I apologize in advance if I'm stating the obvious, but it took me 32 fucking years to connect the dots. I was lied to in church, I was lied to in catechism, I was lied to in shitty movies where the devil appears as an anomaly, a casting mistake.

But the truth is simple: the devil was created by God.
If you create a monster, you are responsible for its crimes. If you leave the door open to horror, you participate. God is not innocent. God is not love. God is a hypocrite. God and Satan are two sides of the same coin. Therefore, God is the first traitor.

oh, boy... unc is having some kind of half life existential crisis

>>40791328 (OP)

>crucicuck cant handle the idea of an interdual god

holy shit, its almost as if the books actually mean something and the new testament is not faithful to the tradition of the talmud and instead serves as roman syncretist propaganda

god and satan arent two sides of the same coin, satan is *in* god the same way any other angel is. samael is the venom of god, which only becomes hasatan when *purely destructive and adversarial.*

desu? skill issue, esp at your age

>>40791328 (OP)
Yes. God is Satan. It's sick.

>>40791328 (OP)
I might have dreamed of the person in pic related last night???

>>40791328 (OP)
God also invented Ice Cream. How can God be evil if he invented ice cream?

>>40791359
Bro! She and Rob Schneider were in one of my dreams two weeks ago!

>>40791378
I love God

>>40791328 (OP)
Shut your mouth, you're just a Satanist. Another cunning demon defiling Christianity. Damn you!

>>40791343
Fuck you.

>>40791348
Go watch some baby torture gore and get back to us.

>>40791396
OP is just being honest, which is better than blind faith. I'm older than him and there are things about Christianity that still bother me. I used to be a smug sarcastic faggot like the Christians itt.

The real God is beyond the god-satan creator of this world.

>>40791411

huh? you watch that?

really weird of you to say tb 100% h but it explains a lot

>>40791407
i hope your knees and elbows will continue to serve you well for at least another ten years

>>40791423
That is to say, said in less more.

>>40791432
No, I don't. But God created a world in which such things happen. He could have not created it, or made it so they're impossible, or outright intervene.

Although the fact that the soul leaves the body during such tortures seems like an example of merciful divine design. See? I'm looking at both sides. But then there is eternal hell, an eternity of excruciating tortures, where most people will end up. Why even create humanity when you know of this outcome?

>>40791435
Time passes very quickly. You will soon be old yourself.

>>40791328 (OP)
Is that why we humans live in hell that is earth just to suffer. Then when we die we go to heaven where the fucker makes fun of us and forces us back to hell that is earth again to be reborn and suffer again?

>>40791456

>no i dont

>the soul leaves the body during such tortures

real convincing of you. are you asking why torture is possible or why its prevalent? either way your argument is self-defeating because it's literally "how could there be anything beyond polarization when baby torture?" and that really just brings your mindscape into question, were you abused or are you just using this topic as a bludgeon through the sheepskin of "morbid curiosity?" because i can guarantee you theres something deeper to be addressed with your comment, but it's out of my pay grade

>>40791465
yeah it's only been a month since i turned 18 and i won't be 18 forever
but this god devil thing was something i wrestled with at 12
so thankfully i won't have to bother with that when i get to your age

>>40791328 (OP)
Satan is His creation, as you say. No human knowledge or understanding can surpass that of God. In other words, youre getting taken for a ride by the devil for sin of pride.

>>40791480
By all means go ahead. I can handle any argument. I'm not a dummy. And no, gore makes me literally sick, but you can believe whatever you want about me.

Honestly the evils of this world don't bother me much intellectually. Hell is much trickier to justify. Why not just let the wicked die? Why must they suffer forever? Particularly when even dumb relatively inconsequential sins like petty theft, gossip and masturbation get their own tortures in hell according to theologians and mystics. Punishment doesn't fit the crime. Just snuff them out. But nooooo. Eternal torture!

>>40791456
>>40791480

like i understand the need for rationality, but the dissonance here is based off of the assumption god is some guy who was completely existent before time and *randomly decided* to "create" the world.

"god" as you know it is the personified world.

better yet, "god" as you know it is {{{{some peoples}}}}} attempt to steal ((((other peoples))) "anthropomorphic world" as an authority of possession and birthright despite that being antithetical to the culture of its propagation, which is why instead of revolving around discourse, it started to revolve around codification and declaration of heresies (without seeking to fix them, ofc.)

you cant "talk to god" in the way the church talks about without kabbalistic work that *cannot occur* simply by baptism or communion without prior knowledge and understanding. that's why we have so many egomaniacs "playing god," because the church is a roman vestal/imperial cult in jews' clothing.

but, we both know this is gonna get 50 million bible verse responses, so i'd ask you to use your critical thinking skills here. is it more likely god is fake, or just an antiquated idea?

cus, outside of rome, there is no "eternal hell," not to anybody.

>>40791530

>the evils of this world dont bother me much intellectually

oh word so you *were* just using baby torture for shock value to distract from your overwhelming fear of accountability, got it.

>>40791497
Dumbass. I was a smug cocky Christian exactly like you at your age. Reading Augustine. Quoting Chesterton to atheists. Sneering at unbelievers. All of it. You're not wise, you're just displaying the typical arrogance of youth.

Don't get me wrong. There is a lot about Christianity I deeply respect and admire.

>>40791540
Yeah man, I was doing whatever you want to project onto me. You win.

>>40791533
Okay, Deleuze. Read some books penned by exorcists and get back to me. Cross-reference them with NDE reports. Then read some ex-iluminatti whistleblower PDFs from libgen for some further cross-referencing. That's what real sleuthing looks like. The truth that emerges is that Christianity is real. Official academic discourse is mere pap with a veneer of sophistication. (((They))) control academia and (((they))) know that God is real.

>>40791541
... lmao i'm muslim. well, "culturally" muslim or "nominally" muslim for what it's worth
i simply decided that all matters of belief were beyond my rational mind to verify
what was important though was a basic moral framework to live by

>>40791560

>read christian slop
>read illuminati slop
>le jews control le media

im ok

if only you could channel your righteous indignation into studying the world at large and not just *your* specific culture because you think thats the "right" way ergo no other way should exist without assimilation

its almost as if blue lodge masons aka "illuminati" had to study more than just daemonslop, they had to study mythography.

do better, sherlock, i know you can

>>40791617
Yeah, just call it slop, whatever.

Sure, throw Schuon and Guenon and comparative religion into the mix, read the Quran and the Bhagavad Gita and the Book of Mormon.

And yet you know full well which secret societies wield power in this world. These guys are into Buddhism and Islam and the Qabbalah and astrology and crystals and the rest of it. But they seem to have a strange contempt for Jesus. The same contempt indeed that demoniacs will display during exorcisms. Isn't that interesting?

These are empirically verifiable facts with important implications.

>>40791328 (OP)
Isiah 45:7

>>40791646

>you know full well which secret societies wield power in this world

the christian-acceptant-adjacent ones, yeah

>the same contempt indeed that demoniacs will display during exorcisms

see, now you're devolving into "but they're satan!!!!!" and the only valid response to that is to ask you to look inward for *why* youre so obsessed with a man rome only posited as a king in diogenic satire. look up the seamless robe. or, you know, literally anything outside your little echochamber. i'm challenging you to *do the fucking research* instead of coming in here and peddling your understanding as infallible.

>these are empirically verifiable facts

appeal to authority + confirmation bias, endless cope + esoteric god complex, please pick a few books up, any of the ones you named will do, get a degree while youre at it

god is just perfect basically same source that says he created anything implies that. low effort bait/10

>>40791674
Cool erudite prose there. Diogenic, yes, sure. I've read some Plato and Sophocles and Aristophanes. Anyway, maybe Jesus is interesting to me because of the universal exorcistic efficacy of his name? Ayys (countless anecdotal reports), Roman gods (Augustine, Tertullian), African deities (missionary reports), Hindu gods -- they all submit to the name of Jesus. Isn't that interesting? Is there any other religion that can boast this? I know Islam and Buddhism etc. do exorcisms too, but with the same degree of efficacy? Doesn't seem to be the case. And why are these gnostic secret societies so obsessed with Christianity? Why do they seem to be literally waging war against Jesus? It's almost like they know that Jesus Christ is God and they have decided to wage war against him.

I'm not a zealot, I'm a truth-seeker. I go where the evidence leads me. If someone can prove to me that Christianity isn't true I will accept it. So far however it seems to be the truth.

Anyway you want cool respectable academic literature? Read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Exorcism-Enlightenment-Gassner-Eighteenth-Century-Lectures/dp/0300106696

>>40791728

which is......? lemme guess, the king jimmy?

not the source, buddy, that ones satire fanfic and you guys eat it up like daddy told you to

World without evil and man's not sentient

>>40791736

you know, the fact you think exorcisms hold any weight in the year twenty twenty fucking five speaks volumes more than any academic textbook could ever. i wasnt calling you diogenic *in a non diogenic sense,* you're very bad at concealing your motives and you're even worse at playing switzerland. i'd leave it at "if someone can prove to me christianity isnt true i will accept it" because i could, in a single verse; galations 3:13.

but, you know, because *the jimmy says it,* are you gonna try to tell me the curse *was* a blessing? do you lack the critical thinking to know *that codification* was a traumatic response and not *actual resonance?*

>It's almost like they know that Jesus Christ is God and they have decided to wage war against him.

you just failed even christian theology because even *your* book says the father is not the son is not the spirit. please stop biblethumping/cousinhumping and come to the present please, theres actual progress for you to make, but you have to lose the ego and the smug faux-obligation to actually do that.

>>40791328 (OP)
>blaming God for his free willed children's actions
not sure how you morally justify that. what is he supposed to do? kill everyone who disobeys? lobotomies en masse?

>>40791766

oh, dont you know, he's supposed to send down the dead jew on a stick to tell everyone "hey!!! stop being mean!" in a way that they'll listen to, that's why these guys have been killing off anyone who says otherwise for the last 2-3000 years

>>40791646
pretty much all awakened and all of God's Army know that jesus was a traitor and monster who ushered in this past 2000 years of darkness with his blood sacrifice. if you follow him closely you can find on mt tabor when he was infected by the "flashing yellow lights" demon. here, have the real version of The Last Supper

>>40791738
what I'm trying to say is that is the nature of religion, yes god is a monster, but if you want information about this you'll never hear them say that, but in that is the nature of reality. It's not fair to just say god is a monster though, but he is just referred to as mighty, strong and terrible too so it's not too off.

>>40791759
I have witnessed exorcisms personally. Catholic. Read extensively about it. Books scholarly and non-scholarly. Absolutely no way to explain the phenomenon within a materialistic/naturalistic/mechanistic/scientistic worldview. Nice chronological fallacy there btw. Materialism is a psyop, modernity is gnostic. Read Eric Voegelin.

You talk fancy but you are not a rigorous thinker. Your inelegant academese betrays a muddled mind. My prose is the prose of a fanatic because Nietzsche was right: what drives one mad is not doubt but certainty. Seeing the truth too clearly. Seeing the same patterns emerge time and again, everywhere you look. The very patterns you're desperately trying not to see. The opposite of confirmation bias.

>>40791790

no, it's the nature of *your* religion, speak for yourself instead of continuing the projectionism {{{{your people}}}} cant help but peddle.

y'all project it onto *us* because *even your elites wont let you in on your church's secrets,* does that not bother you? or are you too busy gagging on it to take a fucking breath

>>40791780
Hmm. So what do your rites and sacraments look like? Do they involve doing evil things to babies? Rhetorical question.

>>40791800

your thesauric vocabulary means nothing in the face of your degreelessness, angloid. btw D tier ragebait, theres no way to explain it because *its not a real concept, its a bastardization of the kabbalah.*

your prose isnt that of a fanatic, it's that of a medless schizophrenic who thinks you can cast adversarialism out of a being by spritzing them with holy water and chanting king jimmy verses at them, you need a psych eval if not some ayahuasca

>>40791803
>everyone who doesnt worship my false messiah is a jew
ok loser, 7 billion jews and 1 billion of you retards then

>>40791809
i'm ESL. i don't use dictionaries while writing. i have a vast vocabulary but my prose is not pedantic like yours. i am sincere. i'm disappointed because i thought you too were sincere but now you show your true colors. resorting to vulgar ad hominem. "get a degree." lol. get a real job, nigga.

>>40791811
no, i'm serious. you seem to believe jesus is God, or at least some sort of powerful being, and yet you declare yourself his enemy. this intrigues me.

>>40791829
jesus has jack shit to with God except falling to Samael and performing the most ridiculously fractal series of blood sacrifices in history

>>40791809
>you can cast adversarialism out of a being by spritzing them with holy water and chanting king jimmy verses at them

this is such vacuous academese. you're playing with concepts like a child playing with legos.

>>40791834
right. so why are demons terrified of him?

>>40791821

>pedantic

>sincere

>>40791800

>nietzsche was right

you know, if your vocabulary is that big, you can understand the colloquial use of "thesaurus-wielding" to be the very pedantry youre saying you arent a part of.

>jesus is the way because exorcisms!!!!!

greeks studied daemons for way longer than jesus

>ive witnessed an exorcism

i can pretty solidly guarantee that you havent, but, i'll humor you, explain how saying "christ compels you" can fix anything other than munchausen syndrome manifesting in psychosis.

and if you're so sincere, why would me asking you to be qualified to preach what you do be anything less than sincere? i want you to be taken seriously, and you're making that incredibly hard

>>40791840
they're not, stupid. a real demon will laugh in your face if you invoke jesus. you obviously have no experience with satanic entities. they let child fucking pedophiles "exorcise" them to entrap people further in the blood feast of catholicism

>>40791835

you admitted to being ESL so i'll let it slide that you cant handle english semantics, but i'd ask you to read a fucking book instead of pointing at the jimmy every time someone asks for proof, its not a good look, neither on you nor your family.

>>40791843
>greeks studied daemons for way longer than jesus

so?

> i can pretty solidly guarantee that you havent

no you can't.

>munchaysen syndrome
>psychosis

trite psychiatric terminology. again, you're not a rigorous thinker. you don't actually want to know the truth, you just want to be seen as smart. ironically this makes you dumb.

>>40791847
verifiably untrue. even the highest demons in the infernal hierarchy whimper before the Lord. you are the one who lacks experience.

>>40791850
i'm ESL and my english is better than yours. no offense.

>>40791850
ever take a verbal IQ test? you can take one and we can compare scores. you better ace it tho.

>>40791872

>nonresponse

>nonresponse

>esl cryptoimperial dogma

you yourself are not a "rigorous thinker," or you wouldnt be saying i "dont want to know the truth" because i dont agree with you. ironically, this makes you an ignorant and self-important, or, in your words, "dumb."

how about actually replying? or do i gotta get satirically racist to goad that from you?

I just learned that humanity created the Jews. We betrayed ourselves, we abandoned us.

>>40791882

youre engaging in one right now and i can place you firmly at sub-60

>>40791850
>english semantics
fucking best joke/yoke/yolk on this fucking dirt ball frfr famalam, tell me about the unambiguous definitions of the word "set"

>>40791893

a collection or particular group, like the set of nuts laying in the sack i'm currently lowering into your mothers mouth

>>40791890
>sub-60 verbal IQ
sub-80 is already Hodor, you're claiming that you are arguing with someone who doesn't understand letters or words at all over the internet

if there is any test on this cursed rock we all failed and keep doubling down on "no u" and honestly i'm here for it because i do not believe in trust anymore

>>40791901
>guys i dont know about russell's paradox lmao xdd
you right now

>>40791883
i've provided arguments and book recommendations. you replied with fallacies, cliches and ad hominem. "exorcisms aren't real because it's 2025", "spiritual phenomena aren't real it's just psychosis bro", "you don't have a degree". worthless pap.

look for churches in your area that do exorcisms and examine the phenomenon for yourself. or read the book i linked. read colin wilson's books on the paranormal for an overview of the official suppression of psi research along the last century and a half. atheism is a psyop.

>>40791890
funny. the psychology today test puts me at 150. i posted the link to the test on /lit/ and no one came near my score. forgive me for bragging.

>>40791903

>honestly im here for it

i can tell, you're the only one acting like that, but, yk, what you cant understand clearly makes no sense and is gibberish, because, you know, thats how learning a second language works, and isnt representative at all of your limited capacity for critical thought, pattern recognition, or foresight.

>i dont believe in trust

i dont believe you being esl is an excuse for you to act so pompous and self-important as if anybody should give a fuck about your particular swing at the dead horse

>>40791909
>>40791916

which all point to the same source, which is in itself riddled with fallacies. if you had a better understanding of english, maybe you'd be able to understand i havent actually said anything youve claimed i have, you're just coping endlessly with your lack of being heard, which is ironic given *even you* are willing to categorize stuff as "incoherent" when it doesnt line up with your understanding.

>>40791922

damn, where, IQTEST.com? real accurate bro, all the cool kids base their intelligence on IQ and not, you know, actual achievements *with* said intellect, like degrees.

>forgive me for bragging

nah lol you seem like an entitled little bitch i dont take your bragging as anything more than that

like seriously, what, you gonna apply to mensa or something? get fucking real

>>40791938
you're not going to gaslight me, buddy. i don't mean to be arrogant but i'm smarter than you. let's face it.

>>40791328 (OP)
>Mortal man with an expected lifespan of 80ish years has pulled back the veil and discovered not only the motivations, end goals, and exact thoughts of the universes creation but also come to the unshakable conclusion that all eternal beings outside his comprehension are evil

>>40791938
oh, and the guy saying he "doesn't believe in trust" (jeez) ain't me.

>>40791953
>>>40791938 (You)
>you're not going to gaslight me, buddy. i don't mean to be arrogant but i'm smarter than you. let's face it.

im sorry but do you expect me to do anything other than laugh at the sheer retardation of this? are you actually fucking braindead or is your church giving you a rectal "exorcism" every sunday as incentive to keep peddling this bullshit? you're hilarious, dude.

>>40791938
the beautiful thing is you too can be smart if you stop being a snooty bitch and try being intellectually honest for once. seeking the truth with complete sincerity is the best exercise for your brain.

>>40791963
you write like a moron (when cornered), your arguments are crap, your references are not as erudite as you think. what should i assume? that you're a genius? i'm not saying you're a retard but you're no einstein.

Why is this cunt pretending to be various people arguing with each other?

>>40791992
no one's pretending. shut up nigga.

>>40791966

>stop being a snooty bitch and try being intellectually honest for once

my postgraduate and harvard academic history warrant a little ego, hon. kinda like your lil shrimp buddy warrants your massive overcompensation, but, you know, mine is about something i've actually earned, not seething over something i cant (like you)

>seeking the truth with complete sincerity is the best exercise for your brain.

so seek the truth instead of saying "DAEMONS!!!!! GFJHKAJAHGDAAEEEMONNSSSSS!!!!!!!" at shit you very clearly have not studied.

and btw, your 150 iq is "impressive" lil buddy, im sure your mom sees you as her handsome little superstar despite your hall of fame career in basement-dwelling and smegma accumulation

>>40791977

you should assume that you're human, like the rest of us, smartass.

get a job, and maybe some bitches while youre at it

>>40791999
>nein nein nein
You defo samefagging. Go ahead and trick me with some Developer Tools (You)

>>40791992
seriously. you have a toddler's reading comprehension if you can't tell our writing styles apart.

>>40792014
>im gonna type in distinct writing styles so people think im different people
Uh huh. Yeah nah. Ok. Go fuck yourself.

>>40792010
everyone knows that ivy league universities are full of retards these days. they're not what they used to be. social capital you do have. networking and all that. pedigree. sure. actual smarts tho? i'm not seeing it. you of all people should know that elegant academic credentials do not equal smarts. i'm a thirdie without a degree and i'm smarter than you. the rest of your post is just you throwing a weird tantrum.

>>40792012
>>40792028

you're annoying. go away.

>>40792049
Fuck you. You fuck off, you fucking troll.

>>40792042

>you of all people should know that elegant academic credentials do not equal smarts

yea which is why i didnt mention em until you started acting like i was asking you to kiss my feet, get a fucking hobby dude interfaith studies are very clearly not your ballgame

>social capital you do have. networking and all that. pedigree. sure. actual smarts tho? i'm not seeing it.

LOL

i am a mutt and by no means the image you're painting, but, yk, keep fantasizing abt me being the snooty white lady you wanna fuck, cus,,,,,, that's totally earning points in ur favor, "thirdie," just like bludgeoning over and over with "im smarter than you" has done anything to actually prove your intellect

>>40792063
yeah. i'm the troll. nice talking to you, man.

>>40792068
if you want to prove your intellectual superiority why don't you try to answer my arguments with actually intelligent arguments of your own. i'm calling it as i see it. give me an actual good argument and i'll gladly acknowledge it.

>>40792079

i dont want to prove my superiority, that's the difference between me and you. mr "i'm smarter than you, just accept it. you're below me." if you dont feel threatened, why are you so defensive and quick to project?

>>40792082
Neither of you actually sees how serious the other is, except you're doing this on purpose. At least your opponent was just hot tempered momentarily, you are being kind of a dick here.

>>40792082
i don't want to prove anything. i just wanted to have an honest debate. so you're a mutt with a harvard degree in a first world country. i'm a dirt poor mutt without a degree in a third world country. don't worry, you're doing better than me. i hate being arrogant, but you were trying to insult my intelligence and gaslight me. i don't put up with that shit.

anyway, this has devolved into lame bickering. have a good day dude.

>>40792088

>>>40791872

doing what on purpose, exactly? calling out your facetious rhetoric? calling out the cryptoroman cabal y'all project onto *my* people?
what, is your little hate speech haven unsafe now that theres room for actual conversation?
too bad, here i thought he would engage with debate instead of resorting to "im smart youre dumb," but either way its very clear where your loyalties lie.

>>40792091

good day to you too, troglodyte, back from whence ye came, may ye not return until you fuck seven bitches consensually

>>40792091
>>40792110
>not even trying anymore

>>40792115

today marks the first day a christian with a superiority complex got a true taste of their own medicine. better get used to it. good luck, you'll need it.

>>40791328 (OP)
Chickens and eggs, anon.
What is god? I mean really.
Is what you interpret as god really the thing itself?

>>40792118
>master debater beating himself in a master debate
Wooh. Wow. So impressive.

>>40792125
>>master debater beating himself in a master debate
>Wooh. Wow. So impressive.

>master baiter catching someone pretending to be both a "thirdie" and a "snooty harvard bitch" simultaneously with his master baiting ability

dont you have a JAV to finish torrenting or something why are you so dedicated to calling samefag
thank you kanye very cool

>>40792132
>still talking irrelevant bullshit
>obviously just arguing for argument's sake
Master stroke.

>>40792136

>master stroke

nah i think you gotta hit level 50 to unlock that one buddy, you'll get there eventually

>>40792139
>blah blah blah same shit
You too, buddy.

>>40791328 (OP)
>Write a list of things that X can do to Y
>Write a program that will randomly select Z things from that list and then enact them.
>Get mad at the program for doing exactly what I allowed it to do.
This is the Christian God. He is an Indian programmer getting mad at his own creation for doing things that he created and then allowed that creation to do. Christians do not like it when you tell them that their God has created everything, both good and evil, he created it all. The bible says nothing is created without God yet they are happy to palm off murder, blood magic, and child rape to humans, even though by their own holy book these things could not have been created without God! God is just an idea of what they think is right in the moment and this is why you have so many fucking sects of Christianity.

>>40791938
>blind assertion against the other without any basis in fact covered in "you just dont understand mooooom!"
bitch, im a cow
mooo

>>40792168
>Indian programmer
you mean Jewish programmer.

>>40792196
Indian programmers are the worst on the planet, by far.

>>40792201
but Abrahamic religions was written down by the Jews. I'm just being historically accurate here.

>>40791328 (OP)
It's like this: in the beginning there was nothingness, and God. It was like the singularity before the big bang. All things as one. Then creation happened, and that process is still ongoing, but the goal seems to be separation between "desirable" and "undesirable" to God (more nuanced than good and evil). Like a distillation process. So at the end of time, God is surrounded by only things and aspects of Himself that he wants, and all the bad stuff is cordoned off (hell).

>>40792992
>Then why even create bad stuff in the first place?

I think it all just "was", and there might not even be anything good if there wasn't bad to contrast it.

>Why punish his own creations in hell? Why not just uncreate them?

I don't think the intention is vengeful punishment, just separation. But it does suck there because you are cut off from the divine light and warmth. And it might be that souls can neither be created or destroyed, so they have to go somewhere.

>>40793047
If that is the case then Christianity is false. It states all things are made through God.

>>40791328 (OP)
"God" IS the devil, dipshit. He plays both sides to stop you from wondering if his rules are even valid. Jesus offered himself as a blood libel sacrifice to "the devil" to overtly invalidate his strategy here. It worked because god loves a good blood libel. That's literally all of Jesus's talking points summarized in a few sentences.

>>40793115
Right. Now who is god?
Just because Christians are morons does not mean Christianity itself is false or filled with lies. That only checks out when you let Christians define their narrative and you play along. Just read the damn thing and realize that YHWH isn't god and consider that THAT is Jesus's message. Real God is beyond all this. None of this really matters: it isn't real reality and that's why real God does absolutely nothing about it. This experiment is failed. We are simply spinning in circles here until we figure that out and just leave. Nothing that happened here really actually matters to real you. This is basically a dream and expecting god to make this right is literally like expecting the government to give a shit about your nightmares last night.
The guy "in charge" and who "made" all this is a false God. He's a loser who calls himself god and whose hustle is to convince us he's god. He is in control of literally EVERY terrestrial system and controls the mainstream narrative by controlling the church and the state.
None of this stuff is "real." God does not care. God sees the failure of the charlatan is absolute and your eventual awakening is inevitable. Cheers.

>>40793622
And before you retort like you're arguing with a mainstream Christian about "muh God Daddy"not being all good and all love if he doesn't care, conside that I don't really care about what my 2 year old daughter was screaming about dead asleep last night. I picked her up and cuddled her and just let her scream her terrifying fantasy out because it's a dream and does not matter. I see God as more like that. Still responsible for your every comfort.

>>40793645
"God" wants us to worship him because it is literally him making real God concede as he see it. If we are all God, we are losing faith in ourself here.

>>40791759
You are a fucking idiot who has not add anything of value to the thread
In fact, you are paranormal in the sense that Jesus himself said that theres was dense people so idiotic with eyes and ears closed that they needed to be talked to in parables
You are that idiot, you are like one of those peasants that Jesus patiently talked to, the difference is that any those borderline retarded peasants arent as insufferable and stupid as you are

>>40793622
>Real God is beyond all of this
The Real "God" according to your made up interpretation is some powerless retard that cant do shit while some powerful sadistic psycho created all of this
Your made up interpretation is useless

>>40793692
See literally any esoteric interpretation and feel free to come back when you have something to offer the discussion besides grunts and brick walls. Real God is the dreamer of this entire experience, and myriad other things: all things you could imagine in fact (and that is why people travel to myriad other places and call it fancy shit like Astral projection). The charlatan "in charge" here is an abomination created by similar but lesser beings, an inception within which we are not bound. We are here because the divine feminine has imbued us with a fragment of the eternal and the divine and we call this a lot of things: a soul, a consciousness, whatever. It is you and it is eternal in a way that the thing in charge here is not eternal. What you do not perceive is that time is not real essentially; everything in terms of duration is already absolute from the perspective of higher planes, dimensions. Call them whatever you want.
"My interpretation " is what literally any religion will tell you if you dive into its esoteric or occult traditions. I'm just spelling it out kindly for you like a good king, since you seem so peasantly and dense.
Perhaps what we actually are is God, and what we're doing is overcoming the thing in charge here.
Perhaps its very existence and creation itself happened because many things exist in all of creation, and all things imbued with the divine spark create, though we are individually imperfect.
Tl;Dr: YHWH is the bad guy, canonically. He isn't even God. God didn't even make him. He's an imperfect being of another of God's good intentioned creations.
And literally ALL things you can imagine literally exist within God, the O.G. Aeon, the big bang himself.

>>40791328 (OP)
You know, you can be with the angels without praising and loving God. You don't have to. God anyway doesn't care about the opinions of people. But for humans, reaching heaven is the spiritual goal, the liberation, and the demons are the enemies of humanity and want to kill and enslave people.

>>40791328 (OP)
Lol you actually believe those beings exist? Hahaha lool

>>40795369
You don't? It is I who lol.