Thread 40856036

Memory is Time Travel
prove me wrong

god I wish I could be back in her arms like that

>>40856077
science say time is always happening all the time so you are still in her arms in that timeshot of time which is still happening

>>40856082
>science say time is always happening all the time so you are still in her arms in that timeshot of time which is still happening

>>40856036 (OP)
Oh, oh. I Know this one, I file it in "things that may be true, but don't really change anything." Both thought and memory are modes of remote viewing. Memory is mostly fixed because the path to get there is imprinted with the signposts leading to where you are now. Thoughts of the future are fluid and remain to selected from the manifold paths. Mandela effect happens because sometimes the signposts get pointed the wrong way, and now you are traveling down the wrong path to find the memory.

>>40856111
but are they alive?

>>40856132
Are you?

>>40856141
Yes. The question is are thoughts and memories also living ?

>>40856180
Do you mean the contents of the thoughts and memory, or the thoughts themselves.

>>40856220
the thoughts themselves

>>40856036 (OP)
Remote viewing*

>>40856227
I think yes. I personally think the lives and struggles of ideas just as alive if not more than the small projection of moments we use to navigate through them.

>>40856036 (OP)
No, I wont.
Because you're correct, memory is the most basic form of time travel.

>>40856252
I would tend to agree.

>>40856180
It depends, do you think memories are physically in your head and your brain/body stores that much data?
Or do you think your brain just stores "coordinates" for where the memory exists in 5d space and when you remember things you just mentally travel to that space?
If memory works like the latter model, what happens when you mentally travel to places you don't remember?

>>40856276
That's how you get Phillip K. Dick. And maybe Heinlein

>>40856276
>do you think memories are physically in your head and your brain/body stores that much data?
I think memories, like thoughts, are living vibrational patterns / waveforms that inhabit our minds the same way a plant inhabits a pot filled with soil.

>>40856313
Nice sidestep, but you can still answer.
Are memories purely local?
Or are they locational with a level of complexity that maybe only you can access?

In the first model, if you step outside the memory what would happen?
Would you step into another memory? Maybe one that connects to the one you were just in?

In the second model, if you step outside the memory what would you see? other timelines? other variants of the same memory being played out? Keep in mind this model can also perform the actions of model A, and you can jump from location to location associated with the memories.

In both models the memory can be a "living vibrational pattern/waveform that inhabits the mind" neither model needs to invalidate that aspect of your perspective.

Which feels more true to you?

>>40856291
Both truly men worthy of reverence for the sheer diligence of what they accomplished.
They practically built the modern culture landscape.

>>40856539
I disagree that what
>>40856313
said was a dodge. I specifically mentioned Dick and Heinlein because they seem to demonstrably be visionaries who stepped outside of the space they knew, and brought back what was outside. However as you note, they built our culture landscape. This done by preparing fertile soil and spreading seeds into it, to loop back to what you term a "sidestep"

>>40856637
I asked you about the nature of a thing, and you talked about the downstream effects of that nature while intentionally ignoring the nature of it.
It is actually a sidestep, it's okay to say you don't know, or you haven't thought about it too, I'm not trying to be aggressive or accusational about your identity, and I don't know if you've encountered this paradigm before.
I'm not denying the ability of memory to be sown and grown like seeds, I'm asking where the seeds come from, and giving two possible rational scenarios. If you think the seeds don't come from within you, or within reality, that's a different position entirely and I'd be interested in hearing you defend it.

>>40856707
I'm not
>>40856313
I specified my thought as to it being model B all the way up at
>>40856111
Every path can be explored, but You only travel down one to reach the goal.

>>40856749
Sorry, I should have said "is being explored." It's late.

>>40856767
Oh okay, I misunderstood your response then.
I also think it's model B, and that fits with the scientific representation of Time as the set of all possible configurations of 3d matter in a 4d space.
This makes memory(Observed time) into 5D space, which is the set of all possible configurations of time(4d space) across 5D space, which is specific perspectives of observers.
An interesting effect of this model is that even if, let's say you and I take seeds from the same place, the nature of the measurement means our seeds will inherently be different, because we both see the plant they come from differently due to our differing perspectives of lived experience.

Time travel that I don't have access to

>>40856036 (OP)
if this there is no present only the maximum of futures remembrance.

>>40856804
>An interesting effect of this model is that even if, let's say you and I take seeds from the same place, the nature of the measurement means our seeds will inherently be different, because we both see the plant they come from differently due to our differing perspectives of lived experience.
This is exactly why i said I didn't think it was a dodge, since the other party and I were discussing the independent lives of ideas, and our shallow projections of them, just prior to your question.

>>40856855
Well then I hope you can appreciate the standard of specificity I hold discussions to, I don't mince terms if I don't have to.
on the independent lives of ideas angle, it's entirely possible to have a non-conscious living entity in any kind of space manifold. Conscious entities must be able to solve the full 5D paradigm for themselves, but archetypes can live in lower dimensions. Someone like PKD is a 4D archetype, a complex memory shape born from the recognition of a lived perspective, or in other words the spirit of PKD.
Every time someone looks at the PKD archetype and discovers some new association with it, the idea grows, quite literally, in dimensional space.

>>40856855
In fact, to take the metaphor one step further... not seeds, but cuttings. Each the same plant, but growing differently each place it sets roots.

>>40856916
>Cuttings
an apt term, as we're essentially talking about limited dimensional "slices" of a larger multidimensional object.

>>40856926
Yes, I'm pretty sure that the three of us are, if not exactly, pretty much on the same page here.

This is OP.
I planted a Thought in all of your Minds, and now it Lives there. It will Live in your mind for as long as you nurture it with your Attention.

>>40856951
Joke's on you(well, me to really), I already collect exotic plants.

>>40856951
>claiming credit for divine work

>>40857012
You're the one calling me divine, I just did the work.

>>40856082
>>40856084
See Time like a DVD you are watching but you lost the remote controller, so you can't pause or go backwards or anything, but past events don't disappear, they're still there on the DVD.

>>40857119
I'm not calling you divine, I'm calling the divine divine, and you're trying to egotistically attribute it to yourself when many of us, myself included, came here with full knowledge of what you were talking about.
You're taking something fundamentally good and corrupting it.

>>40856539
Not him but I think the universe works like a computer program and the brain contains only shortcuts to data, not the data. I see it like when you do "var1 = 5" the variable var1 does not contain the data, it's just a shortcut to an address in the memory of the computer where the value "5" is stored. And just like a computer doesn't really erase data but only considers that part of its memory or storage as an empty space and will write something else there later but for now the old data are still there, there are parts in the global memory of the universe that you sometimes can access to by error, memories that belong to people who are now dead, which is the explanation to why people believe in past lives.

>>40856036 (OP)
It’s dimension hopping.
You are entering into a filtered version of that moment.
You don’t remember everything in it.

>>40859152
Makes sense, thats model B.
The past lives theory is interesting too, almost like you're taking an orthogonal step outside your own perspective to adjacent ones and placing yourself at a sixth data point. ;)

>>40859140
You sound confused, anon.

>>40856036 (OP)
We often learn subjects in classes via memorization. How is that time travel?

>>40860072
Sorry it sounds confusing, but its a straight line.
By claiming credit yourself, you cut the divine out of the equation, and killed the impact it could've had.
Thats how this subtle stuff works.

>>40856036 (OP)
Time isn't real. I experience all of creation from all perspectives all at once.

>>40856749
>only travel down one to reach the goal
Maybe that's the ideal path, lest you allow wrong connections and things to get attached while traveling the less optimal path

>>40860557
The divine worked through me to implant an idea in you.

>>40862149
Not even a little bit bud, keep telling yourself that.

>>40862160
Jesus had his doubters, too.

>>40856036 (OP)
>>40856082

time is bs
there’s only relative events

>science says
my ass

Sup anons, thanks for making this thread.

I do have a question. So lately I have been having dreams about the place, road and village where I used to live and where I grew up. I have also been wishing or having very strong fedling related to the time I spent there growing up, wishing I made better decisions while I was at those stages of my life growing up and living there.


What are these dreams telling me? Can I alter the past?

>>40864905
*Or having very strong feelings

>>40856036 (OP)
Consciousness is exogenous, Man is a 4Dimentional creature that creates a point of reference for the Self in timespace by referencing from the past and plotting for the future. The present doesn't exist beyond said point of reference for the self.

>>40864950
What about the past? Isnit fixed?

>>40856084
>it isn't so

wew lad

>>40864950
What about the past? Is it fixed?

>>40864952
Only in your line. Time "travel" is actually timeline "skipping".

>>40864962
Can you please elaborate?

>>40864971
Ok. If you were to say, "travel to the past" in your own line, you'd be violating causality, thus "breaking spacetime". However, intuition tells us such a fabric must be unbreakable, or just the mere -thought- of breaking spacetime could send ripples across probability and ensure it happens -if- it wasn't virtually indestructible in the first place. So we can get rid of causality's need d'etre based in that thought alone, at least for this excercise. So, say, if I wanted to go to the past, Me and everything related to me existing in that timeline is absolutely erased, as if I had never existed: Lower and higher dimentional probabilities mend the "errors" with the current one, like slides of cheese, making a solid plausible reality for all observers to enjoy (hence, also Mandela effects). So, in the new timeline, in the desired coordintes of the 4thdimentional manifold of space, you are plopped, fresh and all. You are -technically- violating causality, but that's ok, again: Higher/lower probability fields come to to your rescue and fill the voids, and there you are, -sewn seamlessly into the new fabric, as expected.- Only now the Flintstones are called "The Flinstones".

Inb4 timespace drift:
>Such advanced hardware wouldn't have a triangulation locking system
>Let alone the ability to shift phase into more basic dimensions and literally travel throughout a LITERAL straight string of timespace

>>40865057
I should also mention, it is IMPOSSIBLE to return to the precisely exact timeline left. That's 5dimentional fairytales.

>>40856036 (OP)
You remember the future?

>>40865175
You -imagine- it.

Next.

>>40865057
Can you travel to the past or change it?