Thread 40751437

The final redpill is realizing that we neither came from God nor Evolution, but from these space fuckers that tempered with our genetics for millions of years.

It always amazes me that moderns/materialists will attribute all so-called spiritual realities to a "higher being" from "another place in the universe" precisely because their conceptions are bound to the physical realm and "the beyond" can only be "extra-terrestrial" in the most etymologically literal sense possible.


Could it not just as easily be the case that those spiritual realities are exactly as they have always been described, exactly and precisely as realities visible to the senses, and that the UFO phenomenon is but one more in a long series of strange and immaterial phenomena coming from a higher world which is higher not in a physical sense but in a metaphysical one?

Don't be a dupe, this is nothing but a light show meant to bring the masses into declaring exactly what you have just stated:
>there is no God
>there are no angels
>there is no spirit plane or higher realm
>there are only butt-raping, cow-mutilating aliens from another part of the universe and we are their slaves

Could there possibly be a more hideous, hopeless, lifeless, atheistic vision of human reality than this? Does an individual have any hope or power in such a setting?

>accept your overlords
>resign yourself to your wretchedness
>squirm like the human filth you are
>cry if you must
>or worship pleasures, it makes no difference

Isn't that precisely what the religion of the Antichrist would be?

Don't be another dupe now, anon. Don't watch the skies. And don't get on the fucking ships. Hold your head up with pride: you are a semi-angelic being with an immortal soul. And God will save you from all enemies, though you meet with death. If you let Him.

Probably true for nons.

>>40751571
From what I've read ancient people including the earliest Christians thought the heavens were literally in outer space (and hell/hades was literally underground), which is why Jesus literally went up into the sky (heaven) after his resurrection, and it's only as we gradually realized that there didn't seem to be much up there that the meaning furtively shifted to be more abstract.

>>40751645
You refer to the sunrise no? And do you dispute Galileo and invoke Copernicus each time?

Why do you think ancient people were all exceptionally stupid morons who wrote in literal sentences and thought in facts? Are you aware of Vico's history of language in which metaphor evolves into analogy and finally into discursive and descriptive sentences?

Do you realize metaphor is the original mode of language and that Homer did not actually think the dawn had "rosy fingers" ?

Is it possible both Mark and his earliest readers understood the Ascension as something other than a vertical levitation by Jesus into cumulonimbus clouds?

Nothing irritates me more than the idea that the ancients were stupid and childish. It is very much the reverse. We are stupid compared to them. (Why else do you think college educated adults require annotated editions of Shakespeare when he was readily comprehended by common people in 16th century London?)

>>40751672
I don't think they were stupid. I just think they didn't have telescopes, and they liked to think about what might be going on up there as much as any curious person would. And Mark to his credit likely didn't write about an ascension, only an empty tomb. The ascension is part of a longer ending that was added later.
>Why else do you think college educated adults require annotated editions of Shakespeare when he was readily comprehended by common people
Language changes over time and his language was once common English but now it isn't anymore, and his culture was once common culture but now it isn't anymore, so some modern people struggle a bit with it?

>>40751740
All telescopes achieved was the reduction in awe inherent in the act of stargazing. They have done nothing whatsoever to explain the position of man in the universe, because, contrary to the materialists (who literally worship particles) the locus of a human being is not defined by (x,y,z,t) but rather by a name.

And contrary to the nominalism which gradually became a universal idea in the west, each name indeed has an essence which is entirely real. In this way we can see that the Greeks knew far more about Saturn than NASA. When applied to the human soul this very easily explains why I am me and not you, rather than a great deal of mumbling and bumbling over (x1,y1,z1,t1) =/= (x2,y2,z2,t2).

>part of a longer ending that was added later
New Testament historical criticism is nothing more than a collection of scholars offering a collection of hypothesis based on a series of hypothesis regarding a handful of text fragments from antiquity. Pull out one card (like Markian primacy or the existence of Q) and the whole card-tower falls down. Actually they do all tend to share the assumption that the Bible could not possibly be inspired text and that it entered canonical status in a heavily degraded and redacted state, or more broadly that God does not speak to humans and Scripture does not exist except as a human designation. I digress.

>Language changes over time
Yes, in the downward direction, as a rule. That is my point. This is evident from such small samples as American radio song lyrics since the 1960s. For those with some reading ability it is very obvious when considering the writings of the presidents which have disappeared altogether having been replaced by teleprompters and ghost writers.

>>40751437 (OP)
ok, sure, but then, where did they come from?

>>40751645
Interesting excerpts:

From Philo:
""And when the angels of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, they took unto themselves wives of all of them whom they Chose." Those beings, whom other philosophers call demons, Moses usually calls angels; and they are souls hovering in the air. And let no one suppose, that what is here stated is a fable, for it is necessarily true that the universe must be filled with living things in all its parts... It is therefore necessary that the air also should be full of living beings. And these beings are invisible to us, inasmuch as the air itself is not visible to mortal sight... Some souls, therefore, have descended into bodies... And they having descended into the body as into a river, at one time are carried away and swallowed up by the voracity of a most violent whirlpool..."
https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/yonge/book9.html

From Plutarch:
"...so those features are depths and hollows of the moon. The largest of them is called "Hecatê's Recess," where the souls suffer and exact penalties for whatever they have endured or committed after having already become Spirits;and the two long ones are called "the Gates", for through them pass the souls now to the side of the moon that faces heaven and now back to the side that faces earth. The side of the moon towards heaven is named "Elysian plain," the hither side "House of counter-terrestrial Phersephone." Yet not forever do the Spirits tarry upon the moon..."
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/The_Face_in_the_Moon*/D.html

So maybe it was common to think that the heavens were literally in the sky, but we can't see the beings and maybe many of the structures up there because they're invisible, just like souls are invisible to us on earth. So I guess technically a person could still believe that if they really wanted to even in light of modern science.

>>40752223
*So maybe it was common to think that the afterlife was literally in outer space

>>40752223
Oh, I cut off an interesting part from the end of the Plutarch excerpt

"Yet not forever do the Spirits tarry upon the moon; they descend hither to take charge of oracles, they attend and participate in the highest of the mystic rituals, they act as warders against misdeeds and chastisers of them, and they flash forth as saviour a manifest in war and on the sea. For any act that they perform in these matters not fairly but inspired by wrath or for an unjust end or out of envy they are penalized, for they are cast out upon earth again confined in human bodies."

>>40752247
It's so frustrating to read this kind of take. It really is.

Please do not read ancient literature without training in reading ancient literature, and I do not mean from modern scholars. Your best bet for learning to read ancient literature is to study it within a living religious tradition connected to its verbally transmitted source or else to become a voracious reader of poetry.

Only after you gain the ability to read, write and think using metaphors does it become possible to understand ancient texts, and even still only in a profoundly restricted way (for reasons I cannot possibly get into here).

The modern mind untrained will always end up collapsing all meaning into factual descriptions in the same manner it perceives its own reality, as an unfolding of factual physical events bound by the laws of sciences and reconstituted in linear subject-object sentences which are rational linguistic correspondences of them. This manner of perceiving reality and language and their relationship has only been common since the 19th century.

>>40752425
What is the secret metaphorical meaning of: "And let no one suppose, that what is here stated is a fable, for it is necessarily true that the universe must be filled with living things in all its parts... It is therefore necessary that the air also should be full of living beings."

>>40752445
Philo is not ancient he is classical, and the classical commentaters correspond to stages two and three of Vico's schema, or the analogical and rational. He is a philosophical and rational commentator on a revealed scripture whose meanings are extremely obscure and whose construction is certainly metaphorical. That scriptural tradition extends back to at least Genesis 6 of which Enoch is certainly a descendant or cognate.

We could say that Philo has the same relationship to the Bible which Plato had to Homer, or the Upanishads to the Rig Veda.

When I say "do not read ancient literature without training" I do not mean the classical commentaries upon it so much as the primary and original layer of literature which is always and everywhere considered sacred scripture.

I do not mean to go too far afield but it seems like you are taking the analogical/rational stage of Vico's schema and interpreting it into the fourth and final discursive stage, which I would describe as a one-to-one correspondence between language and reality conceived of as as the unfolding of factual events operating within a more or less mechanical physics.

>>40751437 (OP)
that is a picture of aiwass, not an alien thho

>>40752471
Both Philo and Plutarch were alive in the first century at the same time as Jesus, so I don't know you can say they have the same relationship to at least the *completed* Bible as Plato had to Homer, who were centuries apart from each other.

>>40752518
*Well, Plutarch may have been born a bit after Jesus died, but Philo is supposed to have been alive from Jesus' birth to his death.

>>40752445

(cont from>>40752471)

I will just tell you my take on Genesis 6 and Enoch if you like.

There is a plane of existence in between the material/corporeal world and the world of spirits/archetypes. (The latter two planes are both real, in fact the realm of spirits/archetypes is infinitely MORE real than what we typically call reality, noting that reality is restricted in the modern mind to the corporeal/material). The realm in between the spirit and the material has many names but let's call it "the imaginal plane" following some English translations of Ibn Arabi.

The imaginal plane contains both good and evil entities. Some of the evil entities that occupy the imaginal plane are trying to become fully embodied beings within our own material plane. (We are not purely material, we extend through the imaginal and into the spiritual in an exceptional manner, being made of both divine breath and clay)

They are doing this in order to rival or usurp the human role within the cosmos as the specially created creature of God who has the unique responsibility of acting as God's vicegerent within the world.

It is possible that these evil beings from the imaginal plane were once favored by God as humans are now with the task of vicegerency and that they are trying to reclaim it in order to redeem their fall from grace (this is of course doomed to failure as no race or being can outmaneuver God's justice or their created station).

Part of this task (of embodying like humans) involves extremely unseemly things like the biotechnological manipulation of human bodies and the invasion of human persons with electromechanical devices (think Neuralink), and also classic dark arts like demonic possession.

This occurred at least once in a primordial war between certain humans and certain evil beings from the imaginal plane whose memory is recorded in Genesis 6 (which describes an antediluvian reality of giants interbreeding with humans) before the flood reset history.

>>40752518
>>40752528

Dates are not relevant at all in the classifcation of Vico or the distinction between Archaic/Ancient/Classical/Modern which are somewhat clumsily applied to multiple civilizations (following their derivation from descriptions of the Graeco-Roman world).

The ecstatic sayings of a Shaman in early 20th century Siberia are "closer" to the earliest strata of the Bible/Veda than they are to the newspapers of Moscow dating to the same time.

Civilizations move in cycles according to laws which have been known to the Hindus for thousands of years. The ideas and terms I am using in reference to Vico and with use of "ancient" and "classical" are in this sense, and do not reference a universal chronology.

>>40751437 (OP)
>The final redpill is realizing that we neither came from God nor Evolution, but from these space fuckers that tempered with our genetics for millions of years.
>>>
> Anonymous 07/18/25(Fri)22:53:09 No.40751571▶>>40751645
>It always amazes me that moderns/materialists will attribute all so-called spiritual realities to a "higher being" from "another place in the universe" precisely because their conceptions are bound to the physical realm and "the beyond" can only be "extra-terrestrial" in the most etymologically literal sense possible.
>Could it not just as easily be the case that those spiritual realities are exactly as they have always been described, exactly and precisely as realities visible to the senses, and that the UFO phenomenon is but one more in a long series of strange and immaterial phenomena coming from a higher world which is higher not in a physical sense but in a metaphysical one?
>Don't be a dupe, this is nothing but a light show meant to bring the masses into declaring exactly what you have just stated:
>>there is no God
>>there are no angels
>>there is no spirit plane or higher realm

I stopped reading here

>>40752445
Lol. >>40752425 Lit major absolutely BTFO'd by random faggot. Yes, the money you spent on your degree was fucking worthless and no, flexing your "knowledge" on the internet is never going to make you feel better about it (or recoup its cost).

>>40752582
Please keep reading the discussion in this thread. I think I responded to him in a perfectly cogent way which will be edifying if you read with an open mind.

Also I am not a fucking literature major either, I am just some guy on the internet who reads a lot in his spare time. I majored in mathematics.

>>40752604
Do you have any occult/magical/spiritual powers or any experiential knowledge that supports your ideas?

>>40752654
>Do you have any occult/magical/spiritual powers
I have my humble prayers, but I do not know if or how these effect reality, and even if they do it is only because God willed them in the first place, so no, I have no powers whatsoever.

Actually nobody has any powers except for God. And the quest for powers is a dangerous act of rebellion against the limitations of being which constitute our unique role within the cosmos. It is demonic to seek any power whatsoever, especially those of a supra-material nature (for this domain is intentionally beyond the normal grasp of normal human beings thus constituting a limit on humanity in general).

>experiential knowledge
There is no difference between knowledge of the truth gained this way and knowledge gained that way. All knowledge of truth has value precisely to the extent that it is true. I have been given a certain amount of truth, largely from books.

>>40751437 (OP)
Nope, we came from nothingness, and nothingness we shall one day return, until we're finally something once again! God is the primary source of all consciousness, so that's pretty cool. Hell, yeah! Don't forget to get some Sunlight, y'all, it's good for ya! Thanks!

Wrong. We are emergent forms. Eternal spirits.

The "Final Red Pill' is actually very succinct. You are a composite of all of your ancestors and exist to perform the Will of your genetic egregore.

Here's your final redpill, meatbag

>>40753436
Yum, free seafood! I call first dibs!

>>40751571
OP never claimed that the material is all that exists. The ayys are like us, in that they have both a physical and mental aspect. They are psychic as well.

>>40753342
the will of my ancestors is to masturbate to pokemon and eat cookies

>>40751740
Just now I came across a theory that the true original ending to Mark is contained in the "second" ending of John and I'm in love with the idea. It would fit well with Mark's penchant for symmetry and for threes because it would allow Peter to make up for his three denials with three affirmations, it would (although it's a minor thing) provide a third appearance of bread and fish together as a meal, and it would make perfect symmetry with the beginning of Mark where Jesus tells the disciples he will make them fishers of men (hinting at the meaning of the miracle in John 21), and then Jesus' last words to Peter could be the same as his first: "Follow me."
https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/19e1jm9/comment/kjayil3/

The only problem I see with the theory is that it's hard to imagine anyone cutting out such a satisfying conclusion.

>>40751571
>>212700239
> Great is the mystery,
> God was manifest in the flesh
> 1 Timothy 3:16
>
> The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty
> Zephaniah 3:17

My brother in Christ speaks the truth.

Absolute truth is Jesus Christ. It is not a hidden truth, but out in the open. Everything we need to know is in the Bible and most importantly, in a personal relationship in Jesus, everyone can build by asking for the Holy Spirit from God to be given to them. Our hearts and minds are renewed from sin by this. You only need to ask sincerely.

We are not gods, but children of God, made in His image, though marred by sin due to Satan.

But in Jesus, there is our salvation.

Accept Jesus and be saved.

Craziness of our governments is a combination of the madness of man, aka created beings that have deluded themselves into thinking they don't need a relationship with their creator and thus are doomed to die. And Satanic deception that yet permeates the Earth that desires our souls.

You are cosmically important for the same reason that every human being is important.

You are made in the Image of God, and He was willing to let His only son die for you.

This is the Truth, what makes us special. Nothing that we do on our own makes us special, but love of God and a relationship that we have with Him.

Jesus sets us free.

Be Free In Him.

Amen.

True

>>40751437 (OP)
Where did the aliens come from

Bigger space with bigger God?

>>40751437 (OP)
Where did the aliens come from

>>40757293
Older aliens, who came from older aliens, who came from older aliens, who came from older aliens who narrowly survived the destruction of their previous universe, and so on. Highly intelligent aliens are just an abiding feature of existence that goes back forever.

>>40757403
What about the oldest aliens

>>40757478
There aren't any. Just like there's no largest natural number.

>>40751885
I don't care what you think organised religion is a scam and you really cannot prove it isn't.

>>40752717
>Actually nobody has any powers except for God.

factually false. if by powers you mean psychic abilities, it is quite false

>>40751437 (OP)
That is a red pill but is not The redpill.
The redpill is why did they do it.

>>40751437 (OP)
The Earth is flat and stationary with a dome.
Creators exists.

Aliens don't exist.
Space isn't real.
Gravity doesn't exist.
Never went to the moon.
Solar Flares are a meme.
Asteroids don't exist.
UFOs are a psyop.
Nukes don't exist.
Evolution is a lie.
Germ Theory is a lie.

The world is ruled by secret societies that worship the Demiurge. Jews/Jesuits/Freemasons/Illuminati are Gnostics and Kabbalists. Masters at deception. One satanic philosophy is inverting reality.

They make you think you live on a spinning ball.
They make you think you're just an animal.
They make you think there's a deadly virus out there.
They make you think there are gay space niggers from outer space out there.
They make you think there are giant rocks hurtling through the vacuum heading towards our ball earth.
They make you think the sun is about to fart and eject some fake corona.
They make you think the poles are about to take a massive shit.

>>40759087
You're an animal-monkey-ape

>>40757573
Correct, I cannot "prove" anything about organized religion I would like to say in a manner which your pigeon-holed mind will find acceptable, but then again this is the whole reason for the fantastic game which has been unfolding since the end of the Middle Ages.

I know why the Reformation and the official discovery of the Americas happened a mere 25 years apart. I suppose you think this was a coincidence?

Your Official Histories are all false. Turn your critical eye on what you have been told took place between 1500 and the present, rather than turning it solely upon the first century AD. Then you may begin to see it clearly. Not likely though. Few minds are sufficiently equipped to withstand the popular pressures
reinforced since schoolboy days.

Plug your ears and sing la la la and go back to sleep now. Shhhh. Maybe it won't be so bad.

>>40759090
Darwinian Evolution is nothing but an isomorphic translation of the vertical axis onto the horizontal. Put another way it is the taxonomical organization of lifeforms known since antiquity and culminating in Linnaeus mapped onto a timeline in which the archetypal relations are swapped for causal material ones, all on the outrageous assumption that mere accidents (mutations) drive the entire machine which shifts worms (cordata) into human beings who can recite Shakespeare and read Darwin. How absurd, get ahold of yourself.

>>40751437 (OP)
Grey aliens are humans from the far future.

>>40759383
There is indeed a relationship between human trajectory and the beings called greys (who are jinn or demons and certainly not extraterrestrial aliens). This is because man has been under the influence of an ascendent evil since the fall of the medieval order, coinciding with the rise of modernism, and including in its latest devolutions the collapse of gender norms and the degredation of the human form.

While one can accurately say man is becoming like the "grey alien" as time moves along, this hardly leads to the conclusion that grey aliens are future man himself. Mostly because we have no reason to conclude that time allows for such traversals, or else we would just as well assume the latest futuristic looking cars come from the future when they clearly come from the present and past.

Think. Use your mind. This is not a cereal box puzzle or a creativity test. Try harder and stop trying to be novel.

>>40752717
>no one has powers except for God
>except for ya know all the prophets that were given powers

>>40751437 (OP)
You are correct. They are behind everything. They are the reason 12 men control the world.

Those men are called the Majestic 12. They are going to start World War 3 this year.

>>40759608
more information on what is going to happen this year.

>>40759585
None can thwart God, all powers are granted by Him for His own purposes.

>>40759608
>>40759614

This is complete nonsense anon, get ahold of yourself and get off the internet for a little while.

wtf

>>40759678
No

>>40759678

I wish it was all fake but the news is confirming everything.

>>40751437 (OP)
>>40751571
>B B B BUT AAAALIENS CREATED US!!!!

Who created them?

Don’t know?

I do.

>>40751437 (OP)
>>40751571
>>40752024
"There are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on earth. If one in a million stars had planets, and one in a million of those had life, and one in a million of those had intelligent life, there would be a million intelligent life forms in the universe. I don't have any of their knowledge. For every fact I know, there are ten trillion facts that I do not know. In all that I do not know about the universe, is there room for a deity?"

>>40751437 (OP)
There are higher and lower dimensional beings that literally fuck grays for a 1000 years straight. Trust me, even if we are a tampered science experiment jizz rag of a species, we still come from a fundamental creation force. The same that stars come from.

>>40751437 (OP)
Fuck off, Rael.
>>40751740
You don't need telescopes do astronomy. The Maya were very well versed in that, for example.

>>40751437 (OP)

funny picture. i really could use a head massage like that. where do i get those?

>>40751437 (OP)
I think there may genuinely be something to the idea that Aliens are demons are one in the same.
Though not necessarily that one of them is the 'real thing' and the other is a lie/misinterpretation.

>>40751437 (OP)
>See
>Eye
>Ayy

It all makes sense now

>>40765812

they are among the best

i can tell you they are pretty good and sometimes appear little daunting

but this might just be personalities, idk

>>40751437 (OP)
Where did they come from?

/x/ is this retarded>>40751571
honestly, that was a more retarded read than “exiting the matrix” on the not so hidden wiki.

>>40765872

first /pol/ and now /x/ is compromised by a loose knit of:

- dataminers generating template threads using AI
(like, daily)

- bot training, bot replies. some of the 'unwanted' threads are filled with bot activity that just curse and say retarded shit to be as obnoxious as possible ; it makes people leave

- various LARPs, a mix between discordian stuff, older memetic mind virus shit and hijacked memes (they pretend these are golums or tulpas, lmao)

- actual UFO curious people and actual 14 year old girls who think they are witches after reading Harry Potter

- disgruntled, abused , psyopped white males (usually 50+) who had bad luck in life , or some government encounter that ruined shit for them , who turned bitter and find solace in Aetherical woo or UFO talk

- Fedz, counter feds, state actors (our side) and enemy states obviously , because this is a public place. possible non state actors too (the amount of antisemitic stuff reeks organized )

- potential right wing extremists

- crazy people

- lonely people who think pepe fags are their 'frens'

and every god damn analist working for ICCT , who try to make sense of it all

https://icct.nl/sites/default/files/import/publication/Right-Wing-Extremists-Persistent-Online-Presence.pdf

oh, yeah. maybe bored people like me who know it's alll bullshit and ignores what everone says

i basically just glance at this site sometimes to monitor trends of the ugly accelerationist movement , some of which i suspect are being manipulated by unspecified groups relying on government funding . spy on the frontsite, provoke on the backside , you know the types of devil

>>40759379
>Linnaeus
Lol
>which shifts worms (cordata)
>worms
>cordata
Please learn what you’re talking about before you decide to speak.

>>40751571
This guy gets it. All the testimony suggests they are interdimensional, not extraterrestrial. Don't get on the ships, don't give them the time of day; use the name of Jesus and be set free of them.

>>40751672
Right, the Transfiguration is part of the true Faith, but they think Jesus is chilling up there in the Stratosphere. It's always about the higher dimensions.

>>40765950
Wow, interesting analysis, anon, I think you're hitting the nail right on the head. It's time for me to follow the big cheese, so to speak, so I can find out what's really going on around these parts... Anyways, friendly reminder to Praise the Sunlight safely everyday, it's good for your general health. Thanks and Godspeed

>>40751437 (OP)
Ok, where did "space fuckers" come from then?

>>40766094
>All the testimony suggests they are interdimensional, not extraterrestrial.
Most of the ones I've heard suggest 3-dimentional beings that possess paranormal or psychic abilities. There's also evidence that they live underwater, such as the Lake Baikal encounter, and the fact that UFOs usually appear by the sea.

>>40765995
I spell from memory and do not use a spell checker. This kind of superficial henpecking is the kind of argument I would expect from a woman or a very stupid man who has been taught to repeat things.

>>40766094
The name of Jesus doesn't actually work and instead, these entities convince abductees and people to fall for religious, spiritual and evangelical traps in an effort to further distract, sway or control the populace.
t. experiencer

funny how every spiritual theory trying to deny christ offers some entity that randomly popped up and acts just like demons would. where did the greys come from? what made them? why do they kidnap humans? answer is only found in the bible. nothing spiritual makes sense without the bible only it connects everything together and explains them

>>40766249
this makes much more sense.

>>40766344
They don't act just like demons would. They act like persons would. Some are benevolent, some are malevolent, others seem purely curious.

>>40751437 (OP)
Not even close to the "final" redpill. It's also more bizarre than you are imagining. They didn't just so happen to be bipedal humanoids who stumbled upon a planet full of similar creatures. They are from here just like we are. They live in hiding since the last cataclysm.

>>40751437 (OP)
No. The final redpill is the acceptance of the fact that we live in a simulation

>>40751437 (OP)
Alright, where'd the aliens come from then douchebag?

>>40759364
I don't quite understand your take on the invisible world but I believe it, even scripture says God is invisible. Unless that too is metaphorical and it instead means to say that God is hidden, for now.

I'm severely intrigued by your beliefs. Where can I learn more about the connection between the Reformation and the true reasoning behind the America's founding?