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Is he a figment/archetype of the imagination? Is he an Agent of Saturn? Is he a Dream Spy of Sorts? Should he be feared or sought out?

He seems connected to Saturn due to his attire and Hat, he is also present in many pices of media as many characters such as the Hat Joker from Batman 1989; V from V for Vendetta; The Strange Man from Red Dead Redemption; Nick Carraway from the Great Gatsby Movie; Rorschach from The Watchmen; Willy Wonka and the list goes on...

He also appears in music videos like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP0_8J7uxhs

Master Masons also wear a Black Top Hat like him and Catholics have the Black Capello Romano which is also literally called the Saturno Hat...

In Vodun he is known as Baron Samedi which is a personification of Saturn.

What is it with Saturn and the Hat? Do the Hats give power of some sort or protect/connect your Pineal Gland to Planetary Influences?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappello_romano

Is The Hat Man a Spirit? What are Shadow People really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_person

some combination of pareidolia, low light conditions, very specific over-excitation of some fear center in the brain, and the ability of humans to identify a vague phenomenon (literally a line with a small line on top) as shared with others and as something which must be more significant than monkey brains being activated in the same manner as other monkey brains.

I have seen it, this phenomenon. But I took a bit too much DXM and DPH (primarily the issue was the DPH), and I was looking at the door to my dark room, which happened to have a crack of light going all around it and door hinges and a striker plate to interrupt that light in a small dark shape. Not to say that I merely saw something completely normal in my environment and hallucinated that it was something more, but it sure seems the easiest explanation. The fear was the much more interesting aspect of the experience (though less interesting to study, because of the aforementioned drugs): it was like night terror fear but much stronger, a certainty of death; but not the certainty I experience when I get PTSD from consuming psychoactives which cause me to recall my disaster LSD trip. No, that is more of a reasoned delusion, which is really quite rational when the environment around you and all your senses appear to be completely unraveling. With the hat man fear, there is no real reason, just a very sudden extreme fear drawing the attention to a tiny (in my case) shadow figure which attains some sort of divine personhood (but in the grim angel of death sense, not the saviour sense) somehow. And it is so brief. Yes, the vague fear lingers after one convinces themselves that they are fine and all is well, but one continues to wonder if they weren't truly in danger just then. But the more I describe it, the closer it sounds really to a night terror. Not to say such a thing is uninteresting therefore, but that I do not think the hat man is as special or novel as we make him out to be. Night terrors, however...

>>40732499 (OP)
The rim of the hat obviously mimics Saturn's rings, it represents a mind controlled who also controls others.

It is Masonic tradition that when the top hat is donned, the wearer (usually the master of a lodge) begins channeling a spirit and speaking with their authority.

>>40732574
So you are of the opinion that he is purely psychological then?

The human eye can only see a limited wavelength spectrum and during altered states of consciousness the doors of our perception are opened to more aspects of reality, i don't think he might just be a figment of the imagination considering how even the "shamanistic" Vodun cultures know about him in way more remote countries...

>>40732578
So the top hat makes you a medium then?

>>40732682
It doesn't make, it represents one who is already capable.

>>40732709
I see, so a badge of "Shamanistic" authority then.

How are they even capable of it? Do they use any form of traditional Theurgy like Solomonic Magic or do they go the Houngan way with a specific Sigil and Music/Dancing/Chanting? Masonic Ritual does have musical elements...

And as for the Snowman, what is the Esoteric meaning of the Snowman? (If there is any).
I ask because i've seen other Occultists saying to follow the Snowman...

>>40732682
I think the universality of the hat man is FURTHER grounds that he is a psychological/biochemical phenomenon. If it does not take contact with a priming person/culture for one to have the experience, then it must be some experience that could happen to anyone (given the right chemistry) "naturally" (with or without the aid of temporarily biochemistry-altering substances. I think if one were to study the circumstances in which the hat man appears, one could possibly come to then formulate a supernatural explanation, but I think much the more likely one would find that these experiences were predicated on a temporarily altered state of mind. The largest trove of experiences I know of would be the DPH subreddit, where countless experiences are relayed of the hat man. And of course....well, they all took the same mind-altering substance. I do not know the Vodun's experiences, but some sort of deliriant substance may well figure there too. Or, of course, delirium can be caused WITHOUT the need of a psychoactive substance.

I think the problem with a supernatural explanation is that the hat man really seems inconsequential. He's there...and then he's not. The experiencer might be terrified, and might do or experience something which reinforces some attachment of supernatural significance, but still objectively the experience is short and not to my knowledge really attached to any other more significant experience to give it any meaning.

But the quite unique feeling associated, and the universality of the experience, I think does warrant some actual study. I think the hat man could produce quite interesting science. Many other psychological experiences/hallucinations seem to be much vaguer, shifting dramatically in experience person to person; but hat man is always a terrifying death figure that looks the same. Is there something in our experience of reality we can understand better studying him, or even just some biochemical process he might enlighten us with?

>>40732869
If we see him as a Jungian Archetype he could just be a concetration/archetype of all of your fears at once (hence the uniquely potent experience).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes

In Vodun culture Baron Samedi is said to wear his clothes because they are the traditional Haitian funerary clothes, and people may associate a fear of death with such an image.

The Houngans induce delirium through herbs, very loud music and chanting which causes a Dancing Mania, then the tiredness of the dance pushes the brain to it's limits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtKpkm7xYi8
(timestamp 32:34)

He could also be a Resonant Ghost like the one CERN found in it's Synchrotron or some Dark Photon Entity...
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a65299485/physicists-find-ghost-haunting-most-famous-particle-accelerator/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_photon

Either way i do believe we can understand reality better by studying him, if he's Psychological these experiences help in realization and self actualization.

If he's Scientific he could help us understand how other dimensions or even dark matter/dark photons work...

It's quite annoying how there aren't exact answers...

If we see him as a Jungian Archetype he could just be a concetration/archetype of all of your fears at once (hence the uniquely potent experience).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes

In Vodun culture Baron Samedi is said to wear his clothes because they are the traditional Haitian funerary clothes, and people may associate a fear of death with such an image.

The Houngans induce delirium through herbs, very loud music and chanting which causes a Dancing Mania, then the tiredness of the dance pushes the brain to it's limits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCkvOq9NZic

He could also be a Resonant Ghost like the one CERN found in it's Synchrotron or some Dark Photon Entity...
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a65299485/physicists-find-ghost-haunting-most-famous-particle-accelerator/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_photon

Either way i do believe we can understand reality better by studying him, if he's Psychological these experiences help in realization and self actualization.

If he's Scientific he could help us understand how other dimensions or even dark matter/dark photons work...

It's quite annoying how there aren't exact answers...

>>40732839
>Do they use any form of traditional Theurgy like Solomonic Magic or do they go the Houngan way with a specific Sigil and Music/Dancing/Chanting?
Probably both if I had to guess, plus more we aren't exactly privy to. The Snowman likely has many meanings but like Michigan J. Frog it highlights someone who "comes alive" through magical possession.

>>40732578
>It is Masonic tradition that when the top hat is donned, the wearer (usually the master of a lodge) begins channeling a spirit and speaking with their authority.
sooo you're telling us that Frosty is a combination of both the Hat and the Snow, because there's a scene where they make a new body for Frosty but it doesn't have the hat so it's just standing there soullessly, and when they put the hat on he says HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
so is Frosty the Hat who just needs a snow body?

>>40733142
Snowmen are a type of Golem actually...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golemhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

It's also interesting how many Vodun Sigils (Veves) have Masonic Symbolism, picrel is the veve for Ayizan who is responsible for commerce, it's quite literally the Masonic Square and Compass/Sigil of Saturn...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayizan

Now why would this Sigil of Saturn be responsible for commerce? Do they use Saturn to help them in business? They do say Time is Money and Saturn is the God of Time...

>>40733152
>so is Frosty the Hat who just needs a snow body?
It sounds like it's all referring to people who channel Saturn. Like your picrel it probably takes a complex combination of things all coalescing into a new form entirely, something more than the sum of its parts.

Met the hat man on a DPH trip. He just sat at the foot of my bed, didn't look at me. That was the least fucked up part of my trip so it was a bit comforting. I don't think he's outright hostile.

>>40732499 (OP)
It's the Grey man, anon

>>40733142
>>40733152
Snowmen are a type of Golem actually...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golemhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

It's also interesting how many Vodun Sigils (Veves) have Masonic Symbolism, picrel is the veve for Ayizan who is responsible for commerce, it's quite literally the Masonic Square and Compass/Sigil of Saturn...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayizan

Now why would this Sigil of Saturn be responsible for commerce? Do they use Saturn to help them in business? They do say Time is Money and Saturn is the God of Time...Snowmen are a type of Golem actually...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

It's also interesting how many Vodun Sigils (Veves) have Masonic Symbolism, picrel is the veve for Ayizan who is responsible for commerce, it's quite literally the Masonic Square and Compass/Sigil of Saturn...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayizan

Now why would this Sigil of Saturn be responsible for commerce? Do they use Saturn to help them in business? They do say Time is Money and Saturn is the God of Time...

>>40733186
Can Saturn itself be channeled or do they channel it's energy/influence? Is the planet alive to have a spirit that can be channeled? Agrippa did speak of Planetary Intelligences...

>>40733203
He isn't Gray ingame and the dev (Osamu Sato) also wears Black Hat Man attire...

>>40733213
>grammar correction
>messed up a link copy now the post has a repeated section
ffs

>>40733142
>>40733152
Snowmen are a type of Golem actually...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golemhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

It's also interesting how many Vodun Sigils (Veves) have Masonic Symbolism, picrel is the veve for Ayizan who is responsible for commerce, it's quite literally the Masonic Square and Compass/Sigil of Saturn...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayizan

Now why would this Sigil of Saturn be responsible for commerce? Do they use Saturn to help them in business? They do say Time is Money and Saturn is the God of Time...

>>40733186
Can Saturn itself be channeled or do they channel it's energy/influence? Is the planet alive to have a spirit that can be channeled? Agrippa did speak of Planetary Intelligences...

>>40733203
He isn't Gray ingame and the dev (Osamu Sato) also wears Black Hat Man attire...

>>40732499 (OP)
He certainly shouldn't be sought out, since people almost always report tragedy occurring after seeing him.

>>40733239
>Can Saturn itself be channeled or do they channel it's energy/influence? Is the planet alive to have a spirit that can be channeled? Agrippa did speak of Planetary Intelligences...
I think all of them can be. Tracy Twyman wrote and spoke about it being the foundation of elite or pagan magic, to embody the planetary gods for ritual purposes. Literally calling them down into the body.

>>40732574
>>40732869
People like you really need to experience fullblown demonic possession.

>>40732499 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6OcGkBcPPo

>>40732499 (OP)
The hat man is an interdimensional demon hunter.
If you see him you are in grave danger and better hope he succeeds in whatever he is doing.

>>40732499 (OP)
WTF

>>40732499 (OP)
He's one of your old friends, you don't remember? This time around, he thought it would be funny to act all obscure and out of sight so that you wouldn't immediately recognize him, but he's definitely someone you know from a long time ago.

>>40733926
I can't say for sure I experienced that but I experienced much worse so no worries anon I've already suffered more than most humans will ever suffer in their entire lives in a matter of hours, on multiple occasions.

>>40738098
What do you mean by that?
Can you say, he's just somebody that i used to know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVNT4wvIGY

>>40732499 (OP)
>He seems connected to Saturn due to his attire and Hat, he is also present in many pices of media as many characters such as the Hat Joker from Batman 1989; V from V for Vendetta; The Strange Man from Red Dead Redemption; Nick Carraway from the Great Gatsby Movie; Rorschach from The Watchmen; Willy Wonka and the list goes on...

https://youtube.com/shorts/VzCardyabbE?si=HTNcBSTd0cKxK5-T

>>40739954
>Willy Wonka
Bump that's a good one.

https://youtu.be/K3ADPCunYqs
>Mr. Herriman
>Mr. Ahriman

>>40739954
>The Mysterious Stranger
>picrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpaRouocBes

>>40732499 (OP)
LSD Dream Emulator mentioned

>>40740081
Fallout mysterious stranger uses a .44 magnum

>>40732499 (OP)
Project man hat tan ceo

>>40732499 (OP)
He is the angel of death. And like most angels, he has a mirror-mimic quality that is his self-manifesting principle. He takes the form of whom was the most significant person to produce the conditions for a species' death/extinction.

Heisenberg, the man who made the atomic bomb. Simple.

>>40741613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP0_8J7uxhs

>>40741613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-YSYFkRNvg

>>40732499 (OP)
Some say he's Odin but idk if there's anything to that besides the wide brimmed hat.