Over the course of a few years I have read my fair share of magic (I will not call it magick, it makes it sound even gayer) books and have even practiced some magical operations with outstanding success, although nothing grandiose like levitating a honda civic, stuff more related to things like making a person I had lost all form of contact with come to my doorstep suddenly after 5 years.

I decided I was interested in magic so much that I decided to spend a significant portion of my time doing parapsychology only to find that the experiments that need to be done elude the minds of the least retarded of psychologists, biologists and engineers in the field who have access to the necessary funds (feel free to google the IONS). Not only that but after speaking with Peter Carroll (the guy who wrote Liber Null) on various occasions I've come to only one conclusion:

EVERY SINGLE MAGIC BOOK IS SHIT AND SO ARE MOST MAGICIAN/WITCH PUBLIC FIGURES.

By that I don't mean that they cannot do magic, I'm sure they can, but not to a much better extent than I or (You) are able to do. Nothing flashy, just improbable synchronicities that result in social and moderate biological changes which may include illness.
When you read a book on magic the language used is grandiose, pompous, irritating and roundabout. People often mistake mentions of things like the five elements as being thought of as metaphors when they read a grimoire, but they aren't, the authors really were that stupid to think literal fire or even wood were part of the fundamental blocks that make up reality. There´s entire galaxies lacking both. Arguably the only cosmology that makes contemporary sense is the emerald tablet, but its origins are highly disputed. The only thing that's any good is /loa/ material because it teaches how to perfect the method to get things done, but once again, nothing extraordinary like casting fireball.
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(CONTD)

I'm sick and tired of the pseudo intellectual cesspool that is magical literature because if they were as powerful as their pretentious writing styles make them seem then they'd skip selling books (can you fucking believe some retards even "curse" them so you cannot pirate them online?) and sit their ass all day manifesting gold bars in their living room. Its not that it cannot be done, as many idiots will have you believe, it can be donee but no one knows how and even if they were people who do, those are not the kind that would sell books telling you how: for the exact reason I pointed out.

To sum it all up, magic has been recorded and will keep being recorded as nothing but uncommon but plausible happenings unless we find a way to make our brain a better vessel for our mind and intention, and frankly, meditation just wont cut it. Here attached is the only worthwhile article on magic to date, and its on frontal lobe microlesions as a way to boost psychic abilities like telekinesis and clarivoyance. Feel free to ram your head against your wall or some shit.
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945223002733
Have a very blessed day. Unless you're a public figure "magician" or a parapsychology "researcher". Much less so if you're dear old Pete Carroll who has made a hobby out of misunderstanding even basic math concepts and spewing shit on his specularium blog every month. Even futa mlp porn isn't as offputting as his shit.

What's the obsession with casting fireball? I don't get it, being able to produce fire with your bare hands wouldn't be useful because you can turn on the stove if you need fire.
What's the goal?
Can magic be used to get the goal faster?
That's all that matters, not being able to freeze your beverage with your hands, because we already have freezers for that.

>>40704487
Its an example of something flashy that could be possible with magic. If you want something useful another example could be the accio spell from harry potter

>>40704467 (OP)
>People often mistake mentions of things like the five elements as being thought of as metaphors when they read a grimoire, but they aren't, the authors really were that stupid to think literal fire or even wood were part of the fundamental blocks that make up reality.
This is where you outed yourself as completely clueless.

>>40704604
Do you really think the picatrix, agrippa and others had authors who knew that all physical matter is made up of individual components indistinguishable from each other? Your mindset and XXI century materialistic knowledge has made you need to rework these books as not talking about matter but talking about essence. Sure, by bringing the material aspect you also bring its essence, but it still does not mean that the essences of those elements themselves alone constitute reality neither spiritual nor material. Do you really think the sephirot in the Kabbala embody everything that is and everything that could and can be? Of course you don't, but you can try and subjectively fit every single thing you encounter as a property of one of them. Please realize that if you don't assign it then no one will. All magic is constructs upon constructs upon other constructs and what's most frustrating is that even those that claim the authority to point out the wrongness in that are sucked right back in by their ego and start overexplaining things they have no fucking clue but they claim to be able to "feel" what's right.

My point stands: magic as presented and those who are willing to present it are mid

>>40704467 (OP)
... was chaos magick the only shit you read and tried, or.. ?

>>40704661
>blah blah blah more ignorant blabber

>>40704673
Nah, if I only tried that for years I would've gone crazy. I read thelema, wicca, left hand, middle pillar, kabbala, planetary, and others

>>40704680
Ty so much for bumping the thread I'll keep replying to this every time I need to bump

>>40704683
you're reading evil stupid traditions for troon liars and failures who worship the ultimate loser of reality: Satan

all the shit you're getting is pathetic and weak because you haven't accepted Satan into your heart. and you shouldn't, it's genuinely the worst action you could ever take for yourself. I don't sense evil in you or the stupidity to actually accept that choice or I'd drop poison pills to hasten your demise. turn the fuck around and work on moralistic traditions that actually align you with God and not nonfunctional troon console hacks to reality that fuck you up forever

>>40704867
The God fearing part of me agrees to some extent but the other part thinks that even if what you are saying were true and just as people pray to saints for them to intercede demons could so intercede it wouldn't be magic like in the bible. Either we've lost something inside us that allows us to make magic grandiose or we've yet to find it, that's why I linked the article. I fully believe that the people behind published magic texts shouldn't be so sassy because, just like the rest of us, they have moderate success to show for it. It's one thing to be able to claim to cure the ill from non terminal illnesses and an entirely different one to boast about it while explaining why you are so great and handsome for knowing how to do so when in reality you don't know how to tell a rock from a potato.

>>40704943
>Either we've lost something inside us that allows us to make magic grandiose or we've yet to find it, that's why I linked the article
we have. this is a shield universe against the absolute cataclysmic light of Ohr Ein Sof that came from the abuse of those powers. those abilities have never been possible on Earth and every single person for all of history claiming to have them is a demonic host lying to destroy your hope and self-agency. there are very real things occultists can do to you through biosomatic resonances but self-control makes you immune to them all. I know you're trying to scientifically dissect these processes but the initiation process to the tools of Satan includes flat-out child rape sacrifice and unless you cross that horizon and let Satan consume your soul you will never get the real materials

>>40704971
>Satan includes flat-out child rape sacrifice and unless you cross that horizon and let Satan consume your soul you will never get the real materials
Come on, surely there's another way. Qi gong masters (assuming there's at least one worth their salt) can move stuff around, that's progress.

>>40704683
All the stuff you specifically mentioned is weak sauce. What the fuck is "others"?

>>40705038
what is strong sauce then?

>>40704990
no, there isn't. no, they can't.

psychokinesis is restricted to a quantum level, you can push an RNG in a certain direction or make sub-molecular movements but this effectively does very little. open up the Pali Canon and get started on a real tradition that covers both esoteric and exoteric matters. if you're into qi gong you're already getting pulled in that direction. there are tons of tantras for energy work in Buddhism and it actually has real utility, unlike magic demon slop

check out: G'Tummo, Wim Hof, Vajra Body, Longchenpen

>>40704467 (OP)
I want to levitate a Honda Civic. "You can't" is fucking bullshit. How do I levitate a Honda Civic, and why can't you do it if you are magician, and how do I do it if you can?

Unironic question. I don't know what a Honda Civic is (I assume it must be a car, because it sounds like a car-type name), but I do know that real, tangible magick exists. So how do I levitate a Honda Civic?

>>40705168
Wim Hof openly does shit that modern science can't explain. So, yes, some of them can. The ones who can levitate a Honda Civic are probably hiding, but they exist. I'm getting too fucking olf for half-answers anymore. Where the fuck do I find them?
>magic demon slop
It works fine if all you want to do is play Marco Polo with alligators.

>>40704971
> abuse of those powers
>those abilities have never been possible on Earth
That sounds like something the demiurge would say.

>>40704467 (OP)
Best books are books with loads of functioning sigils; ie sigils with metaphysical functionality; with some sort of focused praxis.

Here's the most relevant book around overall; Liber Falxifer 3; easy to get into "step by step" system focused around the "Cross station sigils";
https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-iii-the-book-of-the-52-stations-of-the-crosses-of-nod/page/142/mode/2up

Try it out for a while.
Most magic books are mostly "occult studies; discussion on occult philosophy and metaphysical morphology; but without that much direct introduction to how the Spiritual Alchemy works "practically"; Cross stations are designed to do this; "Spiritual Alchemy projects, for Practical use"; different "body upgrade projects" (improves your geneology with metaphysical stats like passive defensive stats; as well as "intuitive abilities") ; Gulgutha line of Nod for example is Skeleton-focused (as well as Necromancy; teaching you about said subject; like how TV is very Necromancy heavy technology for example).

Try it seriously for a while; report experiences on 4chan.

>>40704971
>>40704990
> pic related
It's all about harmony on every density (mineral, vegetal, animal, etheric). if we aren't aligned, we can't use it, Magic is only about balance. Taoists were the ones that understood it perfectly.

Chi / Qi is about coating internal body with quartz molecules (SiO4, silicon from bones and vegetables et oxygen from breath).

Atlantis was all about Crystals and Electromagnetic fields. Light from the sun and stars are electromagnetics waves, we are litterally swiming in those fields and waves.

If you could control the parasympathic and sympathic nervous system, you could levitate by yourself.

>>40705168
>you can push an RNG in a certain direction
Yes; see >>40705383
Book there teaches you about how to upgrade Metaphysical stats that influences "RNG factors" around you. Like Metaphysical defenses making you "harder to harm" (for example "combat advantages akin to the Jedi/Sith compared to regular footsoldier in Star wars and such")

Why are there still retards on /x/ conflating mystical siddhis and psychic phenomena with magic?

>>40704467 (OP)
>The only thing that's any good is /loa/ material
Stopped reading there. Neville goddard was a fruity ass nigga

>>40705516
"magic" refers to "metaphysical abilities to influence things through spiritual (supernatural) means"; ie "influencing spiritual factors etc".
For example an actual Curse does things like "affect the targets surroundings to make "unlucky things" more likely to affect said targets daily life (higher odds of "Fumbling"; higher odds of accidents; higher odds of general negative lines of events to happen "randomly")";ie things that often go "unnoticed" by those without advanced understandings of spirituality; ie "this must just be Bad Luck".

Just trying to study spiritual information in your surroundings will make you more advanced instantly by "comprehending the spiritual factor in your daily lives"; ie realizing that "Spirituality/Magic is Scientifically understandable; studyable"; everything works on actual "stats and such".

Videogames etc is a very educational form of media btw; loads of the videogame scene is "spiritually produced". Ie loads of Daemon stuff involved in video game development; same with other media like TV (Black Mirrors).

The reason they don't want us talking about |)e \/ere anymore is because this is exactly what he talked about. He called all of the "i HaVe sIddHis" idiots out. It turns out he was right and Right = Might.
There's an obvious, very obvious, outlier here that no one seems to be permitted to mention: the genetic component is supremely important. There is indeed a group of people who have overpowered stats from birth. Nearly everyone else appears to be doing everything they can to convince most other people that they're also doing this, but few actually are, it appears.

>>40705581
You're a retard. I reject your conflations.

>>40704467 (OP)
>When you read a book on magic the language used is grandiose, pompous, irritating and roundabout
It's a barrier to entry. Enough annoying faggots kept coming around, so people like Crowley made a huge show about how they don't want some retard throwing a fit because no one will teach him to throw a fireball like in that anime he watched yesterday.
>The only thing that's any good is /loa/ material because it teaches how to perfect the method to get things done, but once again, nothing extraordinary like casting fireball.
The masculine energy required for this, the Willpower, is socialized out Uncle Ted style (not endorsing anything he did beyond his writings; bombing people is without any question not okay) of our youth today. They have no means of accessing it. Many of them take steroids and can't stop taking pictures of themselves. It's reprehensible.
>magic is stupid and this is fake
You're exactly right. Most of them are larping faggots. I finally gave up reading the books a year or two ago (after trying many initiations) when I got far enough into one that I realized I'd literally already been doing practically all of this. Sure, I wasn't walking around in black robes during twilight carrying pitchers of rose water to the corner tree on my property so I can le schizophrenia to a le daemon at 1:52 on a Sunday. That is without question not anything close to what muh Magic is and if you can actually do it, you'd only be annoyed with the retards pretending it is.
They're called "Wizards" because no one can explain how they do it. Yes, this shit is real (to an extent). You're not allowed to know about it because then you wouldn't go to work every day like the slaves you all are.
inb4 stop mocking us I hate you
inb4 muh new age
inb4 go away jew or demon or whatever else

I did a seed bomb spell at a Reclaiming magic workshop when I was unemployed to try and get a job. A month later I had an interview. A month after that I’d given up after not hearing anything back…when suddenly they contacted me. They bumped up the position to a higher one. I interviewed again and immediately got the job. It’s in my field and pays twice as much as I’d ever made before PLUS I get large quarterly bonuses. Best of all, it’s a creative role and I’m really good at it.

That’s my only magical experience, but if I were to try to have another one I’d definitely try that system again.

>>40705692
>There is indeed a group of people who have overpowered stats from birth.
Yes, there are people with very high metaphysical stats etc.
This includes stuff like "passive stealth stats" and such btw; people like this are basically invisible to those without the correct type of initiation.
With correct initiations you start comprehending a lot of "behind the scenes stuff"; like a completely different tier of "world politics etc". Plenty of "behind the scenes stuff" in society.
Picture from "The Book of Sitra Achra: A Grimoire of the Dragons of the other Side".

>>40704467 (OP)
If you are ever proficient in real magic you will never share it in a government honeypot site meant to either demoralize you or groom you into the next useful pawn for their latest adventure.

>>40705831
>copium

>>40705831
Basically impossible to misuse actual magic and such teachings.
Higher up government is very serious and impossible to corrupt.
ie the people prone to "animal nature" never gets anywhere until the day they grow out of such behaviour.

There's plenty of people who wanted to do stuff like "organized pedophilia" for real; those people were never in charge of the world.

There is no "Pedo Elite"; just "Pedo Middle Class". Expect Fun on this subject soon; "Q-anon: Trust the plan" sort of stuff is real "get hype" for Fun. Massive public disclosures on corruption within politics and law and order is hitting stuff like public media soon.
There will be a lot of public hangings. It will likely be "illegal/non-supported" to try to protect certain individuals from public lynch mobs.

Unless you can do immediate visible change in your surrounding (eg. Telekinesis, spontaneous combustion, etc) you aren't a real magician. Fuck synchronicity larpers, you aren't any different from those kids that watched avatar and pretend to be water benders on the beach

>>40705842
By all mean share faggot.

>>40704467 (OP)
>Most magic books
>EVERY SINGLE MAGIC BOOK
Well? Which is it?

Do you feel better now that you've finished your rant?

>>40704487
I know I don't want to cast fireball - too dangerous - but I know the kind of thing he's talking about. Something thoroughly, unquestionably magical, that you can't deny is anything but. Illusion magic like visions of monsters that aren't there. Conjuring or quelling storms. Rings of power or invisibility. Magical shields. A fucking Bag of Holding. We were sold on the promise of becoming wizards, and we want to be wizards. Not psychologists or slightly better gamblers.

>>40705986
Direct physical combat abilities like your picture suggests is "temporarily limited" during "Fasade state" of the world; everything is "Subtle influences that can't be seen directly physically to the untrained eye" during "fasade state". (for example "combat wise" then "avoidance of physical violence" is what things currently do).
Makes everyone walk around "blending in".
Defenses etc obviously works; offense is temporarily restricted to "subtle effects".

If you comprehend what this refers to; all such restrictions end with "Apocalypse stuff".

>>40705168
See I don't think it's restricted to a quantum level, I only think we're too weak to make the most of it. Sure I'll read the indians, why not maybe that's where the real meat is and my call center enforced racism deprived me of better understanding sooner?
>>40705238
Based retard, yeah a Honda Civic is a big ass car, I wanna learn how to levitate one too
>>40705383
I'll read it, but only to try out the sigils. At this point I'm untrusting of any cosmology meant to be taken to heart other than Jungian archetypes which isn't really cosmology, just shared well built notions. I wish there was some skilled magician who was also a skilled physicist (not the crackpots that post their ramblings here), alas I'm a physicist but I'm nowhere skilled enough to make any literal sense of magic through intuition only.
>>40705542
being an outright faggot is better than pretending to be a grandiose outright faggot
>>40705803
Call me a complete fucking retard but I don't think physiological differences matter that much, read the article I attached. Frontal lobe microlesions were theorized to work because what culls most magical operations is intermittent doubt, but there's surely more enhancements that could work us up to godlike powers imo.

>>40705731
No,no, I didn't say magic as a whole is fake and gay. Just how it is presented and what we can do with it right now. The trials and tribulations aren't worth it if all I'm gonna be able to do is rng spoofing.
>>40705831
I didn't mean the grimoires posted here, I meant almost everything posted that's available anywhere.
>>40705986
Yea yea I feel better, I'm on summer break and I revisited my magic books and was disappointed is all. Hasty generalizations have taken me far enough, but even you can tell this one didn't entirely miss the mark. I'll say MOST magic books but only because there's thousands I havent read. The odds of the remainder aren't looking too good.

>>40706243
>but there's surely more enhancements that could work us up to godlike powers imo.

Yes; "Current 218/182" (book of sitra achra + Liber Falxifer series) teaches you about "meta-spirituality and Spiritual Power-gaming"; ie "Spiritual meta-gaming etc". Makes you good at "how spirituality objectively works"; ie "scientific understanding of advanced Metaphysics". You read sigils with the third eye; Cross stations in LF3 as well as stuff like "Emissary sigils" in Book of Sitra Achra teaches you a bunch of advanced stuff.
Advanced metaphysical Diagrams and all sorts of fun. Here's some "Emissaries of the Qlipha Thagirion" from Book of Sitra achra

>>40706339
ie just practice with the sigils from such books (stuff published by N.a.a-218; "Qliphothically generated" books; ie not human written; "auto-published through online book publisher") and you'll start comprehending the "sigil language" eventually.
Try "focusing on the Black points" etc.

>>40704867
how fucking gae can you get? god and satan are not real. the stupid desert demon you worship is a babylonian wind deity that the kikes brought home from babylonian exile. then at home they exaggerated his role during exorcism to impress other demons, as it is typical for kikes because they only know lying and stealing: "no you will stop possessing my fellow banker friend Schlomo for I have Yahweh on my side. He has 3 testicles and 2 dongs.He is the biggest god of them all." ...

and now a few thousand years later you waste your life on a 3000 year old kike lie. congratulations, you got kiked.

>>40704487
>What's the obsession with casting fireball?
You wouldn't get it even if I'd tell you.

also fuck stoves man

>>40704467 (OP)
Fuck, I'd be happy if I could levitate a Honda Fit. Or even a Honda Motocompo...

>>40706243
>I don't think physiological differences matter that much
You are simple.
>>40706253
>I didn't say magic as a whole is fake and gay
I know what you were saying and I just agreed with you.
>rng spoofing
If that's all you've managed to figure out, there's quite a lot more to learn.
When you realize this one thread is about you and the thing you did a few years ago and now people can't stop talking about it because it was crazy and you're obviously some sort of magician or something - then you'll know. But you'll need to climb a mountain or two first. Good luck with that.

>>40704680
bumping le thread using this retard's reply

>>40704483
How do i win the lottery with magic?

>>40704483
"This significant effect was found only after we applied a post hoc weighting procedure aligned with our overarching hypothesis. "

Hmmmm

>>40704483
> nothing but uncommon but plausible happenings
How do I manifest myself impregnating Sweetiefox?

>>40709655
Yeah, most of the criticisms have already been patched up, what he did was valid even if it was posthoc, imo. Here's the commentary
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945224000315?via%3Dihub
>>40708139
Thanks for having faith in my spoopy powers, I'll do my best then
>>40709672
>>40709446
By reading gay magic books and picking a method you think is best. The money thing is harder on account of Damon Brand being one of the faggots who curses his books so that they "don't work" if they're pirated. Stupid.

>>40705383
Too dark for me, hard pass, sorry.

Imma go and read the indians

>>40704467 (OP)
have you read franz bardon
>>40704483
have you tried learning from a real alchemist
>when you know how to make gold, you wont need to anymore
>t. burensteinas

>>40709446
you don't

>>40709672
lucid dreaming and such

>>40704487
>What's the obsession with casting fireball?
archetypal spell

>>40705986
>We were sold on the promise of becoming wizards, and we want to be wizards.
do you even believe it's possible?
do you follow the white rabbit?

>>40706037
>Fasade state
façade?
i've often wondered about that: there is a current state of the world that makes flashy magic difficult

>>40704661
sigh
you are babbling about your own wanderings
the elements are, they're just named differently today for their physical aspects and somewhat ignored for their spiritual ones
fire action water reaction air movement earth density

>>40704683
>thelema, wicca, left hand, middle pillar, kabbala, planetary, and others
all shit
neggerjooshit

>>40704943
>I fully believe that the people behind published magic texts shouldn't be so sassy because, just like the rest of us, they have moderate success to show for it.
isnt that obvious
write a fiction in which some dude performs magic and makes it public
what happens then

>>40705238
>I do know that real, tangible magick exists.
drop the K

>>40705908
>There will be a lot of public hangings. It will likely be "illegal/non-supported" to try to protect certain individuals from public lynch mobs.
lol
sure it will be the antisemiiiiites and other militia types

>>40706243
>skilled magician who was also a skilled physicist
just named him

>>40706339
that's just dark kabbalah for retards, anon

>>40704467 (OP)
>>40704483
I mean , I do agree that , that you should always read any magical text with the expectation of , metaforically speaking , slaping in the face and telling them they are wrong , regardless on how well they made thier lectures.

But I don't agree with the cynism , I read. A coment here that really resonated with me , that people are discovering something novel and correct , bluiding some understanding , is just that eventually after failure groups just decide to eventually overplay it safe , just one or 2 tricks after mastery and not much else , I think its better to just seem this people as being stoken down by a monster and trying to look at thier corpes to see how it could be avoided , than just looking down on them completly.

>>40710563
Also , I guess I do agree with you OP with books in the sence that I never trust a book with actually explaining magic to me , no matter how legit the magitian clams to be , just stich together information , a lot of the time out of non occult books.

>>40710140
>façade?
>i've often wondered about that: there is a current state of the world that makes flashy magic difficult


Yes; things are only noticable to the trained eye in the current state. See concepts like "The Masquerade". Right now everything is "Subtle".
When the Apocalypse hits a lot of Fun kicks in.

When you develop an understanding of spiritual stuff you'll understand the humongous differences in Power level between different groups. There's "measurable metaphysical statlines"; this is in your physical geneology; ie spiritual alchemy stuff adds metaphysical supernatural properties to your physical geneology. See games like Path of Exile as guidance; "genetical passive skill tree".
Highly advanced stats and gameplay mechanics overall.
These "invasory rays of Oreb Zaraq" from Book of sitra achra second edition for example is a bunch of "different kinds of Defensive stat upgrades"; study them to see if you can comprehend the metaphysical defensive properties described in sigil form; as well as how to "install"; ie how to upgrade your body with these.
Worth your time to take that seriously; try it.

>>40704483
There are people who figured it out who try to express to others how to do it
>sit their ass all day manifesting gold bars in their living room. Its not that it cannot be done, as many idiots will have you believe, it can be donee but no one knows how and even if they were people who do, those are not the kind that would sell books telling you how: for the exact reason I pointed out.
youtube.com/@MFMP/search?query=gold
Apparently there are people whose job is simply to make gold for the govt since the coffers are empty and we have WW3 (which is simply the end of WW2)

>>40705986
>We were sold on the promise of becoming wizards, and we want to be wizards. Not psychologists or slightly better gamblers
I've been doing psionics from the old psi pog handbook and I am really feeling/ reading people's thoughts and emotions and seeing objects wiggle when I try and hearing frequencies.
I believe that stuff does exist and as more and more people start exiting the mazes or modern life those heroic powers will manifest more frequently.

>>40704487
it's about self-empowerment. being able to do it yourself rather than relying on other things to do it for you.

chunnis of the world unite. i too am interested in a day where creating fireballs becomes commonplace. this is part of the reason ive taken interest in biokinesis as i am interested in results that go beyond synchronicity or happenstance.

i recommend looking into ice magic:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40544754/#40544754
tegtmeier seems to share a similar sort of jaded reaction to how we treat magic today. to him magic is about "doing the impossible" and he demands a continuous deconstruction of various practices for the impossible to be achieved. something ive recently noticed is a small resonance between hodoianon's approach and the underlying approach we see in ice magic. ice magic adjacent martial arts focus on a lot of developing finer control over the body and performing actions with the least tension or effort. there is also a general tendency in ice magic to shatter illusions of continuity. this latter point ive already likened before to increased to perceiving finer and finer temporal discontinuities within certain vipassana practices (which also get touched on here https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38711593).

>>40716499
ive noticed that all of these principles are also quite subtly evinced here:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/39965797/#39968640
>You can feel the hodos of weight by holding the pebble, that's it. Focus your awareness on that relationship (everything is relationships determined by the hodoi) and you will refine it simply by consciously interacting with the hodos in that manner. When you start you'll use your senses to perceive the hodoi and get a hold of them, but the goal is to perceive with your consciousness, not with your eyes, touch..etc. With practice you start to perceive hodoi without the senses, you can feel the presence of something without looking at it, feel its weight, shape, texture..etc. Don't try to rush there though, just focus on the pebble's hodos of weight to begin with. Consider it a sort of meditation.
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/39965797/#39972335
>If you impose upon the lattice you will meet resistance. You don't command it, you move with it and shift with it. This is why the moment you try to "force" a change the lattice pushes back. But that doesn't mean you are just "harmonizing" in the passive sense either. You are the lattice, as much as the pebble you're practicing with, or as much as a river, or the void beyond. The moment you stop thinking of yourself as "self" and the world as "other" then you see the cohesiveness.

something ive also recently seen is this kid who seemed to have approached telekinesis via intuitive sight
https://youtu.be/9Zhnm-BOo4c?si=tC0SDzVVG8-MNiYy
her approach was to tell the object to move after attaining an intuitive familiarity with the tool. this seems to resonate with the idea of developing an intimate perception of hodoi from which you may intuitively change its familiarity.

>>40716558
idk if the hodoi guy is bsing but the analogies in all of this are remarkable. while typical approaches focus on practices that gravitate towards samatha jhanic states which compress experience and dissociate from the world, these ideas all seem to be moving towards a decompression of experience and deeper association with the fine functioning of the world

taken together here are some suggested exercises:
>sawtooth waveform training
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38711593/#38732171
>noting vibrations
https://www.mctb.org/mctb2/table-of-contents/part-i-the-fundamentals/5-the-three-characteristics/
>practice intuitive sight with the aim first of closed eye vision. you want to try and pay attention to the feeling/mental state that is most effective at sensing visual phenomena without your eyes open, which you can bring to other things
http://jfls.free.fr/
>train sensing hodoi
>???
>profit
i think the occult can still useful for all of this stuff but its more for speeding up the attainment of siddhis by magickally transforming ones consciousness. note that a lot of western occult practices have their roots in the tantras which aimed to actually achieve enlightenment in this lifetime through various heterodox spiritual practices

those are my thoughts rn. i need to get to grinding soon

>>40704487
you might as well ask "what's the point of climbing the himalayas?" it's because its there...

>>40716574
>note that a lot of western occult practices have their roots in the tantras which aimed to actually achieve enlightenment in this lifetime through various heterodox spiritual practices
Small thing to note but important: Tantra wasn't always specifically Vamachara.
Regardless, we certainly agree about this. If one were to combine, hypothetically, Tantra and Western Occult practices, they might find something fun.
>attainment of siddhis
I really have to insist that, unless you mean Telepathy, maybe precognition or other sensory amplifications, "Siddhis" aren't really something you can have unless you have the proper genetics.
However, there's a big catch here. Just as we differ physically, we also differ non-physically. Not all entities are equal, just as their vessels.

>>40716681
>Small thing to note but important: Tantra wasn't always specifically Vamachara.
yeah i was oversimplifying things a little bit true
>"Siddhis" aren't really something you can have unless you have the proper genetics
i agree that psychic abilities are physiologial, but i also believe most people can use biokinesis to change their physiology (even if they couldn't someone could likely perform biokinesis on them too). we also know that meditation changes epigenetic expression already e.g. here:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7431950/
perhaps this would be the next stage in biokinetic practice, though noone is even close to pursuing something like this yet. if homo capensis is real, perhaps they did pursue such a thing (notice how the part of the enlarged part of the skull corresponds to the parietal lobes)