Thread 40793061

My friend is an agnostic atheist and is thinking of going to roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox confession. He says he has thoughts of hurting himself and doesn't feel comfortable speaking to a therapist for example because he doesn't want to be involuntarily hospitalized. He doesn't feel repentance for his thoughts of wanting to hurt himself or other nor does he feel repentance for the other things he has done which would be considered a sin. He thinks if he goes to confession he will tell the priest I've done this crime or that crime and may kill myself soon and I don't feel bad about these things and will probably continue to do them again in the future.
If he says this all in confession will everything my friend said remain sealed? When does the seal technically start and end especially for someone who doesn't even believe in it?

self bump for my friend who needs help

>>40793168
you can't bump your own thread dumbass; here, have a bump

>>40793061 (OP)
Your “friend” (wink wink) should go to confession. I’m catholic or was so I don’t know how it exactly works for non Catholics. But I think you just go in the confessional and everything you say I think will be kept secret. Well I think I remember hearing priests talk about what people have said in confessional at mass before but didn’t say their names or anything.

Honestly though me myself I just couldn’t trust it much anymore knowing about jew tricks. And the Catholics like almost everyone else seem to be blackmailed or threatened by jews. But it sounds like your friend really needs to get stuff off their chest and it most likely won’t hurt to go. Could try talking to Jesus alone in their bedroom first also.

>>40793218
What about Eastern Orthodox

>>40793061 (OP)
>he doesn't want to be involuntarily hospitalized
how fucking schizo is your friend that this a genuine concern?
are you two aware that almost no one ever gets forcefully institutionalized when they talk to a therapist, because therapists are just normal people who spent 5+ years studying to make "listen to people whine" their official job title, and not a literal thought police?

>>40793260
I've heard therapists will involuntarily hospitalize people who made a plan about how to end their own life

>>40793061 (OP)
Who the fuck knows?

>>40793315
The official policy of the Catholic or Eastern Orthodox churches? Lots of people but not me

>>40793291
They can actually. They do it.

Unrelated, my government assigned therapist fell in love with me and would support me even if I went against my psychiatrists orders lol
Like, she would be like 'Huh, I like, huh. If you feel better without medication I... huh...'
I don't think you should do that, Hon. I do appreciate the support.

I am the ugliest chad you will ever see

>>40793348
I hate psychiatrists

Priests rape kids, not sure why you'd even think about trusting them with anything.

>>40793364
Catholic priests aren't allowed to get married. I don't think that most of them are pedophiles but Eastern Orthodox priests are allowed to get married and have kids

The jesuits are the largest and strongest intelligence apparatus in the world. The last people I would spill to...

>Is the confessional seal totally absolute
It is, priests have lost their lives over it.
However it is not what your friend is looking for or needs, firstly one needs to be member of the church through baptism to confess, secondly for it to be at all efficable one does need to feel repentance. That having been said intrusive thoughts are not sinful if one does not wish for them, so there is no need to confess them.
Important: You can't go to confession if you're not part of the church.

Confession is for sins committed after baptism to be confessed briefly and with firm contrition. It is not a therapy session, the priest's commentary is sparse if at all.
It's a sacrament, a ritual, not a discussion.

If your friend wishes to speak to a priest about his problems he should do so outside of the confessional, clergy houses tend not to be crowded so he can talk in privacy and I don't think the pastor has a stake in ratting him out to the pharma guys. Just send an e-mail or phone the parish if you want to sit down and have a talk, these guys are paid to listen and guide their flock.

>>40793291
>people who made a plan about how to end their own life
no, they involuntarily lock up people who, when asked
> do you plan to end your life?
answer sincerely (or at all) with
>yeah, wanna know how?
because these people are clearly too stupid to even do something illegal in secret, and thus cannot be trusted in any polite company

>>40793431
>If your friend wishes to speak to a priest about his problems he should do so outside of the confessional, clergy houses tend not to be crowded so he can talk in privacy and I don't think the pastor has a stake in ratting him out to the pharma guys.

Just trust me bro

>>40793411
I'll hedge my bets and keep my family away from all of them.

>>40793499
As long as you also keep them out of public schools. Having developing boys be lectured and bossed around by women seems insanely fucked up to me.

>>40793504
The thing is we have a faggot problem in the world. That’s why people usually don’t trust male teachers.

>>40793061 (OP)
No the Catholic church has used confessions as blackmail for centuries.

>>40793530
Only hire male teachers with a wife and kids?

>>40793548
Proof?

>>40793364
At a rate that's exponentially lower than just about every other institution with access to children.

>>40793779
plenty of wife-and-kid-havers are closet faggots who like little boys.

>>40793889
A single case is inexcusable, apologist.

>>40794198
There's rape literally everywhere you have to be pragmatic and weigh the risks and pros and cons

>>40794211
Ok pedophile

>>40793061 (OP)
What would be the point of confession without repentance? That's called bragging.

Confession is about identifying past behaviour that you are turning away from - not gloating over.

God already knows our sin OP, and knows your intent here, it would be foolish to continue to mock God like this - if you want to confess, then do it for the right reason.

I've had some thoughts about this.. how cool would it be if someone installed some device in there, like some kind of microphone.. even better if none of the confessional priests knew about it. All that was required was some jesuit priest to be around and ask some intel agency to do it for him when there aren't other priests around, probably could ask directly from mossad since they brought down the mcafee apartment

>>40794255
>What would be the point of confession without repentance? That's called bragging.

Not necessarily bragging. It's wanting advice on subjects that may not be able to be discussed outside confession without serious consequences (involuntary hospitalizations). Even venting because there's literally no where else to do it

>God already knows our sin OP, and knows your intent here, it would be foolish to continue to mock God like this - if you want to confess, then do it for the right reason.

But only if God is real. What about someone that has been baptized and everything but is agnostic?

>>40793061 (OP)
Yes they don't tell anyone. It's between you, the priest, and God.

>>40794331
that's good

>>40794691
>putting smartphone on airplane mode is not going to be enough

>>40793061 (OP)
Well, first of all, unless the priest is recording it, which would literally get him defrocked, he is probably just going to stay there and hear the next confession once your friend leaves. Literally breaking the seal of confession means the priest is no longer a priest. They can only mention it anonymously. If the priest tries to tell on him, just deny it, if the priest was recording it, say you were lying, I dunno man, your friend seems schizo.

The thing is, until he is confirmed, the confession is not legitimate.

>>40793291
Yeah, therapists are legally obligated to snitch. They may not all do it, but don't trust a therapist with anything like this ever.

>>40796365
That's what soundproof faraday cases are for

>>40796732
based advice giver
the world is a better place with more people like you in it

You're better off telling a lawyer than a slimy jew worshipping pedophile

>>40799240
Lawyers can and are supposed to snitch on future crimes or self harm plans.

>>40799631
They're also supposed to hold some ideals about truth and justice but we all know money is their true god

>>40793061 (OP)
>will everything my friend said remain sealed?
Depends on the priest, some are very gossipy and others downright call the cops at times and justify themselves as helping you so be careful, most don't really care and will just tell you to repeat the Ave Maria 3 times.

>>40799670
Proof?

>>40793431
>If your friend wishes to speak to a priest about his problems he should do so outside of the confessional
Normies from outside the religion can just go talk to a priest and the priest will make time for that shit? That's kinda cool desu even though I'm not OP and not in OP's position.

>>40799735
In theory. Yes.
In practice? Maybe sometimes.
The last time I went to confession I felt rushed. I read somewhere of two priests going to a prison and doing about 60 confessions in a couple hours. Obviously that’s good but I’d think most people in prison or not would need at least 30 minutes to really get their sins out. So things are rushed all the time and probably even priests just want to get back home and use the internet instead of talking to nobodies in real life.

>>40799762
I've spoken to a priest for about an hour in confession before I called ahead and made an appointment.

>>40793061 (OP)
>My friend is an agnostic atheist and is thinking of going to roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox confession.
Tell your "friend" that he literally can go to any church at confessional hours and do it without having to join the church.
>crimes
If your "friend" doesn't feel bad about hurting himself, he might have deeper problems than just the need to vent, if your friend doesn't feel bad about hurt others, he has way deeper problems that just needing to vent his conscience.

>>40801023
>Tell your "friend" that he literally can go to any church at confessional hours and do it without having to join the church.

What if there's a line

>>40801258
There was a line I thought I could wait until the end but then service started right after there wasn't really any time for me I guess I could've went in during the last few minutes when it was empty but I missed my chance

>>40793061 (OP)
The irony is if it weren't for Christians it'd be legal to take your own life and you could talk to a therapist, friend or whoever without them being able to have you hospitalized against your will for planning to kill yourself.
poisoning you and selling you the cure like the kikes they are

>>40793226
NTA but I would imagine the seal of confession is held by the EO as well. Conservative/confessional Lutheran pastors are also bound by the seal of confession by their ordination vows. No idea about any of the others; the more conservative ones might, but those I know for sure.