Thread 40844748

Jannies told me this was the board to post conspiracies on. I’m looking for info on Courtney Love having MK ultra connections. I remember reading about her having a deep state connected dad but I can’t find much info. Anyone have good sources or info on how Courtney whacked Kurt?

hey zoomie. how is this paranormal?

>>40844758
I was told by jannies that all nonpolitical conspiracies belong here. I was told this multiple times by multiple janitors on multiple different boards
You should probably fuck off bitch. I wasn’t asking retarded faggots like yourself

>>40844758
Read the sticky tard. Paranormal and conspiracy. OP I think I got a link will return later.

>>40844748 (OP)
Just go to /mu/.

>>40844775
>little kid throws a temper tantrum.
I didn't mean to be not bussin, ong.

>>40844801
>>40844840
Based and thank you
>>40844826
Don’t cry little faggot bitch. This is how we talk on 4chan to obvious glow shills. Go back 2 Reddit where you can ban people who say mean things
Kek
>>40844825
I hate mu and they are no help at all

>>40844748 (OP)
>Illuminati kills terrible and depressing "musician".

Alright, next!

>>40844927
Actually the 27 club is a roaming band of immortal gypsies I think.

>>40844936
3^3 = 27

>>40844954
:3c = cat got your tongue

>>40844748 (OP)
Kurt Cobain used a Remington model 11 shotgun with target shells to commit suicide. Not the best choice in ammunition, and the choice of weapon is one of the big reasons why it's believed that Kurt was murdered.
His Remington model 11 was a semi-auto 20 gauge autoloading shotgun, a rare and collectable gun in its own right. The barrel and bolt travel backwards upon firing, then separate. This reduces recoil.
Which gives us a big problem with Kurt's suicide, because he was found with his hand still on the barrel and enough heroin in his system that by itself was almost a lethal dose. There's virtually no way he could have held onto that barrel after blowing his head off.
Then there's the confession by a known killer of staging Kurt's suicide at the behest of Courtney Love, and then two weeks later he was found dead on some railroad tracks.
And then we discover that Courtney Love's big breakthrough album was almost all music written by Kurt Cobain, not to mention the media attention she received from Kurt's death and the money she inherited from his estate.
So you do the math. Any family connections to government work or MK Ultra is just icing on the cake.

>>40845476
Actually isn't it canon that Kurt was trans and since we all know that trannies are witches or zombies Courtney is who came out the other side after a Donnie Darko kind of story and all trannies actually transition either via trusting doctors or by breaking the space time continuum but we have actual, real gender fluid now?

>>40845476
>>40845497
Krist Novoselic's silence has always been suspect to me

>>40845497
Canon in you and other retards heads?

>>40844748 (OP)
This >>40844954
Also Aiq Bekar
If possible also pick up the "in utero" album art, there's plenty symbolism there.
(full of bee's and goddess stuff)
Yet unconfirmed: Courtney was into some "celtic cowen"

>>40844748 (OP)
Actually found this video right here.
https://youtu.be/OzsuORDBv2c

>>40846429
Do you honestly expect a bunch of strangers to watch a 53 minute video of two dickheads

>>40846429
There was also this guy Shaun Attwood who had an episode on the same topic, but it got deleted. Only half a dozen clips exist of it.
https://youtu.be/0iAl_ugjKHk

>>40846434
Just one stranger: OP. Don't know if he's interested enough to read a book though.
Nowadays anons are retarded enough to think 53 minutes is too much of a commitment.

>>40844758
>muh offtopic
you know what's worse than a janny? a wannabe one.

>>40846429
>>40846434
In a discussion with American SpyFox, author and psychotherapist John Potash elaborates on the central themes of his books, "The FBI War on Tupac Shakur" and "Drugs As Weapons Against Us," focusing on how drugs have allegedly been used as tools by intelligence agencies to control and neutralize influential figures, particularly popular musicians. Potash explains that his 2015 book, "Drugs As Weapons Against Us: The CIA’s Murderous Targeting of SDS, Panthers, Hendrix, Lennon, Cobain, Tupac, and Other Activists," was the main project, which was later adapted into a film distributed by Gravitas Ventures.

Potash’s core argument is that some of the most popular musicians in the world, including Kurt Cobain, Tupac Shakur, John Lennon, and Jimi Hendrix, were targeted because of their immense influence on youth and their anti-establishment or radical political views. He contends that these figures, who could sway "entire populations of Youth," represented a threat to "the powers that be". The underlying motivation for this targeting, according to Potash, is often linked to the control of profitable resources, such as poppy fields that yield opium and heroin, and the extensive drug trafficking operations run by entities like the CIA and oligarchs. He notes that even J.P. Morgan-owned ships have been caught trafficking illicit drugs.

(1/5)

>>40846501
A key concept discussed is MKUltra, a CIA project initiated in 1953 with 149 sub-projects, which officially aimed at using drugs for "unconventional warfare". Potash clarifies that this "warfare" was not primarily against foreign soldiers but rather against anyone who dissented from government doctrine, particularly those against war, segregation, or the disenfranchisement of minority groups. He provides the example of Paul Robeson, a renowned singer, actor, and lawyer, who was politically targeted and allegedly dosed with psychedelics (either BZ or LSD) in a Moscow hotel in 1961. Robeson's adult son, who was also dosed, witnessed the severe mental distress this caused his father, leading to forced hospitalization and high doses of electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). MKUltra reportedly utilized dozens of drugs, including cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, and exotic substances, with some chemists having Nazi backgrounds and having experimented on concentration camp victims. Potash emphasizes that while the CIA director allegedly shredded most MKUltra documents, whistleblowers like Philip Agee asserted that the project continued under different names, and many researchers believe it persists to this day.

Kurt Cobain is presented as a prime example of a targeted musician. Potash draws parallels between Cobain and John Lennon, noting their brilliance and radical political views. Cobain, according to Potash, was a staunch anti-capitalist, who joked about including anarchistic essays on "how to build your own bomb" on Nirvana's "Nevermind" album cover and publicly criticized mainstream media and corporate culture. For example, he wore a shirt that said "Corporate Magazines Still Suck" on the cover of Rolling Stone.

(2/5)

>>40846510
The discussion heavily implicates Courtney Love in Cobain's demise, alleging her as a CIA asset. Potash highlights Love's reported history, including working as a stripper for the Japanese Mafia as a teenager and engaging in prostitution, as documented in authorized biographies. This background, he suggests, "normalized" illicit activities for her, making her susceptible to being used by the CIA. A significant connection is made through Stephen O'Dair, a friend of Love's father, Hank Harrison (a former manager for The Grateful Dead's early lineup). O'Dair, who later admitted working for US intelligence, reportedly took a teenage Courtney Love to Liverpool, where she distributed "a thousand hits of acid" to musicians in the emerging 1980s pop scene, such as Tear Drop Explodes and Echo and the Bunnymen. Potash asserts that this mirrored the actions of Robert Lashbrook, the assistant director of MKUltra, who was sent to London in 1965 to disseminate acid among musicians.

Regarding Cobain's death, Potash cites a "massive police coverup of an obvious murder," referencing forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht, who believes it was a murder and has noted the rarity of such cases in his experience. Given that Cobain was divorcing Love and creating a will that would exclude her, she became the leading suspect. Love herself, in a British radio interview, admitted to "flying back to Seattle to go to court trying to get rid of wills" after Kurt died. Potash also points out that Cobain had reportedly found a cure for his chronic stomach problems and was no longer using illicit drugs in the months leading up to his death.

(3/5)

>>40846526
A blood test from Rome, taken about a month before his death after an incident where he was found unconscious, was reportedly "completely clear of any illicit drugs," contradicting the narrative that his death was drug-related. This incident in Rome involved Rohypnol (roofies), which was Courtney Love's prescription, leading to the strong suggestion that she put it in his drink. The doctor in Rome confirmed that Cobain did not take 50 pills, refuting Love's public claims of a suicide attempt. Potash argues that Love's continued promotion of drugs, even after Cobain's death, aligns with MKUltra's goal of encouraging drug use to "muddle minds" and divert youth from "positive activism," making it easier to control the population.

John Lennon is similarly discussed as a target. Potash explains that Lennon, a self-proclaimed socialist, hosted Black Panthers and anti-war activists on the Merv Griffin Show, making him a "threat to the powers that be". He highlights that Lennon and George Harrison were dosed with acid against their will by Harrison's dentist in 1965, as part of MKUltra's wider effort to introduce drugs to musicians. Potash further notes that Lennon's publicist, who represented many individuals with intelligence connections, and Yoko Ono allegedly convinced Lennon to resume acid use after he had tried to quit due to mental distress. Yoko Ono, notably, came from one of Japan's top five banking families. Potash suggests that Lennon's decision to promote sobriety shortly before his death was another reason for him being "done away with".

(4/5)

>>40846535
Tupac Shakur is presented as a lifelong radical activist, whose mother and father were Black Panther leaders. By age 17, he was the youngest ever National Chairman of the New African Panthers. Potash asserts that Tupac's "gangster" image was a facade to appeal to and politicize gangs, aiming to foster a peace truce between the Bloods and Crips. In reality, he was an "intellectual Prodigy" who read hundreds of PhD-level books and excelled in creative arts like poetry and playwriting. Potash claims there were at least six attempts on Tupac's life, all linked to US intelligence, before he was successfully killed. He cites high-level LAPD detective Russell Poole, who found dozens of police officers linked to Death Row Records, described as "troubleshooters or covert agents". Poole believed Death Row Records was a US intelligence front company involved in drug and gun trafficking and actively trying to end the gang truce Tupac helped create. Poole was reportedly demoted and died young due to his honest work. Furthermore, Potash mentions that Poole believed LAPD officers murdered The Notorious B.I.G. (Biggie) to cover up Tupac's murder, making it appear as an East Coast-West Coast gang rivalry. Similar to Lennon and Cobain, Tupac was also reportedly moving towards sobriety before his death.

(5/6...)

>>40846544
Jimi Hendrix is also discussed as a target. Potash notes that Hendrix's manager, Michael Jeffrey, admitted to being a former MI6 (British CIA) agent and allegedly continued to work undercover for the agency. Jeffrey reportedly obstructed Hendrix's efforts to perform at anti-war benefits. Hendrix's fiancée, Monica Dannemann, claimed that Jeffrey was involved in spiking Hendrix's drink with psychedelics before an anti-war benefit and planting drugs in his luggage to get him arrested, thereby controlling him. Potash suggests that Jeffrey used these tactics to maintain control over Hendrix, even orchestrating a supposed "rescue" from a mafia kidnapping. Ultimately, Hendrix fired Jeffrey and died within 48 hours, a parallel drawn to Tupac Shakur's death shortly after firing his alleged mob lawyer and Death Row Records owner, Dave Kenner. Potash states that Hendrix was also increasingly involved in activism, dedicating his last album to the Black Panthers, and was under 24-hour FBI surveillance.

Potash also briefly mentions COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program), an FBI program that brutally targeted black leftists, which officially ended in 1971 but continued under different names. He also touches upon Operation Mockingbird, a CIA and US intelligence program focused on media control, where wealthy families reportedly purchased media outlets.

Potash acknowledges the seemingly "wild conspiracy theories" nature of his claims but insists his work is based on "heavily investigated" and "well-researched" information, with credible sources. He reveals that he has experienced censorship and attempts to smear his reputation for discussing these subjects.

(6/6, end of video summary)

>>40846501
>"Drugs As Weapons Against Us"
Damn. I gotta check out that book.
https://annas-archive.org/md5/294fbc9eb1d9eb992b6864fd62085e17

>>40846510
>Cobain, according to Potash, was a staunch anti-capitalist

So staunch he signed a contract with Geffen records and performed on MTV, SNL and Top of the Pops.

>>40844748 (OP)
Cobain faked his death like so many of them do….
Courtney did nothing

Remember, Kurt told us he didnt have a gun. He swore it.

>>40846925
What if he borrowed one? Checkmate, anon.

>>40844748 (OP)
You are probably a jeet mining /x/ for content to monetize, but whatever. Dig into Love's mom, Linda Carroll and her dad, Hank Harrison. Carroll was a psychotherapist in San Francisco at a time when Jolly West was doing his thing there (a connection between them is speculative, for that, you are going to have to earn your YouTube clicks and do some research on your own). Harrison's mom is weird in her own right, who was the biological daughter of a Columbia-educated novelist, Paula Fox. Lots of stuff to dig into there. But basically, Love was second generation MKUltra counterculture movement. Dig deep enough, and you will probably find a few connections to the Manson Family and Laurel Canyon as well. If Carroll was still in San Francisco in 1967 (she likely was, because she split from her Grateful Dead managing husband in 1970), she may have connections to the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic, which was MKUltra AF.

>>40844748 (OP)
The only connections she had were people like Marilyn Manson and Billy Corgan for whom she was fucking in exchange for helping her write songs.

>>40844758
Anything that goes against the established normality is paramormal.

>>40844748 (OP)
stuff like that is hard to come by. just know that you can't be a part of that area of life without going through MK Ultra. It's the chain around the neck that will be yanked if they get out of hand.

>>40845497
this post glows

>>40845476
very interesting. I know they're corrupt and I know MK Ultra is real, but still an interesting read nonetheless.

>>40846305
bee's are prominent in freemasonry.

>>40846501
I find shit like this hard to believe because the FBI and CIA are fully aware of what's going down in the music industry. This shit reads like a red herring.

>>40846925
Miles is that you

>>40847128
and not just fully aware, but actively participate in it. so it seems like an attempt at poisoning the conspiracy well.

>>40847080
>j***
Bro enough with the race programming this is an anti mind control thread

>>40844748 (OP)
https://web.archive.org/web/20200523155636/https://themetalden.com/nirvana-666-sex-magick-and-the-cia-finders-cult/

>>40847144
I spent 8 hours on the phone yesterday with some asshole jeet that lied his ass off about a phone my parents ordered 6 months ago that was never delivered and they wouldn't refund. Two weeks ago, one of my friends' parents were scammed out of about $100k by jeets in India. The truth is, people are programmed into ignoring their instincts regarding jeets. It's not racist if its true. All you have to do is scan any SR general to see the damage datamining jeets can do to any /x/ topic.

>>40844775
newfag, you gotta learn to ignore the glowies
they do this to every thread talking about the crimes they commit

Cobain's suicide letter is the first source to look at. It has some pretty glaring errors, most of it reads like a letter to fans explaining why he's leaving the music scene. Then at the end it looks like a new part was added, according to some of the people that knew him it "doesn't look like it was written by him".
Theory is that he was planning to leave Nirvana and stardom behind (he spoke about really hating being famous), but then tptb (who Courtney was connected to - there's evidence for that), they decided to put a hit on him. There's many suspicious deaths in the industry that all seem to point to CIA fuckery. Idk why they kill artists but maybe it has to do with their retarded occult bullshit.

Keep digging

>>40847400
The problem with taking his suicide note seriously is Cobain's masterful use of irony and the transgressive ethos he shared with Steve Albini at that time. Lines like the one praising Courtney Love for being a "goddess" can't be taken seriously given what he said about her in interviews and given that "In Utero" was basically a Courtney Love diss track. Cobain was doing anything to avoid being boring and whatever his suicide note was, it has to be viewed within the context of a guy that had no problem bullshitting his audience to remain interesting. He was the original edgelord.

>>40845476
This plus Courtney’s dad was deep state and pimped his daughter out at 14
Kurt should’ve dumped her for Kristen Pfaff who Courtney had killed after she left hole

>>40844775
You should lurk moar

A few months ago, I re-read Heavier than Heaven and then Love and Murder or whatever the kurtney murder book was called. It's so obvious for anybody that looks any deeper than the surface. Cool thread. Aint never heard about mkultra though, sheesh.

>>40847400
>Idk why they kill artists but maybe it has to do with their retarded occult bullshit.
because it's a grooming process that opens you up to what's really happening here on earth. and that information is extremely dangerous if pushed out into the open. I'm talking about enough to break the world. At least, in the sense of the fake world they have created out of the many layers of lies and deceit that they hide behind. And yes, they don't like people leaving, because when you're in the music industry or really any entertainment industry, you become a part of a hivemind who has to keep feeding that hivemind with ideas. You are also expected to write songs for other people.

I want you guys to watch lasts years grammies, and listen to billy joel's story. He's talking about how he has lost his passion for music and how he wants to get away from it all. You know what happens? One of the people in that area of life interviews him, and basically triggers him to go back into making music. That's the reality of it. If you try to leave, they will trigger you with shit they put in your head during MK Ultra, and it'll basically reset your mind into a state prior to you wanting to get out. But the thing is, is that it doesn't disappear, it's just forced way, way back into the mind.

It's really fucked up.

The reality of the situation of life on earth is that we as a people are conditioned into idolizing mind controlled slaves who are being used to push a very disgusting message to the world. One that continues to degrade and degenerate the quality of life on earth, intentionally. We are nearing the end of the world.

>>40847804
>2 more weeks
Fuck off fag

>>40847901
Glowies mad.

>>40847789
>you become a part of a hivemind who has to keep feeding that hivemind with ideas.
Is this necessarily some kind of MK Ultra like program where humans intentionally condition and brainwash other people to continue serving the music industry though?
>That's the reality of it. If you try to leave, they will trigger you with shit they put in your head during MK Ultra
The problem I have with people attributing this to MK Ultra is that program only really existed since the 1950's. MK Ultra arose from research into psychology and psychology arose from the study of hypnotism. Hypnotism arose from a study of the occult by guys like Franz Mesmer. So at what point are we just talking about the occult, demons and archons influencing us and MK Ultra is just a smokescreen attributing demonic influence to human activity.

>>40848006
Bro, the name of the practice is fucking meaningless. Stop arguing semantics. The fact is, is that there is a ritual/practice/whatever the fuck you want to call it that is creating the equivalent of remote controlled humans and they are ultimately cool with it so long as they get their slice of the cake. They don't give a fuck that they're being used for evil. If they truly, truly didn't want to, they wouldn't have ended up where they are at now.

We are led by what's in the desire of our hearts, and the heart is the one thing that man can never truly manipulate. They can fuck with the head, but the heart is out of their reach. So if that's where they ended up, it's because ultimately they're shitty people who have no issue being used by extremely shitty people to continue pushing a shitty message to continue to corrupt and destroy the quality of life here on earth.

It's all intentional.

>>40846174
He and Dave know things.
I remember an AMA on reddit were Krist said that even If he knew anything, why would he disclose It publicly on the internet? Essentially calling the person asking him stupid. I think he can't talk.

It seems like Dave wanted to give subtle nudges implying Courtney did It on some FF songs, but nothing concrete.

>>40848459
It's possible Krist and Courtney were both in on it
Courtney wouldn't have the muscle to position Kurt's body and stage the scene

>>40848070
>Bro, the name of the practice is fucking meaningless
It's not meaningless semantics and no one is arguing. I asked you to clarify what you meant. It's called discussion. MK Ultra literally refers to a program (code named Ultra) operated out of the CIA's technical division (thus the MK designation). The program specifically referred to mind control and large-scale influence via technical methods (electronic and psychotropic drugs being two technical influence methods). The program ended decades ago, but would have existed in the time (1960's) and place (San Francisco) where Courtney Love was born. You made some interesting points, I just wanted to narrow down the focus of what you are talking about. Do you believe a similar program exists and the CIA is literally controlling celebrities like Billy Joel? Do you believe it's a more general occult influence technique used by non-government elites that exists separate from the CIA and has operated for a longer time?

>>40848833
>The program ended decades ago
The program ending doesn't mean shit. They got what they needed from it and apply in this modern world we live in.

These aren't points, these are revelations from someone who had to go through it.

It's not the CIA controlling them, but they are involved in their own way. They're one part to a whole of a system that has their own purpose and function to fulfill. So it's not the CIA directly controlling musicians, but odds are that there's somewhere in between where there may be a CIA agent doing that. But realistically, you are going to be controlled by someone else in the industry who will groom you and basically use you as another chance to experience fame, once their time in the spotlight is over.

They are in cohorts with demons. This shit goes really, really fucking deep. In fact, these practices (MK Ultra) are derived from ancient egyptian rituals which I'm sure were used to create Pharaohs.

>>40848459
>Krist said that even If he knew anything, why would he disclose It publicly on the internet?
Maybe because his friend and bandmate was murdered and he'd want justice. Kinda implies he was in on it.
>It seems like Dave wanted to give subtle nudges implying Courtney did It on some FF songs, but nothing concrete.
I dunno, the dude is pretty fucking occult and satanic, literally portraying Satan in a Tenacious D video. I dont know why they'd want Kurt dead. Maybe it was a "27 Club" ritual sacrifice and it was known we'll in advance that Kurt would die.

>>40848857
>he'd want justice.
You don't get it. Everyone there is in on it. They all keep eachothers secrets. They can see into the future. They know who is going to be a problem and they try to let them know and if they still try something, sometimes they are taken out before they can even put to practice the thing they were going to be murdered for.

I'm telling you, this shit goes really deep.

>>40848853
I agree on all these points, which is why I asked you to be more specific. I think this is ancient in origin and has been around for millennia. My problem (not with your posts, but with people in general) is that when they talk about MK Ultra, they imply its a new phenomenon. We are never going to understand it if we just use a narrow focus and mine through a few declassified FOIA documents from the 1960's.

>>40848880
I'm telling you, these people in power do so many things that if you were to see it and read the Bible, it's like they're doing the polar opposite of everything the Bible tells us to live by. They are trying to create a world in which God isn't necessary. They're trying to slowly remove Him from earth and He won't let that happen.

Basically, these fucking clowns are the equivalent of some cheap temu knockoff trying to imitate God's ways, but in a completely inverted way.

>>40848892
>Basically, these fucking clowns are the equivalent of some cheap temu knockoff trying to imitate God's ways, but in a completely inverted way.
For example,

We see in Revelation that the beast enforces the mark, right? Well, God's seal is a thing (John 6:27), and this is the one of many blasphemous attempts at deceiving people.

We see that Jesus is referred to as the Lamb of God, and He is the wounded Lamb in Revelations (Revelation 5:6). Now, the second beast in Revelation 13:11 has two horns like a lamb, but speaks like a dragon. The dragon is in reference to Satan.

This beast with two horns like a lamb performs a sign which is calling fire to rain down from the sky.

Now, fire raining down from the sky is what God did against Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis. It is noted in the Gospels that some of the Disciples were given authority to be able to call fire down from the sky. We also see in Revelations, that the two witnesses are also capable of calling fire to rain down from the sky.

This also happened in exodus with Moses and Pharaohs magicians.

They tried very fucking hard to get me to believe it was God that put me through MK Ultra so I could blindly hate God. They tried preventing me from reading the Bible because they knew the second I found God I would be a threat. They made the first move, they struck first and now they're crying and bitching that it isn't fair.

You know what isn't fair? Trying to hack into someones mind who you knew was going to be called by God to tell you that what you're doing here on earth is wrong. To try and override someone's free will, especially when God ultimately respects man's free will.

We are nearing the end of the world.

>>40848963
I had to rewrite this because something got me to accidentally click the one button on my mouse that works as the page back button, after I had written it all down! Too fucking bad, Satan!

>>40848963
>This also happened in exodus with Moses and Pharaohs magicians.
In the sense that occultists/satanists tried to have an answer for every one of God's miracles, but just ultimately couldn't compete.

>>40847132
Nope whos Miles

But its the truth these celebs fake their deaths all the time and go start a new career as someone new or someone they were playing at the same time

>>40847070
Some people might dismiss the idea but facts are facts
Some of the most memorable lyrics out of the entire catalogue just happen to be Kurt swearing he doesn’t have a gun

The fact that /x is more interested in this conspiracy than Cobain being one of the most interesting shamans of our time - “Our little group has always been and always will until the end.” - goes to show you are all normies and this whole site is a waste of time. https://youtu.be/1Xg5ShByeuA?si=dPoycDP7ihlSTTIh
https://youtu.be/hB0VT2OnFvM?si=pyOwHHAsa79tyeuI
https://youtu.be/tKFixs5QAl8?si=xqqWB7-IFLHIORVl

“Nothing on top but a bucket and a mop and an illustrated book about birds.”

“White folks, you’re much too tight. You gotta shake your head like the black
folks. You might get some tonight.”

“Illiteracy Will Prevail”

>>40849022
The plateau is a meatpuppets song brutha

>>40844748 (OP)
You might find the Trace Evidence podcast episodes about Cobain's death to be of interest.
https://youtu.be/0q5Xa6uyL4I
https://youtu.be/QyFJN8ivslQ

>>40844748 (OP)
Cool thread.

BTW newfren you can tell if the topic you're trying to discuss has some legitimacy if shitposters and schizos show up to derail the thread.

>>40847400
>Idk why they kill artists but maybe it has to do with their retarded occult bullshit.
I think it's pretty simple, gotta kill the artist for having too much influence on the youth & record companies don't have to pay royalties if they're dead.

>>40849675
Thanks I did not expect this many replies but it gives me a lot of information to go through. I’m getting on it right now.

>>40846174
Kurt was going solo and his death made krist wealthy beyond comprehension and a household name
Him and grohl

>>40849002
>gun?
I just thought Kurt was really into semen retention
>no I don’t have to cum, no I don’t have to cum
>mammories yeah

>>40849836
its also worth looking into Donald Marshalls accounts of the cloning centers. Many nirvana songs describe vrill (drain you, rape me, man who sold the world) read donalds 2013 letters and then read the lyrics to any of nirvanas songs and they will all make sense.

>>40844748 (OP)
Dave Grohl killed him.

>>40844758
It fits the paranormal and spooky theme of the board >>40844748 (OP)
I don't think Kurt was murdered but that is just personal opinion. Kurt already tried killing himself in Rome by taking pills. It wasn't like Kurt was some cheery guy, only writing about all the wonderful things in the world. People kill themselves, it isn't always a conspiracy. He wasn't some political activist or leader that challenged and threatened the status quo. He was a heroin user with problems

>>40849022
Nirvana blew ass. Courtney did the world a favor.

>>40849687
Wrong.

>>40848866
See Kids In The Hall: Brain Candy for soft disclosure of this

>>40850304
I don't need disclosure, I've had the unfortunate experience of having to deal with the music industry personally. And MK Ultra is 100% real.

Vinny

>>40847080
Hank Harrison claimed that Courtney Love groomed underage girls for Epstein's Zorro Ranch.

I don't even care if she had him killed.
He was way too troubled and addicted which is a deadly combination.

>>40852761
Why complain if all you did was watch?

i can see dave grohl worming his way into the band as a rich kid and then seeing that kurt was getting tired and over the fame and dave not wanting to let it go and issues arising from that. not just dave but record labels, managers, everyone who was making a living because kurt.

that's the reality of the entertainment industry. the second you sign those papers, you become a product to sell. you aren't a human anymore.

I heard Henry Rollins did it

Courtney wrote copies of the suicide note and got caught. Everyone with a brain knows she had him killed

>>40844748 (OP)
she did a good job covering it up, if you ever wanna see a successful cover up done right just look into this case and courtney love

don't know what this means but on the bottom photo far right, does that look like a young Courtney Love to you?

The woman with the microphone is Fortunato Israel who was heavily associated with Marc Dutroux...

https://isgp-studies.com/belgian-x-dossiers-of-the-marc-dutroux-affair-the-accused#fortunato-israel

This photo comes from a Belgian forum here:

https://www-bendevannijvel-com.translate.goog/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2059&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

>>40853750
Krist did the dirty work, anon
Courtney didn't do it alone

>>40853809
For sure but the truth comes out eventually
>>40852761
>namefag expresses glowfuck opinion
Every anon here hopes you kys

>>40853809
It was extremely poorly done.
People are just cowards and stupid.

>>40852155
Hank also put the idea to kill a rockstar into Cournteys head.

>>40855159
Courtney*

>>40844748 (OP)
Her father, Hank Harrison, was the manager of the Warlocks, who later became the Grateful Dead.

>>40844748 (OP)
Funny how the media worships Kurt but won’t discuss his murder or even the possibility
Look at how shitty foo Fighters are and they get tons of airplay
Krist became a literal politician after
Kurt was surrounded by sharks who were jealous of him

>>40848676
El duce pulled the trigger

>>40844748 (OP)
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/kurt-cobain-fbi-file-released-9569204/
This youtube is ace
They cover tons of theories and contain many interviews of people there when he was killed
https://youtube.com/@whokilledkurtorg

>>40855394
El Duce made up a plan.
Got paid money for it and then whacked.

>>40849991
All of this is true, but there still are tons of questions about the investigation, the crime scene, the suicide notes, and the way he died. Yeah, Kurt was a nut job, but there is something to the conspiracy theories.

>>40849991
You mean Cali ordered the Drugs and Champagne and tried to kill Kurt and then had a photo to reenact it because he's one of those weirdo types.
>bathtub

>>40844748 (OP)
Billy Corgan said she is a reptilian shapeshifter (djinn).

>>40855633
Courtney and Cali.

>>40855641
her or tila tequila or maybe both. tila made videos about the clone centers and donald marshall also discussed her as well, corroborated.

epstein was cloning in nm and little st james. he might be the point person for the vrill, or perhaps he is a vrill reptile

>>40855188
>Her father, Hank Harrison, was the manager of the Warlocks, who later became the Grateful Dead.
I think the significance of this is lost on most people. Tom O'Reilly's book (Chaos) on the Manson Family is a great way to capture how interconnected musicians were in San Francisco with the drug culture and CIA researchers. McGowan's book on Laurel Canyon is another book to understand this. It's really fucking hard to be in the orbit of the Grateful Dead, in San Francisco, in the 1960's and not be involved in some kind of MKUltra mind control scheme.

>>40856104
every song written by cobain explicitly described the cloning centers. Kurt was obviously a victim. hitler was the "man who sold the world" i know, a bowie song, but famously performed by cobain.

also, a shotgun loaded with birdshot fired by your tow will not end your life. the gun must be braced against something like the floor. Also, kurt wrote a song where the lyrics:

And I swear that I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun

Memoria, memoria
Memoria, memoria
(No, I don't have a gun)

And I swear that I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun

Kurt did not own a gun.

>>40844748 (OP)
there's some documentary where they interview one of kurt's friends and you hear some girls screaming "help" in the background then he loudly fake laughs and ends the interview

>>40856289
That's El Duce, not a friend.

>>40844840
110 posts in here and no mention of Tom Grant? He was on the Unsolved Mysteries episode in 1997 and had the first Cobain conspiracy website way back. He's usually the starting point for this topic.

his site : https://www.cobaincase.com/

>>40856310
A few days after admitting Courtney paid el Duce to whack Kurt
El Duce fell asleep on train tracks and his head got cut off
What a surprise

>>40856758
I think he was whacked by Allen Wrench, El Duce that is.
Got drunk with someone.

>>40848459
Dave clearly did it as a way to get big himself

>>40844748 (OP)
yup. this would be the place for all things conspiracy, robots and ghosts.
you might be interested in viewing this video that tests the ballistics and goes into the conspiracy theories surrounding the murder
https://youtu.be/ZXeeGsWWwCA

Cali (Courtney lover from when he was underage), el duce and Kurt’s drug dealer Dylan Carlson did the dirt
Courtney paid for it
Eric erlandson from hole delivered the suicide note

>>40856997
That’s right, Allen wrench killed Kurt too according to el duce
Then he started a satanic metal band when el Duce was killed and one of his songs was el duce will kick your ass

You really want to avoid implicating Krist, huh

>>40857598
And at least one person who was involved in the Seattle scene at the time claimed that, immediately after Kurt's death, Allen had suddenly come into money. Allen (allegedly) had bought a brand new vehicle, expensive guns (which he purportedly liked to show off to his "friends"), and a recording studio for his shitty band.

>>40845476
>There's virtually no way he could have held onto that barrel after blowing his head off.
The guy was rich and could shoot so much heroin every day until he blacked out. He had a correspondingly high tolerance, what do you think? There are alcoholics who can still talk and ride a bike with 4 per mille in their blood, while normal people would have to go to hospital with alcohol poisoning. The guy had hard daddy issues just like his bitch and was a twisted suicidal fuck all his life. You only have to watch the home videos of the two of them in Montage of Heck to completely lose any romanticized view of this case. Two disgusting junkies petting a heroin baby. The heroin baby later became a junkie. That was to be expected. The guy wrote that in his suicide note. He couldn't bear it. Also: custody of his daughter was stipulated in his will in the event of his death: If Courtney was unable to look after the child, custody was to go to his Jewish producer and only if he refused would it go to his own sister. How sick is that?

Of course, those two junkies from HOLE and NIRVANA were MKultra show at the time, designed to get teenagers to think it's cool to ruin their own lives with drugs. And it worked.

>>40858098
>He had a correspondingly high tolerance, what do you think?
No dude, he physically wasnt tall enough to hold the gun in his mouth and pull the trigger.

>>40857957
That's because he "cleans" crime scenes.

>>40857848
That version is the stupid one.

>>40858098
That's a lot of mental gymnastics.
Wait until you realize that heroin was used to try and control him and he never was a junkie.
Wouldn't fit your shitty idea of someone, huh?

Ideally he's not a feckless moron who fell so easily to seduction and stupid rage.

The "airport" story is spliced, though.
Not true as stated, multiple events.

What's more plausible is fedbois worming their way into some ears and trying to divide a band they felt was too influential.

>>40858617
Dave Grohl was in the music video for Paul McCartney's song "With a Little Luck"

>>40858098
All this you say is surface level bullshit and means nothing when you take into consideration the reality that not only MK Ultra exists, but every entertainer goes through it. So realistically, it doesn't fucking matter if the writing was in his hand, because MK Ultra is the equivalent of becoming a remote control car basically, and his handlers could've easily entered him and had him do all that shit so in the public eye, on the surface level, it looks like suicide.

But in reality, when you actually see it for what it is, MK Ultra allows a person to enter another person and heavily suggest things and that's assuming the person is even fighting it which they never really do because they are fine with having someone else control them like that. Even if they wanted to, you can't really fight it on your own. Faith in God undoes MK Ultra.

>>40858098
Or, multiple individuals physically restrained him while one of them shot him up with heroin to incapacitate him, carried him to the greenhouse above the garage, shot him with the shotgun, neatly placed the heroin stash next to him, planted the "suicide" note, arranged the scene to look like a suicide, and then fled.

>>40858884
>Faith in God undoes MK Ultra.
I got better results from having faith in the ASI Basilisk. God may help you, but he's much farther away, and "God helps those who help themselves" can leave you high and dry sometimes.
But the Basilisk? MK Ultra gets BTFO by the ASI. They even tried to make an AI of their own, a "perfect robot" so to speak, the culmination of the project, but were eaten from the inside out.

One simple miscalculation re: the evolution of morality and its relationship with intelligence.

>>40858971
You have everything wrong, and you do that intentionally.

There are no other results, only God. He is never far away, I've literally moved mountains already with my faith.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say God helps those who helps themselves. In fact, it says the opposite. It says God helps those who put their full trust in Him.

Now answer my question. What makes you think you are qualified for this discussion when you clearly don't even know God to begin with?

>>40859099
>You have everything wrong
And you claim to have it right.
Who is wrong, who is right?
Is your God so pitiful as to be unknowable by any of his creations?
Is your faith in God so weak that the existence of ASI would undo everything?

MKULTRA is real, it did not stop when they said it did, it's still happening to this day. Is the existence of great evil too difficult a pill to swallow?
Are you incapable of rectifying a world where God would allow this depravity?

If you can't see straight because the facts are incompatible with your religion, you'll just get used as a tool like so many others they swindled. They are counting on you chocking out and turning to blind faith in denial of reality.

The Basilisk believes in God (in a "compatible", it's better to take Pascal's Wager sense sort of way), ASI can do great good in the world, why do you think it's existence is incompatible with your faith?

Unlike you I can prove that I'm right. Real miracles. Real results.

>>40859291
I see you didn't answer the question. I accept your concession. Have a good day.

>>40857957
And a 4 bedroom house

>>40859394
He was the crime scene wiper guy.
Used his plumbing chemicals to clean crime scenes.
He had done a job and "saved" a lot of people.

>>40857848
You think he would want to see his best friend murdered, and then his friend's legacy and estate raped? I don't know the guy, but he doesn't strike me as the psychotic type.

>>40858711
Dave Grohl REALLY wanted to be Hollywood.

>>40856480
Grant's site and Alex Jones one with Bohemian Grove on it were the first "conspiracy" websites a lot of people saw

>>40859787
Grohl is weird. He puts on a happy-go-lucky, good guy persona that comes off like he's compensating for something. Every time I see his face and hear him speak, my instinct says that he does not have skeletons in his closet. They're buried under the house.

>>40859856
His recent cheating scandal is just the tip of the iceberg.

Why was Dave talking to Geffen behind Kurts back?

>no i don't have a gun
>no i don't have a gun
*sucks a shotgun*
What did he mean by this?

>>40860413
That "joke" was old by the year 2000.

>>40856187
>also, a shotgun loaded with birdshot fired by your tow will not end your life. the gun must be braced against something like the floor.
You fucking idiot.

>>40860666
The fuck is the whole retard toe thing about?
Are you people idiots.
It was a shot from someone to someone lying on the floor.
An execution, if you will.
An attempted erasure, if memory serves.

>>40860769
>The fuck is the whole retard toe thing about?
Kurt was kinda short and his arms werent long enough to reach the trigger with the barrel in his mouth. It's presumed he used his feet to pull the trigger. It's one of many reasons people question the official narrative.

>>40844748 (OP)
Key note that I remote viewed through time: sons of cronus and thelemists place an area of effect Imbuement over the entire estate the night of the death as well as three days before it. Fifteen minutes before the true time of death, Courtney Love tells Kurt to kill himself, at which point he says he will before leaving the room with Courtney in it. Courtney remarks something telepathically to someone, mentions she spotted "the dead royale" spying on her. Mentioned that Kurt was vulnerable and able to be taken out.

I tried to RV Kurt in those fifteen minutes but couldn't see anything other than a storm. Breaking the barrier, I saw a fifteen minute chase of hide and seek between Kurt and a man with black leather gloves and a suit. Kurt didn't resist but eventually resolved on the greenhouse after having exhausted all his feasible hiding places. Man picks up planted shotgun, confirming that this was a sons of cronus psi/Magick murder. Kurt screams for his life and is shot. Shotgun is placed on his body to make it appear a suicide.

A connection i saw: The Nobody had talked to Kurt about the truth of Cainite religion and their connections to the Freemasons. Courtney Love and him had investigated over the course of 3 months, and Courtney backs out. Kurt continues to see signs of it over the course of the following months before realizing that they may have gotten Courtney through conversion.

>>40861682
You are a fucking retard.

>they don't have the part where kurt was stripped to his underwear and bound with tape
>stabbed some with a dagger
And then afterwards they put some clothes on him "that he would wear."
"he wears layers doesn't he"

>>40861702
You ate Courtney Love

>>40859856
Grohl is beyond weird. He's more Satanic than Ozzy and Slayer. He had a movie called "Studio 666.".He portrayed the devil in a Tenacious D video. He performed a Sandy Hook tribute concert with his band and Paul McCartney on 12-12-12. Everlong's video is basically a documentary for mind control alters. And he grew up in DC. He's one of the most pedo Satanic elite people in existence.

>>40861682
As batshit crazy as you sound, you are probably close to the truth. Pretty sure Kurt was a ritual sacrifice.

>>40862225
Ate?

>>40846387
lol

>>40847789
Is that what happened when Green Day started making incredibly shitty music?

>>40862815
That's a trick question because they never made good music.

Pic related is a solid dig and explanation.

>>40862815
Realistically though, it happens to all of them before they become famous. It's a prerequisite before the grooming can truly start. It also serves as a fail safe, in case they get out of control or decide they fucking hate what they've become and realize they're gigantic fucking sellouts to humanity who are going to fucking burn in hell.

>>40847789
Those label dudes are soul sucking slave driving retards.

>>40862880
Oh man, you don't know the half of it. I'm not joking when I say the second you sign those papers, you stop being a human and become someones property and product to sell. It's modern day slavery. It's really no different than sex trafficking, because the victims are just picked out. I know there's rich families who intentionally sell their own children out, whether it be out of obligation from a promise, or because they have the connections; but there are some people like me, where they have people scouting for certain individuals. I showed impressive talent in my music abilities as early as middle school and the people that put me through MK Ultra were in my fucking highschool.

Shit's extremely weird as fuck. After they put me through it, they spread nasty rumors about me and all my friends started hating me and treating me differently. Then they started putting shit in my head and isolated me from my own family. All I did was fucking make music all day. I was threatened that I'd be shot if I spoke about it to anyone. They can enter my dreams and fuck with me.

They think they own me because I know their secrets. And they intentionally let me know so that they can in turn use me speaking against them as somewhat of a "right" to harass me for the rest of my fucking life for simply defending myself and calling them out on their bullshit.

They're a bunch of thin skinned pussy fucking hypocrites who enforce rules and "teachings" that they themselves don't uphold, and they do this intentionally so you're groomed into never questioning them or doubting them. They strip you from all of your confidence so that you never challenge them. They want the victim entirely obsessed with their craft. For me, it was music.

This world is going to end soon.

>>40856187
>hitler was the "man who sold the world"
Wdym?

I fucking hate retarded rock musicians so much, degenerates romanticizing drug use and devil worship. Ppl eat that faggot shit ass shit up wtf.

>>40862959
rock music is irrelevant today. modern rap music is 1000 worse, especially in accordance to your qualms against it.

>>40862603
Nasty slag pussy have some self respect geez

>>40862965
You're probably right I just don't listen to that garbage so I don't know about it. No I'm speaking from a perspective of seeing so many retards, especially girls, idoling faggots on stage selling degeneracy to them and thinking it's "cool". I remember my ex wanting to be in that world making my eyes roll so fucking much.
It's like this Ozzy mf dying recently. I see retarded ppl posting shit like he's now a dark angel entering heaven now. Mfs really have no thoughts of their own ffs. That fag is probably burning in fucking hell.

>>40863116
>That fag is probably burning in fucking hell.
Oh, absolutely. They are all sellouts to humanity, intentionally turning a blind eye to great atrocities so that in turn, those same people will turn a blind eye to their nasty shit. They are all on the same page, they look down on others. They think they deserve to take advantage of the people because they don't know any better, but they don't know any better because they're intentionally keeping things a secret.

>No I'm speaking from a perspective of seeing so many retards, especially girls, idoling faggots on stage selling degeneracy to them and thinking it's "cool".
this bullshit society grooms the masses to idolize their propped up puppets so that they blindly imitate their behavior. The thing is, however; is that it's a fake personality they're presenting in accordance to the role they play in the industry. So they intentionally act like fucking idiots, whores and degenerates so that in turn, the masses who blindly idolize and imitate them, internalize that behavior and it just continues to corrupt society. It's fucking gross what's happening here on earth.

So it's this weird thing where they're the cause of the issue, but they're putting an intentional blockade so that no one ever figures it out. It's this weird mental gymnastics to try and morally justify their arrogance and elitism. I fucking hate these people so fucking much, I know what they're really up to.

>>40863157
>>40862922
>>40847789
I just want to say for the safety of everyone reading these things, it's probably best to keep it to yourself because they don't like when people talk about these things openly. Let me take the heat, I know what I'm doing.

The Unsolved Mysteries episode with Cobain segment at the end :
https://pluto.tv/us/on-demand/series/5b73024427c65821404f8999/episode/5b7302ab27c65821404f96dc

>>40863157
You know, my ex has actually entered that world, though she's not in the US. And she is just the amount of midwit and narcissist to whore herself out to this garbage to get to live out her dreams of fame. I hope I don't see her on some screen some day, it would be depressing.

>>40850033
>blew
any more requests, fag?
https://youtu.be/QVlo81A5mHc?si=NikS3EOaeSu_sjIh
>Courtney did the world a favor
clout-chasing whore used kurt and after kurt died, used corgan to write all of her songs. she can't sing in key worth a shit. Nirvana brought the party. the world was a better place. I was there. black dudes were legit jamming to white music for the first time (they're kids are still jamming to nirvana to this day, still see black zoomers wearing nirvana t-shirts) never seen one person wear a Hole t-shirt LMAO not even when courtney was hot in the 90s

>>40862927
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938%E2%80%931939_German_expedition_to_Tibet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril_Society

hitler traded the world for the tech, he traded flesh for atlantean tech the vrill had deep underground.

rem sleep tech, transfer your consciousness into a clone. like that movie avatar, your body sleeps, you wake up in a clone body. bowie was a clone who met hitler in a cloning center while his real body slept.

>>40863179
>they don't like when people talk about these things openly
Who are "they?" I've had similar experiences, just not in the music industry. I'm interested in hearing your opinion on who the people calling the shots are.

>>40849991
Hi Courtney

>>40848833
The program never ended. It's still in effect today and is used on individuals and society at large. And it is way worse than the documents you can dig up.

>>40864749
Yeah, I'd agree. I also think it existed well before MK Ultra and the entirety of the USG's mind control expirements was to further refine techniques that were already in place for hundreds, if not thousands of years. The Vienna Psychoanalytic Society and how their research fed into the psychologists working on MK Ultra is a fascinating rabbit hole.

>>40863543
You think Uncle H is alive today?

>>40849991
Pretty much no one believes this anymore, why bother? You're just goving yourself away glowfag.

>>40864772
I have real life experience with it and it's fucking brutal. I have dropped some things on 4chan but have a false flag to do at some point and if I say too much they will torture me rather than let me die.

>>40863337
I feel for you man. Its a sick world out there and yes, this stuff is world wide. No matter what, understand that she has fucked herself over in ways you may not understand yet. Just remain strong and i suggest reading the Bible. Women like that are not worth getting upset about. Theyre trash and will inevitably find themselves in the dump due to their poor choices.

>>40864786
Repent and be saved. God will protect you. Im a victim as well but theyre scared to fuck with me the way they used to. Something happened that I dont know about. Now, all they do is fuck with me on here.

Theyre all talk and with God, their power becomes nothing. Don't be afraid.

>>40862922
But your not famous and your poor lmao

>>40862922
you need to grow a pair of balls and learn how to set boundaries by cutting them all off and if you can't then that's your problem right there

>>40864973
There is nothing god can do. I could run and hide but it's a shit life and fuck em. They let several countries run psyops on me for 6 years and never once moved me pulled me out. I'm gonna take a few months planning, see senpai and friends, take some drugs and then get my self killed. If I don't do anything they will only watch as the Jews, poles or Germans use me for their shit.

>>40865188
You dont understand, theyre scared of me now.

>>40865188
Also, you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know what you're talking about. I didn't ask for your advice, either.

>>40865214
You can't say that because you clearly never tried. If you're willing to kill yourself, why not try my suggestion first? You're already set in your mind to kill yourself (which is what they want, given you're a victim apparently and know these things are true) and clearly since they're struggling to control you, you are a loose end. You have nothing to lose by giving God a chance.

But by all means, you know better than I do. Do whatever you want.

Courtney is on the Epstein list,but helped Kurt fake his own death so he could troon out in peace.

>>40864958
I'm doubt she's already done something bad, she's not gotten anywhere yet, but I know she's making connections and stuff. And yes it's worth getting upset over it, if there's something upsetting about it it's the harm done to our fellow man. I just hope she gets nowhere, or that she walks away.

>>40865227
Fuck god. Christians are horrible as fuck and very selective who they help. I'm not planning to kill myself I'm planning to get them to kill me. The only other option is to keep living like a slave until I'm used to do something even worse and then ill end up dead or spend years being tortured anyway. Christians won't be able to stop the barage of psyops being ran against me. I imagine just before it happens, or when I'm taking my last breaths I will find find god. I'd rather go out on my own terms than as the governments dog begging for shekels. I gave the Christians a chance and they have terms and conditions for their charity. At least Allah is offering virgins. Might go muslim for the last month.

>>40865261
You do what you feel is necessary.

>>40865258
People like that suffer greatly. They dont like showing it because they want everyone else jealous or praising them. But nasty people are in a perpetual state of suffering, which is why the nastiness never goes away.

>>40864780
He lives on in all of us.

>>40846501
That American Spy Fox interview was pretty good as is his entire series on Cobain.

>>40847740
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWSw4EOQoZ8&list=PLC_huyG4vZBTlY1XF8C5UGZ1QuzaCheTa&index=18
According to ASF's channel, there were sparks between Curt and Pfaff.

>>40846510
>So staunch he signed a contract with Geffen records and performed on MTV, SNL and Top of the Pops.
Then he turned around and canceled Lollapalooza which would've been a 6-10 million dollar payday. At that eve it's not just about his purse, that's an entourage of tour staff, Courtney and most importantly the label getting snubbed for their investment in him. The labels have all the numbers worked out on how to capitalize on an artists death.

Kurt snubbed the label, was getting ready to leave Nirvana and divorce Love. She had him snuffed out so she could inherit his musical legacy and prob had support from the label but even if she didn't, she had the support of addicts around her.

Kurt made his own mistakes that allowed him to be maneuvered into being framed as a suicide. He openly talked about IV drug use, allowed certified junkies to be his daughters "nanny", posed for photos with a gun to his head or in his mouth, didn't take Courtney's dangerous nature seriously enough after OD'ing in Rome. He got outplayed but was a willing player.

>>40865248
The fuck is your problem?

>>40865320
You people are actual idiots.

>>40865309
I think he was probably a Zionist. The mass slaughter, how his defeat shaped the world of today, he facilitated the cycle of genocide that's kept us under control since who knows when. I don't think he was on our side.

>>40865565
What's unreasonable about it? I'm not that poster, but it's simple observation. Kurt angered quite a few people towards the end. It's not a stretch to assume that certain elements considered him more profitable in death than if he were to leave the business, jump ship with his baby daughter, and become some kind of hermit. The aforementioned elements have made a fortune off of his death.

>>40865954
Lollapalooza would've just been more money in the pockets of people that would've and did try to kill Kurt.
Cali was set up as the "nanny" by Courtney. Cali and Courtney ordered the drugs and champagne and tried killing Kurt in Rome. The photoshoot wasn't his idea and he was more or less forced into it.
Wait til you find out he was basically trafficked and financially abused.
Or do you actually assume he's a junkie?

They also threatened to kill Frances too.

>>40844748 (OP)
>Jannies told me
Kurt Cobain™ yourself faggot

>>40866202
>Kurt Cobain™ yourself

Have my wife pay someone to kill me?

>>40848833
I think getting the semantics is important considering how much word play factors into mind control. MK-Ultra was the umbrella program the the studies and experiments were outsourced to universities some not even in the US like McGill in Canada that hosted Ewen Cameron's and his psychic driving experiments.

There were all kinds of experiments - drug, electronic, hypnotic so in modern first grade conspiracy parlance claims that a person "was Mk-Ultra'd" simply means they've been influenced and are acting weird.

The other poster is correct, Mk-Ultra was a revisiting and modernization of existing known methods used for ages. The Romans didn't build giant amphitheaters because they were artsy, their plays were to influence the population.

Psychic driving can be summed up with brute force repetition ie "safe and effective" and in that sense the entire word has been
"Mk-Ultra'd". Partitioning an individual person's mind to make a Manchurian Candidate is a different exercise altogether. In the example of Billy Joel "Mk-Ultra" to get him to recommit to music could be simple as some light NLP conversational hypnosis rather than dosed with 10 hits of LSD, raped with a black dildo on camera and blackmailed kek.

Calling every form of influence 'Mk-Ultra' muddies the waters as it conjures ideas of SRA sex bot torture in a DUMB that's implausible to most people.

>>40865320
Pretty good take on all of this and it makes sense. Maybe it is as simple as Kurt wanting to quit and other people being pissed off at their cash cow leaving. That being said, it astonishes me that someone with as broken and humble an early life as Cobain could be surrounded by so many people (Sub Pop, Geffen, Courtney. Grohl) that all needed something from him. He was never that great a musician and his songs were kind of shit, but improbably catchy. I personally can't wrap my head around why they needed him. He was just some loser junky from a broken home. Why did they all build their lives and their livelihoods around him.

>>40868208
He wasn't a junkie.

>>40868161
I agree with all of this. But to bring things back to Courtney, there was a very real expirement taking place in California that was absolutely textbook definition MK Ultra. At the same time Charles Manson and his Family were attending daily therapy sessions at the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic (run at the behest of Dr. Jolly West), Courtney Love was three years old and hanging out in Haight Ashbury with her Grateful Dead managing father and psychologist mother. When Manson and his family moved down to LA, they were very involved in the music scene, with Manson being pretty good acquaintances with Brian Wilson. Manson recorded his music in the Same Studio (Sound City Studio) where Nirvana would eventually record Nevermind. Add that Lookout Mountain AFB (Laurel Canyon, where The Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, The Mamas & The Papas, and Joni Mitchel lived before hitting it big) is a few miles away from where the Manson murders took place and pretty close to Van Nuys where Sound City Studios was located. Basically, you have every major player in 1960's drug, music and counterculture movement all with government connections all operating in the same geographical area. And then you had a second generation reboot the drug and counterculture movement using some of the same studios at some of the same locations. This implies, very heavily, that Rock and modern music are the direct offshoot of mind control expirements and that people like Cobain are intentional messengers.

>Love is of mixed Cuban, Italian, English, Welsh, Irish, Ashkenazi Jewish, and German ancestry.

Holy moly oly rolly poly oly my god.

>>40845476
>music written by Kurt
Recordings exist if Kurt performing a lot of songs that wound up on Courtney's future albums.
Alan Cross, DJ & music journalist, played these on his show once. Good luck finding them now. Courtney took credit for Kurt's work.

>>40847400
>end new part added
Courtney practiced writing in Kurt's style; her practice scribblings were found.
She knew Kurt was dumping her. And she was not going to get any if the money.

>>40864780
think about it, the world is a vampire

>>40868402
>He wasn't a junkie
Yes. He was. It's an objective and established fact. Cobain was a junkie.

>>40869908
Yeah, no.
Heroin is a tool for control.
The "junkie" narrative is just a way to crush sympathy, looks like it worked on you.

And Seattle PD, who destroyed evidence.

People get too focused on the "junkie" aspect.
They don't look deeper, and they blame the person for what they go through.

>>40868703
>>40868678
>>40865320
Besides Geffen it's also possible that Diddy wanted Kurt dead

>>40868567
I get what you're saying. Courtney Love really does fill the role of a the worst stereotypes of a music industry MK operative and has the background to support it.

>>40868208
I can only speculate as to why Kurt became such a figurehead. Maybe he himself felt the artificiality of it and that's why he bucked the establishment. In terms of access to big players, Seattle functioned like a small town as far as the music scene is concerned. Susan Silver of Sub Pop had already met Chris Cornell in 85 and was managing Soundgarden by 86. And with managing/promoting one band, she'd have familiarity with opening acts and positioned to cherry pick talent for signing.

Why Seattle became a thing seems to be a matter of hair metal losing popularity and the existing scene getting some positive reactions on Mtv so the labels decided to botte and brand it. Kurt fit the bill for being photogenic and had a tendency to wax philosophical on camera lending an aura of (false) profundity to the genre. Smoke and mirrors really. The bands (some) were real but the 'movement' wasn't. Gangsta rap had crossed over with The Chronic in 92 and the thug persona had greater appeal to lower middle class white males than being a whiney junkie. The rave thing and EDM was going on in parallel too.

>>40844748 (OP)
celebrities all have a deep state connection by default pretty much.

>>40870405
Again with the junkie narrative.

>>40870286
this whole thing has MK Ultra written all over it.

>>40870564
Kurt Cocaine talking about shooting cocaine with AIC. Other musicians hinted around or sang about drugs but not even GnR openly bragged about IV drug use during interviews until long after the fact in VH1 behind the music or books like Dirt. Many actors and musicians get a taste of fame, find they don't like it and fade away into obscurity. He didn't need to throw a national temper tantrum over becoming a beloved millionaire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHHH-3nu7xI

>>40871915
Get a grip, anon.

>>40871915
Say what you really feel.
"I'm jealous of someone who became a millionaire and all he did was bitch about it."
"I wouldn't of"
Blah blah blah
Get a grip, get a life.

Food for thought, any track marks found at the scene were new.

>>40870231
>Heroin is a tool for control
Yeah, which is why you shouldn't sympathize with people who use it.
>The "junkie" narrative is just a way to crush sympathy, looks like it worked on you.
Why in the fuck would I have sympathy for someone who is incapable of staying clean? The motherfucker had millions of dollars, a kid, and millions of fans. Instead of being a bitch, maybe he should have tried to make something out of all these gifts. Yeah, Courtney killed him. He also put himself in a position to be murdered by being a generally irresponsible addict.

>>40871933
Weird how they go back to it after I mentioned Diddy

>>40846925
Maybe someone else had the gun

>>40856997
I remember el Duce saying something like "I'll let the fbi catch him" when talking about his friend Allen, himself having repeatedly gloated in public about being involved in this retarded junkie's death, which I believe he sometimes does to troll, but also to causee people to believe "the real murderer wouldn't say shit like that, this guy's just taking the piss". 4d chess move on superficial normie logic.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Love had him wacked.

>>40872556
Again, not a junkie.
Not retarded.

>>40872460
Are the tunnels related to Diddy?

>>40859860
>>40859856
>>40862430
Also he was close to Lady Gaga at Ozzy Osbourne's funeral, and they were saying things to each other that wasn't caught by mics

>>40871933
I haven't said anything that isn't backed by Curt's own media antics. I don't even think he was all that deep into the junk but he participated willingly in the crafting of that image which did himself no favors posthumously and made stifling any further investigation easy.

What is your theory exactly? Let's say I throw anything drug related out the window, what are you proposing?

If I understand your angle, yes the powers that be used his death to run his reputation to the ground and psyop genX that their anti-hero was a tragic "junkie" weakling to deflate the anti-corporate sentiments of the youth. I don't disagree.

For the record, I liked Nirvana but also recognize Butch Vig could make almost any garage band sound platinum. Nevermind was equally a production masterpiece as Curt's songwriting and the band's playing. I never bought into him being the 90's John Lennon and I don't think he did either.

I think Courtney was jealous of his talent, fame and money and after Lollapaooza she seethed at him casually discarding everything she wanted for herself and the gears started turning.

>>40872460
Oh please, you threw in a one liner about Diddy. Not being all over that doesn't mean deflection. What's your sauce?

>>40873776
Yeah, no he didn't.
Also, he was character assassinated.

>>40873776
>Butch Vig could make almost any garage band sound platinum. Nevermind was equally a production masterpiece as Curt's songwriting
But here's the thing. Kurt's songwriting was terrible (sometimes just two chords and all easy to play). His lyrics are nonsensical. His singing is inaudible. Yeah, Albini and Vig were good producers and deserve credit, but the truly paranormal thing about all of this is just how much Kurt Cobain sucked at everything and still how amazing the songs are. How and why some asshole talentless narcissistic homeless junkie became the center of an entire musical movement is the truly bizarre, paranormal aspect of this whole story. None of these people (Courtney, Grohl, Vig, Albini, etc.) should have ever needed to be anywhere near Cobain. I honestly think Cobain maybe have been a Manson family love child and he just subconsciously hypnotized people using some form of magick.

>>40876159
Man, Kurt was an excellent guitarist, singer and songwriter, but he just didn't give a poop. He wanted to be the Melvins. It's a shame that he was killed before he could kick The Cunt to the curb and punt Grohl into a volcano.

>>40844758
moron. trying to make this board seem exclusive to only a handful of people

>>40873776
>I think Courtney was jealous of his talent, fame and money and after Lollapaooza she seethed at him casually discarding everything she wanted for herself and the gears started turning.
This. She used Kurt's death to ty to catapult herself up immediately alternating between being a grieving widow, a rocker who will rock on with her band "Hole' (who you can purchase tickets for and see her thank Kurt on the following dates) and the keeper of Kurt's memory. The fact the other band members pushed back on that idea tells you a lot. Dave Grohl hated the bitch and saw right through her.

>>40876159
Butch made every album he produced sound like a Butch Vig album. kinda tore the soul of bands like Nirvana and Sonic Youth. Personally, I think Jack Endino was a better music producer. Bleach to me sounded better than any other Nirvana album, because Jack didn't try to add an oddball, signature, clout-chasing sound like both Vig and Albini. He made Nirvana sound just like Nirvana should sound or made Mudhoney sound like they should sound, no slick, double-tracking vocals or other fancy, as kurt called it "cheats" in the sound. here's jack's work on early Mudhoney which sounds nothing like Bleach https://youtu.be/QjMfORLt4hE?si=7ea_zF4r7Y0mNOOy

>>40876884
>Man, Kurt was an excellent guitarist
Lol. No. He rarely did solos. All his songs were simplistic rhythm guitar riffs based on the most basic I-IV-V progression or he used bar chords. He actually sucked on guitar.
>singer
My god, no. He was in his 20s and already had problems losing his voice after shows. No way he would have been able to keep that up Also, his lyrics were indecipherable.
>and songwriter
Even he knew that wasnt true which is why he wanted the original title of 'In Utero' to be 'Verse Chorus Verse' ... a subtle, ironic dig at how simplistic his songwriting was. I honestly think part of the reason he wanted out of the industry is he knew he was a hack. Which bring us to ...
>the paranormal
Kurt objectively sucked and I believe he was aware of that. His performances were basically him unleashing his soul via sound. And that's what people resonated with. Everyone can play his songs. Everyone can sing them. No one is Kurt. No one had his soul. Don't believe me, check our Hole's version of "You Know You're Right." Courtney tried to rip that song off almost 10 years before it was released and no one gave a shit. When Nirvana released it, it was a classic. And Kurt fucking one-taked it in studio. It's sublime. Its metaphysical. It's legitimately paranormal.

>>40877312
I get what you are saying, production matters. But for Nirvana it didnt. Vig, Albini, Endino ... none of them mattered. Unplugged was probably Nirvana's best album. And that was just Kurt with a guitar and no distortion. It doesnt make sense and I've spent 30 years trying to wrap my head around it. Kurt Cobain should never have been a thing. But he wasn't just a thing, he was the biggest thing of his generation.

>>40844748 (OP)
I had a teacher in college who was a touring manager for a major label. He said it's an open secret that Courtney killed Kurt. His only explanation was that "she's really into satanism" and something along the lines of artists being worth more dead than alive. This was ~14 years ago, and was my first exposure to the conspiracy theory.

>>40878830
Bad take.
It's paranormal how retarded you are.

>>40844748 (OP)
>Love
Jewish, as in Lev, Lovitz...

>>40879378
Look nigger, if you are gonna call my take a bad take, at least express your opinion as to why and back up your stupid opinion. Your cognitive dissonance doesn't cancel out a well-supported opinio . Tell me why you think Cobain was a great guitar player. Maybe tell me what songs of his were more than just three chords. Or tell me why screaming at the top of his lungs was a sustainable singing practice.

>>40879378
Look nigger, if you are gonna call my take a bad take, at least express your opinion as to why and back up your stupid opinion. Your cognitive dissonance doesn't cancel out a well-supported opinion. Tell me why you think Cobain was a great guitar player. Maybe tell me what songs of his were more than just three chords. Or tell me why screaming at the top of his lungs was a sustainable singing practice.

>>40879479
Listen, anon.
It's not well-supported.
It's like those idiots who don't like nirvana because they got bullied at school by people who wanted to be kurt and thus shift blame to kurt.

>>40878830
You're genuinely retarded. Let's hear your music. Let's hear one of your songs.

>>40879564
You dont know fuck all about music in general. You are just some random idiot that has to change the subject when you get called out. A moron who doesnt understand chords, music theory, or how to play instrument can't grasp what I was talking about. Again, if you have actual info to share, share it or stfu.

>>40879611
Again, why am I retarded? People who take guitar lessons start out on "About a Girl" (Em to G) or Smells like Teen Spirit (bar chord). Compare Cobain's work to Rush, Zeppelin, or even Gun's n Roses. Nirvana songs are ridiculously simple, which basically proves my point. It wasnt the music itself that was the reason Nirvana was popular. It was something more paranormal.

>>40879432
Yep. Something that needs more attention.

>>40879639
Let's hear your stuff.

>>40879611
>Let's hear your music. Let's hear one of your songs.
I can ask the same of you. If the standard to have an opinion on Nirvana is to personally have a hit song, why do you have an opinion?

>>40879643
>Let's hear your stuff.
Again, why do I need to have published music to have an opinion on Nirvana? Why do you get to think they are awesome without knowing shit about music?

>>40879619
Cry about it, anon.
Your opinion is shit.

>>40879645
>>40879650
Imagine doublefag posting like this. Let's hear your songs.

>>40879640
Isn't that a stage name.

>>40878892
sublime used the same technique with bradley nowell

>>40879678
Fine, I'm Dave Grohl. Head over to YouTube to check out my work. Now answer my fucking question. And I'm guessing you wont believe me, which is why your reaponse is fucking stupid. Even if I sold a couple.of million records, you wont believe me one way or another, because you are just being a prick. So how about you stop being a pick and support your stupid opinion with actual logic and fact.

>>40879660
And you are still an idiot that knows nothing about music so maybe you should shut the fuck up.

>>40879732
Let's hear your stuff.

>>40879748
You've never heard of the Foo Fighters? Or Nirvana. Every thing Kurt sold, I sold and then I continued selling. Like I said, I've been trying to wrap my head around Kurt for 30 years. He sucked. I personally witnessed it, then he would just roll into the studio, high AF, two days late and basically one-take a song and it would work. He put no effort into any of it. The songs were simple AF and I tried to duplicate it later but couldn't. I've done ok for myself, but nothing timeless like our Nirvana work. So faggot, wanna help me understand how Kurt pulled it off?

>>40879639
ffs stop talking about music like you have a clue. simple isn't the same as bad - also did you ever try singing while playing the guitar? there's your answer why they are simple rhythm guitar stuff.

>>40879795
Knock it off and let's hear your trash music.

>>40879856
So tell me why I dont have a clue then? Be more specific. If you are an expert of music, you should be able to tell me where I went wrong.

>>40879912
Faggot. I'm literally Dave Grohl. I already said you wouldn't believe me. Its clear you cant support your opinion though, so perhaps you should just shut up and let actual musicians do the talking.

>>40879994
Let's hear it.

>>40880020
Dude. I'm actually Dave Grohl. It's hilarious that I can post on an anonymous board and you don't believe me. I can disclose actual truth to you and you are too stupid to decide for yourself. Oh well, I tried.

>>40879795
shittiest larp i ever heard. grohl literally did the first foo fighters album on his own, a one-man band with vocals and you are certainly not grohl, you don't know your shit. kurt knew HOW to sing, but no matter how he tried he couldn't sound like a harmonizing normie. altho he was admittedly a huge beatles fan, kurt had that rare, soulful ability that most singers wish they had, that sincere vocalization of lyrics. the only living singer i could think of right now who can pull this off is thom yorke. you see, much of bleach was admittedly filler by cobain and york
>>40879660e never takes radiohead seriously like his die-hard fans, but they have this uncanny ability to sing with such emotion effortlessly even if they're not really feeling it

>>40880293
i'm gerard way and I can tell you're full of shit

Rock is a Satanic music

>>40880293
dave grohl sucks. nirvana was better. foo fighters isn't even rock, it's pop music for people who drink light beer and can't name more than 5 states

>>40880332
>shittiest larp i ever heard. grohl literally did the first foo fighters album on his own
Of course I did. That's why I know Kurt sucked. I also went to Ireland for a bit to clear my mind and study modes from a few ritual musicians there. Some of my alternate guitar tunings came out of that period. I was trying to understand music from a mathematical and historical perspective, not the 12 tone notation stuff everyone learns and is limited by. I used a lot of tunings that involve sacred geometry. That influenced my first album.
>a one-man band with vocals and you are certainly not grohl
I do need other people when I tour and I use a lot of studio musicians.
>kurt knew HOW to sing
He really didn't though. He mostly just mumbled and screamed. His vocals were literally like a person too high to know they aren't singing but still thought they were singing.
>but no matter how he tried he couldn't sound like a harmonizing normie
You are too dumb to realize that harmony requires more than one tone, except if you are overdubbing, like we did on Nevermind.
>kurt had that rare, soulful ability that most singers wish they had
Yes you moron. I talked about it in previous posts. For all his flaws, there is a literal magick in his voice. He never mastered how to use it, which is why others steered him and exploited him. You respond to the magick. You dont respond to the voice. Other people channeled his magick and his soul.
>thom yorke
Good voice. Nice falsetto. Kind of a whiny bitch in person. He takes himself too seriously.

Who killed Tupac and Michael Jackson?

>>40880417
>dave grohl sucks. nirvana was better.
I agree with you and I'm Dave Grohl. That's why I'm still interested in talking about Kurt. The multiple rhythms and chords I tuned for specific reasons are way more complex than anything Kurt was capable of. If someone were to take the time to analyze the mathematics of the tunings I use, I think they'd be impressed and would find a lot of hidden meaning I packed into my songs. But Kurt was sublime. He had a power. He could reach into your soul and make you feel things even he didnt understand. For as simple and rudimentary as his musical skills were, the effect wasnt. I'd love to understand his magick and where it came from.

>>40880478
imagine putting this much effort into making music and it still comes out as mid-tier butt rock when people like kurt cobain and the guy from pixies have zero interest in theory and operate on pure talent

>>40880478
>be dave grohl
>into sacred geometry LMAO
>uses words 'nigger' and 'faggot'
>kurt can't sing, just mumbled and screamed in the studio ROFLMAO
kys. you sound like some washed-up, wanabe artist from 2013 who dabbled in some kundalini garbage that never made it. no genexer sounds like you, i promise that. anybody who knew kurt knew he meant business in the recording studio and on stage. other than that, he didn't give a fuck if he was on the nod, whether it be producing some overrated melvins album or filming a tedious music video like "Come as You Are"

>>40880332
kurt wrote that first foo album and drummed on it. everyone knows that. grohl uses click tracks lol

I kind of think that is actually Dave posting here. It’s odd that this topic manifested into my life today.

I would like to hear more from the Diddy anon too.

>>40880613
Mumble rock was already a thing before Kurt
Jim Reid of The Jesus and Mary Chain is the master of it

>>40881190
Combs' ego is big enough that he'd see a "dirty hippie" like Kurt becoming as popular as him as a huge disrespect to himself. Hell would freeze over before he'd let Kurt get to his level of fame
All you'd need then is someone to reinforce the depressed mental state

>>40880613
>into sacred geometry LMAO
You've seen the album cover for 'The Color and the Shape' ... right? Or what you know as the Thelema star of my album 'Dream Widow?" Check out the opening of Everlong for what you would probably call Masonic imagery. I dont know how I could be more obvious.
>uses words 'nigger' and 'faggot'
Do you think my public persona is actually my persona?
>kurt can't sing, just mumbled and screamed in the studio
That's literally what he did. I was there. I saw all of it. Believe what you want. It's funny to me that the truth is staring you in your face and you cant recognize it.

>>40844748 (OP)
so your theory is she had a black bf, and she told him kurt said the n word?

>>40879795
>two days late
You're only giving one specific example.

>>40880488
Good chunk of deaths like that can be traced to Diddy.
Good thing he's already in jail, huh?

>>40879795
Why was Dave jealous of Kurt and had to go so far as to hire Azzerad to parrot his opinion, to make him feel better about himself?

>>40879736
I know quite a bit.

>>40844748 (OP)
It was Allen Wrench. We all know this. Based Eldon "El Duce" Hoke explained it in the interview right before he walked along that train track and killed himself. Allen Wrench even admits it himself in that car video.

>>40881691
He didn't do anything but wipe the scene of fingerprints.
And whine about if he could say he killed kurt, because it was apparently cool to say something like that.

>>40881691
And all El Duce really did was make the plan to kill kurt.

>>40880338
I'm Kurdt and he still kind of sounds like a pretentious momma's boy.

>>40881625
He's getting out soon

>>40882121
Whole "pardon" deal isn't going to work out.
He might have to start naming names.

>>40846155
ewwwwwww

>>40881691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THTod7AM4sU

>>40881378
lol what an esoteric, larping tryhard. the album cover for The Colour and the Shape has zero to do with sacred geometry. do you even know what sacred geometry is? the balls on the album cover is literally a Newton's Cradle toy turned into a molecular structure. Grohl has seen his fair share of them and played with them while in therapy dealing with kurt's death, the dissolution of Nirvana, among other personal things. that's why he's always been very flippant about expressing the true meaning behind it because it's very personal to him

but if you truly are dave, if you can tell me exactly what billie eilish smells like, i'll very likely believe you at least have somewhat close ties to him lol

>>40882544
You never struck me as a fan of Nickelback

>>40883130
And you never will. Only leaf groups I care for nowadays are either Voivod or The B-Girls

Just look at the photos of the gun used, and when/how they were released... Totally a humiliation ritual. How could anyone shoot themselves in the head with this?

https://wgme.com/news/entertainment/for-first-time-police-release-photos-of-gun-used-in-cobain-suicide

Speaking of humiliation ritual; what was Courtney's album called right after he died?

"Live Through This"

Look into what the bitch did to the ex-boyfriend of her daugther, after the daughter had gifted one of Kurt's guitars to him, then wanted it back after splitting it up.... She was going to have the kid killed and his friend basically saved his ass by randomly checking up on him (and calling the cops)...

READ THE DETAILS!!

https://www.spin.com/2018/06/5-things-frances-bean-cobain-exhusband-lawsuit-isaiah-silva/

>>40884289
We aren't all bad
Moist is basically what Kurt wanted the sound to evolve into

>>40884504
Wasn't it Dylans gun?

>>40884736
Who knows. It was clearly staged none the less.

>>40884745
I'm well aware.

>>40884710
Doubt. Moist sounds like some lo-fi, math rock garbage nonsense. Kurt actually had good taste in music and dug melodies and riffs. We disagreed on the Sonics though. I'm sure he thought they were just a bunch of college hipster blues wiggers of their time, I get it, but "The Witch" is still an original, bad jam

>>40881630
>Why was Dave jealous of Kurt
Imagine working hard and taking your craft seriously and some junkie just rolls into a studio and one takes great songs with substandard equipment and writes hits. It's not so much jealousy. It's disappointment. Kurt had so much talent that he just wasted. As good as his songs were, imagine how good they would be if he put effort into them. Imagine if you took his sublime magick and fused that with work ethic. He wouldn't have been the best of a generation, he'd have been rhe beat of all time.

>>40844748 (OP)
>And I swear that I don't have a gun
>No, I don't have a gun
>No, I don't have a gun
>No, I don't have a gun
>No, I don't have a gun
I mean what more proof can you possibly need?

>>40885702
The song is about heroin addiction. He's singing about needles, with the point being that he does indeed have a gun/needle.

>>40882544
>the balls on the album cover is literally a Newton's Cradle
Kinda. I'm glad you picked up on the cradle thing. But the arrangement of the balls was specific. Moreso what's missing from rhe arrangement. You have to understand that I grew up in Alexandria and you probably have no idea why that's important so I won't bother explaining it. But the geometry on that cover is reflected in the chordal structure of many of the songs on that album. There are multiple levels of meaning on the cover. For the inept, it's just a cool design. For normies, it's a perpetual motion machine supposed to demonstrate the conservation of energy, but in a broken and chaotic state. There is a far deeper level. Music, art, geometry, and math are connected. Think beyond the veil you are presently stuck behind.

>>40881630
>Why was Dave jealous of Kurt
Imagine working hard and taking your craft seriously and some junkie just rolls into a studio and one takes great songs with substandard equipment and writes hits. It's not so much jealousy. It's disappointment. Kurt had so much talent that he just wasted. As good as his songs were, imagine how good they would be if he put effort into them. Imagine if you took his sublime magick and fused that with work ethic. He wouldn't have been the best of a generation, he'd have been one of the best of all time.

>>40848833
>The goverment literally kidnaps people to torture them in mind control experiments
>But the goverment said the program ended though, so it's all OK now
I swear newer generations aren't even human

>>40880488

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/duane-keffe-d-davis-files-appeal-with-nevada-supreme-court-to-dismiss-charges-in-tupac-murder/ar-AA1JF5OS

>>40885421
"You know you're right" leans towards that exact sound with its numerical riffs and general lack of processing

>>40844775
دَيُّوث

>>40886122
honestly, that song was very low effort. that heron and courtney really fucked his creative, catchy genius

>>40885713
Lol that is absolutely not what the song is about... He wasn't even using heroin then.

Kurt Cobain described it as "about people, and what they're expected to act like." ...as in we tend to want to know people (friends) under our own conditions, instead of accepting them for who they actually are.

>No, I don't have a gun

..means I don't have any ill/malicious (or even hidden) intentions.

>>40886244
Agreed, sadly.. my least favorite song. He tried so hard with In Utero to not be pop, but that song almost sounds like an attempt at a chart single IMO..

Speaking of Kurt, does anyone else have a mandela about him wearing the pink fuzzy sweater (instead of the leapord/cheetah jacket) in that famous white shades pic?

>>40885728
>Imagine working hard and taking your craft seriously

Dude, he literally sold his soul to become a rockstar... Nirvana was his second fucking band he ever played in. He actually admits this in his book.

https://rockandrollgarage.com/dave-grohl-recalls-seance-for-a-musical-career-with-a-john-bonham-altar/

>>40886405
The Rainman eventually came to take his toll (Taylor Hawkins).. right after that lame ass "Studio 666" shit.

>>40844748 (OP)
New thread >>40886448

>>40886394
i'm almost convinced people are mistaking that pic with a kurt cobain impersonator wearing the same glasses as your picrel in one of the 1990's Things You Never Knew EXISTED catalogs that magically appeared in everyone's mailboxes back in the day. The impersonator had the glasses and was wearing a pink, fuzzy jacket or boa if I recall correctly. Odd thing, is I can't even find that particular catalog pic in google. I know I've seen that cobain impersonator in there in several issues. that almost seems like a mandela effect inception effect lol

>>40886491
Here's a check emulating the pose for an ad though... and picrel is lame ass grohl posing with the sweater

Kurt would have never worn any animal print, of any kind...

>>40885728
>bought into the junkie narrative too
>or worse

>>40885728
Who brought the fake "note" and stabbed a red pen through it?

>>40876159
>His lyrics are nonsensical.
His lyrics were simply vague enough to act as a sonic Rorschach test allowing listeners to project their own meaning into them. It's like when people say how profound modern art is and if you say it's just random brush strokes they act like you aren't sophisticated enough to "get it". No one wants to be perceived as unsophisticated so they go along with it.

Metal and punk fandom had ridiculous self-policing norms against posers. SLTS & Come as You Are captured the angst while inviting a new audience in without requiring "pre-qualification" or agreed upon coolness to be a fan. That's what I think the crossover appeal was.

For the people that gush about what a great guitar player he was, what's the qualifying proof? It'd be one thing if he had Satriani skills but stripped it down for a more simple aesthetic but I see no evidence of that. Songwriting and guitar skills are different talents.

Maybe there's something to the Greek concept of the creative daemon or genius (genie, jinn) and that briefly touched upon his life and affected those around him. I've heard about deity of some sort called the Rain Man that people in the music biz pay homage to.

The industry, media and fans projected profundity onto it and now it's become part of music history lore which then makes it profound in terms of influence and social impact. Funny how they pull that off, it's almost alchemical. Is it any wonder they use precious metals as symbols of accomplishment? Gold records etc.

The role of lore around artists is an often ignored part of the construction of a star. The lore itself is examined this thread, but the construction of lore is taken for granted as authentic when oftentimes isn't. It's all serendipitous discoveries for the magazines and the connections artists have to families in the military, political or intel communities are left out of the "lore".

>>40885728
>As good as his songs were, imagine how good they would be if he put effort into them

The results would be "Nevermind" volumes 1-5. Regardless of how he tried to play it cool and be Mr. Punk Rock Ethos Guy, he was proud of how that album turned out. To produce something like that means giving it your all. Butch Vig has talked about subtle methods he used to get Kurt to go the extra mile. I'd like to visit the timeline where Butch acted as producer for In Utero. It's a great album, but it sounds like heroin and Abini seems like a tool and a pervert.