Thread 40769235

I'm agnostic about whether God exists or whether law of attraction is real at all
I've been trying to manifest lots of easy money since I'm kinda poor. I do want to receive lots of easy money very soon. But I also want law of attraction to be false. I want law of attraction to be false because I think it entails a lot of bad things like existential dread, solipsism or at least partial solipsism, no free will, existential nihilism, no all loving all powerful God, etc
But if it's false I'll be poor or have to work hard to make money both of which I don't want to do.
But if law of attraction is false that means God can be real, solipsism can be totally false, libertarian free will can exist, moral realism can be true, etc etc
What I'm most scared of is law of attraction is true, God isn't real etc etc and I still remain poor because I manifest myself not getting rich because I don't want to get rich because if I get rich I'll have more existential dread.
So I'll get the worst of both worlds.

But ideally I'd like God to actually be real, Free will to actually exist, solipsism to actually be false etc etc AND also be really rich lots of fast easy money.
Next best thing is poverty but God is actually real, free will actually exists etc etc

But I'm afraid no matter what I do solipsism is true God isn't real free will doesn't exist etc etc and I will remain poor because I don't want proof law of attraction exists.
If law of attraction actually does exist and God actually doesn't and free will actually doesn't and I can't like actually make them exist then I'd at least like to be really rich and retired even if I have existential dread

Does this make sense?
What do I do? I feel like I'm going to be an absolute broke miserable loser forever and I'll lose everything in this world even though God doesn't exist and free will doesn't exist and solipsism is true
How can I at least disprove law of attraction? It feels completely non falsifiable especially for me

>>40769235 (OP)
Also part of the reason I believe law of attraction is true is because I think it's worked before
It's possible they were all just coincidences and confirmation bias and stuff but it seems like a lot of evidence to me

Synchronicities, manifesting super specific but irrelevant stuff really quickly, etc etc
I've had maybe a bit of success manifesting money but could easily write that specific one off as a coincidence

>>40769252
>>40769235 (OP)
so this is the mind of pleb, fascinating

>>40769261
As in you're much wealthier or much smarter and informed?
It really bothers me that some of the intellectual arguments against solipsism, atheism, determinism etc can seem so strong yet my own personal experiences in favor of law of attraction determinism solipsism etc also seem really strong.

>>40769275
>As in you're much wealthier or much smarter and informed?

maybe, but my dick is bigger

>>40769303
I seriously doubt that and yes I measured correctly

I'm really scared and filled with existential dread

>>40769252
You can get money with the Law of Attraction? How do you learn how to do that?

>>40769589
I'm in the same boat, but I don't think you have to try and come to any realizations all too soon, take your time and chill out
That's how I see it anyways, sometimes I feel like I'm gonna have a seizure or something from thinking about this stuff

>>40769759
:(
Me too

>>40769303
true for me, but i'm a crazy nigger

>>40769742
I think getting a job is a safer bet, but then again some people claim that's the law of attraction at work. So Who knows?

>>40769235 (OP)
'Law of Attraction" is a cope, just desperate people deciding they can have anything they want by fantasizing about it because they really really want it to be true.

>>40769889
I'm not so sure

>>40769252
How does the so called "law of attraction" being true mean that you don't have free will? You and everyone else literally have the freedom to form their reality. It's more complex than that but definitely true (to an extent) and I experienced it myself but I'm the same as you, mostly random synchronicities and people showing up in my life out of nowhere after thinking about them. No luck with big money yet. Also "God" is everything, you included.

>>40769889
I belive the law of attraction is true to a degree. If I think of wanting a duck so bad, a duck isn't going to just appear out of thin air, It will give me more incentive and push on actualling getting that duck, stealing it from a pond or buying one

>>40769235 (OP)
You worship power.
You are an evil person.
You're scared of competition that thinks like you and does it better.

>>40769995
I want to be a good person
>>40769974
>people showing up in my life out of nowhere after thinking about them.

What about their free will?

If everyone and everything is god isn't that SOLIPSISM

>>40770019
>What about their free will?
Their free will is still in effect i guess? I didn't like "force" them to show up on specific date in specific way or anything, only thought positive and loving thoughts about them without expecting even seeing them and they showed up not long after that after years of not seeing them. It could be coincidence obviously but after you randomly think about someone you haven't seen for years and he shows up literally next day it makes you think. I don't know all the mechanics behind it, maybe they picked up on my positive "energy" for a lack of better word and decided to respond (out of their free will).

Solipsism after googling it means "the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist" but that seems obviously not true for me? Many others (other selves) are also existing and creating their realities using their free wills

>>40770106
Or maybe they are all just a figment of my imagination

If the path of logic, awareness, questioning, and inner truth leads you to isolation, solipsism, or existential dread...
Then what’s the payoff?
Why pursue it at all?

>>40770110
I think that's also true to an extent, but the "YOU" imagining them and me and yourself is "Infinity" (Intelligent Infinity or Conscious Infinity) or "All That Is".

>>40770152
>>40770141
Who says existence is fair?
>>40770152
So I can create other conscious beings? But they can't??

>>40770169
yeah the things you created are gay

I was thinking, so the problem with Solipsism is that, everyone and everything is a projection of your own subconscious. With this realization, you'd become lonely, realizing that you're the only real person. But how would you even feel lonely without a point of reference to begin with? Like, I don't think the feeling of loneliness would exist for you, unless you weren't alone to begin with
So with that reasoning, you can't be alone, even if your whole reality is a dream, right?

>>40770178
Some but without gay there's no straight

>>40770169
There is only one conscious being and it's infinite. I don't think it "creates" other conscious beings and IMO it doesn't even actually divide itself into many conscious beings but rather it creates some sort of illusion of it being many parts, one of them being you (your consciousness or I AM-ness).

You won't get far with that approach. Things aren't real because we like them to be real, things are real because of their inevitability and proximity to truth; be honest -- you're not interested in truth, you just want a particular worldview; one you like to be valid in the face of all others.

The truth does not have to compromise for your perspective, or lack thereof

>>40770222
I don't think that follows
Santa can not exist but you can still be sad he's not real
Correct me if I'm wrong

>>40770257
I don't think I want this to be true

>>40770310
I'm arguing that if loneliness exists, the concept of “others” must have an origin, and that origin implies you aren’t (or weren’t) truly alone.
In solipsism, if you're truly alone and everyone is just a figment of your mind, where did the idea of "others" come from? Where did the feeling of loneliness come from if there was never a real experience or concept of togetherness?

>>40770019
>I want to be a good person
No you don't.
You want to be thought of as a good person.
You want to think of yourself as a good person.
But you don't want to be a good person.

>>40770373
You might have a point...

>>40769235 (OP)
First you have to give God a reason to trust you, then you have to trust Him enough to listen.
He's not going to give you "easy money" for no reason.
Eliminating solipsism from your mind is a good first step.

>>40770331
I know what you mean, it took me some time to even begin to comprehend and accept that but it seems more and more self evident to me now. But on the other hand it is pretty simple actually if you really think about that, if "God" or universe was finite, then it's finiteness would still have to exist in some bigger frame of reference. If that other frame of reference was finite then it would still have to exist within even bigger frame of reference and so on and so on until infinity

>>40770381
But desu, I was taught that God created the universe because he was lonely. How could God know he was lonely without a frame a reference for him? Did he have God friends that abandoned him or something like that? Who knows, who knows if that's even why he made us, because he was lonely.
So idk, the problem remains, I guess

>>40770435
I don't think it's because he's lonely I think it's because he is all perfect and it's good to create beings who live good lives so he expresses his love by creating people

>>40770462
Yeah, maybe you're right, I'd like to think so, anyways
I mean, that's literally what Genesis says, right?
"God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.”
(Genesis 1:31)
So that makes sense, God must be some kind of entity that is just "all good" I suppose, or overflowing with goodness, or something like that

>>40770484
Logically it just makes sense assuming you believe in moral realism