I love god as much as he loves me. That's fair. And seeing as how my father in heaven let me raped as a child to preserve other people's free will, it is abundantly clear that he doesn't love me at all.

Why do you think God has wronged you and not the people that have actually wronged you.
You are owed in spades for being attacked. Let God help you rectify it instead of perpetuating the cycle.

>>40836517
>I am "perpetuating the cycle" for being angry at god for letting it happen in the first place

Victim blaming

Every single time a child is raped god is there watching and does nothing
>but dont worry bro the rapists will be punished later after they die!

>>40836560
>God isn't fair
How would you know? What if god decided he would give you everything you ever wanted next year July 1st. You have two choices in this world, be wicked or be good. No matter how much you argue fairness, being wicked never becomes the right choice.

>>40836467 (OP)
Based
>>40836517
If a man could stop a child from being raped at no risk to himself but instead chose to stand there and watch it happen, would you not think him a monster? Why should God be held to a different standard?

>thinking of god in an abrahamic framework
There's your first mistake.

Pandeist take:
I like to believe that god is pre-universe. That and that god became the universe, aka went dormant, split up into everything, or "died".
This explains why god does not interact with humans or anything else in the universe directly, as god/divine power is currently split up between all the matter in the universe and is in its current state more akin to a universal energy/force underlying everything, rather than a whole intelligent being as it was previously before the universe as we know it.
I also like to believe that when the universe collapses back upon itself that god will be 'reborn' and we will become a part of god again and expirience everything that ever was in one moment.
Hence the reason why we should be good. If we make our life virtuous and kind to ourselves and others, the better 'heaven'/oneness with god/the universe will be, even if by a little bit. We will live the lives of every other person, every other animal and plant. We will be the stones in nature, the dust in the stars. All at once in eternity as part of god.
In your case your rapist will also live your life and you will live his. He will have to experience what you went through and feel the pain that he caused you.
Similar to how you only remember a dream after you wake up, God is 'unconscious' and cannot effect the dream that is reality/the universe in its current state, Just view the whole thing after god "wakes up"/the universe recombines.

but who knows, that's just a bunch of woo woo mud.

>>40836467 (OP)
My sympathies are with you OP, rape is no laughing matter and I hope one day you are able to recover and find peace. However I will ask about what you are referring to when you bring free will into the conversation, are you suggesting the solution to evil is the erasure of free will?

>>40836719
>Why should God be held to a different standard?
Because his is literally god. Modern society has convinced you we know everything. So naturally, we assume we know what god "should" do when someone is raped. But there is a problem with this worldview.

The problem is that you're comparing your meek conscious experience with a being who created earth in 7 days (not comparable). Don't assume what he should and shouldn't do, just try your best to be good, both to yourself, and others while you're alive.

>>40836719
No conversation should be taken to extremes in a such a manner but since you set the precedent let met ask you something. In dairy farms vows are artificially inseminated or "raped" and then seperated from their offspring, being impregnated and defiled to serve our petty needs. Do you plan on going vegan? If not why do humans deserve special treatment if we neglect the sanctity of other beings?

>>40836728
how many times has god done this? splitting up and merging back to one? how many times have i been here in this exact moment? why does he want to do this for ever? has he gone completely insane? can i get out this ride somehow?

>>40836793
>"Because his is literally god."
>christniggers reduced to arguing for indifference to child rape

The reality of God is that he's neither omnipotent or omniscient, more like the primeval flow of the universe knitting itself together in space. He's still a child, overall. He can't stop the stupid assholes of the world and he weeps for it constantly. He's shared <0.0000001% of his burden with me before and I cried for an entire day over it. It's rough, but the world is slowly getting better as the darkness recedes behind us. One day we'll have real, hard solutions for rapists and maybe even memory rewrites and such that can just rip the trauma out of our bodies and foster mental healing. One say soon, I hope.

>>40836850
>indifference to child rape
Your reading comprehension has gotten rusty since you graduated kindergarten. Care to explain your argument? No reply means you don't actually have an argument.

>>40836887
His refusal to stop it is proof of his indifference to child rape. His power is infinite, it would cost him literally nothing to stop it for eternity. But he chooses not to. There is no excuse for this.

>>40836887
The fake christians spreading their heresies and "arguments" all over the place are about as anti-God as it comes. They're demonic in nature, spirit, and mentality. They can't accept that God built us in His image and as such has shortcomings too, because they're fragile hateful children that need an iron tyrant to justify their complete lack of morality. They do not have God or the spirits' favor and go to very bad places when they die.

>>40836897
>>40836894

>>40836900
How is a being made of universal filaments and cosmic particles supposed to reach down into Earth and stop child rape? Can your each down into your own gut flora and stop diarrhea? Just the slightest touch would wipe out our galaxy. He can't save us from our own failures because He made us in His image, with all the freedom of choice and mental power to define the universe that entails. It's the indifference from humanity that allows rapists and child traffickers to continue destroying children's souls. This is a problem we could end within years if we went at it full force.

>>40836887
Are christians even capable of replying without being snarky faggots?

>>40836828
what you're saying is children are allowed to be raped because cows are, and you think of yourself as the moral one lmao

>>40836467 (OP)
God is a retarded tranny who demonstrates every day that he hates me by forcing me to exist as the sole frame of reference for material reality and only persistently real person in the world so that he can dominate and abuse me through everyone else who he controls as a retarded tranny hivemind, he rapes my mind every second of every day and terrorizes, harasses, abuses, threatens etc me for literally anything I think or do through his retarded tranny minions, he raped me as a child through his retarded faggot puppet yes and he continues to sexually abuse me now through his other retarded puppets. There's no such thing as "free will" except for God and his retarded tranny minions, God believes in "free will" in the sense that he believe that he should be allowed to do whatever he wants to me without consequence through everyone else on earth, but he doesn't believe I should have "free will" whatsoever, or even free thought, as he rapes my mind every second of every day and abuses me for literally anything I think and also for anything I do

>>40836793
>Because his is literally god.
You're admitting then that your morality amounts to might makes right. God is more powerful than humans therefore he isn't held to the same standards as us.
>>40836828
Cows are not sapient beings.

>>40836894
You bring up an extremely valid argument here. But to quote the book of Job, it doesn't really matter how fair things are. It's not up to you (because you didn't create earth). No matter how unfair life is at the end of the day, we still exist and are given a choice by god. We either do good or do bad.

OP has one choice, he can either spite god by doing evil things, or choose to be good despite everything. There's only one right answer here and it's not an easy path.

>>40836836
OR here. In my Agnostic Pandeistic Absurdist Taoist view of the universe:
We don't know. For all we know, this is the first time, or infinite.
Maybe for god it is as simple as going to bed each day? Or perhaps it was a great undertaking to become the universe? Maybe god made a sacrifice of some kind? Or perhaps god itself is suicidal and wanted to experience temporary non-existence by becoming the universe? It is inpossible to know.
My take on Pandeisim is not like a lot of other religious beliefs, there are many aspects we still don't understand.
Perhaps anon, all these questions you have will be answered once we die/become a part of god again. Or maybe not.
There is no certainty besides the fact that we cannot truly know these answers in our current existence.
My advice is to just go with it, Even if things don't make sense.
Things that are out of our control and there is no use worrying about the correct answers. The only thing we can do is guess and hope, which is what I am doing currently.

>>40836828
>vegan
>hurr durr I'm supposed to be allowed to rape children
yeah that tracks

>>40836929
same anon here

>Are christians even capable of replying without being snarky faggots?
yes but you'll have to use a (((different website))) if you want to find them.

>Because his is literally god

>>40836947
What I'm saying is that God, if one were to anthromorphize such a being to the sensibilities of humans, can't show favoritism towards one species then allow us to impede upon and violate the autonomy of others. If humans are given absolute authority over other species doesn't that present a conflict of interest?

>>40836954
/thread

>>40836961
>But to quote the book of Job, it doesn't really matter how fair things are. It's not up to you (because you didn't create earth)
So basically you just want me to peacefully submit to being the subject of a cosmic tyrant and despot

Fuck you.

>>40836954
>>40836996

>>40836988
Nope. Humans are made in God's image. Animals aren't. They have no mind. Animals and humans aren't equal. God says so, and human science says so too. You are mocking God as well as humanity with your faggoty onions vegan child rapist agenda. All you're looking for is an excuse to be an asshole towards humans because in your warped mind they deserve it for eating a fucking cow. You're mentally ill

>>40836467 (OP)

It's because of the karma that everyone of us has accrued over the whole of our existence, starting with the rebellion in heaven.

>>40836998
You might not realize it but you are also quoting Job. Job thought the same exact thing, he cursed god for having treated him so unfairly.

>So basically you just want me to peacefully submit to being the subject of a cosmic tyrant and despot
I don't, you have no idea how badly I wish things were different. But the reality is we aren't as strong as whoever created us (be it aliens or god or spirits or whatever). The only choices we have are to be evil, kill ourselves, or be good to each-other. It is self evident that we should be good to each-other, that much is hard to argue against.

>>40837048
>he cursed god for having treated him so unfairly.
But then God gave him a NEW family and that made it all better. Unlike Job I am not a pre-bronze age Jew, so my family that I lose aren't replaceable commodities.

>>40837045
>Nope. Humans are made in God's image. Animals aren't. They have no mind. Animals and humans aren't equal. God says so
Animals are conscious and have personalities. They are not unlike very mentally disabled humans. They are worthy of dignity and respect and love.

>>40837048
>I don't, you have no idea how badly I wish things were different
God could make it different instantly, with a snap of his fingers, if he was half as good hearted as you are. He isn't. "God" is your enemy. And he's not the creator of the universe either. He keeps us trapped on this soul farm. We need to kill him.

>>40837069
Sure, but you can eat them regardless. Thats how nature works. Just say thank you afterwards. No disrespect necessary

>>40837087
God is evil for designing an eco system where conscious feeling animals need to kill each other to survive.

>>40836929
Narcissists always get really ugly when you don't agree with them.

>>40836988
Ideally factory farms wouldn't exist either but I don't see why you think the fact that they do is a point in your god's defense.

>>40836467 (OP)
>hurr dur bad thing happen
>that means God is bad too
You should be raped again for being this retarded, faggot. Shame they stopped.

>>40837061
Forget about Job for a second, and ask yourself what we as humans should do. Honestly ask yourself that question. Would you want us to all spite god and be evil like OP is implying? That would be terrible, truly imagine that world. Imagine walking outside and knowing that every other human was out to hurt you. This is why we should suck it up and be good to each-other.

>>40837116
You're not helping your case at all, bud.
>>40837118
>Forget about Job for a second
No, I won't.
>Would you want us to all spite god and be evil like OP is implying?
WHERE did I imply that you should be evil? I'm saying YHWH is evil. Period.

>>40837116
christcuck love everybody. the agape assholery of paul on full display

>>40836467 (OP)
We all experience horrendous shit in our life time, get over yourself. You're not special. You're just going to piss God off by not getting with the program because you mistook yourself for exempt. We are all raped in our own way. You could've been born blind, crippled, all sorts of options, and there are plenty of examples of those suffering those fates who still have faith.

You have a you problem, not a God problem.

>>40837105
go on then, make a better ecosystem you faggot

>>40837116
Funny how quick Christians are to show their complete lack of empathy when someone doesn't buy their bullshit.

>>40837116
>t. your average Christian when you prove them wrong

>>40837141
I definitely could, if my goal was life without needless suffering. That wasn't his aim, though.

>>40837140
More christian "love" on display.

>>40837143
What's funny is christians being expected (rightfully) to be empathetic, but atheists not being empathetic is just treated as a given.
It's like a subtle acknowledgement that christians are better people, or at least have better values.
>Hurr durr you're a Christian so you're not allowed to be shitty! But I'm a atheist so I can torture whoever I want :^)

>>40837159
>says someone deserves to be raped because he isn't part of your cult
>gets called out on it
>bluh bluh whatabout atheists tho
Shameful display.

>>40837123
>>40837139
>>40837143
>>40837150
Not a Christian you dipshit fucking niggers lmao kill yourselves.
The logic is fucking stupid and you're stupid for not seeing it. If God is bad b3cause bad things happen then God is also good because good things happen, but you'll never admit it because
>God is mean :(

>>40837169
>gets called out on it
That's the point. With Christians there ARE things to be called out on, because we actually have values. When it's a atheist being shitty, there's nothing to be called out on, since there's no values that come with it. You get to have the cake and eat it too.

I'm not the person who said that btw

>>40837140
God could have designed a universe where no one is raped or crippled. He decided to make people be raped and crippled as a deliberate design choice, and you call him good. You don't know what good is

>>40837181
God doesn't call rape good though
Calling God evil doesn't take away the fact that rape exists. What exactly are you contributing to solving the problem is evil and suffering here besides whining?

I'm not the anon you're replying to btw

>>40837123
>WHERE did I imply that you should be evil?
You didn't, and I apologize that I didn't make it clear in my reply. Re-read my post and you will find I didn't imply you wanted anyone to be evil.

>Would you want us to all spite god and be evil like OP is implying
My question here wasn't rhetorical or sarcastic. If your answer is we should be good to each-other instead of evil, you might have more in common with the bible than you think. Seriously, you seem like a good guy.

>>40837140
>We are all raped in our own way.

>>40836467 (OP)
>>40837123
So your logic is
>he doesn't love me at all because I was raped as a child to preserve other people's free will.
Breaking it down it would go
>With God's love = good things happen me
>Without God's love = bad things happen to me
What about Christ then? He was brutally whipped, impaled and crucified. So God doesn't love Christ because bad things happened to Christ? I'd say God loves you a lot more then you think.

So the question becomes, why does God let bad things happen to good people?

Romans 5:3-5:
"Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope."

1 Peter 4:12-13:
"Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed."


So the word states that we should be glad. For like a sword tempered by the hottest flames we endure. The temperance of loss and pain aid us. They strengthen our resolve as we become closer to Christ.

1 Peter 4:12-19
24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Personally, I've been through a ton of rough shit I don't like to talk about. But rather then let it eat me from the inside out I use it to strengthen my resolve both in God and in my life.

I hope your doing ok OP and will be praying for you.
>>40837116
>>40837140
Not that these folks did not give any verses from the Bible. Their message is the opposite of Christs.

Luke 6:27-36
27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

>>40837177
Oh, you're just an insecure piece of shit who puts down others to feel better about himself. Pathetic.

>>40837178
The fact that you don't think people can have values without fear of being tortured forever really says a lot about you.

>>40837193
>I hope your doing ok OP and will be praying for you.
You won't. More virtue signalling

>>40837155
k, i'll wait

>>40837198
I never said that, I said atheist in itself does not come with values. You can share your values with me if you'd like and we can compare them

>>40837186
>God doesn't call rape good though
Then why did he create it? Why is it physically possible in the universe he deliberately designed, to rape children? It's not a bug. It's a feature.

>>40837205
He did not create it, that's a uncharitable assumption on your part. He did allow it to happen though. As for why, I don't know, it would unfortunately be up to the victim to figure out why it happened. But being full of anger certainly isn't going to aid your judgement.

>>40837200
The difference is, I am not actually an infinitely powerful being. I can't create any universe. God is, and he DELIBERATELY CHOSE to create a universe where people are raped and crippled and maimed. What's your excuse for that?

>>40837204
Why are you bringing up atheists out of nowhere? Do you think atheist and Christian are the only two things someone can be?

>>40837213
>>40837210
He did create it. He is omniscient, he sees all possibilities. The moment he created universe where rape was possible, he created rape.

>>40837210
>As for why, I don't know, it would unfortunately be up to the victim to figure out why it happened.
Holy shit this is psychopathic.

>>40837215
I just invited you to share whatever it is you are with me, and how you address the problem of evil and suffering

>>40837221
NTA, Do you think atheist and Christian are the only two things someone can be?

>>40837220
Why is it psychopathic for someone to figure out why something happened to them? That seems like the natural sequence of events. Actually it seems like what we are already doing here. Is everyone here psychopathic trying to figure out why their suffering exists?

>>40837217
Humans have the spark of God within them and in turn they have godlike power. The only way to prevent rape would be to take away our spark and lessen our power and in a way revoke our free will. Is that something you would allow just for the purpose of a just world?

>>40837177
>Arguing in favor of a religion he doesn't believe in
holy shit kill yourself you pissant kike apologist. Literally seething and bootlicking something you don't even believe exists LMFAO. Nothing you say should ever be taken seriously.

>>40837225
No.

>>40837199
Sorry, I didn't mean to offended you. Just wanted to let you know someone hears you and care's about you. That way you might feel comforted.

>>40837228
There isn't some life lesson that someone was raped as a kid to learn, the reason he was raped was that some asshole saw an opportunity and took it. You assume there's a deeper reason for it because you can't admit that if your god was real he'd be a monster.

>>40837229
Free will is just a phrase that sounds nice to emotionally driven retards and here you are using it to defend child rape, take a fucking look at yourself.

>>40837248
>There isn't some life lesson that someone was raped as a kid to learn
There is no possible way you could know that. The victim owes it to themself to investigate potential reasons. For you to take that away from them is horribly sadistic. They want understanding

>>40837229
>the power of God is to rape people
brilliant

>>40837256
Holy shit this is a legitimately horrific mindset for someone to have.

>>40837262
Understanding why it happened is how people can begin the healing process.

What do you find horrific about it? I find the idea that people suffer for literally no reason to be far more horrifying, and insensitive.

>>40837256
What's there to learn? Malicious creep has a penis that gets hard at kids and is an evil piece of shit that acts on it? The little child dressed in the wrong little short shorts that day? What exactly are you trying to imply they should learn? Give examples.

>>40837256
>For you to take that away from them is horribly sadistic.
NTA. Insane take in context.

>>40837268
>Understanding why it happened is how people can begin the healing process.
You seem to be missing the point. For whatever reason it happened, it is apparent that God saw it fit and permissible for him to be raped as a child.

>>40837268
The fact that you're trying to pass child rape off as Actually A Good Thing because the alternative would be that the shit you've chosen to believe is wrong.

>>40837275
This contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation

>>40836728
>>40836963
>type out my thought out wordsoup replies
>only one (you)
>nobody wants to discuss
>entire thread is then filled with christcucks and atheists bickering.
>Rigid materialistic mentality vs Spouting bible quotes
same as it ever was. Abrahamic discussion is as it usually is, a theological and philosophical glue-trap.

>>40837268
What do you mean WHY it happened? Are you retarded? Everybody knows why it happened. The same reason any other child rape happens. What are you suggesting? Little Anon should have been more careful? Clothes too revealing? Basically asking for it? You're dumb as fuck lmao

>>40836467 (OP)
This didn't happen. You are a total fraud who wants to get people thinking that non-event is why they should hate God. Good game dummy.
>>40837280
Thanks for proving OP is a double bubble faggot.

>>40837273
>>40837276
>>40837287
There's no reason I could sit here and contrive to satisfy you. It would be personal for that person. I am speaking out of principle. The rape happened. This is a fact. Now you can either try to make sense of it in a bigger picture or you can be pissed off and decide that it happened for no reason because God is evil and the universe hates you. I happen to believe what I'm putting forth leads to a happier and more functional person.
>>40837278
I certainly never said it was good. Evil to read that into what I'm saying. It makes me not want to engage.

>>40837279
Okay, I will try to elaborate. From my perspective, recognizing the meaninglessness of certain events is an important part of accepting and healing from them. Other people insisting to victims on their cope that everything happens for some good higher reason is very knotting-up and cognitive-dissonance provoking. It makes bad things good and twists morality on its head.

>>40837290
>The rape happened. This is a fact.
And God apparently decided it was good, so didn't stop it. What part of what I'm saying are you having a hard time with?

>>40837290
You didn't even try to answer because it's morally indefensible. You define your entire morality by "God said so" which means you're completely immoral in your entirety. This is why Christianity has been ejected wholesale from public life as real moral frameworks have taken over society. You can't just get your way with bloodshed and torture anymore, and we've had enough of your insanity.

>>40837290
So you're saying it was God's plan/Fate/The Universe or whatever. A life lesson to learn? Karma? Been bad in a past life? Thats way more sadistic and condescending than just the common sense explanation: vulnerable person in the wrong place at the wrong time, completely out of their control. Suggesting anything else is insanely arrogant

>>40837288
>This didn't happen. You are a total fraud
So you're saying I am lying about being raped as a child?

>>40837321
Yes, because this is the internet. Women get told "tits or GTFO" and you get called a fag with a Wattpad fantasy. Cry about it.

>>40837325
>Yes, because this is the internet.
Heccin based oldfag who doesn't care about litbard snowflakes feelings!!

>>40837300
How do you decide which events are meaningless, and why would reducing something that is inherently extremely meaningful to them (that they were raped) to meaninglessness help them to heal? youd sit across from a rape victim and tell them that this is meaningless and happened for no reason? I certainly wouldn't tell them it was good it happened, but we can have a conversation to figure out why it happened, and that potentially could be good.
>>40837302
The rape is not good, God does not decide that. But why do you refuse to accept that good can come out of evil? Is the only the possible outcome that evil must always lead to more evil forever in a perpetual cycle?
>>40837309
All moral values are appeals to authority. God happens to be the highest possible authority. What is your moral framework?

>>40837336
>The rape is not good, God does not decide that.
Then why did he let it happen?
>But why do you refuse to accept that good can come out of evil?
He couldn't have designed a good outcome that didn't necessitate a child being raped?
>Is the only the possible outcome that evil must always lead to more evil forever in a perpetual cycle?
So I'm evil now for not loving a god who allowed me to be raped as a child?

>>40837321
If that's what happened my sympathies are with you but with that in mind it's foolish for you to assume people on 4chan will be paragons of virtue, you do know that this site is notorious for trolling and cyberbullying?

>>40837341
>you do know that this site is notorious for trolling and cyberbullying?
Not since like 2010-2012. Now they're all pretend christians who act as if they are the paragon of virtue. That's what makes their indifference disgusting.

>>40837344
>pretend Christians
I'm not pretending to be anything.

>>40837340
>Then why did he let it happen?
I don't know. I only know suffering exists, and meaning exists, and my suffering has had meaning. The victim is going to need to go on a journey to figure out why it happened
>He couldn't have designed a good outcome that didn't necessitate a child being raped?
Once again, I don't know. But this isn't the right question to ask. What happened is what happened, now we figure out why. We cannot look into alternate versions of reality.
>So I'm evil now for not loving a god who allowed me to be raped as a child?
I never called you evil in that green text.

>>40837356
>now we figure out why.
Because God is evil? That seems the most self evident answer.

>>40837366
How do you define good if not by the highest possible authority?

>>40837356
You're still thick as fuck. There is no why. The why question has been solved long ago. You don't get to speculate that. Know your place you dumb arrogant fuck. What is it with christians? They're thick as pig shit but still think themselves better than anyone else even though their moral depravity is clearly visble like with this dumb asshole. This faggot really doesn't realize how exceptionallly insulting it is to talk to rape victims that way. The only way for you to realize this is to get traumatized yourself you sheltered fuck

>>40837336
>All moral values are appeals to authority. God happens to be the highest possible authority. What is your moral framework?
No, they don't. Morality from authority is not morality at all, it is slavery to arbitrary opinions from tyrants. I follow Buddhism, which does not appeal to authority to construct its morality but appeals to the mutual benefit and synergy of acting morally towards others. There are many other moral frameworks like objectivism that have no authority component either.

A child has nothing to learn from being raped, it is simply senseless, brutal violence. People are attacking you en masse in this thread because trying to defend it as "God's plan" is flat out mentally ill and not at all in line with God's actual plan. God is full of love and benevolence towards all his children, he does not plan hardship and harms especially flowing from others. Maybe you should try meditating on Christ mentality, not the psychotic preacher who taught damnation and hellfire, and you might one day have a real relationship with God like the people arguing against you do.

>>40837384
You can't think clearly if you are angry

>>40837385
>Morality from authority is not morality at all, it is slavery to arbitrary opinions from tyrants. I follow Buddhism, which does not appeal to authority to construct its morality but appeals to the mutual benefit and synergy of acting morally towards others.
But why is that good? You did not actually provide a moral standard, you only gave a rough definition of morality.

>>40837336
>youd sit across from a rape victim and tell them that this is meaningless and happened for no reason
I would expect that to be their position without me saying anything unless the rapist had been playing some serious mind games on them or they were previously the victim of an abuser who played mind games on them
>we can have a conversation to figure out why it happened
What kind of reasons do you have to offer aside from "the rapist's own psychology was screwed up and you were unfortunate"? Maybe it's worth recognizing if there's some way the victim could have acted differently to avoid the situation, but I wouldn't call that giving meaning to it or explaining "why" in some truly satisfactory way.
>How do you decide which events are meaningless
If an event has no inherent higher value and everything could've been just fine without it happening. It's meaningless. I would say all true suffering and evil is meaningless. The world could easily do without it, which is why we try prevent it and correct for it.

>>40837396
I just did, asshole. Speak for yourself. You can't think clearly if you're a morally depraved christcuck telling rape victims they need to go on a journey to find out WHY they were raped even though the why-question isn't even on any sane persons mind. You might as well ask why it rains or why you can see the stars at night

>>40837407
What are you talking about? I said I was Buddhist, which implies I follow the Pali Canon and the Five Precepts. You wouldn't know anything about my religion though, because you don't know anything about your own or God's will either. I can't believe you're trying to continue this argument in such a graceless fashion, but I'm not too surprised. I've seen the fake Christian lack of ethos and morality all too often. Even God has Satan the Accuser to directly accuse him when his morality is failing. You wouldn't know about that angel either I suppose, you probably call him the Devil even though he has the AUTHORITY to challenge God's decisions.

>>40837417
This entire thread is predicated on the why question. Or are you just trying to persuade me to be angry like you? I'd rather have peace

>>40837420
First of all, calm down. Let's be grownups
>I said I was Buddhist, which implies I follow the Pali Canon and the Five Precepts.
Why? What makes these documents a true moral standard?

>>40837423
>This entire thread is predicated on the why question.
And you conveniently don't know the answer, while also definitely claiming that God is wholly good and not evil. What if the answer is God IS evil? Has that possibility ever even entered your mind?

>>40837423
Your morally bankrupt idea of peace is children getting raped and then being blamed for being raped, accused that they should figure out the reasons why a disgusting adult would abuse them so heavily. You are disgusting, and the correct response to people like you is to ostracize you from society. You are not compatible with a moralistic society trying to be better. You just want to wallow in the mud with fictions of a tyrannical "god" who can't even fight off iron chariots. You are pathetic in every way and severely mentally ill.

>>40837430
>Why? What makes these documents a true moral standard?
What makes the torah and new testament any kind of moral standard?

>>40837423
No it's not. OP believes it's because God let it happen. No why question anywhere. Just fuck off, retard

>>40837446
No you don't understand, he's supposed to contemplate the wonderful, mysterious, and HIGHER reason why God let him be raped as a child :) Praise Jesus!

>>40837430
>You are pathetic in every way and severely mentally ill.
Enough said. You don't deserve more of my attention because you're not even truly human. You're just an ape rattling off screeds from child rapists and praying to the sky to justify your lust for violence and disorder.

>>40837434
>>40837414
The most fundamental answer to the why question would be "so that you can help others who are suffering similarly". Usually it is more personal though, but that alone should suffice to begin the healing process. In this case, even "it was meaningless and you should move on" would still be projecting a meaning for them. Because it would hopeless contain positive substance
>>40837441
I never blamed the victim.
>>40837442
That's a deflection, but I'd point to the person of Jesus and his historical footprint. I hope you can answer my question now instead of continuing to deflect towards Christianity. As I said, moral standards must always appeal to a authority, you cannot escape it. We CAN discuss who the authority should be, of course, as you just appealed to the Buddhist canon

>>40837462
>The most fundamental answer to the why question would be "so that you can help others who are suffering similarly".

That just raises more questions. The fact that there are other people suffering similarly when god could easily make none of them suffer this was is further testament to his evil.

>>40837462
>Because it would hopeless contain positive substance
Hopefully*

>>40836467 (OP)
Oh quit your bitching faggot. My father was a military psychological operator who murdered the only family member who ever really loved me and destroyed my home town with heroin, poisoned water and poisoned air while passing me off to pedophiles in an operation that makes the finders look like child's play.
I still love God more than anything. God is the reason I'm going to burn these motherfucking five eyes bastards to the ground.

>>40837474
>I still love God more than anything
You never once questioned why he let that happen to you in the first place, if he's all powerful and loves you so much?

>>40837474
>lying jeet bullshit
YES SAAR WE BELIVE U

>>40837478
You don't understand God, but that was apparent in your OP you stupid fucking kike

>>40837471
>That just raises more questions.
Sure. Life is a journey and we will always have questions. Hopefully we find some small amount of answers that can provide peace rather than bitterness though
>The fact that there are other people suffering similarly when god could easily make none of them suffer this was is further testament to his evil.
This however isn't the right question. We will never have an answer for everyone's suffering, so fixating on it will only lead to madness. We can only accept, from our own perspective, that our suffering is real, and that meaning is real. I am not here to give you the meaning persay, only to say that meaning and suffering are both realities.

>>40837481
>oy vey!
over the target

>>40837462
you fuck up people even more with your supposed healing process. Absolute fraud and actually psychologically harmful

>>40837462
>The most fundamental answer to the why question would be "so that you can help others who are suffering similarly"

>>40837487
>Sure. Life is a journey and we will always have questions. Hopefully we find some small amount of answers that can provide peace rather than bitterness though
You still haven't given me even one (1) reason to love God.

>>40837490
I disagree
>>40837498
Ok
>>40837499
Well, God must, as part of being "the greatest possible being" be the ultimate source of good. As goodness is self evidently a part of greatness, correct? If as define God as evil, it begs the question where we would find goodness from

>>40837509
Isiah 45:7

Read your bible you fucking insane clown.

>>40837462
Of course you're blaming the victim. You're suggesting that it happened for any other reason than just bad luck. That alone puts pressure on the victim to find some kind of ominous 'real reason', when there isn't any. Thats not a healing process, thats the opposite of a healing process

>>40837513
God has sovereignty over evil yes. Evil occurs with his permission. Why it occurs is what I am inviting you to find out.
The idea it happens because "God is evil" is just bluster. It could not make sense philosophicallly, however also philosophically, God must also be sovereign over evil

God must simultaneously be the ultimate source of good AND sovereign over evil in order to be God. But evil is not a "created thing" just as cold is not a "created thing" but rather absence of heat, and yet we will still say "we made the room cold", not "I removed heat from the room".

Please don't insult me

>>40837513
>Read your bible you fucking insane clown.
They never see this face of God

>>40837533
>God must also be sovereign over evil
Yeah, because he created it. He is the source of good and evil. He is not just "sovereign over evil". This is what "God" truly is. Not some magical bearded man in the sky who loves you.

>>40837533
Go fuck yourself. This is the point where if you were spouting this shit IRL I would simply knock your teeth out, throw your phone and wallet down a sewer drain, and laugh as the police arrest you and give you another beating for such a piece of shit. Fucking trash fake christian, literal worshipper of evil. Kill yourself.

>>40837530
>Of course you're blaming the victim. You're suggesting that it happened for any other reason than just bad luck.
Those are not the same thing
>That alone puts pressure on the victim to find some kind of ominous 'real reason',
It isn't me who applies that pressure, it's the suffering itself that does. What you are advocating for is repression. That is why it bottles up as rage itt. Even if I'm wrong, there's no reason for lashing out.

>>40837509
Whats healing about putting confusing thoughts about magical sky reasons in an already traumatized mind? You're obviously making it worse

I wouldn't hate Christians and Jews and Muslims at all if they simply wouldn't claim that God is only good with no evil in him. The evil in God is literally visible to everyone every single day.

>>40837544
You're becoming the monster that you claim to hate. I'm just talking to you anon.

>>40837552
You're just relentlessly defending child rape and your tyrannical desert demon you call a god. It's time to just kill you pieces of shit and remove you all from the Earth. You don't belong here, you belong in the many layers of Hell prepared for the synagogue you belong to.

>>40837547
I'm not putting confused thoughts into anyone's mind, it is the suffering that does that. I am telling them that the confused thoughts (the trauma) can be sorted out.

>>40837557
based

>>40837557
I'm not defending rape
You're angry for me over something that I am not saying. Do you enjoy your anger?

>>40837545
oh sure, people like you should absolutely be lashed. Religious nutjob posing as armchair psychologist making people worse then they were before while thinking their shit doesn't stink. Jesus would have fucked your shit up for being a charlatan

>>40837560
>I am telling them that the confused thoughts (the trauma) can be sorted out.
What the OP is arguing is that God caused or allowed it in the first place, so why should he love him?

>Because he just should, OKAY?!!

>>40837567
Yes, you are. You're claiming God allowed it to fulfill some great divine plan. You are providing an excuse for child rape, when God could have prevented it at no cost to himself but chose not to

>>40837567
I fucking LOVE my hatred and anger. A real Christian would know why. A piece of shit like you, who does nothing but spread division and confusion, will never get it until the gunshot rings through your broken skull. Only in Hell, being raped yourself, will you finally get it.

>>40837570
>>40837574
>>40837576
Your anger is inhibiting your ability to reason

>>40837578
You providing no counter argument and using ad hominem instead is proof that you lost the argument

>>40837578
Jesus Christ would take the whip to you Himself. Absolute fucking puke. And He will. Just wait until the last time you close your cursed eyes.

>>40837582
>You providing no counter argument and using ad hominem
Here is a question, why did you respond that to me and not the people threatening to lash me, kill me, and knock my teeth out? Is it only because they agree with you?

>>40837560
Theres that arrogance again. You have no clue what suffering does because you're sheltered. Go get raped. You might learn something. It might be for the greater good. You fucking clown

>>40837589
>Here is a question, why did you respond that to me and not the people threatening to lash me, kill me, and knock my teeth out?
Because you are making excuses for a supposedly omniscient and omnipotent being who declined to not stop child rape when he could have at no cost to himself. That's why. I agree with those anons.

Even the worst of the worst criminals, the ones deemed "animals" by society, know that the only thing that should be given to child rapists and their defenders is a brutal death. This Law extends all the way back to pre-humanity. How sick does one have to be to go "it's a journey! just learn more about getting raped!!".

>>40837598
So you don't actually have a problem with ad hominems as long as you agree with them

>>40837598
>who declined to not stop child rape
*decided, is what I meant to write

>>40837603
It's not ad hominem at all. Your disgusting and repugnant character is the entire basis of your argument.

>>40837578
Nope. You said that already. Not true. There is a thing called righteous anger and its coming down hard on you from several anons at once. As it should, because your philosophy fucks people up even more and makes them addicted to your mind poison of trying to find reasons where all the reasons are already determined

>>40837603
This isn't debate class you literal fucking puke of humanity. You worthless child rapist defending fucking inferior. Try saying this shit in real life to someone, I dare you. You will be thrown in a mental hospital and tortured in ways you can't comprehend.

People don't actually care about suffering, they just use suffering as a vindication to justify their hate and anger.

Lucifer.

>>40837617
But I'm not the one who brought up counter arguments and ad hominems, I was replying to the other guy

>>40837630
Sorry, I'm brutally angry at the piece of shit advocating that raped children have some obligation to figure out why. It's such a puke argument it's making me physically ill. It's time for me to stop.

>>40837630
It's ad hominem if you're attacking someone's character instead of their arguments. Your arguments are completely based in your disgusting and callous character.

>>40837641
>It's ad hominem if you're attacking someone's character instead of their arguments
>Proceeds to attack my character
I'll be disengaging now

>>40837644
Your character is disgusting. You imply a greater, "good" meaning to children being raped. I am not inferring anything I am just repeating back to you what you've said throughout this thread.

>>40837644
Maybe you should reflect on yourself, truly pray to God, and you might find the revulsion in your gut that you deserve for making these stupid accusations towards raped children. Maybe Christ can still guide you.

>>40837649
>>40837650
If it being meaningless were truly the answer, you'd have peace right now and not typing death threats towards me

The suffering my words are causing you are meaningless, just stop being angry. Is that helpful?

>>40837657
No. I will never stop being angry. An ignorant little fool like you, with so little to give to the world, has no right to pick at my anger. Reflect on yourself or face eternal damnation.

>>40837657
>If it being meaningless were truly the answer
I didn't say it was meaningless. I'm saying God does this to people on purpose, because he is evil.

>>40837619
Translation:
>I don't care about suffering and don't understand why everybody is so angry about it

>>40837673
Ok but why
Is God JUST evil? Then from where do we define our goodness?

>>40837673
Brother, the true God of this world is so much more benevolent, wants so much more for us than the creatures these demons worship. Maybe it's better to separate Him from the word God, cursed as it is by these false Christians. Other cultures have names for God, like Samantabadhra, that do not carry this horrific baggage.

https://search.brave.com/search?q=what+does+samantabadhra+want+for+the+world&summary=1&conversation=26b7ef8deacf3bb8536bf1

>>40837679
>Is God JUST evil?
Already told you, >>40837543 the true supreme being encompasses good and evil. But you believe in the fiction that "God" and "the devil" or "Satan" are separate or even opposed entities. They are not. They are the same.

>>40837687
How does this help the rape victim

>>40837686
If there's a truly supreme being, who sees over all things, who sees child rape and decides not to stop it, then he is not just the source of good he is the source of evil too.

>>40837689
Define "help". I am the rape victim in question (the OP), and I discovered this about God. I can't go back to not knowing.

>>40837640
I don't even know what kind of life someone must lead to come to a conclusion like that. It boggles the mind. Not even the most rich spoiled sheltered person I know thinks like that. Its fascinating, in a rage-inducing way

>>40837693
I've argued in this thread before that He exists, He hates these actions, and He is not omnipotent in a way that He can stop it. This is the absolute truth. God is a multiversal being of such magnitude and size, that we all live within, that he truly cannot reach down and stop these problems. He designs and empowers us to do it ourselves. If you pray to Him, and truly connect, He will tell you of his failures and limitations. That is a true God, not the minor desert puke YHWH these demons worship.

>>40837700
In what way does this knowledge provide positive function to your life, or help you bear the suffering?
In other words, how have you reconciled the goodness of God with the apparent evil of God who has allowed this to happen to you?

>>40837703
>I've argued in this thread before that He exists
Obviously
>He hates these actions
Every piece of actual evidence says the opposite
>and He is not omnipotent in a way that He can stop it
If true (it isn't), then he wouldn't be the supreme God who is powerful over all things

The true God is all powerful and has no limitations, and is thus necessarily evil

>>40837716
>In what way does this knowledge provide positive function to your life, or help you bear the suffering?
I'm more concerned with truth than empty comforting or coping mechanisms

>>40837576
>>40837585
>>40837544
I'm not the person you were arguing with before, different dude.... but I couldn't help but notice that despite how much Jesus talks about forgiveness and salvation through him, you don't seem to be representing those values very well.
If you want people to be saved through jesus, going around telling people they are going to be tortured and whipped for eternity and telling them to kill themselves seems a bit counterintuitive to making people want to accept the Lord...

Linking this reply here feels apt:
>>40837071

>>40837723
>I'm more concerned with truth than empty comforting or coping mechanisms
Reconciling the goodness of God with the evil of God is part of that truth. That's why I asked if God is ONLY evil. How do you reconcile the goodness of God allowing this evil thing to happen to you?

>>40837723
>If true (it isn't), then he wouldn't be the supreme God who is powerful over all things
He is the supreme God. He is powerful over all things. Not in a fine-tuned way, but in the way that if he twitches his fingers in the wrong way entire universes die. He is a CHILD. He cannot CONTROL IT. He wants the best for us and knows that we grow up faster, see farther, die long before he will ever face the thought of dying. We can't rely on Him, we have to rely on OURSELVES.

Anything else is fake christian coping and ranting to provide a cosmic justification for their own complete lack of morality. I've argued that too. God does not hand down morality from authority, he relies on us to develop it ourselves and teach Him too. He is a CHILD. He DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE DOES IN EVERY INTERACTION.

>>40837738
>How do you reconcile the goodness of God allowing this evil thing to happen to you?
The supreme being must be indifferent to humans and their lives. Maybe he never even thinks about us.

>>40837730
Fuck you tone policer. You are no true anything, not an advocate for morality, not an advocate for anything but neurally dampening those who despise evil and preach the true Christian way. Jesus Christ taught of damnation and hellfire in almost every single sermon, and you would know this if you weren't a pathetic faker trying to push your broken moral relativism so you can jerk off in your soul about how "good" and "nice" you are.

>>40837759
Then in what way is he good?
Surely even just the sustainment of reality is evidence God thinks of us, how could we exist and be absent from his care or thought

>>40837767
>Then in what way is he good?
The source of all things is not "good" or "evil" in the way humans define those words, he is above them. Which is why I take issue with people portraying God as some loving father

>>40837802
But you're the one who said he encompasses good and evil

You're being unclear and vague in what you're saying.

>>40837766
I never said I was a christian.
I think all abrahamic religions are hokey games of historical telephone.
Jesus, Muhammed, and any other 'prophets' are just mortal men who gained cult followings. Jesus was a cool guy whos followers blew him way out of proportion. The followers wrote fanfiction hyping him up, and then plebs unsure about the universe eat it up because it gives them answers, values, and enemies wrapped up with a little neat bow so they don't have to do any spiritual discovery or thinking about the hard questions themselves.

Imagine needing an ancient book tainted by mortal hands to tell you how to live your life virtuously instead of relying on the internal sense of good and evil that all humans besides psychopaths have engrained into their soul by the universe/god.
Scripture of any kind is the antithesis of divinity, it's humans perverting the pure and vague simplicity of the universe.

This is the fastest moving thread I have ever seen on this board outside of generals. Thank you Anons for collectively pounding on that one insane christcuck defending child rape. Good job . Faith in humanity somewhat restored

>>40837845
Congratulations on your victory over the imaginary person

>>40837839
I agree entirely. I don't read books on morality anymore, I commune with the stars and God. The reality of what it is to be a nice and benevolent person is so far removed from the concept of dogmas and churches that it's not even funny. It's hard to accept, but in our lifetimes we become some of the most advanced beings in existence. Stars and Gods become sick at the things humans do to each other, they're far more innocent than us.

>>40837853
Oh, you can't read? Yeah, that makes sense

>>40837845
>Faith in humanity somewhat restored
Reddit coded phrase

>>40837881
Its from twitter. Who cares? Get fucked, language autist. Thats all you have to say? Nice priorities, dimwit. Go to /b/

>>40837893
You need a nap

>>40836467 (OP)
You kind of have a fair point OP.
My cousin was raped as a child.
She still holds her faith with God.
I asked her once "One day, because you were faithful to God and we are now in Paradise, is he just going to erase your memory of being molested like it never happened?".
"Isnt that kinda weird?.
She didn't know how to respond and got upset I said that. I apologized but I kept thinking about it.

>>40837904
>one line off-topic picky remarks about language
Grown ups are talking, little buddy. Go play roblox or something