Why is it that all the times I've prayed to God asking for guidance he's been silent, but the very first time I made an offering to a demon and asked for help I received a response and was assisted with what I needed help with?

>>40730831 (OP)
This universe is evil, controlled by machine elves posing as archons.
Your entire life was scripted.
They wanted to experience living apart from the truth so now you have this joke of a reality. It'll all be destroyed one day.

>>40730831 (OP)
I don't know, I get everything I pray for, sometimes, it takes years for prayers to come in, but they always do. So I don't know, what have you prayed for that didn't come in?

>>40730831 (OP)
You aren't asking this question out of a true desire to know God, OP - your willingness for deceit draws demons to you, and you in turn will be deceived.

Jesus is Lord.

Sounds like a u problem if ur goals are more interesting to demons kek

>>40730913
yawn

>>40730831 (OP)
Because you don't like God and consider yourself his enemy which is why you casually fraternize with demons. He knows our hearts.
>Pleeeeeeeease give me guidance???
>Ugh this is gay I'm going to go ask Satan
That's you and you know it and so does God

>>40730915
>>40730929
These guys kind of have a point, the rest of us aren't turning to demons

>>40730929
I probably wouldn't be asking demons if God ever decided to show me something, anything. Don't misunderstand, I didn't just jump into this. I tried to live a Christian life for years.

>>40730948
Yeah yeah you and everyone else I've ever talked to about this. And you went to Catholic school too, right? God is subtle and his truth is shown through the goodness you experience every day. Demons are not subtle because they want your attention so they can pull you away from God. Your first option after you
>tried to live a Christian life
Was to bust out the ars goetia? That was always within you, and God knows that sort of thing. People look for excuses to do the bad things they want to do.
>You stressed me out so bad I HAD to smoke again!
No, you wanted to smoke because you like cigarettes and you used whatever happened as an excuse to do what you always wanted to do in the first place. You always held some level of contempt for God out of pride I imagine and were pulled towards his adversaries as a result. Well now you know that Satan and his retard squad are real. What does that imply about God? You get your fucking sign every time you talk to Ghargorax'nah'shadar the Dark or whoever it is you've got attached to you.

>>40730989
>Your first option after you tried to live a Christian life was to bust out the ars goetia?

No. I didn't just stop being Christian yesterday. This has been a long process.

>>40730989
>That was always within you, and God knows that sort of thing

Follow up question. If this was always in me, why did God create me at all? Why would he create someone who wants to fraternize with demonic spirits?

>>40731039
I don't care to hear your tragic backstory. Again, you're talking to real demons from HELL and you can't put two and two together about what that implies?

>>40730831 (OP)
because youre closer to one than the other. The beings in the most high are out of touch and your higher senses arenr activated. Even if they reply you wont be able to hear them.

>>40731041
Because you can make the choice to come away, and turn back to Him - you're literally in the middle of that choice right now.

Come back, God loves you.

>>40731041
I don't know why God made you. I'm not God. He likes making people and his ideal version of you is happy and at peace. You go after things that are counterproductive to that goal. At a certain point we are responsible for ourselves, even if we have things wrong with us. I understand if your life has been difficult and that it may have felt like he wasn't there. But to even consider doing something like this, it takes the desire to spite him to a certain extent. Would you stick your neck out for someone who's willing to stomp on a rusty nail just to spite you? Especially someone you actually love, but they apparently hate you so much they're willing to do that? No, you'd think they were crazy and would avoid them. What you've done is crazy and self destructive but sew the wind and reap the whirlwind. Maybe it's a lesson God wants you to learn. I used to do shit like this too. I wasn't a Christian in the first place, I just wanted to see whether or not it was real and like you currently understand, Satan is a lot louder than God. But once you know that he's real, you should probably get your affairs in order, because it also means He's real.

>>40731052
>and you can't put two and two together about what that implies?
I don't deny that God is real, anon. I'm saying maybe he isn't as good and loving as people claim.

>>40731092
Jeez and you wonder why he doesn't talk to you

>>40730831 (OP)
God isnt your lapdog

>>40731107
You have this whole thing backwards. I am where I am now because God never talked to me.

>>40731110
No, but he does claim to be my loving father and that he will bless those who love him.

>>40731052
>I don't care to hear your tragic backstory
There's that famous Christian love and empathy

>>40730831 (OP)
Is this a rerun?

>>40731118
If you can't wait for even a bit before running to contact his enemies you probably don't love him

>>40731112
God never talked to you because you don't like him and wouldn't have listened anyway. He knows everything about you. He has an open window into your brain. He noticed every time you sneered at the concept of him or rolled your eyes at something in the Bible. He sees the trajectory we choose to travel on. You don't have to not believe God is there. You don't have to stake his existence to you so heavily on you getting something as banal as a 'sign.' Again, you now have a sign that irrefutably proves his existence to you. You have what you wanted. Ok, now what? Are you going to keep talking to these beings who want to flay you alive and dunk you in pools of burning sulphur, or are you going to go talk to the guy who has unconditional affection for you and will forgive you, literally, no matter what you do?

>>40731123
Gay. This doesn't work and nobody cares. Facebook lib coded

>>40731137
>for even a bit
10 years

>>40731176
That's a long time to pretend to not be putting God on trial

>>40731183
Why does he seethe at the idea of people testing him? That's pure anti-reason and anti-though.

>>40730831 (OP)
Care to elaborate what you asked for, what response and what assistance you received OP?

>>40731188
*anti-thought

>>40731191
My bird was sick and not eating and the vet couldn't tell me what was wrong with him other than old age, I made a modest offering to President Marbas that he be made well again, and about an hour later my bird started eating again and is doing much better. I made a thread about it.

>>40731188
It's extremely obvious you were never a Christian and are just concern trolling

>>40731224
>It's extremely obvious you were never a Christian
According to you any person who was once a Christian and then loses faith was "never a Christian"

>>40731188
You doubt him despite the fact that he already has a book that's been around for 2000 years that you should have already read that explicitly says
>You shouldn't doubt me
>I will work everything out for good
And you doubted him and didn't think he would work everything out for good. Well look where you are now
>>40731211
Enslaved to a fucking demon over some stupid bird. That bird is going to die long before you, you understand that? That bird is an animal. It might've been better that it died, it might've opened a new chapter in your life. But now it's alive and you have an entanglement with a President of Hell. Do you think you made the right decision here? Have things worked out for good? Deluded as you are now, I'm sure you're tempted to say yes. Like Esau selling his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of soup.

>>40731234
No I just think you specifically weren't one. You wanted the world, always did, and now you have it. Enjoy your bird. You have obviously been scammed by the spiritual equivalent of a Nigerian prince email to anyone on the outside looking in

>>40730850
This is as close to the truth as you can get imo. I would like to add that suffering is the currency you can purchase things for in this reality, be it your own or inflicting it on others (this is why the rich are into raping children, inflicting maximum suffering on an innocent child yields the greatest amount of coin). Yes, it's fucked up but that's how it is.

>>40731250
>over some stupid bird
Fuck you.

>>40730989
Christ cucks everyone. Utterly pathetic. I would give you some of my time and rip this apart but I've learned to never deal with zealots preaching YOU JUST DIDNT BELIEVE HARD ENOUGH bullshit so every failure, every evil can be attributed to the victim. Fucking pathetic, no wonder christianity is on it's last legs.

>>40731292
A string of words designed to bait a maximally angry response without addressing any particular point. Botlike

>>40731310
You essentially are just saying
>YOU JUST DIDN'T BELIEVE HARD ENOUGH
Though.

>>40731310
>zealots preaching YOU JUST DIDNT BELIEVE HARD ENOUGH bullshit so every failure, every evil can be attributed to the victim
Start here. Because this is what you are doing.

>>40731260
>No I just think you specifically weren't one.
well you're wrong and you and I have never met before so you'd have no way of knowing this.

>>40731287
Over a bowl of soup

>>40730831 (OP)
idk the glowies wanna get u thinkin like that, nice try demon shill, maybe u needed help bein a dipshit and they saw that as ez work, since u cheap as fuck

>>40731346
My best friend =/= a bowl of soup

My bird has shown me more love than God ever has

>>40731320
Ok. He didn't believe hard enough and his actions prove that to be true.
>>40731324
I have a pretty easy way of knowing this and it's that you summoned a demon to extend the life of your pet bird that's going to die eventually no matter what you do so now you're in the hook for it and that demon has rights to your soul. Which you wouldn't have done if you just trusted God like you were told to. So

>>40731368
>and that demon has rights to your soul
According to..? It's a mutual arrangement.

>>40731041

EXACTLY...does it not say in the GOOD BOOK...which containeth the OLD TESTAMENT OF DEMIURGE CRONUSATURN and containeth the NEW TESTAMENT OF JOB, JOVE, JUPITER ZEUS...that GOD LOVES A SINNER...

https://youtu.be/W5Opvi_UHLY?si=IFnIRVgYJ5AE2vIa

>>40731368
Why would you trust someone who continuously lets you down and may or may not help you at all? And you have to love him even if he treats you like shit (See: Job) Seems like kind of a raw deal

>>40731356
>My best friend
Should have been God but you chose a fucking bird over him. A parakeet or something that flies around in a cage and shits on shredded newspaper. You chose a pet over the deity that created you. You were likely always going to do this, this sort of behavior is a pattern I imagine. Short sighted and selfish. I know you want to spin it as some tragic Faust shit but you really did fuck up and your pet bird is not worth your eternal soul

>>40731384
You don't even believe my pet bird has an eternal soul or is worth anything so I don't really care about what you say or what you say God says.

>>40731176
What did you expect? Abraham waited far longer and didn't turn to demons

>>40731374
No it isn't. The demon is in the position of power over you, he is the one providing services. When God is helping you, you are under his auspices, you are a sheep in the flock. When a demon gives you something, you under its auspices in the same way. You're territory in a war that's been conquered. If you died tomorrow, you would 100% go to hell and get tortured for all of eternity. Over a fucking bird.
>>40731383
God knew Job would thug it out which is why he allowed those things to happen to him. God knows you're capable of thugging it out and coming out stronger on the other side, but you chose something worse out of pettiness and to snub him. Ok, you're allowed to. But you will not like how this turns out for you. Those things only stay nice to you for as long as they need to. Their ultimate goal is for you to kill yourself while you're still in sin and under their influence do you go to hell.

>>40731391
You're a fucking fool. A genuine fool

>>40731368
You are arguing a position where any bad outcome can be palmed off to 'not having enough faith' and any good outcome is because God is good. This is a terrible position to take. I can now argue that the Israelis are 100% justified to kill every Palestinian child because God would have stopped the Israeli from doing so if they weren't justified. The person trapped slavery is because their faith isn't strong enough so they are enslaved to someone of more faith. The arms dealers getting rich of the Ukraine war and the death of millions is being rewarded because they have more faith etc etc. You position is that of a zealot that cannot think objectively because you are nothing but a speaker repeating someone else's dogma.

>>40731421
>you are a sheep in the flock
Christians are actually proud to call themselves this.

>>40731435
>You're a fucking fool. A genuine fool
Not very compelling

>>40731435

>>40731457
No, this is how you're choosing to interpret it because you're retarded and insane and hate God. Bad things happen because humanity likes to do evil. Bad things occasionally happen because of random chance. Bad things also happen because God allows them to, but takes bad things and works them out for the betterment of all. God can only do this for people if they let him, but most people don't because humanity is retarded and insane and hate God. That person is trapped in slavery because humanity has slaves, because our faith in God is not strong enough. That individual is in an unfortunate circumstance. God can liberate them from their circumstances, or he might never. It depends on what would serve the good that God is pursuing. He might've answered your prayer and fixed your stupid bird, or he might not have. It might've been better for you that the bird died. Do you know why people aren't constantly winning the lottery, despite that being one of what people pray for the most? Because most people cannot handle that much material abundance and it ruins their lives. The hard part about being a human is that we don't have much self awareness, so we can become substantially worse as people without ever recognizing it. Why isn't every artist Picasso? Why isn't every busker you pass on the street the new Eddie Vetter? Because if they had those positions, it would drive them insane and ruin their lives. And it would make them substantially worse people. Now, Satan doesn't care whether or not you are good or whether or not you're suffering. He will give you free candy until you're fat and ready to cook. Enjoy your candy

>>40731546
>Bad things happen because humanity likes to do evil.
Who created humanity? And this is the same God who knows our every thought.

>>40731476
Nobody cares faggot

>>40731546
>Do you know why people aren't constantly winning the lottery, despite that being one of what people pray for the most?

Because the odds of winning the lottery are infinitesimally small. Has nothing to do with God or prayer.

>>40731553
The most annoying thing about talking to someone like you is that you either know why you're wrong and don't care or you don't know and don't care so no matter what I say you will just keep doing and saying the exact same things so none of it matters

>>40731561
Ok atheist I don't care. I'm not talking to you. Not everything is about you people.
>>>/lgbt/

>>40731569
I'm not an atheist. You're like those people on /pol/ who deflect every criticism of Trump with "You lost tranny"

>>40731546
>Bad things happen because humanity likes to do evil.
Bad things happen all the time that have nothing to do with humanity. If humanity does evil, it's because God designed a world in which evil is often more rewarding than virtue.

>>40731576
I don't care
>>40731579
Do you want to do evil?

>>40731384
>You were likely always going to do this
Then why are you holding me morally responsible and not the deity who created me exactly as I am?

>>40731546
Thanks for proving my point and confirming all bad = not enough faith. The amount of cope you have included in your post to justify this position astounding and confirms you are a zealot, parroting the church lines like the good little mindless drone that you currently are. If the first Christians could hear you, they would be rolling in their graves hearing this kind of illogical dogma being pushed as modern Christianity. Also you limiting God to only be able to act under certain circumstances/ conditionally is a kick in the teeth of the Neo-platonists that church thrived under.

Given your position you should be able to exactly define the amount of faith needed for God to never allow bad to happen to you. Before you reply even someone described by God as perfect and without sin (Job) didn't have enough faith to stop God using him as a disposable pawn in his game so beyond that I take it?

>>40731588
>Do you want to do evil?
I'm human, we've all done evil at some point

>>40731592
You are not op
>>40731597
>zealot
>parroting
>does not understand the history of the church
>aggressively does not understand how God functions
>is obviously just hostile to Christianity as a concept
You are stupid as shit and only made this thread to get into an argument where you could display how stupid you are. Congratulations you are stupid. God would never allow nothing bad to happen to you, you whiny faggot. If nothing bad ever happened to you, you would never know where your weaknesses are and never address them.

>>40731604
He thinks everything is evil and should be hate fucked for the crime of being created by an all powerful, all knowing being who created you in such a way that you would always do evil, so he would have to punish you for the way he created you and that you need saving from the way he created you so he can accept you the way he created you. Whether you accept the ritual human sacrifice of jesus, something God knows you will do from the moment he created you, will determine if you burn in hell forever for the way that he created you.

>>40731604
That's not what I asked. You apparently consider evil to be rewarding. Do you want to do evil? It seems like you want to do evil and then blame God for making evil so fun.

>>40731617
>Ad hominem
> Claims secret knowledge
> Doesn't explain shit
I accept you concession.

>>40731618
>aggressively does not understand how God functions

>>40731626
> Doesn't explain shit
>God would never allow nothing bad to happen to you, you whiny faggot. If nothing bad ever happened to you, you would never know where your weaknesses are and never address them.
You are fucking stupid

>>40731617
Gnostics were some of the earliest Christians and they thought this world was created by evil, for evil. Shows how much you know about the early church I guess.

>>40731421
>When God is helping you, you are under his auspices, you are a sheep in the flock.
Shepherds do 2 things to sheep:
Fleece them.
Eat them.
Well, I guess 3 things.

>>40731638
>God creates you flawed
>So you can suffer and fix those flaws
>Fail and burn for eternity
All loving, all knowing, all powerful everyone.

>>40731618
A father who treated his kids like this would be in prison for child abuse

>>40731623
I try to live virtuously, but yes in the past I have done evil things because they were more rewarding in the moment, like everyone has

>>40731629
Explain how God works. Also explain why your interpretation is correct over 4,300 religions interpretation.

Em religiões afro é necessário vc oferecer coisas que agradam a quem vc pediu de vc faz um pedido a deus imagino que vc não fez uma oferenda que fasa valer o esforço

>No True Scotsman all over this thread
why is it impossible for christians to argue without resorting to logical fallacies?

>>40731640
You are nowhere near as learned as you imagine yourself to be. Gnosticism is a heresy, which is why we currently go to mass and don't sit around in a field moping about how evil God is like a bunch of 3rd century AD Greek emos.
>>40731642
Intentionally not understanding a metaphor in order to make a point you don't believe
>>40731648
God created you to be perfect, humanity is born flawed because the world is fallen. Look, you are angry at evil and injustice. I understand. God is not unjust or evil. Satan is. If you want to direct your aggression at someone, I would recommend aiming it at the person who directly caused humanity to be in the current state we're in. His name starts with an S and he's the boss of your current sugar daddy.

>>40731656
Yeah. And God understands that because it's in human nature sometimes to be selfish. He will forgive you, if you ask.
>>40731664
What do you want to know?
>>40731673
>Fallacy fallacy

>>40731678
>You are nowhere near as learned as you imagine yourself to be. Gnosticism is a heresy

Lmao. Do you think calling something "heresy" means anything to gnostics?

>>40731692
>God understands that
I sure hope so because he literally designed it that way

>>40731692
Fallacy my fucking nuts bitch, "god never ever showed he cares about you because you secretly weren't a good enough christian" is tired gaslighting
not op
I was a FUCKING AWFUL christian by your standards yet my family members were saved from death multiple times. One of them was even an atheist. Well not all of them a couple still died from their own mistakes. Which leads me to believe God is an entity that doesn't really interfere in day to day, and sometimes just forgets to get there fast enough to save his followers... Like when I'm browsing the internet while playing creatures and accidentally let one die

>>40731702
No, because they're stupid. That's the thing about these conversations. Everyone has a version of what's absolutely unambiguously true in their heads and nobody will ever come to any conclusions because they are certain they're correct. These conversations can go in circles forever. I can answer any questions about Christianity in a way that's logically coherent, but the presuppositions that the people I'm speaking to operate from proclude anything I'm saying from being correct, no matter how internally consistent they are. I can say the earliest gnostic texts date back to the 2nd century AD and are considered apocryphal for their inconsistent depiction of the events of Genesis, which predate them by multiple centuries, but gnostics believe gnosticism is true because animals eat each other and there's war and shit like that. They have very large feelings that cannot be argued away. Atheists are as certain that God isn't real as they are that the sky is blue. At the end of this conversation, nobody will have learned anything or changed

>>40731711
He did not, we fucked things up in the garden
>>40731725
That's a very immature way to view divine providence

>>40731729
>He did not, we fucked things up in the garden
crazy he didn't see that coming

>>40731729
>we
Were you there? Was I there? That was Adam and Eve's sin and we're under generational punishment like political dissidents in north korea

>>40731726
So why are you here then? Why don't you just fuck off?

>>40731678
Satan didn't create this world, satan cannot create/do things beyond what God allows (according to job). God created the world with perfect knowledge of how it would go (if you cannot accept this then he isn't all knowing and thus Christianity is false). If Christianity is true then God put the evil into creation from the moment he jizzed it out. That or he isn't all powerful/all knowing/all loving and your religion is false as one of the corner posts of your God fails and thus the rest fails with it. God created some humans to burn and to do evil, they have no choice in the matter because God made them that way and if God did not want them that way he would have created them differently.
>inb4 free will
Christianity and free will are mutually exclusive, an all knowing God / free will are opposite sides of the coin. Christianity claims an all knowing God so free will cannot exist. Those who are to be saved are pre-elected from creation and the same as those that will burn. To get around this you play lose and fast with what the Bible says and bring in bullshit from outside of it (the church) or you place temporary artificial limits on the power of and all powerful God for it to make sort of sound right for people who are only thinking from a earthly/human perspective.

>>40731729
I just feel happier, healthier, and less paralyzed by fear of committing sin now that I worship my own pantheon who doesn't want to send me to suffer forever over a couple mistakes. I feel like they're helping my family get along better, too.

>>40731731
He saw it as a possibility but we made the choice in the end
>>40731735
Yup. Like the baby of a wino born with fetal alcohol syndrome. Our ancestors made a choice. God doesn't violate our free will. He won't take the consequences of our decisions away, good or bad. Our free will is incredibly important to him.

>>40731742
If God is good why does he let Satan, the most evil being in existence, do anything?

>>40731748
Explain how free will can exist when the thing that creates you has perfect knowledge of every action you take from the moment he creates you.

>>40731748
He is literally violating free will by punishing us for Adam and Eves sin

>>40731748
My gods don't enforce "the sins of the father are passed down to the son" btw

>>40731762
He can't, they can never explain. I've seen this exact conversation hundreds of times.

>>40731741
Because op wanted a fight and now he's getting one
>>40731742
Your definition of omniscience is faulty. God sees all possible futures, he doesn't see THE future. Which is why prophecies are conditional, retard.
>>40731743
>These drug dealers and my junkie friends enable me which feels waaaaaaay better than rehab
>I just sit around eating chips and jerking off all day, it feels soooooo much better than working out or talking to people
Huh

>>40731753
God is not just good. God is everything, so God is both good and evil, God is also you. This is a stupid little game to see how things go when God limits itself.

>>40731748
>He saw it as a possibility but we made the choice in the end
Supposedly he's omniscient so he designed the garden, placed the tree, placed the snake, and let us succumb to temptation knowing full well we would fail (because he creates us that way) just so he could punish us for all eternity. That's psycho shit

the path to hell is steep and slippery

>>40731778
Not all powerful, not all knowing. Christianity is thus a lie. Also a funny temporary limit on God's power when it suits you. Pathetic. Go meditate and grow from this stupid dogma you have accepted a truth.

>>40731753
Because, believe or not, he loves him too and has to respect his decisions to a certain extent. This is why we have to actively REFUSE Satan. Satan gets to offer us sin, but he can't force us to do it. That is the extent of his free will. He would love to just possess you and make you jump off of a cliff, but God doesn't let him. Satan gets to larp as a king for now but ultimately God's failson will eventually be put in the corner forever.
>>40731764
He would be violating the free will of Adam if he just let you be perfect. Everything is inherited from the father, which is why God had to incarnate as himself. To be born free from the sin of Adam, the one pure man.
>>40731765
Because they're lying to you about how reality works but you like the lies because they're what you want to be true. Even though you can look at the world as it is and obviously see that the sins of the father affect the child.

>>40731808
Seems like a lot of cope to me. But if it makes you happy then you do you.

>>40731786
Wow that's literally the exact opposite of what I just said. It's like you just make shit up for yourself to believe and get angry at
>>40731790
Wow that's not at all what I just said. It's like you just make shit up for yourself to believe and get angry at

>>40731778
Oh ok, so your insistence that my parents' horribly dysfunctional pairing and intermittent severe drug issues, alongside my unmedicated mental illnesses that have made me non-functional in society since i was a kid and only got progressively worse, are my crucible, and something I should not seek to overcome. Ok lol. Suffer here for eternal bliss later! Don't try to overcome your god-given suffering please! Nah I'm gonna keep trying different pillz until one helps. Go look for a worldly partner. All that jazz. I've been halted in one spot for too long.

>>40731824
>Can't see THE future
Not all knowing.

>>40731778
>he doesn't see THE future.
So he isn't all knowing then

>>40731822
>Give perfect explanation
>"Yeaaaaaah... sounds like cope"
>>40731726

>>40731824
>Wow that's literally the exact opposite of what I just said.
So you believe God isnt all knowing? Sorry if im confused, that's not the typical Christian position

>>40731778
>God can only do the Dr. Strange thing
ok lol

>>40730831 (OP)
Because God™ is a (legion of) demon(s), not a god.

>>40731808
It's not a lie about how reality works, it's just a different idea that we don't have the power to enforce yet.

>>40731847
>>40731839
>>40731834
>>40731830
Most Christians think God is just a really powerful anime character and not the all encompassing everything that he should be. It's because the logical consequences of the Christian God being everything means that he fucked up pretty badly according to the bible and they cannot admit that.

>>40731829
No you should seek to overcome it. Again
>Wow that's not at all what I just said. It's like you just make shit up for yourself to believe and get angry at
Look I am not your therapist and when people have a problem with God it is almost always because their own life is fucked in some way. You attempting to overcome your circumstances is good, and makes you a stronger person. You attempting to overcome your circumstances through summoning a fucking demon is awful and will make your circumstances much worse in the long run.
>>40731830
>>40731834
>>40731839
>He can see every possible future but you have to pick one
>"Woooooow... he doesn't know what I'll pick? Then he's not all knowing..."
The future does not exist until it's here. God knows what you're going to pick the moment you pick it. Your existence is not deterministic. That's the point. Why do you people fixate so strongly on this point? You really are like little Satans, picking words out of a book that uses poetic language and twisting them into nonsense to confuse yourself and others. Would you like your life to be deterministic? Do you want God to move you around like a doll?

>>40731847
Genuinely insanely gay and reddit of you
>He can only do this thing that is totally impossible for any real human to do?
God can only see every single possible future that could ever exist, that's all, like a made up marvel character. God can also instantly kill you like the friggin Sentry brooooo! Like the heckin' Sentry from Marvel! U are gay

>>40731886
Ok so you're agreeing with us that God is not all knowing and can only do >>40731847. Funny with all the other bullshit you put in there after to try and preemptively belittle anyone questioning your stance. And yes if God is both all knowing and the creator then life is deterministic.

>>40731853
Truth nuke

>>40731886
>Why do you people fixate so strongly on this point?
Because what you're saying doesn't make sense and we're trying to understand

>You really are like little Satans
Why do Christians assume that if you don't immediately agree with them no questions asked, you must be working for the Devil?

>>40731925

>>40731930
>Why do Christians assume that if you don't immediately agree with them no questions asked, you must be working for the Devil?
Ask yourself why there are 45,000 sects of Christianity all of which claim to uniquely have the truth and the way to salvation and you will have your answer.

>fo you want god to move you around like a doll

If he is completely 100% good, then yes. Why wouldn't you?

>>40731921
God is all knowing and the creator. You also have free will. He knows everything you could do, and knows everything you're doing. You fixate so strongly on this wording, but it's not actually something any Christian (besides Calvinists) have ever believed. This is a definition atheists made up for themselves as a lynchpin for the incoherency of God, but again, is based off of the wording of a book that uses poetic language. Trust me, I know the type of person you are from your posts and have no expectations that you'll argue in good faith. It's very tiresome to run into these points ad infinitum, assume they're a misunderstanding, and realize it's just you being obtuse
>>40731930
You don't want to understand and you don't agree no matter how many questions are answered, because your opposition to Christianity comes from a material basis. You don't like Christianity as a cultural force and oppose it on that basis. We are implicitly having a political debate feigning as a theological discussion. There is no way you will ever accept what I say, because I'm a member of an opposing political block.

>>40730831 (OP)
This is very simple OP.

Depending on which demon you called.

Unless you interfaced with a daemon.

Be more precise in your language.

Demons are evil spirits.

Not all daemons are demons
Not all demons are daemons
Some daemons have been cast as demons
Some demons have been cast as daemons
The Jews were banned from communicating with daemons
Because they kept birthing demons

Do you understand now?

The Lord gave us a spirit world to interact with. But the irresponsibility of the Jews and their immaculate conceptions with demons led to a blanket ban.

Jews ruin everything
Jesus showed you the way
"Spirits pass through arid places seeking rest "
Your body is mostly water
You are a recursive womb for daemonogenesis

>>40731993
That's right. Hail Odin.

>>40731993
>You don't want to understand and you don't agree no matter how many questions are answered, because your opposition to Christianity comes from a material basis. You don't like Christianity as a cultural force and oppose it on that basis. We are implicitly having a political debate feigning as a theological discussion. There is no way you will ever accept what I say, because I'm a member of an opposing political block.
classic christian victim mentality

>>40731980
Ok. Then allow yourself to be filled with the holy spirit and endure discomfort for your betterment and the betterment of the people around you. Ignore temptations when they're presented to you and forsake the fleeting earthly pleasures Satan offers you. Tada, you are being puppeted by God.

>>40731993
Explain how complete knowledge of my being, thoughts, actions and actions I will take along with creating me == free will. That is the text book definition of determinism. Is there part of me that God cannot predict? Then he is not all powerful. Claiming I am not arguing is good faith is an utter bullshit cope on your part. You have just admitted that I am predestined to take the actions that God wanted me to take as he knows all thus free will is an illusion. You don't get to have an all powerful, all knowing that is the creator and free will they are mutually exclusive concepts. If God wants free will then he has to give up his power and then he is no longer all powerful and thus a core claim of Christianity fails and the religion is false. For Christianity to be true free will must not and cannot exist and we are all just dancing to God's will.

>>40732000
I am obviously more intelligent than you
>>40732007
Nope sorry the other retard gave up the game. He should've kept lying, that's what your master expects of you two. Deceit. Poor showing on his part but you make your father the devil proud

>>40732016
God created earthly pleasures dipshit. Satan creates nothing. God is the singular creator who makes everything. What sort of fucked up Christianity are you pushing?

>>40731886
>You attempting to overcome your circumstances through summoning a fucking demon is awful
Said already I'm not OP
I'm not one of these funny little demon summoning fellas I'm just over here helping to clean up all this spaghetti code left by your shitty religion :) it's an open source project

>>40732042
>want to know more about God
>ask someone that appears to have a strong belief in God
>get accused of working for the devil
>burn in hell for eternity because your never found faith
It was over before it even began

>>40732033
>You have just admitted that I am predestined to take the actions that God wanted me to take as he knows all thus free will is an illusion.
No, I did not. Wow it's almost like you just make shit up for yourself to be angry at. God knows you inside and out and what you are most likely to choose. God is all powerful, everything in the universe starts and stops at him. All of it ends up at his desk. However, there are things that, due to his nature, he is unwilling to do. Violating your free will namely. Your existence being deterministic would obviously not all you to have free will, so he does not know exactly what you're going to do. He could have created you to be deterministic, but actively chose not to. Humanity is the rock so heavy he cannot carry it, despite him being able to to carry it. Also the rules you have concerning these things are, again, entirely self constructed and have nothing to do with what Christians believe. You believe the atheist version of Christianity that you invented to hit with a stick. I am telling you these things that I know as an actual Christian, and you respond with
>WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS THING YOU DON'T BELIEVE
Well. I don't believe it.
>>40732044
Intentionally misunderstanding poetic language to make a point you don't believe. Anon, sex feels good. God made sex to feel good. Orgies feel good. You are not supposed to have orgies. Painkillers feel good. God created them so that we could numb pain in our bodies. Fentanyl feels good. I doubt I have to say more. You understand this, but are pretending not to.
>>40732054
You are either female or gay so the things you say are worth less to me

>>40732044
>What sort of fucked up Christianity are you pushing?
Oh, I know! It's the type that was pushed on me as a kid and led me to this "puppet of God" state he's describing for a very long time.

>>40732109
What where you're not a total self destructive degenerate

>>40732100
This is not a position you actually hold

>>40732106
>Fentanyl feels good.
False. Fentanyl mostly just makes you a nodder. That's why every time you see someone fenting they're nodding. It's cheap trash heroin. It's prominent because it's cheap to produce and dangerously potent in small amounts. One bag in a drug runner's ass can supply the entirety of Ohio for a day.

>>40732106
You are a ball of contradictions and a true zealot. I hope you get out from under your brainwashing some day but I doubt it because you cannot see it and everyone who disagrees with you is just a child of satan. When you realize this my advice to you is to run as far and as fast as you can from those around you and never look back.

>>40732127
No lol, but i was sincerely trying to understand what you believe

>>40731996
Top tier post but OP won't ever understand it. Stop throwing table scraps to the dogs.

>>40732130
I don't care you have autism
>>40732134
>No argument
>Ad hom
Ok thanks for consneeding
>>40732138
No you weren't you stupid faggot. Genuinely why are you lying when just a few posts ago you were talking about the Christian victim mentality? You are a snake

>>40732159
I see you don't like to be corrected on your mistakes.

>>40732164
I see you like to make vague condescending gestures with no obvious justification for your statement

>>40732159
>The Christian insulting everyone around him.
Truly, the spirit of God inhabits this one.

>>40732173
>>40732164
Oh you were talking about the fentanyl thing. No I'm just not interested in splitting hairs over something totally tangential to the discussion. It's immaterial, you understand the point I was making

>>40732120
cool black and white thinking, did your BPD give it to you?

>>40732182
Who is this even for? Do you think I believe you actually care about this? Do you think I care what your opinion of me is? Why do you people do this when everyone involved know that it's just meaningless shit flinging? Why bother saying this?

>>40732200
I'm not reading a refutation

>>40732159
>No you weren't you stupid faggot. Genuinely why are you lying when just a few posts ago you were talking about the Christian victim mentality? You are a snake
Like I said before what you're saying doesn't make sense. And you're not the first Christian I've encountered that responds with anger if you dont buy their bullshit wholesale. I'm not "culturally opposed" to Christianity as I come from a Christian background myself. I just grew out of it because nothing you people say stands up under even the slightest scrutiny and you chimp out when someone points it out.

>>40732207
I'm saying you act like a child instead of saved Christian. You give us a bad name. Grow the fuck up.

>>40732213
so do you see a middle ground between nun and degenerate or not

>>40732217
Ok well if you don't
>Buy my bullshit
Why the fuck are you still talking to me and pretending you want to know what Christians believe? Shouldn't you already know, considering you come from a
>""""Christian background"''''"
Or maybe you're just a lying sack of shit who's trying to create plausible deniability for himself but is too stupid to keep his story straight. Should have used the made up ex-christian backstory on someone who you weren't pretending to be trying to learn about Christianity from. Retard

>>40732248
Hmmmm idk maybe there's 100000 different flavors of Christianity and i dont pretend to know everything
dipshit

>>40732228
>Us
Kill yourself. The audacity.
>>40732229
Sure but nobody who is actively opposed to God and Christianity is just a milquetoast normgroid. You are into some bad shit that you know is bad and like it

>>40732268
>I don't pretend to know everything
Precedent would suggest otherwise! No anon, you are lying. Atheists constantly do this. I know that you are not a Christian, do not care what Christians believe, and are opposed to Christianity and God. So why are you still lying? I know you are, you know you are. We both understand that you're playing a character that you believed would make your position more compelling and thought you could get away it.

>>40732305
I'm not though. Literally everything you said is wrong.

>>40732305
Yeah people that think they know everything constantly try to learn from others

>>40732319
>Here is something totally non-disprovable that you have plenty of evidence to the contrary for
Well the next time you want to learn something, don't be such an outrageous faggot

>>40732332
>>40732332
So are you double replying or are two people pretending to be the same guy? Either way,
>>40732335

>>40732282
> Anyone who doesn't agree with me is instantly evil and not of God.
You must be over 18 to post here, my brother in Christ.

>>40732335
K retard. You just make christians look bad. Maybe that's your objective

>>40730831 (OP)
God will nudge you very gently in a positive direction for your predicament, if you go the right way you won't be sure God did anything at all.
A demon is blunt and quick, it desires your adoration and to separate you from not only God but your family and friends until it is all you have. It will never truly help you without inflicting an unfathomably harsh 3rd order consequence of your deal.

Self affirmation

>>40732346
>Pointless insults
Don't care
>>40732347
You have lost the argument

>>40732364
>im right and if you question me you're the devil
K

>>40731391
>You don't even believe my pet bird has an eternal soul or is worth anything so I don't really care about what you say or what you say God says.
Your pet bird had an eternal soul, according to the catholic faith but you've just given it and your soul to some demon

>>40732369
>Please take my bait seriously

>>40732364
Begone, Lucifer.

>>40732375
>>40732373

Little wonder Christianity is dying when you've talked to his strongest soldiers

>>40732395
>>40732373

>>40732387
>>40732408
>Lost the argument but cant accept it.

>>40732413
I very obviously won and you're all coping. I answered all of your questions and in the end you devolved into petty personal attacks. You're trying to bait me back into another fake argument where I'll explain exactly how everything works, and you won't care and ignore it because
>>40731993
And
>>40731726
Anything you reply with is cope

>>40732426
Point out the arguments you won. It seemed like everyone took a dunk on you, including other Christians and then left leaving you only with me who is now taunting you because of your gaping anus and getting chuckles off your tears.

>>40732438
What other Christians? You cannot be serious. You are genuinely shameless

>>40732457
You're so braindead it's unreal. Please go and pray.

>>40730831 (OP)
you value short-term winnings for long term and asserted guidance in the afterworld

you're a pussy and you should seek god

anyway finn mertens is the cooler daniel
praise the blue comet

>>40732464
Oh fuck off. The things this place does to people's brains. Anon, I know you are not a Christian.

>>40730850
>>40731277
Agreed very drawn to these ideas

>>40732042
Anyone who doubts that Odin is Lord has no intelligence of which to speak.

>>40733635
Where exactly is Odin Lord? In your room and in the middle of the woods where you larp with your friends.

>>40730831 (OP)
Good logic. Ask demon to become an insect because you may as well be.

>>40731368
>Marbas heals the bird
:<
>Jesus heals the bird
:O

>>40731678
>God is not unjust or evil
" I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
[6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45
???

>>40733939
There is no such thing as bad. God created everything good and evil, 2 sides of the same coin. All acts are sinless, only human societies (wrongly) make moral judgements on actions in this world. Sin is disobeying the direct orders of God and we are no longer under law. Everything is sinless unless you are directly commanded by God and you ignore that command. This is why when God commands genocide and although it is evil, it is devoid of sin. Evil != sin.

>>40733939
Yes evil exists as a result of God creating sapient beings who are capable of choosing it. Shocking I know. But you read this as God supporting like rape and theft and shit because you're retarded

>>40734158
God created rape, murder etc etc. There is no other creator. Stop making God so small.

>>40734180
No. We did. We did when we fell in the garden. Cain invented murder. Other things followed. Do not tell me what my own religion says you obnoxious faggot. You know everything you do about it exclusively through the lense of either trying to debunk it or twist it to your own vision of what reality should be. You have a handful of cherry picked quotes from a holy book you've never read that serve as load bearing structures to your entire worldview. But if you put them into the context of the entire story, suddenly everything you believe falls apart. Which you would know if you actually bothered to research how Christians interpret their own fucking holy text you presumptuous faggot

>>40734218
You are a fool who has been twisted by Satan and brainwashed by his church. You have a very poor understanding of the size of God, his completeness and how fundamental he is to this existence. Start reading Meister Eckhart, Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross. You view God as superman, not God. This makes you an anti-christ because you are directly against his teachings, Christ explicitly states that God is in all and you are in God and you deny this. You do not attribute what is Gods and you remove his creation from him and attribute his creation to humans. God creates all, God is all, there is no seperation from God and his creation. He is in it and it in him. Everything is him, humans just discover more aspects of him. You are uneducated and parrot what your pastor tells you to parrot. You are denying the fundamental truth of the Christian movement and this makes you anti Christian. Fool.

>>40734259
>Believe my heresy!
Eat a cinder block nigger

>>40730831 (OP)
The "God" of the bible is a demon himself and despite what christkike golems say, he requires blood sacrifice if you want to even come close to being acknowledged.

>>40730831 (OP)
What does God get out of it if he helps you. He can summon infinite oranges. He doesn't need your tribute. Demons can't gather oranges by themselves so they need your help to pick them from the tree and give it to them.

>>40734348
>What does God get out of it if he helps you.
Why should I worship him?

>>40734328
Name one of those authors convicted of heresy. All of them are respected teachers, 2 of them are saints. This is their understanding of God. Your response is as pathetic as you understanding of the religion you think you follow (you don't, you follow your denominations twisted and sick offshoot). Again, you are a fool who thinks God is nothing more than a strong man and you won't attribute what is his to him. You are a satan.

>>40734361
He probably hates you and would rather purge you all in a flood again.
https://youtu.be/zvtUrjfnSnA?si=tQZZV13ozQ3AiC9H

>>40734385
He should have just killed Adam and Eve and started over if he hates disobedience so much.

>>40734386
Why would he break his favorite toy?

>>40734392
That's all we are to him, toys
>BUT HE LOVES YOU O ALGO

>>40730896
I prayed for a roof over my head and disability.
I have suffered for almost 5 years barely surviving and constantly mooching from people and I still haven't gotten a penny.
I often have to choose between soap and trashbags and have currently spent the past 2 weeks without toilet paper with my last bit of cheap bodywash soap being the only thing I have left to clean anything.
I have odd skin blemishes appearing all over my body because I can't clean my clothes often enough as well. I also developed pilonidal disease in my early 20s and have had two failed surgeries trying to correct it so I'm always in pain and leaking either blood or puss. I am weak from fighting infections all the time and have recently developed a crippling abdomen pain that no test has deciphered. It comes and goes at random on different days and doctors have nothing to go on.
Ontop of all this my father is dying of cancer and spends most of his time sleeping or aloof from drugs so my only support has pretty much stopped. Even right now I am posting from a public wi-fi because my internet has been shut off since he's so out of it he can't pay the only thing I ask for.

I cannot take this slow painful rot anymore. When winter comes this year, I am wondering into the woods and going to sleep.
If God is real he absolutely hates me. It hurts a lot because I spent way too much of my time defending him. As I deteriorate I am beginning to believe God hates life itself. What kind of being would make a world where even an innocent rabbit is violently mauled to death by predators? Let alone children burning in munitions runs.

It's sick. Nothing I have experienced in this life is compatible with an All-Loving God.
But who am I to complain?
If he's that hateful and malicious then I should be begging for mercy but I've been beaten into indifference. I just don't care anymore. The only hope I have left is that death truly ends this suffering forever.

I wonder if a demon can bring back my foreskin

>>40734376
>Please take my heresy seriously!
>I twisted the words of some prominent Christians to fit into my dualistic Abraxas meme opinion of God!
>I really am a Christian just like you (lie)!
Eat a cinder block nigger

>>40734510
I am sorry that life has been so terrible to you. Surviving would spit in the face of the creator that obviously wants you dead. It's the only power you have left over this fucked up world, keep surviving and keep spitting in the face of that which wants you dead.

>>40734558
Here comes the premium, church going christian grade cope. No one else makes it better.

>>40734510
Tragic. Praying for you.

>>40734558
demon worshipping kike golem christnigger

>>40734582
Yeah church grade because you don't go to Church or believe in any recognizably Christian version of God. Everything I say is church grade, while what you believe is the result of a schizophrenic manchild trying to feel as though he has access to secret special knowledge so his worthless life doesn't feel as empty and pointless as you know it is. Don't you have some pot to smoke you faggot loser

>>40734600
Holy cope

>>40734592
>Gets called out on his dishonesty
>Loses his mind

>>40734613
>Has nothing else to say
Loser. Say cope again

>>40734600
>Appeal to authority
>Cannot has to be told what to think
>Makes up a bunch of head canon to justify his position
lololololololololololoklololololol

>>40734510
That’s terrible to hear, I’m sorry I know what that’s like, but there’s always options. there’s food banks, work programs, the army/navy (seriously, they’ll take fucking anybody just lie well enough to make it past the physical) killing your self in the woods won’t make anything better I can promise you that. If anything you should resolve to keep living if for nothing else out of spite. Hang in there.

>>40734627
>Appeal to authority
>Literally the church
>Makes up a bunch of headcanon
>Is the churches teachings
Where the fuck do you get off just making shit up and then laughing as if I'm missing out on some grand truth you've discovered over the internet in your bedroom at 3 am. You are a retarded narcissist

>>40730831 (OP)
How do I make an offering to a demon for help?

>>40730831 (OP)
because you are a bad guy, happens anon

>>40734643
>the church
Which one?

>>40734158
Doesn't say I create the things that act in evil ways. It says I create evil. The words are right there.

>>40730831 (OP)
God has too few employees and demons have too few customers, obviously.

Can someone kill the demon giving me bad luck and health problems

I'm really getting sick of his shit