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Anonymous No.40852678 >>40852719 >>40852839 >>40852943 >>40852961 >>40853282 >>40854074 >>40854089 >>40854604 >>40855798 >>40856397 >>40856457 >>40859250 >>40859269 >>40860283 >>40860384
what are your thoughts on ramakrishna and vivekanda and sarada devi?
particularly the view they had that all religions lead to the same truth
Anonymous No.40852719
>>40852678 (OP)
based
Anonymous No.40852720 >>40852796 >>40854074
take the practices and ideas from religion that work for you
reject all dogma
you are a god but you are not "the" god
forge your own path
Anonymous No.40852796 >>40855481
>>40852720
which god is the god
Anonymous No.40852839
>>40852678 (OP)
jiddu krishnamurti is better saying no religion is true
Anonymous No.40852943
>>40852678 (OP)
notice how the christcuck feds arent shitting up the thread?
Anonymous No.40852961
>>40852678 (OP)
>particularly the view they had that all religions lead to the same truth
This is an orthodox view in advaita vedanta.
Anonymous No.40853282 >>40854074 >>40854568
>>40852678 (OP)
I was involved in RKM for about a year (I attended services at the Vedanta Society of New York), and while it certainly contains a good deal of truth, there's also a lot of problems in the movement. Ramakrishna has dubious claims to be an incarnation of God (and yes, they do claim that he is), he claimed to have mastered all major religions but spent very little time on some of them. For instance, he claimed to have mastered Islam to the point of becoming one with Mohamed, but if you look at the actual account, he only spent three days practicing Islam before moving on to the next thing. Additionally, the marriage between him and Sarada Devi raises questions about his divinity, he married her when he was in his fifties and she was six years old, and while the marriage was supposedly chaste, he was said to have been so lustful for her when she was a young teen that he almost abandoned his chastity. I fail to see how a supposed incarnation of God would half-ass religious studies (and it's already odd that such a divine incarnation would need to study in the first place) and be so thoroughly tempted by a teenage girl. Furthermore, while I know monistic perennialism is popular on this board, there's a serious problem in the approach (especially when they claim that all religions lead to the same truth) insofar as some religions lean strongly towards dualism. There are even a few religions, like Jainism, which are fundamentally dualistic, making claims of all religions teaching a universal non-dualism hard to accept. I also witnessed some cultish elements at the Vedanta society, like lining up to bow before the portraits of Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, and Sarada Devi, but those elements are secondary to the problems in their claims.

If you're looking for a school of thought that highlights the unity of religions without ignoring their differences in the name of a universal non-dualism, William Blake gives a compelling argument.
Anonymous No.40854074 >>40854369 >>40854568
>>40852678 (OP)
>particularly the view they had that all religions lead to the same truth
Yeah I guess I broadly agree.
If God is the source of goodness and truth, then people of all religions will be tapping into these sames goodness and truths and wisdom and love. But there is an infinite variety and shades in which the goodness and truth can be expressed.

>>40852720
demonic mindset

>>40853282
Every guru has good and bad takes.
Learn to sift out the good from the bad, and stop tripping up on their personal flaws.
Anonymous No.40854089
>>40852678 (OP)
I don't agree with the whole Ramakrishna not allowing Vivekananda to dwell permanently in his natural state. In sahaja samadhi you aren't just locked to a seat meditating.
Anonymous No.40854369 >>40854568 >>40860397
>>40854074
>Every guru has good and bad takes.
I agree with that when it comes to religious teachers, theologians, and even prophets, but it's another thing entirely when somebody is deeply flawed while claiming to be an incarnation of God. If a man who married a prepubescent child claims to be God incarnate, that means they're either lying or that God wanted to marry a little girl. Either way, it sounds like complete bullshit, which I know sounds harsh, but I spent a year thinking this was a real path to "moksha" only to find out that a supposed avatar was actually a pervy old man. I don't want others to make the same mistake.
Anonymous No.40854568
>>40853282
>Furthermore, while I know monistic perennialism is popular on this board, there's a serious problem in the approach (especially when they claim that all religions lead to the same truth) insofar as some religions lean strongly towards dualism. There are even a few religions, like Jainism, which are fundamentally dualistic, making claims of all religions teaching a universal non-dualism hard to accept.
While dualists reject nonduality, nondualists do not reject dualism, they merely regard it as incomplete.
>>40854074
>Every guru has good and bad takes.
Any guru worthy of the title must be infallible, and the disciple must regard him as God.

Before Ramakrishna one had to be a Brahmin to be properly trained in Advaita. Vivekananda went on a campaign to popularize it even before he is supposed to have attained self-knowledge. This increased the prestige of Indian philosophy in the West, but it cannot be said that associating oneself with the Vedanta Society or even receiving diksha from one of their swamis is the same as an authentic transmission of the doctrine.

>>40854369
>a pervy old man
This is unimportant.
Anonymous No.40854604 >>40855219
>>40852678 (OP)
Poopoo people
Anonymous No.40855219
>>40854604
racist
Anonymous No.40855254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX8NMkj8TDI
Anonymous No.40855481 >>40855484
>>40852796
brahman
Anonymous No.40855484 >>40855516 >>40855579
>>40855481
but atman is brahman
Anonymous No.40855516
>>40855484
depends on your perspective
Anonymous No.40855579 >>40856448 >>40858610
>>40855484
Atman is eternally an infinitesimal spark of (Para)brahman, even after liberation. To realize this is to be free. The last snare of illusion is believing that atman in quantitatively Brahman. Merging is an illusory experience, like an acid trip. Being illusory, it is also temporary.
Anonymous No.40855798
>>40852678 (OP)
bump
Anonymous No.40856397
>>40852678 (OP)
cringe
Anonymous No.40856419 >>40856429
you are a culture of trash, all your philosophy means shit when you treat nature like you do

demonic hypocrites
Anonymous No.40856429 >>40856476
>>40856419
that could be the same for whitey and east asian aswell
Anonymous No.40856448 >>40856697 >>40861456
>>40855579
>even after liberation
what does this even mean? this is the problem, is just a big jerk off, and its selfish
Anonymous No.40856457
>>40852678 (OP)
what does liberation mean if we are god experiencing itself,
Anonymous No.40856476 >>40856481 >>40856491
>>40856429
>that could be the same for whitey

this is simply not true, while westerns are dumb consumers, at least trash get properly rounded up and deposited in landfills in which the trash can decay without making the rivers look like this

this fucking "the west is the same" is the most ridiculous cope, no, no no India is not the fucking same as Western countries for God's sake, are you fucking insane?!?!?!?

this is what all this buddhist shit does, turns your brain into mush
Anonymous No.40856479
Anonymous No.40856481 >>40856495
>>40856476
your civic system is better but ultimately its all the elites faults
Anonymous No.40856490
not even in Mexico do you shit like this
Anonymous No.40856491
>>40856476
*buddhist
actually is advaita vedanta
Anonymous No.40856495 >>40856514
>>40856481
classic bullshit communist trash, its not the elites fault, its yours
Anonymous No.40856514
>>40856495
we are living in the kali yuga so of course things will be dreary
Anonymous No.40856697
>>40856448
Why is it selfish?
Anonymous No.40856946
ALL COSMOS NEVER EXISTED, ALL COSMOS BEGAN WITH MANTRAS AND COSMOS OF THE COSMOS.
Anonymous No.40857117 >>40857122 >>40857839
I am so tired of everything to do with india and jeets. I wish they'd stay in their lane, is that too much to ask?
Anonymous No.40857122
>>40857117
you christians and islamsist should have left indians alone
Anonymous No.40857839 >>40857909
>>40857117
kali loves you
Anonymous No.40857909 >>40858759
>>40857839
The demon maybe
Anonymous No.40858610 >>40861465
>>40855579
If you were really liberated you wouldn’t be spending your time here on this website
Anonymous No.40858759
>>40857909
>supposed uber-powerful demon that reigns over the present cosmic cycle of decline, can only be defeated by a messianic avatar
>most famous images make it look like a goofy bunyip
What did they mean by this?
Anonymous No.40859250
>>40852678 (OP)
Read them in this order, you will understand a lot
1. https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/36931222/#36931222
2. https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/36976168/#36976168
3. https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/37023268/#37023268
4. https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/37093515/#37093515
5. https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/37134196/#37134196
6. https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/37237392/#37237392
7. https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/37333243/#37333243
Anonymous No.40859269 >>40859576
>>40852678 (OP)
>all religions creeds and fundamentally people are the same truth
>indians are the most arrogant supremacist pices of shit that push their hindu ways in the lands they migrate too
its a lie
Anonymous No.40859576
>>40859269
It's a lie specifically the way you phrased it.
It's a half-truth specifically the way OP phrased it.
According to Ramakrishna there is one truth beyond name and form, of which every name and form of God is a reflection. All religions lead to the same truth in the same sense that many reflections in rippling water might be traced back to the same source.
It's a human habit to look at one's reflection in a mirror and suppose that one beholds one's own face. You have never seen your own head, and likewise no one knows what God is.
I think it's quite pointless to agree or disagree with Ramakrishna on this. It should be obvious that no one religion claims the authority to interpret the scriptures or traditions of any other, so anything anyone says about it is a worthless opinion. First know yourself, then see for sure whether he was right.
Anonymous No.40860283
>>40852678 (OP)
I don't think of them
Anonymous No.40860368
My guess is that they probably achieved some higher level of consciousness but their teachings uses language which is not understandable from all kinds of people.
Anonymous No.40860384
>>40852678 (OP)
india is spiritual leader of world!
Anonymous No.40860397
>>40854369
The whole point of a Guru though, is to tell you that inside you are identical to God. If they can't reveal the big truth of identity to their disciple, because they haven't realized it themselves, then they don't even qualify as a guru.
Anonymous No.40861456
>>40856448
The atman's (soul's) purpose is to serve Brahman (God). Liberation from illusion is achieved through serving God, without any ulterior motive.
Anonymous No.40861465
>>40858610
Everything that exits (including this message board) is an expansion of God's/Brahman's energies. And it's true purpose is to be engaged in Brahman's service.