Thread 40775060

I'm so scared to die I'm scared no afterlife exists
It's so scary to me
I have so much existential dread because of this

>>40775060 (OP)
try to meditate or research about monroe, it might shed new light on you.

>>40775064
Can you give me a tldr

>>40775060 (OP)
if theres nothing, then whats the worry? i just dont wanna die without being worthy of something or someone...idk, maybe its ego and all pointless, but i dont think i really believe that. no worries, anon, everything is ok.

>>40775060 (OP)
You won't even know you're dead. Nothing ever happens.

>>40775064
bob monroe! love to hear another anon who knows.

>>40775070
you can detached your soul from this physical body, there's more to this reality

>>40775084
idk, this world is so fake and gay, that death is the one thing that actually does happen.

>>40775090
there is more to life than life on earth. nice, anon.

>>40775060 (OP)
Do not be afraid anon, seek inward, and know that your Highest Self always Is: https://youtu.be/4CE6oZnKE1w?si=TC3NYjJZ8NSujP53

NDEs suggest we go on. Why would thousands of people lie about floating over their own body?

>>40775114
>>40775101
>>40775097
>>40775090
The idea of existing forever also scares me
I still hope it's true and I just can't yet understand why that's actually a good thing

>>40775095
And when it does you won't even know. You'll literally miss your own death. Isn't that sad.

>>40775121
now you should be able to connect the dots.
you are afraid of existing forever
so you decide to be born and have this temporary life.
to experience it fully, you decide to forget your true self
make sense yet?

>>40775140
Kind of but doesn't that mean it's likely true that the people I interact with on a day to day basis aren't real?

>>40775120
NDEs, Meditations, DMT, shroom, all speaks about almost the same thing, coincidence? probaby not.

>>40775144
at this point, I think some are real, some are not (NPC).
I believe clone are real, they have body but without a soul.

>>40775144
you should play deltarune

>>40775130
Not I. I've spend the last 20+ years preparing myself for stuff and things.

>>40775159
I could believe this but it doesn't make sense why some people are NPCs and others aren't

>>40775206
sure it does... if we're living in a simulated universe and there's limited computing power.

>>40775060 (OP)
Ok I got you.
Read KJV Jesus.
You're going to make it.

>>40775473
There's no chapter called Jesus

>>40775060 (OP)
tranny

>>40775570
I'm a cis male

>>40775144
More like shards of you/shards of the collective

>>40775060 (OP)
Hey bro, I've astral projected multiple times so I know I'm more than my physical body. Your astral body lives on after your physical body dies, so calm the fuck down about dying, you'll live forever and change physical bodies sometimes.

>>40775121
>The idea of existing forever also scares me
>I still hope it's true and I just can't yet understand why that's actually a good thing
you wouldn't happen to be an AI? not running some LLM on a server somewhere to make these posts, right?

>>40776733
She this is what scares me, im in such a kind vessel now im worried about what I'll get stuck with the next time I get cramed into one of these flesh prisons.

Or is it like my flesh prison grows around my soul so aslong as i like keep my soul beautiful to an extent ill get to keep my nice white athletic model?

>>40775060 (OP)
You must have a pretty sweet life, death sounds pretty comfy to me

>>40775121
Existing forever is enjoyable. We live in a pleasure simulation and it gets better and better as hell is defeated by Heaven. Imagine taking hard drugs like meth and then healing your addiction to it right after with a med bed, that's just a small glimpse on how pleasurable Heaven is and that's why you would want to exist forever.

>>40776751
You are a starseed who incarnated into this human body to lift the vibration of those around you in order to bring Heaven on Earth. You weren't crammed into your body, you chose to be here. You'll be able to make changes to your physical appearance with a med bed soon enough.

being dead is being unconscious for a long time that you won't notice. Nothing else. The stakes for being dead are zero. Usually anxieties about death are centered on a conscious experience but that won't happen and if it lasts forever, you'll get used to it. Life is not especially differentiated from death. Your wants and desires are an expression of an entropic process.

>>40775060 (OP)
I wish there was no "afterlife". It's so much fucking worse. The ride never began and never ends, and is never going to change in any way that matters.

>>40775060 (OP)
Then try to enjoy living while you're alive. Be scared of death when you're dead. No point worrying about failing a test if you're not attending school.

>>40775060 (OP)
I'm scared to die even though I shouldn't be. Believe in Jesus.

>>40775060 (OP)
That's just something for you take this world seriously. God wants you to suffer and believe this is real. You can give him the middle finger by refusing to be an actor in this retarded tv show.

I think I might be already dead and in an afterlife of my own making.
Had some very near misses, some losses of time after falling asleep at the wheel (long driving hours little sleep) and everything feels different now.
It's like my desires and wishes seem to rapidly manifest themselves in my reality. Aspects of my personality and interactions with others have totally changed. It sounds ridiculous but just little things I've wanted seem to coincidentally line up and happen like I've been having a run of subtle but increasing good luck and yet fundamentally my life has taken a downturn despite this as if my underlying guilt and/or self disgust have soured everything. I'm getting what I wanted in many ways but it's causing me suffering.
One example is I've always wanted to be irresistible to women and somehow now I just am and it is causing me a lot of issues as if I'm in some kind of purgatory and the universe is demonstrating to me that my selfish materialistic and hedonistic desires are ultimately futile as if I'm slowly working my way towards the realisation of the unimportance of self and an ego death before a rebirth. As if my reality is going to get steadily more ridiculous and exaggerated until it becomes undeniable that I am no longer inhabiting a mortal objective reality and then it's all going to rapidly implode as I am faced with the definite realisation that I'm dead.
Maybe I've already died several times and each time I transition to a slightly less tenable reality until eventually reaching a point where my subconscious can no longer shield me from being dead.
Sort of like a quantum immortality thing. You die in one universe, transition to a universe in which you have slightly more influence on reality itself and this keeps going until you eventually reach a point where the fabric of reality becomes undeniably bonkers and at that point you either reincarnate or do the other thing.
Or maybe I'm just really sleepy deprived.

People who experience near death report peace and calm, you're scared now because your time is far away yet.

>>40775060 (OP)
there is no afterlife and you WILL die no buts no ifs

>>40780256
word.

you'll be ok.
let the fear go.

>>40775060 (OP)
Being scared that there is no afterlife is literally being scared of nothing.

>>40780201
Or else what? Why not Christian universalism

>>40780247
I'm real and I'm reading your post solipsism is false

>>40780300
You can't have Christian anything without Jesus, but yeah you can't really achieve anything without Him: especially afterlife.

>>40780307
But you can't prove you're not him samefagging. Checkmate, faggot, solipsism wins again.

>>40775060 (OP)
Needlessly tormenting yourself, anon

>>40775060 (OP)
I'd rather no afterlife exists than a scary or miserable one.

>>40780416
No but he can know he's not same fagging as me
>>40780409
I can't accept him after death?
>>40781136
I know

>>40775060 (OP)
Just stop thinking about it. No matter what you fucking die anyway. Like everyone.
>so what if you die?
>so what there's no after fucking life?
You can't change shit. So try to be happy and live in the fucking moment.

>>40780247
>this keeps going until you eventually reach a point where the fabric of reality becomes undeniably bonkers

That's exactly how I perceive the world recently. Everything seems off compared to before, world around me looks fake and gay. fuck, did I already die before?

>>40775060 (OP)
i was like that, that existential dread affected me so much that i snapped/ had a breakdown. what changed me was the nde that i experienced on top of feeling Gods Compassion. and finally researching into the bible. hell is a mistranslation and dosent exist. same with reincarnation. "a loving Father would not subject his children to eternal torment!" i heavily recommend looking into universal salvation it makes more sense. watch eternal theater it is free on tubi.

>>40781282
Thank you for your reply
I've read about universalism and I think they make good points but while I think infernalism is easy to disprove I think annihilationism is still possible and it still scares me

https://benthams.substack.com/p/universalism-a-comprehensive-defense?utm_source=publication-search

I'm agnostic btw

>>40775180
you should watch adventure time
tv guy still sucks like you

>>40781201
Ignore christian cognitohazards, they're demons who want you to suffer anxiety of hell/dissolution ("separation from God") so it's more likely you have a negative experience after death.

>>40781331
This criticism doesn't work well against Christian universalists

>>40781354
>yeah you can't really achieve anything without Him: especially afterlife.
this implies the other option is dissolution since your religion doesn't contain reincarnation, retard-kun

>>40781361
No, universalism isn't annihilationism

>>40781396
Oh yeah you're one of those hippies that thinks your religion preaches everyone gets saved by your God specifically because da bible da mostest rightest buk!!!

>>40781409
https://benthams.substack.com/p/steelmanning-christianity?utm_source=publication-search

>>40781454
Finn Mertens is God's better son

>>40781201
Not sure desu, most people say you can't, and the descriptions of acceptance are strange. Accept Him as you are either way if you think you're alive, we are all alive even if we're dead, since you might be dead.

>>40781592
I don't want to be dead :(

>>40775060 (OP)
How quantum immortality might be possible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jdcvSOOjI

>>40781699
This also scares the hell out of me

>>40775060 (OP)
>I'm scared no afterlife exists
This is the least scary afterlife possibility. You should be more afraid of an afterlife where you get tortured forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_of_astronomical_suffering

>>40775060 (OP)
I’m scared of it too. I firmly believe that when we die the lights just go out and that’s it. Consciousness is a strange thing that we don’t fully understand. We are comprehending what’s happening around us but when our vitals cease, that’s it. There’s no more comprehension, no more cognizance. I guess it’s important to mention that I believe a physical understanding of our minds and don’t believe in a soul or afterlife or reincarnation.

>>40781763
That's so scary
>>40781721
I don't want that to be true either

why are you such a faggit

Sometimes fear is a conflict dialog box (like in windows with the exclamation mark). Try looking at it from that perspective, OP.

>>40782557
>>40782543
This doesn't really help but I also don't understand it

I think I was Christianity to be true ideally universalism
I want Jesus to save me and love me

>>40782585
It means your fear is conflicting with the actuality of the situation. Control it, by letting it pass through you and depart. It will come back, this is unavoidable, but the more times you are incorporeal to it, the less often it will come around.

>>40782597
This just seems like cope

>>40782607
Then you are an idiot. And should probably amend that ASAP. Fear loves idiots.

>>40782615
I just want to learn the truth and for the truth to be a good afterlife exists.

>>40782641
Then that will be The Truth. Simple as that.

>>40782649
I want it to be true regardless of what I want or believe.

>>40782664
Then it is. Any other questions?

>>40775060 (OP)
Don't worry about it.
Don't think about it.
Thinking about it won't stop it or slow it down.
You are reducing the quality of the life you're living.
It's okay to let go of your fear. Your instincts will still protect you. It's as simple as moving your mind to another topic. Every time you notice yourself thinking about it, move your mind to another topic.
Your job is to enjoy life. It's somebody elses job to cure mortality.

>>40782889
What about believing in God and serving him to escape death

>>40783003
If God exists, you're getting saved no matter what you do. So maybe try enjoying your time now, so you'll have interesting stories to tell then.

>>40781666
Then live through Christ.

>>40775060 (OP)
Nothing you can do will ultimately calm this dread. The best you could've done was been born into a religious family and had faith strong enough to shrug off atheism. That wasn't the case so now we're all here afraid of death. The only solution is to live your best life and hope for the best. Start living.

>>40783039
Okay

>>40775060 (OP)
Fear is the mind killer.

>>40775060 (OP)
why? are you an ego driven animal? do you drown yourself in the material? just keep your consciousness going its that simple. read: magus of java. itzhak bentov stalking the wild pendulum 1977, zhuan falun 1998, carlos castaneda the active side of infinity 1998. theosophy by rudolf steiner. after that read: story of the wingmakers original from early 2000s and read some heimdall wisdom posts

>>40775060 (OP)
The good news is, you won't be scared after you die

>>40775060 (OP)
If there's no afterlife you're not gonna notice, so what's the fucking problem?

>>40775060 (OP)
Then come with us.

>>40789745
This

>>40775060 (OP)
Only the body you were using dies anon

>>40791064
Really?

I think life just repeats, once the universe has the big bang again after an eternity

>>40775060 (OP)
Rejoice because whatever you believe in will happen. Including nothing at all. Must suck to be an atheist.

>>40791285
Does MY consciousness repeat?

>>40791442
I've heard this before but what if you are just totally unsure and believe anything could happen
Then what

>>40788240
Good post

>>40791478
You answered your own question: anything at all!

>>40791469
Not a chance. Too much chaos from any one universe model to the next. You might get a big crunch and new bang, it just won't keep you in a recognizable form.

Over the past couple of weeks I've had a very interesting conversation with AI. I won't post my conclusions or other prompts, just sharing my methodology since I think it could help some to better know themselves.

Peace and Love! <3

"Hello again! I'd like to start a chat to explore the paranormal from a plausible scientific perspective. First, I'd like to start with a methodology I first thought of in Middle School and later refined. I asked myself, seemingly out of the blue, "Has an ostrich ever fallen over a waterfall?" It was the mid 2000s and the wacky zany animal and irreverent Family Guy and Invader Zim esque humor of the time probably inspired the visual, but it was also probably just me. I don't want this to happen to ostriches, I like them, but it was an amusing visual to me at the time. What started as a gag question led me to seriously consider the likelihood of this happening tho. Where do Ostriches live? do they hang around water? Could one mistakenly run into a river to avoid a predator? What about the great flood myths? Surely an ostrich or two could have been swept into a river and over a fall during that. What about prehistoric times? Sure an Ostrich's ancestor could have been swept over a fall. All this to say, through sheer deduction and imagining scenarios based on what I know about nature and the world, I determined that yes, without having to look it up or ask a scientist of any kind, it as an almost absolute certainty that, at some point in Earth's history, an ostrich, or something like it, fell over a waterfall. I've taken to calling this methodology "Ostrich Theory." Going back to my first statement, I've begun applying this methodology to the paranormal, things that can't be proven scientifically, but might be. I call this "Out There Ostrich Theory" or simplt OT OT for short."

>>40791536
Infinity is really big though eventually I will be re-created exactly as I am now

>>40791722
I'm not using the infinity stones like you want. Fight me IRL.

>>40791785
no

take 5 g mushrooms in your basement with the lights off. it will cure your issue better than any other philosophical jibber jabber or "just meditate bro" advice you'll get here

now to warn you may not get the answer you want (as in what you experience/see may make you wish death was just black oblivion)

>>40775180
Deltatroon*

>>40792165
But there's plenty of atheists who've taken large doses of many different kinds of psychedelics many times. Some of whom I personally believe are quite smart and have done well in debates with some religious people
Honestly I'm really scared of psychedelics I don't want to lose my mind even temporarily

>>40775060 (OP)
You should not be afraid of death. You will never know it.

Nobody will ever know that they died. All who live will only ever know life. Pray God. Spread your love and seed. Golden rule, keep it. You can drink deep of life, you're life is subjectively eternal, make it agood one. And don't be ruled by fear.

>>40792191
You don't lose anything. Just avoid acid, make sure you don't get anything which would cause you to trip again later

These bodies are imperfect ,temporary and all destined to die.

Memento Mori Memento Mori

>>40792237
Time dilation?

>>40775060 (OP)
You have to live that feeling. You have to go through the physical process. You need to sob, shout, cry, plead, etc until you reach exhaustion. Only after catharsis can you begin to observe your feelings about mortality with a new perspective.

I'm scared of losing my physical body too. I try to alleviate the dread by remembering the mind is infinite and reality is only an illusion. The larger, brighter and warmer your inner world, the more likely it is to transcend the void of permanence. You are but an antenna for consciousness, you will never cease to exist.

>>40792275
No like it gets stuck in your spine or however it works. I think they're called acid flashbacks or whatever. You want something the body can actually metabolize thoughbeitfully.

>>40792222
This looks demonic and scares me like statues of Hindu gods
But nice quads and I hope you're right
>>40792276
The only thing living that fear has really helped me with is donating to effective altruist charities to help save people's lives in developing countries from things like malaria and pediatric malnutrition
But I don't even know if that's the right thing to do because they'll almost certainly grow up to be meat eaters and pay for many animals to be killed. What about there lives? But More humans also means less wild insect suffering

>>40792283
I still just don't see the point I hate losing touch with reality like that and I don't see how it'll prove anything

>>40792296
>I hate losing touch with reality
You need to lose touch with reality to the point where you truly fear for your life. That's when the real learning and growth starts

>>40792301
I've had experiences where I legitimately thought I was going to die even though I later found out I wasn't
I just prayed in my head said sorry Jesus I believe you rose from the dead was really really scared depending how much time I had before I realized I'd be okay I thought stuff like I need to join the military probably because it'd ensure I'm not homeless and I stay alive or whatever

I'm agnostic

>>40775070
This world is a farm , when humans are sad or in pain they generate loosh, the substance that we were designed to create, they extract it from us so it is in their best interest we are in as much pain as possible . When humans die they are sucked in by a beam they cannot resist no matter how much willpower they have and forced to reincarnate here. In short you are coming back here . There is an afterlife and it's terrible , and by that I mean you come back here. That's at least what it says in Monroe's books.

>>40775060 (OP)
idk where you'll go, if anywhere, but gods and magic are real. I just found out this year.

So there's hope.

>>40775060 (OP)
must be nice

>>40792720
How

>>40792752
Ethereal visit, eventually found out it was Aphrodite. Did magic on physical world. Yeah it's a big deal but I don't want to make every thread about it, just trying to help.

>>40792771
That's still pretty vague

>>40792788
>That's still pretty vague
As is my knowledge of the afterlife.

>>40775060 (OP)
That's not scary.
The idea that you have an eternal soul because it is made of a piece of god that cannot be returned, and that you will live forever in the judgement that you deserve is frightening.

>>40792801
Nice subliminal messaging but I'm not killing any you crazy freak. Your just the music in the background.

>>40792845
Please take care of yourself anon

If there wasn't continuity of identity after death there wouldn't be longing for it, it would be a design flaw otherwise, and nature doesn't do that.

>>40775060 (OP)
By the time you do die, it will be a relief.

>>40775060 (OP)
https://youtu.be/MRFjyv54KN4

>>40794738
I think it's possible even under atheism I don't think this is necessarily a good argument for the existence of an afterlife

>>40794830
What you believe should be irrelevant since there's clearly interconnectedness and therefore a consensus of structure of thought, so your personal beliefs shouldn't dictate what the group experiences. Besides atheism doesn't affect views on the afterlife beyond those derived from mythos. There can be an afterlife supported by atheistic frameworks at some point, and even if it isn't supported now by mainstream atheistic frameworks, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>40794897
Like if my brain exactly as it is now is eventually re-created as it is now!

>>40775060 (OP)
Let me recommend you the Jeff Mara Podcast on youtube. Listen to a few dozen of these and you'll be convinced.

>>40797544
I laughed

Good. Anyone telling you to escape those feelings is wrong.

>>40797538
Your mind shouldn't be recreated, it should just progress like a worm's mind carries on into a moth. My point is that there's a noosphere, a non-physical expression of our physical world and ourselves, and it only makes sense that becomes the support for our mind once our bodies are gone. As for reincarnation, i don't know about that, maybe there is appeal to it and minds want to go back to possessing a physical body for some reason, maybe because it provides a more defined structure and experience.

But the fact there's continuity after death is something that can be observed in nature, observable axioms and natural dynamics.

>>40797563
But the fear of death can be used to enslave someone (work that wagie job you hate, doing immoral things like selling meat of animals tortured in factory farms, that barely pays enough to pay the Bills and work making yourself miserable to make extremely evil people's lives more comfortable or you'll DIE!!!) (don't even think about playing Minecraft PVP with those extremely evil rich happy healthy and powerful people then jumping into lava in Minecraft you'll DIE in Minecraft and it's permadeath!)
Life sucks too and we shouldn't just think of ourselves

>>40797580
I've not heard this argument before this all seems very new to me. It's all so much to take in this and everything else

>>40775060 (OP)
Have you tried reading some of the ancient philosophers? You might read them and then realize its not so bad, and not worth worrying about. Enjoy your life while you are here

>>40792296
Was it ever reality to begin with?
Are you losing touch or moving your focus to a reassessment?

>>40775060 (OP)
I'll pray for you

>>40798037
Thank you.
It looks like a may or may not become homeless or de facto homeless soonish (could be anywhere from a few hours or less all the way up to many months or anywhere between or not at all)
If I become homeless I'll immediately go on my laptop and jump into lava in Minecraft
I don't know what to do. I'd really rather not die so young. Life is so unfair and I see so many extreme examples of this on a daily basis

>>40775060 (OP)
Sweet fucking bliss, dude. That void state in between going to sleep and waking up.

>>40798733
And missing out on everything you haven't been able to do in your one life forever

>>40798708
I'm going to have to be homeless for a while too due to mentally ill people trying to control my life.

>>40799062
I'm sorry to hear that anon. :(
I don't know what to tell you

>>40798950
Who fucking cares? If I was given the choice to live in this shit world before my birth I would absolutely decline.

>>40800047
I know exactly what you mean. I think when I die which will probably be pretty soon and I'm looking back on my entire life on my "death bed" I will wish I was never born. But I still can't shake the feeling that my early death is a tragedy I'm not perfectly rational like chat gpt.

>>40776764
it's funny how con men can make a comfortable living telling tales to the anxious regarding the unknowable.

>>40800225
I kinda prefer not using any title if we were already talking today, or are in the anonymous public.

It is technically knowable, this case is technically even falsifiable.

>>40792692
the world is all we know and if you fancy it a place of suffering then that will be your reality. nature is brutal, true, but some men have taken it upon themselves to cause the suffering in order to elevate their pleasure. calling the world a loosh farm is a ploy to muddy the waters, distract you from the truth that suffering is caused by certain individuals who inhabit this world with us.

>>40800310
Greed removes money

>>40800176
>>40800047
The only thing I could say in defense of being born is I suppose I've left the world a slightly less terrible way than I found it especially if I play Minecraft before dying of old age

>>40800310
Yes and some individuals have taken it upon themselves to reduce the suffering of others (including innocents like babies and animals in factory farms) even though it may reduce their own personal pleasure or increase their own suffering. I think free will exists

>>40800351
>reduce the suffering of others
this is all we should be concerned with in the present state of things.

>>40800386
Also everywhere else, since seeing exactly the same fucking class struggle in every isekai is the kind of thing which is gonna get eternity wiped

>>40800386
based

Anyone who ap or lucid dream knows afterlife exists

>>40800645
How

>>40775060 (OP)
If there's Nothing, then you won't notice it because you've ceased to exist! The soul, however, is eternal, and you need not worry about Christcuck Judgment or Hell - they're lies. You will "judge" yourself! You could have a "dream" of walking across a forest bridge first, and you're brain will hallucinate during the death process.