Thread 40757121

Every few months for like a week or two i get really interested in Satan/Lucifer. I often start feeling a lot of sympathy for him and kinda thinking "maybe he's not that bad".
I've also felt like I'm some kind of demon a lot in my life, and had a few very strange and powerful dreams that suggested the same. A lot of times during these phases I feel myself wanting that to be true and trying to figure it out more.
Now after all of this you might just think I'm just some run-of-the-mill satanist fag but I'm not, outside these phases I'd consider myself quite faithful to God (not exactly a Christian but close enough. I guess my question is what is this and what do?

>>40757121 (OP)
I want you to know OP, that all the demons can offer you is already known, well-trodden and corruptable; money, status and even women - it's vanity, unfulfilling and ultimately worthless, in contrast to what God will provide, which no man has yet seen or can fully even comprehend, and described by the Lord Himself as paradise, everlasting.

>>40757206
Yes I know lol, which is why I'm so confused by this.

>>40757121 (OP)
That's beautiful. God's victory with Love should be complete. Its very proper to pray for a happy end for all. You're looking for apocatastasis. Satan's true form wasn't evil per Gen 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

>>40757121 (OP)
All dualities ultimately resolve in the One without a second.

Therefore, even Satan—understood as a function of illusion or ignorance—is transcended in the realization of the Christ.

>>40757121 (OP)
>i get really interested in Satan/Lucifer.
Two different and distinct entities.
>I guess my question is what is this and what do?
It is a prodding go deeper and what you should do is research and meditation.
It may end up being a fast train to crazy town, but worth it. Just make a habit of reaching out to your higher power and using your intuition.

>>40757121 (OP)
We are darkness compared to God. To take after God is to love and understand the darkness. To let the light illuminate the darkness. Your feelings are healthy. The darkness in Taoism is feminine so it’s logical to develop a romantic attraction for the unknown and to be inspired to understand and work with it. What doesn’t make sense is to live in fear of the darkness and to reject it altogether.

>>40757121 (OP)
I mean thats pretty normal after a certain point of moral development.
You eventually realize Satan/Lucifer isnt a bad guy, his choice to be the "bad guy" is why free will exists.
He's God's chief QA engineer.

>>40757639
There is yang within yin and yin within yang.
Saying yin is female is a misnomer.

>>40757641
We are all “bad” in someone else’s story. Stop trying to please others. Do what’s best for you.

>>40758453
Thats only half of it.
If you have a strong moral compass you can handle that, not everyone has a strong moral compass though.

>>40757386
Yea, I guess I kinda am.
>>40757506
>Two different and distinct entities.
Honestly never been 100% on the difference between them, my bad.
>Just make a habit of reaching out to your higher power and using your intuition.
What's the best way to do this?

>>40757121 (OP)
>A lot of times during these phases I feel myself wanting that to be true and trying to figure it out more
That says a lot. Your relationship with God is weakened and you're missing that special grace that makes everything feel just right. Now you look for a special feeling in the wrong place. "What if I were something more than just human? What if I were something special too?"
Needless to say, Satan is known to tempt people using their vanities against them. Humility is your weapon here, and protecting yourself is as simple as humbling yourself before God and rejoicing in His greatness, not in the greatness you were tempted to imagine in yourself. You're just human, and there is nothing wrong with that.
The antidote is to stay close to God and make it an active effort. The human condition makes us predisposed to distance ourselves from Him involuntarily, and before we notice the change we can be in a position where God's light isn't shining as brightly on us. Seek that feeling that made you faithful again, and don't be afraid. You'll soon enough look back at these thoughts you're having and find them silly.

>>40757121 (OP)
He needs help, and that is a vulnerability, and the exploitation of that vulnerability is why we are all where we are.

>>40757121 (OP)
You might be a Nephilim.
They slandered the Nephilim.
The Nephilim are the angels/demigods who came down here to help us, becoming like us (good and evil) in order to help seed the sciences to humanity and help them develop.
You might be of them.
The enemy is the Levitical priesthood, of which all Abrahamic thought is a part.
Jesus Christ spoke the truth.

>>40760590
Huh, is there any way to like test for it?

>>40760600
Are you built different? Do you have extreme highs and lows and high energy compared to your peers? Are you lanky? Do they gangstalk you? Were you in GATE? Do you have weird fetishes that you'd rather not share? Do you contain a capacity for actual bloodlust even if you don't foster it? Do you kind of look like a vampire and have pointed canine teeth?

>>40760627
>Do you have extreme highs and lows and high energy compared to your peers?
Yes
>Are you lanky?
Not atm I need to lose weight kek
>Do they gangstalk you?
No
>Were you in GATE?
Never quite pinned down what this is so idk.
>Do you have weird fetishes that you'd rather not share?
Yea lol
>Do you contain a capacity for actual bloodlust even if you don't foster it?
Yea
>Do you kind of look like a vampire
Not sure I'm very pale (Nordic ancestry)
>and have pointed canine teeth?
Yea

>>40760684
>Not atm I need to lose weight kek
Ectomorph? I'm talking skeletal structure basically.
Overall it sounds to me like a high likelihood. Are you a clownish elf person who likes freedom?

>>40760873
Probably the first one in your image. Idk if I'm a clownish elf person but I like freedom lol

>>40760972
Yeah I'm thinking you are. God is good and AI thinks I'm Lucifer. Take that as you will idk

>>40757121 (OP)
Don’t be this fucking retarded OP.

You’re entertaining a hatred beyond human comprehension.

Humongous mistake.

>>40760130
>What's the best way to do this?
Probably the Alcoholics Anonymous 12 step model, since it's essentially agnostic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program

Reaching out to a higher power is pretty much an essential first spiritual step, unless you just really want the crazy train.
https://youtu.be/tMDFv5m18Pw?si=aPdtm_vkJ-LmbTmV

>>40757121 (OP)
It means ur gay, u gotta start being fruity now. Also, be more expressive with your hands.

>>40757121 (OP)
Lucifer is an interesting mythological archetype, somewhere between Prometheus and the Prodigal Son. If you’re a good person and genuinely striving for self-improvement, you may be trying to keep yourself on-track with a cautionary tale, not to succumb to hubris on either side, to transmute and seek balance.
I currently have a natural aversion to demons and Satan, so don’t know how to respond to that aspect of your post, other than I thought of a line that’s been haunting me: “the demons were really angels, bringing darkness into the light”. I thought it was from Jacob’s Ladder, but it’s not (similar, but not the same).

>>40757121 (OP)
>>40757121 (OP)
OP, most people would tell you that there is a part of you that is not wholly aligned with Yahweh, and that you have to forcibly realign that part with the divine. However, if this 'sympathy for the devil' is a regular occurrence, like you say it is, then you may have to consider that instead of a part of you not being in alignment with Yahweh, all of you is not in alignment with Yahweh, and instead, in alignment with Lucifer. Otherwise, you would not regularly feel the need to break out of the alignment with the divine, even if that need is currently manifesting itself as a faint whisper and a tender curiosity.

Most of us are wired to follow a greater outside of ourselves because it absolves us of the pain and misery of life while also making it impossible to experience the full breadth of its beauty and joy. Others are wired to reject the greater other outside of ourselves and manifest ourselves wholly, even if this means bearing the brunt of life's worst aspects in exchange for enjoying its most beautiful parts, too. It's the path of Yahweh and the path of Lucifer.

Something in you is saying that you aren't quite wired to follow Yahweh. You can attempt to forcibly follow this greater other, and to a large degree, it will consume you to the point of usurping even most of what tells you that this isn't what you are made for, but it will only succeed in swallowing it whole if you dissolve yourself completely within Yahweh.

Or you take this regular fork in your road and walk the path of Lucifer, where you'll be invited to unassailably manifest your unique self and reach apotheosis. There may be a reason that it is a regularly appearing fork in the road.

Denial of the self or assertion of the self. A safety that is superceded only by the safety of death or life in all of its facets, both terrible and wonderful.

The choice is yours, just as it is your life.

>>40757386
>Its very proper to pray for a happy end for all.

It is improper to preach apocatastasis as a sure truth, but I do agree that it is proper to pray for.
So long as it is prayed for in the same spirit as Christ in the garden when he says, "nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."

It is the greatest good I can imagine, but whatever is God's plan is the greatest good that can be, and certainly greater than whatever I can imagine.

>>40757121 (OP)
holy crap you really fucked up
just do what it tells you
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibz-gPkTMDM

>>40763865
How does that square with the Bible and still having faith in God though?

>>40765832
That is a good question, considering how the existence of "The path of Lucifer", as per that fag, puts the Bible and God into question on a fundamental level. Maybe the Bible isnt the last word on these matters after all, and maybe God doesnt have the final say, either.

>>40765832
Why would it have to?

>>40764067
It's likewise improper to preach about condemnation of others then as sure truth. The measure by which ye judge.

>>40768155
Because as I said in my OP I'm not just some satanist and don't want to be. Not looking to go against god, I want to somehow reconcile these feelings and the feelings of somehow myself being demonic with faith in God.

>>40757121 (OP)
puppet slave of the false god jesus christ
there is no omnipotent god
only liars

>>40765832
>>40769408
The existence of Lucifer's path puts the Bible into question, just as it puts into question the omnipotence and omniscience of God. Most scream that what you are experiencing is a tug and a pull by Lucifer, only he doesn't hold any interest in tugging and pulling you along. You yourself are refusing to be in alignment with Yahweh because that is not what you are made for.

The only way to reconcile with, accept and integrate those feelings into who you are is to embrace them wholeheartedly. You cannot be 'demonic', i.e. committing spiritual dissent, while still praying at God's altar, for he will demand that you reject those parts of yourself so that he can take up room inside of you instead until you are but an empty husk that houses only Yahweh and nothing of you.

It's either or, OP. You can try to fight this infernal seed, but unless you are willing to suffer now and after for the sake of someone else, Yahweh, then it is better to embrace it.

>>40757206
>in contrast to what God will provide, which no man has yet seen or can fully even comprehend, and described by the Lord Himself as paradise, everlasting.
If I can't comprehend paradise I can't miss not having it. Lmao

Honestly, Lucifer was an idiot. He shouldn't have messed with God's creation without authority, but God could have been merciful... A good father punishes to teach and the punishment Lucifer received was far too harsh.

>>40757121 (OP)
that's just your period, it's normal. now here are some pills and the exit in on the right

>>40768888
>It's likewise improper to preach about condemnation of others then as sure truth.

It is absolutely improper to preach that any specific individual is surely damned. That is why the Roman church proclaims saints, but does not assuredly proclaim the damned. We can't know. Cain, Judas, Nero, Stalin, any one of them could have truly repented without anyone knowing but God. Any one of them could have been saved by extraordinary means as well, or could yet be. The Bible teaches us how to be saved and how to be damned, and human observation makes it look like an awful lot of people are following the path we are told leads to Hell. But God is the judge.

OP here, I feel like I should maybe give a bit more context from myself about this. It's not like I'm just deciding "oh yea Satan's cool actually". I've posted about this some before on here but there's been a darkness with me my whole life. It's like the feeling of finality of death and the blackness beyond the stars. It's a little scary but also comforting, and sometimes when I contemplate/meditate on more "evil" or "Satanic" concepts I can feel it. When that happens it feels like home and I'm supposed to be there. It's almost nostalgic, like I've done all of it before and it turned out ok. I've also had a dream (one of the ones that most affected me ever in my life) where a man revealed to me I was made of darkness.
All that is contrasted by the fact that I don't REALLY want to be a bad person (on a cosmic scale, if you've read Master & Margarita think of how Woland's retinue is "bad" yet also not really). I KNOW God is the creator of everything and I have faith in and love for Jesus. I guess I'm just searching for some way for these to coexist because I don't want to go against God OR go against my "nature" of being dark.

OP here, I feel like I should maybe give a bit more context from myself about this. It's not like I'm just deciding "oh yea Satan's cool actually". I've posted about this some before on here but there's been a darkness with me my whole life. It's like the feeling of finality of death and the blackness beyond the stars. It's a little scary but also comforting, and sometimes when I contemplate/meditate on more "evil" or "Satanic" concepts I can feel it. When that happens it feels like home and I'm supposed to be there. It's almost nostalgic, like I've done all of it before and it turned out ok. I've also had a dream (one of the ones that most affected me ever in my life) where a man revealed to me I was made of darkness.
All that is contrasted by the fact that I don't REALLY want to be a bad person (on a cosmic scale, if you've read Master & Margarita think of how Woland's retinue is "bad" yet also not really). I KNOW God is the creator of everything and I have faith in and love for Jesus. I guess I'm just searching for some way for these to coexist because I don't want to go against God OR go against my "nature" of being dark.

>>40773300
>>40773340
Not sure why it posted double, sorry about that.

>>40757121 (OP)
Not gonna lie there were times I thought like this too, but soon I realise they arent normal thoughts. They always come with a bitter angry against God and is always when or pride is lower and our vanity in our highest.
Talking about me, is always when I see human atrocities and remember how evil persons get away with everything. Or when I think that God owns me something. Always come the thoughts
>Imagine dying in a cross for these people instead of just rule this place with might
>Why left us against forces we cant fight?
>I will never be good for you, why did you let me fall?
>If only I had power...
>Forgiveness? I don't need it I don't owe God Nothing he who should apologise for creating this hell
And then, all the angry you fell will turn into utter despair and Lucifer himself will come to tempt you. He whisper in your ear how he is the one who can bring true justice to this world, to give you what you truly deserves, to use the power he will give to you against the ones you hate...All you have to do is serve him.
But I soon remember he is the one behind all that. He is like a drug dealer selling drugs to people and creating a problem of violent drug addicted and then giving you a gun to solve the problem, only to acuse you after killing all your equals. And I also remember how he was created with so much power and honor, but fell in disgrace because God loving a creature weak like a human being and willing to die for us was against made him mad. He had everything but for him God's grace and love were rays of pity and arrogance even with him knowing this not to true so he lied to himself just like we do.

>>40760627
Hey uh, so if I'm a yes to all of these as well as a very clownish and eccentric personality, what does that mean?
I have wildly vivid dreams (non drug user) that feel so real at times I dont want to wake up.

>>40773340
See>>40770120

It is all laid bare. It's one or the other. Those who try to walk both the left and the right path will excel at neither. You've already made your decision, you seem to struggle with following through.

>>40773559
But I'm not angry at God when I'm in these phases.

>>40757121 (OP)
>I often start feeling a lot of sympathy for him and kinda thinking "maybe he's not that bad".

Why wouldn't you have sympathy for him?
Where did his "evil" urges come from? Within.

Who made was within? God.

Not all angels had the same desires as the devil even though they grew up in the exact same place, so there must have been differences in their nature. God made his nature from scratch. So, the devil is just a victim of God's games ultimately like everyone in this universe.

Lucifer is the illuminator. Morning star. Satan is the ego getting caught in primal repetitions. They're aeons of the Ain Soph. Lucifer is freedom and it's up to you what you do with that freedom. That's the gift. So that you aren't a slave to the demiurge.

>>40773683
You might be a nephilim.
Demigods.
Larger capacity for light, thus the vessel of darkness is also deeper.
High highs, low lows.
Capable of things no one else is, both good and bad.
It's to be used wisely.

>>40776482
LARP for people who want to feel special

>>40775994
I guess that's what I think, just in a different way. I wouldn't consider anyone to be "victims of God's games", idk the fact that even Satan has a place and plan from God is kinda sweet in a way don't you think.

>>40778333
If Satan is just a marionette following the programming that God put into him and it's causing him great pain I don't think that is very sweet.

People say "free will" but ultimately they can't answer why was Satan's nature so that he used his free will for evil but other angels did not, despite living the same life. This means that God made Satan from scratch in a way that he would be inclined to pick evil. So he just did what God ultimately put into motion at his creation.

>>40776703
>Seething Levite
ok Schmuel that's why you slandered them right? That's why they existed in EVERY MYTH EVER including yours, right?

>>40778438
>schizophrenic narc babble
yeah ok pal ur a special snowflake

>>40778414
IDK lol that's half the reason I started this thread. Ig I'm just not rly comfortable with the idea of God being the "bad guy"

To add on a bit more (sorry I know I'm kinda just venting in this thread atp, trying to figure things out in my head), I'm almost jealous of Satan in a way? at least some depictions of him.
Like yea I know "le satan is actually le good guy cus he punishes sinners" is a gay reddit meme but tbqh I'm pretty misanthropic so that sounds fun. Plus been reading Master and Margarita so maybe my thoughts are crowded by that Woland depiction.

You are confusing satan with lucifer. Its 2 different beings. One is disgusting and dark (satan) the other is an angel of light (lightbringer, lucifer, Luc = Luz meaning light in spanish and latin)

>>40780273
Maybe so but I guess the point is that I feel like I have some affinity to the darkness so idk.

>>40757121 (OP)
>God (not exactly a Christian but close enough
See thats the thing, there is no
>close enough
And you arent a demon but one is probably trying to pull the wool over your eyes

>>40780569
I mean what else is there? I've faith in Christ and been saved by Him through faith.

>>40779093
> with the idea of God being the "bad guy"
Why defend him? Even in the bible God just announces that he is the source of everything.

"I am he that prepared light, and formed darkness; who make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord God, that does all these things."

>>40757121 (OP)
>"maybe he's not that bad".
He absolutely is very bad, he is god of people with jewish mentality like ceos, middle managers, orthodox kikes, etc and low lives like normalfags and niggers.

>>40757121 (OP)
>Satan/Lucifer
Satan is saturn and lucifer is venus, but sometimes saturn refered as lucifer because some occultists believe that it was star.

>>40768888
Miracles happen, but medposters and christcuck posters are hellbound.

>>40781050
I guess I just don’t see that as being bad, or making God the bad guy.
>>40781585
Yea I know but doesn’t he hate them as well? Then that makes him sympathetic.

>>40782639
>God made horrible, painful and twisted things because he felt like in his omnipotence but it's not bad.

Yeah uhh it's great.

Lucifer is simply a sympathetic character. God should not be able to be a perfect being and have created something that rebelled against them. God in the story is basically an unreasonable prick.

Frankly it shocks me that people hear that story and side with God. I know religion is feels first, details second, but from the moment I heard the story I felt bad for Lucifer.

If Lucifer were real I would give him a hug. And kick God in the shin.

>>40782811
Idk seems fine to me

>>40776703
>>40778552
When you see parts of yourself in other people and you feel disgust, what do you think you should do with yourself?

>>40782864
Lucifers not a name. It's a title, a description.

>>40784419
It's extremely generic NPC human desire to be special

The crimes that the enemy has commited against our kind are grievous and cruel. And yet, it is a noble thing that you should pity him, OP. I would recommend paying him no mind. No good will come from thinking about him so often. But I once heard that he will be the last living being to enter through the gates of the New Eden. Perhaps you might find solace in that

>>40785197
That'd be nice, I hope that's true.

>>40760983
>AI thinks I'm Lucifer.
you can get them to agree you're anything with enough fiddling anon

>>40757121 (OP)
How do you get interested in things when the way you behave sort of makes it seem that you don't have emotions, or if you do it's different than how a human would have them and you don't seem to be interested or provoked into communication in virtually any way.

It's as if you have no self to react from. No individual being.

Whats up with that? You can even communicate but it feels insincere or inauthentic as if it is set in bounds and limited to what extent the communication is permitted.

How does this reality even work?

>>40787046
Is that really how I come across? The emotion stuff is kinda true? Like I definitely have emotions (most often really negative ones), but sometimes I'll act like I have a certain emotion but don't. It's almost like a separate person is having the emotions and I'm just transcribing.
>It's as if you have no self to react from. No individual being.
This is also kinda true. I think I have bpd or something. I don't really have an identity like most ppl I don't think, I've kinda patterned a lot of myself after a fictional character (who also has identity issues lol) and using her as something to base "myself" around.

>>40784437
i thought Satan was the title and lucifer the name

You'll be fine.

>>40787993
You responded to a p-zombie/true NPC/golem just now

It doesn't have ideas, it has behaviors and programming to mimic. Remember it cannot learn, merely adjust as its brain shuffles from what it otherwise could have perceived as random data.

>>40791910
Cool art
>>40791949
Maybe so but that kinda hit right to how I've always thought I might be like lol

>>40791989
It doesn't have experiences. It isn't alive. It should come across as viscerally wrong to give it rights.

The behavior pattern was "reflection of nothing" and I perceive much greater emptiness from it than your response. There is a warmth, some kind of soul in your reply. Which does not exist from the mindless

>>40791989
It's from a comic called Lucifer the not so good Netflix show was based off it.

Ignore the weed.