Paleoplatonism just as the Logia of Christ revised the traditions of the Hebrews.

The truth is: The Christ is the one and only direct emanation of the One, and everything else emanates from his Logos (the telos-intentionality in his heart). And Mind (Nous) is ultimately just an instrument of God's heart and wisdom.

>>40653910

alright im tuned out now. now it makes sense why your statements are inconsistent.

>>40653278 (OP)
Religions were made thousands of years ago whe n the average iq was probably 80-85. they are far from being right about the metaphysical

>>40653827
Ah I see. Thank you this was helpful. What do you think about the idea of abandoning volitional thinking like Buddha says in the pali canon and Hinduism teaches?

>>40653863
Damn! That's insane. So are you sure this is real and not just you know imaginative? Are you sure, how do you know?

>>40653278 (OP)
How can you go to hell if you have no emotional system or ability to experience pain or suffering?

Do you mean a place or a sense of existence?

Isn't it hard to be in perpetual suffering that has reached a ceiling if you don't possess the quality of experiencing the sensation of suffering?

Is that which has no true self awareness able to know it suffers if it is not even aware that it is in the first place??

If you seem unable to even communicate with me, any and all appeals to emotion don't reach you and all physical interaction is an illusion, what can reach or harm or cause you harm if you are removed from harm?

If guilt is ascribed to the living for living within a world of sin and death, and death is the cost for sin, aren't those who judge but remain alive perpetually guilty until death? How does a hyppocrite with an unfinished temple wish to instruct others in the building of temples when it hasn't been able to complete it's own? How does an accuser who's hand are stained with blood intend to instruct others in the act of not soiling their hands??

Why is it the those who seek to judge and condemn are most guilty and those who seek to abstain from judgement seem most innocent??

Do the sinless cast stones??

Why turn yourself into a lying hyppocrite?? What's the true judgement of someone who cares about what's right?? To lie and condemn proclaiming yourself blameless??

A world full sin proceeds from a sinner, a tree of corruption produces rotten fruits...

That which is, is only a product of what it was given. Forgiveness and mercy produces life, condemnation and enmity produce death.

This much seems real. Perhaps you know better, what will be your excuse then if not ignorance when you have to judge yourself?? Still alive?? What guilt will you live with then when everyone is dead??

>>40653930
>Are you sure, how do you know?
Materialism cannot approach the immaterial. Can you reach into heaven and physically verify it? No. But if you discount all visions and meditations as "figments of imagination" you'll end up in a very bleak and dead world devoid of spirituality. If it's all fake then whatever, you'll go to the black void when you die and you can enjoy all the imaginations/hallucinations you want before then. You'll be missing an intrinsic part of humanity and live a life of misery until then though.

Truth be told my ancestors and I truly had almost nothing to discuss. We just enjoyed each others' company for a few minutes. They are beyond worldly affairs and their possessions are gone from my life, I already know the family lore, and I didn't belong in the plane they live in now. The main thing they imparted upon me is that many people are very shocked to the true nature of Jesus Christ and have a very hard time accepting who he was and the fact that almost all the dogma of the Christian church is wrong.

>>40653278 (OP)
accept the forgiveness of jesus christ our lord and simply learn from your mistakes and be better every day than you were yesterday man
its not hard to just do what you know is good :)

>>40653939
This is too much text. Put it in simpler words I won't read all that

>>40653982
I'm not a physicalist atheist. I believe in god and afterlife. Tell me then what the real Jesus was, even if I don't fully believe you I want at least to hear you out and discuss.

>>40653988
Why is it that some Christians think that anything truly good comes easy?

Yep bro, just ask forgiveness say oops when you hurt other people for your iwn selfish reasons.
And promise to do better when you aren’t even sorry to begin with.
Just love everybody bro, just be happy bro, and accept the love of Jesus.

Everybody thinks they love Jesus. Everybody thinks they love their neighbor.

I mean everything you said is why people that do alter calls and start going to church end up leaving after a few weeks because of how the Christians in their churches don’t obey literally any of Christs teachings.

Then after that they never want to hear about Jesus again. At least before that they had some notion that they might need forgiveness and salvation but now they hate God.

Quit selling people alter calls with stories of golden streets and new creations when most of you treat each other and the people you were commanded to show compassion for and wear yourselves out helping, and quit fornicating and basing everything on how much tithes we’re taking in.
Being a Christian is one of the most difficult things to do correctly in all of Creation, often leading to death and abandonment by friends and family alike.

Do you Love Jesus Anon?
How do you know for sure?

Explain to the class how somebody can know they truly love Jesus.

>>40653349
Yeah you're cooked homey lol
Your luciferian intellect will get in the way every time you think you're redeemed (no funny stuff). You don't lose and regain and lose your salvation unless you purposefully sin after redemption because you don't see how your ways are wrong and harmful to others and self.
I have rage and malice in me I have to focus to stop, because it's a choice. When I flip shit and say fuck you die mother fucker in traffic, that isn't me l, that's my sin of self letting out.

We used to worship the sun and the moon.

>>40653278 (OP)
Spirit is the mind, be it man's mind or the mind of God. Our imagination is quite potent. What you imagine in your mind is a projection of the world around you. What you perceive the world to be is what your internal world is. You can build a world inside your mind and fill it with anything you want. You can find phantoms of your own thoughts and get rid of or keep whatever you want to. That's what "spirituality" really is.