Thread 40686015

I have always wondered - if demonology and communing with demons is real, then does it not also imply that the inverse biblical story is also real? And that therefore you should never side with these demons?

>>40686015 (OP)
Wtf are you asking? Try taking your meds and ask again in an hour.

>>40686015 (OP)
Yes, it's all real. Do not commune with demons. Purge yourself with the holy spirit lest you suffer for etenity.

>>40686073
>>40686024
I am an atheist - i just think its an interesting contradiction.

To be honest, your question is set up in a dualistic fashion. Like, there is only the Bible's take and the "Devil worshipper's" take, which is in itself very narrow and ignorant of all the various other takes out there. If you want to know why people would want to communicate with "demons," you should ask why anyone would want to speak with an angel, deity, spirit, ancestors, elementals, entities, etc. Christianity didn't invent the term demon; they just rebranded it, like they've done everything else that didn't fit their own cult's narrative.

>>40686090
>>40686015 (OP)
Your logically on point, yes.

Our modern conception of the demonic has been warped by centuries upon centuries of cultural shift and media reimagining.

If demons exist then they don't want you to know their demons; a demon would never reveal itself as demonic.

People conducting a seance, for example, wouldn't typically be under the impression that they were doing anything demonic. Christianity has traditionally forbid things like spiritualism and seances because Christians typically don't believe that you can talk to the dead, but that you CAN talk to demons.

>>40686532
>Christianity didn't invent the term demon; they just rebranded it,
This.

The existence of one type of other does not automatically mean others exist.

>>40686885
>Our modern conception of the demonic has been warped by centuries upon centuries of cultural shift and media reimagining.

That contradicts or dissolves your following point.

>If demons exist then they don't want you to know their demons; a demon would never reveal itself as demonic.

At the very best we can make "educated" guesses as to their functions or habits based on lore and hearsay.

At the worst, it's straight up racism to a sister -noid species.

Then there's the whole frieren take. Mimicry vs Sapience dilemma, but again we're working off of millenia of hearsay.

>>40686885
Quick Rundown:

Souls are sent down here to this stridently contentional world of appearances (theoretically in order to grow through opposition) and the 'demons' are precisely such agents of contention operating within your own precious Soul...

The lesson? Wake up and ascend, Anon. Leave all dualities behind and resonate with the Word of God.

>>40686946
>That contradicts or dissolves your following point
No it doesn't. Explain how.

>>40686982
Did you stop reading there? I explained immediately after.

They're making assumptions when you say ish like "they don't want you to know their demons"

Because, as they said "Our modern conception of the demonic has been warped by centuries upon centuries of cultural shift and media reimagining"

>>40686998
Those two statements aren't contradictory and you explained nothing.

>Modern understanding of things is different than how it used to be

How does making an assumption or observation on the thing contradict this?

>>40687036
I said contradicts or dissolves.

> a demon would never reveal itself as demonic

straight up assumptions. Hearsay. Flawed reasonings derived from several millenia of propaganda.

>Our modern conception of the demonic has been warped
>Warped

Plain as day. In their own words.

>>40687070
So it doesn't contradict at all, you threw that word in for no reason.

>He made an assumption
In your opinion it is assumption.
>Propaganda
In your opinion it is propaganda

Your decision to take it as assumption. Is an assumption. There was no contradiction, you just saw something you disagreed with and dressed up your post in flowery language instead of calling him a fag.

>>40687099
we're debating the nature of demons in english. 3-4+ language translation and interpretations separated from "primary" sources on the matter.

It is heresay. It is propaganda.

And quite frankly it is racist. Imo all signs point to "demons" being the dog whistle used to pile up the npc masses of the old world (and now the modern christcucks without an iota of critical thinking) on any non humans that showed up and challenged the status quo.

>>40687143
Demons are real, and they're the same demons of the Holy Bible; the same ones Jesus cast out of people, behaving in the same way - violent, thrashing, angry, hateful and wanting control of you.

Again, Jesus cast's them out - He has dominion and authority over all things, as God, and that includes all unclean spirits, who are utterly terrified of Him.

>>40687143
>We're debating the nature of demons
We're not and we can't because every opinion that isn't yours will be called propaganda or hearsay.

The Lesser Key of Solomon is theologically accurate to how demons, as described by the Christian faith, would present themselves. Seemingly benign with simple rituals and practices that will grant you wealth and love and knowledge while drawing you away from God and salvation.

Demonic = Feast then hangover
Godly = Fast then feast

>>40687160
Yea those ones are the interesting accounts. Basically a mind parasite that's divinely transferrable across species.

Doesn't give christians the right to corner preach all nhi are demons as we see all too often.

>>40687167
While primary sources that are so far removed from one's native tongue, as well as being excruciatingly contested between countless denominations over the millenia, yea it's going to be considered hearsay and propaganda.

>>40687214
The most reliably translated, preserved, and trustworthy sources for anything relating to the demonic are Judeo-Christian ones which explicitly warn of danger.

Testament of Solomon stands out. If anything is hearsay it's what you're saying.

>>40687235
>Testament of Solomon stands out
Not considered canon by any jewish or christian denomination. Also falsely attributed to Solomon as it was written between 1st-5th centuries AD, with some debate that it's complete workings, as we know it today, was completed in the middle ages.

>>40687264
Name an earlier written source on the subject of demonology.

>>40686015 (OP)
Yes obviously

>>40686015 (OP)
shouldn't you somehow be able to control the demons using the light?

>>40687279
Gilgamesh? lul

Bump

>>40686015 (OP)
>any fantasy story about a real thing must be true because it's about a real thing
uhm anon, have you ever considered looking into basic logic?

Interesting

Demons aren't what you think you need to be afraid of. They are simply willing to give you what you ask for, if you are willing to confront them as a courteous equal, and have something to offer in return. Sometimes, they may just do it because they feel like it. Imagine you are asking some guy for help. That's what you'll get.

The scary part about them is that, unlike God, they won't restrict what you can ask for, so long as you approach the right one for what you are after. If you are going to ask for something stupid that'll fuck you over in the long run, they may just give it to you. If you asked for something entirely positive, you may just receive it, too. You wanted it. You asked for it. You should know what you are doing.

TL;DR Yahweh does handholding, demons dont. So dont be a retard about it.

Frens actually

>>40686015 (OP)
Yes, but also no. The Bible and general lessons all have occult meanings, including commandments which are often cited as reasons not to partake in other gods and beings. The truth and emphasis is about primacy, glory, and mimicry. There is a difference between worshiping demons and using demons, the object when performed in the right context is to use God's creations (demons in this case) for God's glory.

>>40694029
This. God grants authority, but God doesn't do the dirty work.

>>40687160
thats bullshit but i believe it after casting out my demon

>>40686532
>>40686915
Devas and Asuras are the same as angels and demons.
Both the word for god and demons derive from the same root of Devas.
Devas are seen as good gods in Hinduism, and Asuras as evil giants.
But they are both powerful beings/gods.

My personal belief is that Asuras became the Aesir of Norse mythology and Devas became Vanir somehow.

Gods and demons are the same thing, just different factions/clans/groups.

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>>40694634
I was possessed by a smiley demon and it behaved how the Bible described it until I managed to banish it.