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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:08:05 PM No.40703221
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Is there any explanation as to why miracle-workers are rarer in the modern day? It seems like at any one point from the 1st to ~19th century there were tons of saints who could levitate, glow, prophesize, heal, etc, yet I don't know of any in the 21st century.

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>Cameras were invented
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:14:39 PM No.40703254
Nobody believes them and the ones who are believed are government elite slaves or killed.

also most of the bloodlines who carried these abilities were genocided during the witch trials.

in tribal africa and other isolated third world nations u will find some
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:15:45 PM No.40703262
>>40703221 (OP)
I'm a guy from /tg/ and I like White Wolf's games, one of them, Mage, has an explanation to this

As the world advanced, people were able to kept in touch and technology gained more ground, people would start to believe less and less on magic and miracles, which in turn would also let people who could do magick to have it even harder to cast spells, as the consciousness of Humanity saw it as fake or impossible, just fairy tales to entertain children.

Perhaps that could be the reason, people just stopped believing on miracles and tried to rationalize them or doubt they happened, and in turn you see less of them

Or maybe they happen on a daily, but are so small or they just happen under the radar to be noticed
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:18:48 PM No.40703276
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>>40703221 (OP)

There are fewer saints because holiness is anathema to our modern way of life. However, St Padre Pio was a 20th century saint with many miracles attributed to him. Pio was also a stigmatic. Supernatural phenomena are more likely manifest in the present in the context of demonic activity.

For example, Maurice Thierault was a French farmer who became demonically possessed according to the Catholic Church. His exorcism was taped on VHS by Ed Warren. In the video you can see his pupils change shape. His skin bubbles and cracks spontaneously and the saliva he spits turns into blood when it hits his clothes. The video quality is not great, so skeptics will probably dispute the authenticity of the video.

>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kovLoOFAIZM
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:23:27 PM No.40703310
>>40703221 (OP)
Maybe it was largely a psyop.
I want magic to be possible but your observations are solid and they suggest something grim for anyone who wants to believe in magic or miracles.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:39:58 PM No.40703431
>>40703254
Yeah, Iโ€™ve heard that there are people in tribes in Africa that can levitate but they donโ€™t care to tell the world. Miracle workers are in plain sight or behind closed doors but normies are too jaded or not interested enough to seek them. So I guess the answer is the collective consciousness is not as innocent as it was so miracle workers donโ€™t make it obvious to avoid persecution.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:56:30 PM No.40703535
First, you're condensing a few hundred people to a timeline of millennia. So it seems like there were "more" in the past but across history it wasn't like there were hundreds alive at any given moment. Only a handful.

Second, these people do exist still. India seems to always have a handful of miracle workers at any given moment and a lot of them are public, you can watch youtube videos of hundreds of thousands of people visiting them for healing. Beyond that, there are tons of mystics, folk practitioners, mediums, magicians, and even institutional religious figures across the globe alive today that are capable of exercising supernatural and paranormal powers.

Then there is the presence of miracles in everyday life when you know how to identify them. Plenty of people in your own city have stories of seeking spiritual help for a debilitating illness only to be miraculously healed upon return to their doctor. I think one of the best places to see miracles live in action is 12 step programs as the people that achieve long term sobriety in them recover from a disease that medical science tells them is incurable through surrendering to God.

Miracles and miracle workers are everywhere. Look for them.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:58:48 AM No.40704488
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>>40703221 (OP)
I would say our worldview has fundamentally shifted. It's no longer mythopoeic, but rather a mechanistic materialist one.

Before the enlightenment, and especially prior to the industrial revolutions, gods, spirits, and psychic phenomena were considered intrinsic aspects of the world. saints, shamans, and magi operated within that paradigm, their abilities amplified by the collective belief and ontological openness of their societies.

However thobeit, with the rise of modernity, there has been what Heidegger termed a "Gestellt" a "framing" of Being, that limits possibility to what is calculable and technically reproducible. The prevailing ontology of mechanistic materialism systematically excludes anomalous phenomena as impossible by definition. And this creates a cultural and psychological environment hostile to the expression of such capacities. What was once attributed to saints is now ascribed to the engineers of biotechnological enhancement or transhumanist aspirations. (Oh my science!)

Miracles, for instance, were often manifestations of thought forms or collective psychic entities that arose through the focused devotion of communities. But now, in the absence of genuine faith or ritual focus, such "egregors" lack the psychic energy to manifest. Modernity truly has fragmented and desacralized consciousness, rendering these phenomena rare or driving them underground into the occult fringes, but it still exists tho. Just take a look at Chris Bledsoe's case for example.
Also I'm pretty sure there has to a be a correlation between the degradation of these psi abilities and our modern ways of living with all the blue lights and trash food and 5g and so on
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:11:43 AM No.40704545
>>40704488
>l the blue lights and trash food and 5g and so on
What a terrible way of finishing your post as all of those are just nocebos.
You can get all the nutrients you need from junk food, if you convince yourself that what you eat becomes a general substance transformed into whatever your body needs, with whatever could be damaging being expelled by the body.
Same with blue light or 5G, make their effects only beneficial to you, and they will, it's the collective belief that makes them hurt, where they were neutral originally, until someone thought "what if they caused bad effects?" and made it a reality.
This age is seeing the most powerful mages in history, but they're using their powers to keep reality as solid and hard to change for everyone else as possible, but you can make your reality bubble remain fluid.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:24:29 AM No.40704602
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>>40704545
Quite a far fetched thought, Id say, that one can transmute McDonald's slop into organic kale purely by belief. Reality is both mind made and matter constrained. Now, I'd like to attach this cute little pic because I smell genuine malice behind this whole post
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:01:28 AM No.40704809
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You're looking in the wrong places, an example from the 20th century would be St John of Shanghai and San Francisco.
It hasn't been that long since the 21st century started, canonization would typically take longer than that, and things like this don't become media sensations or anything (it's good they don't)
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:09:19 AM No.40704857
>>40703221 (OP)
They are still around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1sOZFf4ak4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUqkecIcER4
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:24:36 AM No.40704935
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>>40703221 (OP)
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 8:47:50 AM No.40706814
>>40704602
It's because all the chemicals and vitamins and substances have an energetic base, so people changing their vibration have managed to heal from incurable illnesses and remain at perfect health regardless of everything else, contrary to medical opinion that suggested them to take medication that was making them feel worse.
You don't believe it and even think it's malice, but that's only because of the education that you had, if you were educated differently and knew about all this you could tune with healthy energies and burning fat ones and then you could eat only hamburgers, or what have you, without problems, because your wellbeing is coming from the inside and not from the outside circumstances.
It's like a monk that could last 60 days without a drop of water, though that's extreme, if you can set yourself into a mode where you can function without needing to eat, then adding junk food can't hurt.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 9:29:59 AM No.40707002
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Our Lady of Fatima with its amazing Miracle of the Sun was only about 100 years ago.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 9:41:30 AM No.40707042
Our Lady of Zeitoun happened only 57 years ago. The apparitions were witnessed by many thousands of Egyptians.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 9:43:49 AM No.40707056
>>40703276
i started to feel pressure in my ankle as i watched it. Truly haunting shit