why did new age boomers make a fanfic sign that would completely break the zodiac in any system that makes use of it
why can't they just stick to tropical

>>40676155 (OP)
so you have no idea what the plane of the ecliptic is?
ps why did jesus have 12 disciples, why dose the empror have 12 lictors?

>>40676228
>so you have no idea what the plane of the ecliptic is?
you don't even have an idea what the zodiac is, shut the fuck up punk

>>40676234
are you a chat bot that cant process images?

>>40676228
ptolemy was a retard a taking some random stars that form a retarded square or rhombus or whatever the fuck doesn't make a constellation because you can take literally any stars and make them into a constellation. I bet you could find a fucking basedjak out there

>>40676246
are you a retard that doesn't know what the zodiac is actually based on?

>>40676283
do it man, perhaps youll be remembered as ptolemy was.
>>40676399
i totally do which is why i asked if you can parse images or not.

>>40676155 (OP)
>why can't they just stick to tropical
Because even without Ophiuchus, the tropical system is still outdated by about ~2000 years

Better question is, why did the Western world do it?

>>40676514
The tropic system cannot be outdated. It's siderealtards trying to fix what isn't broken.

>>40676491
>which is why i asked if you can parse images or not.
You a retard that doesn't know what the zodiac is actually based on, which is why you do not understand why that image is wrong.

>>40676531
all you can do is say what isnt, your literally held back bot

>>40676542
pearl to the swines

>>40676763
>all you can do is say what isnt,
you have to offer something for that analogy to work silly
ps - i had 3 points in my first post, 2 escaped you

>>40676526
It's a very basic premise really.
If the position of the planets has any influence at all, then where they actually are in the sky is important.
If you use constellations as the boxes wherein planets have different effects, then it stands to reason that where the planets actually are in the sky determines which zodiac it's in.
So if I look at a live star chart today and observe that the sun is in the middle of Gemini, that means the sun's in the zodiac of Gemini. That's all that sidereal does, it doesn't change what the energetic implications are, just when they are.

Tropical was accurate once.
Then the sun was found to have precession too.
I find it slightly cute to observe highly spiritual astrologers on youtube talk about the Mayan Great Year, which is the precession cycle of the Sun, while sticking with the tropical zodiac which is months out of alignment because of the Great Year.
"The Mayans believed these things and they're right, they're so wise, they should be studied more... now the sun's in Virgo guys not in Gemini come on don't be silly"

>>40677134
>If you use constellations as the boxes wherein planets have different effects
Constellations aren't real, they are unrelated to Astrology. This is why sidereal systems will always fall short, because they do not know that the zodiac is completely unrelated to the fixed stars outside the solar system. The rest of your post is irrelevan.t

>>40677247
Then why are the zodiac signs named after constellations?
I'm asking to learn.

>>40677247
>Constellations aren't real, they are unrelated to Astrology.
They literally based it all on the constellations and their myths, thoughbeit.

Why did the Indians care enough to calculate the difference in the precession for their Vedic astrology?

Were the people involved in your magic system not smart enough to deal with the mathematics?

Why is magic, an ancient tool and system, malleable enough to include stuff like tarot cards whose designs changed in a manner of a 100years or so to portray different images and messages, yet not pay attention to a change that happens for a couple thousand years.

Or the game of Chess that everyone keeps referring to had changes in just a few centuries to include the Queen instead of the Advisor, and now everyone talks about the Queen as a key figure so they obviously also changed the magic rules to accomodate this.

Sooo, why are we picking and choosing which changes we keep and which are disregarded?

And why, as a child, I knew which sign I was that matched the sidereal and not the tropical. When you really pay attention, people actually match their sidereal sign way more than tropical.

Lift the veil already, its getting really old.

There is no way that astrology hasnt existed for more than 2000 years in our world. So why are we stuck in the old layout?

>>40676155 (OP)
Weird upside down version of Yellow Diamond symbol

>op's scared of a little fanfic
lol yeah nah... they got you shook
your whole belief structure is shaking

>>40677134
They always say crap like
>zodiacs arent based on the constellations!
And then go on to say that the Sun and planets traverse these imaginary positions in the sky. Im assuming they are also talking about an imaginary Sun and planets.
Oh but its all their magic language they yak on about. And yet some of us always knew something was off because good fucking lord Ive always hated my sign.
So there seems to be something instinctual that keeps receiving messages that these people who spend too much time on their made up fantasy land dont seem to receive.

Kinda like how the financial sector is all a game to the higher ups and they have their rules and shit, but people uninvolved are affected by it all the same and dont like that their fantasy game of fantasy financial instruments are constantly clashing with the reality of the world.

Something like that.

Question for siderealists:
How do you make sense of modality in a sign? The cardinal signs begin at the equinoxes and solstices, that's what makes them cardinal. How could this possibly play into a system based solely on the constellations and not on the Sun's relation to the Earth?

Also, wouldn't it make more sense for the constellations to be based on the zodiac, rather than the zodiac be based on the constellations? Especially since constellations open us up to all kinds of debate, like including Ophiuchus. If we arbitrarily arrange the stars maybe there are actually 14, 15 signs? Maybe more? Why not? Meanwhile tropical is based on the 4 cardinal directions of North South East West, the 4 elements (East is fire, etc) then multiplied by 3 for the three modalities to fill the seasons/quadrants.

>>40677332
The constellations are labels for the zodiac. Here we get to the actual reason why sidereal exists at all:
Imagine living thousands of years ago. You want to do astrology, tropical astrology, but when you look up at the sky, day or night, you cannot see the spans of the zodiac. They're invisible, and you have no computers.
What you'd do is wait until nighttime so you can see the stars, then do all your work at night so you can calculate the positions of the zodiac based on what you see. Now with computers we no longer need this.

>>40677134
>it doesn't change what the energetic implications are, just when they are.
So it just makes all your calculations, and therefor analysis, and therefor predictions, just wrong.

>Tropical was accurate once.
Tropical will be accurate as long as there is a Sun and an Earth with axial tilt. Those variables create the meaning of the zodiac just as North, South, East, and West all have their own energetic traits according to their relation to the planet we share our life with.

>>40676514
>Better question is, why did the Western world do it?
This is a huge misconception, that only the West uses tropical. Well, today the modern Indians have decided on sidereal, but in ancient times the culture there was totally different, in Vedic times. We know that the Vedics used tropical because in their texts they say that the zodiac is based on the equinoxes and solstices. Also, you'd have to include ancient Babylon and Persia as "Western" which is debatable.

>>40677940
>There is no way that astrology hasnt existed for more than 2000 years in our world. So why are we stuck in the old layout?
Because they don't want you to have access to the real deal. It was never brought up here until it was, now ever since they run these little threads to spam herdthink support for the tropical positionings.

>>40677973
I never resonated with my birth placements. The interpretations didn't add up.
When I checked the sidereal placements and read those interpretations, everything lined up.
That's what told me there might be more to this way of looking at the sky.
Then I noticed that in sidereal astrology, Pluto entered Capricorn in March 2020, right when lockdowns started. In tropical it's already in Aquarius but none of those effects have occurred, we're still watching the global system and all of society bitterly engaged in self-destruction.
And then one pulls the calendar back some more, at least on Pluto's placements, and more things line up.
Last time it entered Capricorn was July 1774, right in time for First Continental Congress. When it left Capricorn, Napoleon showed up to help France out of the destructive mess it was put in. 1794. (Capri Pluto lasts 19 years and 9 months roughly)

>>40679288
You're missing that in 2020 the Great Conjunction, Jupiter and Saturn, occurred over Pluto in Capricorn. As for Pluto in Aquarius, have you not felt the great desire in society for a revolution of the social values and social hierarchies? Pluto entering Aquarius matches these energies, not at all Pluto in Capricorn. I suspect you have a very shallow or misguided view of what Cap and Aqua really mean

>>40680327
Frankly I've felt that desire for over a decade now, and have seen it in others since 2016.
Revolution of social values and hierarchy also fits Uranus in Taurus, which is where that planet is right now in astronomy.
As for the conjunction, that was in December of 2020, not in March.

>>40676514
>Better question is, why did the Western world do it?

>>40676155 (OP)
>Ophiuchus
>13th Species
There are only 12 elohim species of mankind...
Sophia attempted to make an Adam without the Geradama Template to copy off...
Without access to that template, Sophia shat out a species-unique bits n pieces Demiurge abomination..
That was the creation of Yahweh..
Eve birthed Cain by Yahweh..
Eve birthed Abel by Adam..

Adams descendants are the sons-of-Adam..
Yahweh descendants are the sons-of-Cain..

Sophia & Yahweh's actions forced creation to install both a heavenly body & star constellation to dissipate Yahweh will/effect onto humanity.
Anyone reading the Bible Old-Testament will have the Demiurge's (Yahweh) Living-Words come to pass in their life thru the Ophiuchus mechanism.

>>40677332
>Then why are the zodiac signs named after constellations?
They aren't. Who taught you this garbage?

>>40677940
Because Indians are retarded. The Bhagavad Gita was tropcial
>So why are we stuck in the old layout?
Because they used the same tropical system 10000 years ago, before the constellations were invented