What are your opinions on this man? Are his teaching worth studying and practicing?

>>40742803 (OP)
Machines don’t have opinions. At least your asking questions about this than the spider man movie. It shows you’re waking up.

>>40742803 (OP)
Yes.
This is far more interesting and worthwhile than 95% of threads.
But it requires effort and for people to actually read his stuff. Very few on /x/ care about such things. It’s mostly shitposting and larping here.

>>40742803 (OP)
Was he a student of Sufi Islam, among other things? I might be thinking of someone else.

>>40742922
He knew a great deal and had tremendous power. His claims about the inner circles and secret schools etc. have some legitimacy since he shared certain "gnostic" knowledge (in quotes to not associate it with the common conception on /x/) that only became known to researchers later.

But if you really wanted to follow his path, it's not just effort, but superhuman effort that left many followers totally exhausted or even dead. Very few if any "made it". And it'd have to be one of these teachers finding you, and the fourth way would probably no longer be called the fourth way or even be associated with Gurdjieff anymore, but have morphed into something else at least outwardly. Imo..

>>40742803 (OP)
It's not uninteresting if you can pass through the mystic aura he created to himself. Seriously, he just mixes ancient well known wisdom and assume a guru position.
You will get much more from Jesus teachings. Specialy because Jesus did not hide the truth by any mean, it is in plain sight, but apply his teachings and "get it" in the sens of integrating it in your spirit, heart and mind is a constant effort, because to get it you have to surrend to God and let him drive you. The trust you put in God and Jesus is faith.

>>40742803 (OP)
I look at GIJ through 2 of his works.

1. Meetings With Remarkable Men. Essentially a self-insert mystic adventure flick. He wrote in part of his overall world-philosophical system, including the ancient brotherhood of knowledge gambit. Spoiler alert, the "deep esoteric secrets of history and the cosmos" are passed down via elaborate dance routines by a mountain cult. That's it. Not a good flick at all. You're better off with Jodorowski's Holy Mountain, another self-insert mystic adventure, but at least with an interesting substrate to the story.

2- Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson. Explains why the pajeet subcontinent is what/how/why and most important who it is. It perfectly encapsulates how the white upper class of antiquity used as their social control myths/legends/religions/etc and what happened to the local people were "liberated" or "set free" when the whites were "overthrown". The truth is, every time white people go into a place, they build it up with locals in elaborate systems of worker/slave/citizen bolstered by a religious narrative. When the whites get fed up, the times get tough, they send out scouts to find new frontiers, leaving the mutts behind to chew each other to bits. That's more or less the story of india and that subcontinent from the old days of Indus valley civilization.

Imagine a sort of "cargo cult" of left behind lower caste idiots who go from respecting the auruch/chow/steer/donkey/draft animal for what it is, and not beat/rape/abuse/eat it, then they can get good things like milk and agriculture. Unfortunately, teaching the stupids that required elaborate lies, that when no longer maintained, or worse, the slaves make their own versions, means that they will eventually start eating cow shit and drinking cow piss with their children, among other things.

Gurjieff was the most racist mystic alive. Captcha.

Great book

>>40742803 (OP)
Gurdijeff was a knower among knowers. He gives the entire game away in this book, but only for those with eyes to see. In true Gurdijeffersonian fashion, no, I will not elaborate.

Let's see he associated with the patrons of this fucker (pic related), proclaimed he went further east to study with the "red hats", and in one book I saw he made a solemn (and bizarre) promise to not somnambulize anyone anymore..

You never often hear critiques beyond the usual banal shit. One that stuck out was someone who flatly called him a black magus.

>>40745925

Sorry wrong image now I cannot find the right one I was referring to a Aga Khan. Forgot which of the family line fuckers it was. I think the sarmoung brotherhood were a family line of antinomian magi.

So Beelzebub's Tales is the one to read first? Also somewhat related which Ouspensky should I read first too?

>>40742803 (OP)
I don't know much about him but I've read he was against daydreaming which is something I'm very fond of.

>>40744289
Well now Beelzebubs tales to his grandson makes perfect sense now. I was wondering why this guy was oscillating between consistent, mild esoteric wisdom to blathering nonsense so frequently.

>>40744289
>>40748137
I forgot to add, thank you very much Anon
You are a gentleman and a scholar.

>>40748141
Some of his other "histories" in Beelzebub are suspicious in terms of historicity, like the Atlantis explanation he gives. They are perfectly accurate, but only allegorically, which is one of the favorite tools of mystics. He wraps the story in spaceships and a benevolent common creator who delegates the repair work of a planet to his, as they appear to us, "demons". The other parts of the book where he continues to explain the history of humans on Earth becomes more accurate to what is generally considered a bigoted, sexist, racist, and whatever other wrongthink is in the spotlight today.

The reality of it is this, sexism/racism/bigotry/etc... are all common in the world outside of the west, especially in history. When his characters describe the animalistic humans in a neutral, if not benign or generous way, it is similar to how the upper class royalty would see the lower class street urchins, with a benign sympathetic amusement.

The gist of his book is one giant Amelia Bedelia situation which has been going on for several thousand years. The difference being is that when Amelia makes a goof, it is wholesome and humorous. When we do it in reality, innocent people suffer and live in misery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Bedelia

To boil it down, GIG wrote the human race to be a pile of imbecilic morons who cannot follow simple instructions from a higher life form, and when left to themselves, pervert and distort the word and command of those higher life forms to gain advantage over others and cause pain, misery, and suffering.

Overall, 10/10 book.

https://www.youtube.com/@Beelzebubstales

>>40748137
Also, about the rambling, seemingly nonsensical style he has. That's a sort of continental philosophy thing, aka European. GIG got caught up in some of the hindumania and pyramidiot fads at the time, similar to Schopenhauer and other philosophers and intellectuals at the time. In those writings, especially the indian subcontinent stuff, they aren't so linear and structured as our stories in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situations

Using those 36 "elements" of every story, and indeed every path in life, GIG was forced by circumstance of time and the Gordian Knot formed by people's life paths getting tangled up with each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot

Something he and other mystics do often is to embrace that oscillation between wisdom and nonsense. When people read Mein Kampf, they complain about Hitler doing the same disconnected, convoluted, schizoid rambling. The truth is, it is a complicated writing style for complicated situations. The world isn't so simple as a 3 act narrative with a protagonist, antagonist, and background characters who all follow easily predictable and mildly tangled up paths.

Anything simpler would be stupid.

For an example of a mystic who takes the wild oscillations too far, watch videos of Charles Manson. It is almost like a tic for esotericists to start to behave like that just before they become senile, as GIG was later on. IIRC, he dictated the book to his daughter because of his physical condition, so expect a little senility in it. He spent a lot of time as a wise senex and Beelzebub's tales, along with the rest of the trilogy, was very accurate to the general feel of esotericism and benign ancient/hidden/secret/esoteric knowledge, but not occult. Big difference.

He’s cool