Most don't want the freedom to do, not do, be and not be, have and not have. This probably includes you, even if you disagree.

Most want freedom from as many things as possible. The highest expression of this freedom from things is freedom from yourself.

This is why most will always yearn to be given strict guidelines, predetermined views of the world, and in the end, rejoin a greater other outside of themselves so that they can dissolve within it.

This kind of freedom feels elating because it requires very little of you. It is a step before death, which is the absolute freedom. You won't have the pleasures and the joys of life, but you also won't have the stress, the pain, the anxiety and the terror of it. It is a high that numbs you. It is safe. You are turning into an empty husk filled by something that is not you. Maybe that sounds like an insult, but it isn't. It's what most people want and do because it is hard to live life. It's easier to not live it. You don't live it by not being yourself and letting something else bear life's brunt.

The other kind of freedom is terrifying. It exposes you to the terror, pain and hardship of life, but it also exposes you to the joys, pleasures and elation it has to offer. There is nothing within you but you, and for that to be manifested, you have to confront, accept and integrate every aspect of you, including the terrifying, the perverse, the disgusting, the hateful. You will find that they fit with the beautiful, the sweet, the nurturing sides of you like pieces of a puzzle. The only way to brave life on this path is to make yourself whole and manifest everything that is uniquely you. You do not seek to disintegrate yourself in a greater other, you seek to become the greater you.

Most people are terrified of the second kind of freedom and run to the first. That is probably who you are, too. And that is okay.

You are either made for it or you are not.

You are either born a man of Yahweh or a man Lucifer.

Posts like this either get swarmed with faggots or simply disappear off the board because they hit too many truth nukes, so the faggots would rather put their fingers in their ears and go LALALALALALA CANT HEAR YOU.

This thread is the latter kind.

Ugh

>>40672256 (OP)
Very nicely put until you brought YHWH and Lucie in the mix

>>40672256 (OP)
I agree on the surface but I know you guys at the lodges are misunderstanding it because your fruits have been rotten for awhile.

>>40672858
>>40672858
>>40672858
>>40672858
THIS, RIGHT ON THE ((((NOSE))))

>>40672871
Another way to put it: stop handing me shit and telling me it's gold transmuted from lead please.

>>40672858
It applies to Yahweh and Lucifer just as it applies to any other dichotomy of tjhe same nature. Pick your poison.

>>40672871
There is no realisation of the unique and true self within anything organised because it demands reduction and eventually, destruction of the self. This includes anything with lodges.

>>40672888
See above.

>>40672991
Oh good.
By the way everyone hates the water temple in Ocarina of Time because it's the dark night of the soul.

>>40673084
Clever, but a poor choice for a false equivalence. Anything by FromSoft would have been a better choice due to their concepts. Retry Y/N?

>Freedom

It seems the best way to find that best self is through worship? I'm not sure yet, but most people find their best selves in service so apply that to Him. God has a free gift, and trying to find yourself outside that seems impossibly sad and harrowing. Find it in yourself to do it with Him not without.

It seems the best way to find that best self is through worship? I'm not sure yet, but most people find their best selves in service so apply that to Him. God has a free gift, and trying to find yourself outside that seems impossibly sad and harrowing. Find it in yourself to do it with Him not without - even if your best self sucks.

>>40673201
>Clever, but a poor choice for a false equivalence
No it isn't. A hero traversing a watery abyssal multi-leveled labyrinth capped off in a literal fight against his own shadow, giving him an item that opens up half of the game for exploration.

>>40673201
>but a poor choice for a false equivalence
Also stop using phrases you don't understand the meaning of.

>>40672991
Are you Mason?

>>40674672
>>40674683

Not OP here but I understand exactly where he is coming from. You are exactly the kind of person he desceibed as being born a man of Yahweh. This is how you are wired. The option of manifesting your unique self has you call it "sad and harrowing". You said yourself what OP said: It's too terrifying without, so you run to be within. You prefer safety at the expense of experience. This isnt an insult, you are part of the majority. You have a lot more peers. Also, why the double post?

>>40674733
It's stupid because, if you take the dark night of the soul in its strictly Christian sense, you make it about removing everything from yourself that isnt God, turning yourself into an empty shell for a greater other, as OP put it. It is the opposite of what a dark night of the soul should be. The shadow is to be integrated into the larger puzzle that is you so the picture is complete, unless you enjoy becoming a small puzzple piece of someone else's painting.

But I guess youre content doing as you are told, misunderstanding words and getting aggressive about it.

>>40672256 (OP)
>>40675724
I'm not disagreeing, but I am skeptical. Mainly because this brings to mind ppl with massive egos and and or psychopaths that justify the themselves at the expense of others.

can you post proof or give me something to chew on? It's relatively simple to experience oneness, which gives it creedence, to my mind. But what you are talking about... I dunno. I have thought about it a lot though, and certainly it is alluring.

>>40675892
It will require you to toughen up, but it will also require you to develop emotional maturity and empathy. Manifesting your unique self first requires it to be made whole. You wont be given a handbook on how to do things or how to feel about something. This alone means that to truly walk this path, you won't be able to be a psychopath. Yes, some psychopaths are drawn to it because they only see it as an excuse, and that's it. They are meat grinders. That's all they care for. Apotheosis is not in their cards, and never will be.

The simplest way to start approaching this is via the left hand path. Why? Because it is an easy access point. Western Esotericism is what we grow up around, it is what we are accustomed to. We know the symbols, the basic stories, the figures. It makes it easier to understand and enter. Maybe this makes you groan, and it will attract people ITT who will try to belittle it without anything on offer as an alternative, but them's the beans. Where you go afterwards is up to you. It's only a starting point.

And, don't be impressed by people citing scripture at you out of nowhere, posting Jesus.png, and trying to insult it without making any actual counter points. Even if you don't seek aggression towards "men of Yahweh", a lot of them will see you as a threat and resort to mindless attacks. You are outside of the village, after all, and anything outside of it is questionable at best. It's also where you find adventure, joy, pain, hate, love and maturity.

>>40675724
Thank you for the compliment, also I didn't even notice the double post. :)

>>40676504
Curious.

>>40675724
>>40675964
OP here. This guy understands what I am talking about entirely, and it's a shame so few people on this board ever do. You'd think it'd be a place that is more willing to stray from the beaten path, but aside from some /nobody general/ and schizo threads, it's nothing but people screaming and begging to lose themselves in a greater other outside of themselves. It's Yahweh worship with slightly more esoteric terminology than what most normies know, but that still puts most posters in the normie ballpark.

Normies are normal. Normal is average. Average is what the majority is. If that's what you are happy being, then be it. It does make life easier, and there is nothing wrong with wanting that.