Thread 40867158

Recently I became aware of the Tibetan Bhuddist concept of the Vajra Body, or Diamond Body. Its apparently the concept of the physical body or consciousness undergoing some kind of transmutation and becoming near immortal, supposedly hard as diamonds, The color red is mentioned in some instances. In the gnostic texts referencing this is supposedly seen as a way for the awakened spirit to continue to exist in the material universe of time/death while also having higher abilities and not being purely bound by the conditionality of the Demiurges loosh farm, spiritual evolution hierarchy of beings, traveling back and forth between the non-demiurgic realms and this one, at will.

https://www.wisdomlib.org/concept/vajra-body
> the Vajra body signifies a transformation of one's physical form, representing a spiritual essence that is deeply connected to the nature of the Buddhas.

Synonyms: Diamond body, Adamantine body, Indestructible body, Celestial body
> 1) A term describing the indestructible form or essential nature of consciousness, comparable to the pressure of prana flowing through the nadis.[1
(1) The vajra body is an indestructible physical form accomplished through practices like consuming the sky as food, a type of yoga.[7]
https://tibetanmedicine-edu.org/tmm/trh/tsalung-healing-practice/the-vajra-body/

>>40867158 (OP)
Two practical things you have to have in mind.
1. Atharvaveda might REALLY help when you study anything Vajrayana, specially when you focus on Buddhism as a neverending Vratyastoma [Kóryos] process
2. Vajra [thunder/diamond] was a WEAPON, originally cast iron bar with a copperwire wrapped around it WITH some other intricacies of gold and diamonds. [Representations of it are profuse not only in Eastern and Southern Asia, but also in ancient middleeast AND greece[ in marduk's and zeus's hands]]

>The ‘man-machine’ with whom everything depends upon external influences, with whom everything happens, who is now one, the next moment another, and the next moment a third, has no future of any kind; he is buried and that is all. Dust returns to dust. This applies to him. In order to be able to speak of any kind of future life there must be a certain crystallisation, a certain fusion of man’s inner qualities, a certain independence of external influences. If there is anything in a man able to resist external influences, then this very thing itself may also be able to resist the death of the physical body...But even if something survives, its future can be very varied. In certain cases of fuller crystallisation, what people call ‘reincarnation’ may be possible after death, and, in other cases, what people call “existence on the other side’. In both cases it is the continuation of life in the ‘astral body’, or with the help of the ‘astral body’. You know what the expression ‘astral body’ means. But the systems with which you are acquainted and which use this expression state that all men have an ‘astral body’. This is quite wrong. What may be called the ‘astral body’ is obtained by means of fusion, that, is, by means of terribly hard inner work and struggle. Man is not born with it. And only very few men acquire an ‘astral body’. If it is formed it may continue to live after the death of the physical body, and it may be born again in another physical body...Fusion, inner unity, is obtained by means of ‘friction’, by the struggle between ‘yes’ and ‘no’ in man […] if a struggle begins in him, and particularly if there is a definite line in this struggle, then, gradually, permanent traits begin to form themselves, he begins to ‘crystallise’...
(P. D. Ouspensky, In Search of the Miraculous, 1969)

>What, then, is a ghost? It is exactly what Gurdjieff teaches concerning the product of psychic crystallisation effected from within the physical body, and which can resist the death of the latter. This is the “astral body” of which Gurdjieff said that, “if it is formed it may continue to live after the death of the physical body...if it is not re-born, then, in the course of time, it also dies; it is not immortal but it can live long after the death of the physical body.”

>A ghost is always constituted as a consequence of crystallisation, i.e. crystallisation of a desire, a passion, or a purpose of great intensity, which produces a complex of energy in the human being. Thus, a “genuine brigand” who stands “with a rifle behind a stone by the roadside for eight hours without stirring” or “a monk...(who) is afraid of the devil (and) all night long he beats his head on the floor and prays” (Ouspensky, op. cit., p. 32) in fact crystallise within them a complex of energy, a psycho-electrical double, which would be able, as a dense complex, to resist death.

>And the same thing that happens with human beings who are possessed by strong desires, passions and intentions can be achieved methodically by making use of the scientific method of the “construction of the tower of Babel”. Then one could not only animate the double crystallised from a desire, a passion or a dominant intention, but also equip it with an intellectual apparatus of very developed functioning and a mechanical memory in which all the facts of experience on the physical plane are accumulated. The “self” of such an occultist would then be allied to this double, who is the bearer of his memory and intellect, and could incarnate himself anew—avoiding purgatory and the whole path of purification, illumination and union which is the lot of the human soul after death.

>It is therefore not purely and simply a matter of an illusion in the case of the ideal and method of the “construction of the tower of Babel”. Rather, it is a matter of another kind of immortality, notably that which the serpent of Genesis had in mind when he said, “You will not die if you eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil”. For the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil produces the inner friction in man of the struggle between “yes” and “no”, and this friction in its turn produces the electrical fire which effects the crystallisation whose product will resist death. This is the meaning of the promise of the serpent. This programme underlies the millennial-old method of the “construction of the tower of Babel”, and it constitutes the esoteric kernel or the hidden secret of materialistic science in general.
[…]
>In returning to the question posed at the beginning of this Letter: Did the serpent of Genesis simply lie?—we are now able to answer: no, he did not lie. He opposed to divine immortality another immortality: that of crystallisation from below above, or the “tower of Babel”. He advanced the bold programme —but real and realisable—aiming at a mankind which would be composed of the living and of ghosts, with the latter reincarnating almost without delay and avoiding the way which leads through purgatory to heaven.

>You see now, dear Unknown Friend, why the Church was hostile to the doctrine of reincarnation, although the fact of repeated incarnations was known—and could not remain unknown—to a large number of people faithful to the Church with authentic spiritual experience. The deeper reason is the danger of reincarnation by way of the ghost, where one avoids the path of purification (in purgatory), illumination and celestial union. For humanity could succumb to the temptation of preparing for a future terrestrial life, instead of preparing for purgatory and heaven, during earthly life.

>>40867158 (OP)
>>40867179
Most of this is not literal probably. Like we all have seen the monk who died by immolation. So your body probably doesn't turn into vajra.

>>40867737
Vratya is focused on tapas but his aim was towards divinity . Buddhism is nihilistic. There can be no similarity between the two. Vratya was out of brahminical social order only.

Wow cool thread and 0 replies classic /x/. I feel like I might be getting close to something like this - pure emptiness of mind almost though I still fall to lustful desire at times which brings me back to ego/self/body. Like how to describe it? I'd have dreams or visions now as a sort of conciousness and not the actual one in it. I'd also focus and see body like my head being plastered in energy almost breaking the illusion of flesh? Now, don't get me wrong, what you're saying is cool and I'm nowhere near being near immortal ofc still gotta eat and shit but I like to think I'm on the right path towards something like this? It's a cool read anyway. I just hope me using mind to create sexual fantasies in time of weakness doesn't cripple it too much, it's hard to let go completely. I no what you mean by clining to shit which could "crystalise" it. I would cling to lustful desire, jealously, wanting revenge for injustice and it just stops me from being in that "state" of conciousness, no self

>>40869326
I can confirm this btw, my spirit has been broken into many pieces a total loss of self and conciousness, void but you can "get back" from the grasps of mental illness and all sorts with Buddhism as a core grounding for truth. It helped so much to break the illusion. I really just face sexual fantasy kundalini energy or demigure in times of weakness which kind of resets my progress it feels. The pleasure or feeling is always illusionary, temporary and feels like it would never lead to escape from rebirth (tho its wrong to ignore desire completely, it can be enpowering too if you control it but don't let it consume you like I did/do)

>>40867158 (OP)
It's a free will decision.

Should this person write something? If the last digit is a seven then yes.

>>40870632
>>40870661
understand the nature of lust
there is an anon who has gone to the root of it, he says the the intensity of lust is directly proportional to the rate at which body's cells are falling apart (thus creatng the urge to reproduce)
and cells fall apart as we consume foods which turn our blood and cells acidic
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40838607/#40839982

understand it

>>40871017
>https://archive.org/details/the-forbidden-religion-primordial-gnosis-by-jose-m.-herrou-aragon
Thanks I will and I'm reading >>40869322 link too in more detail it's a great read and helping a lot too. Glad I found it before jannies removed thread with 0 replies.

>>40871017
On my first acid trip I came to the realization that fasting is the key to overcoming any impulse or addiction because all other impulses and addictions are derived from a disregulated hunger signaling system. Hunger being the most basic, most primordial instinct, far above and beyond sex. All other urges are derivations of hunger, hunger repurposed, hunger seeking something other than food to satiate. Quitting cigarettes cold turkey is tough, but denying yourself food when you’re hungry is way tougher. If you can train yourself to deny your hunger, and last until the feeling passes (usually just a few minutes), you will equip yourself with the discipline to deny any and all other impulses that you find unpleasant.

In order to achieve the Vajra body, you have to meditate / astral travel and connect with your higher self on a daily basis.
Channel the higher self energy into your physical body, and let it fill you up.

You will be intuitively guided on what to do next.

>>40871463
I posted some excerpts here yesterday that detail exactly why this is a terrible idea. You’re choosing to forgo eternity and instead stay here, stuck here, until your astral body eventually dies too. It’s not permanent. The astral body is an open system, or dissipative structure, it must intake and dissipate energy from its environment to sustain its ordered form. Without constant input of energy it dies quickly. This is why the pagans would worship their ancestors, to feed energy to their ghosts, to keep them animated here on this plane. The more concentrated worship to one particular ancestor, the more energetic that ghost becomes and the more it can be used for by the living—and so ancestor cults were gradually replaced with state cults directing whole nations toward the maintenance of just one or a few ghosts.

I have a weird theory that demigure and "souls" are actually alien and he didn't create the earth, but came to evolve his "souls/aliens" wit an animal (human) but it kept corrupting them than evolving so he "stole" the "spark" which is our spirit. Thoughts?

>>40871660
Go do your homework Timmy

>>40871690
It makes sense tho, it still is saying our true self is enslaved by a demigure - just that originally the "soul" a demigure creation was actually a race of beings which tried to "combine" with animals (in this way earth existed and animals before they arrived) which led to corruption so they "stole and enslaved" spirit (true self/spark).

Banger thread OP, thanks for the effort

Does it not contradict though that one hates all that is created including soul and body (around page 90-100) but then it states before that, when spirit is awakened the soul and body become one and recreated through spirit awakening.. so which is it?

>>40872258
and what I mean by this is not just purely self but if option 2 is the case, then why would one choose to "rebel" on all that is demigure when they themselves can awaken spirit and thus soul and body rather than just blindly destroy like some islam screaming allah (which is demigure ironically)

>>40872258
Why not just read the book, it's very short, and quite good imo. The pages I posted are the very end of the book, it has a whole chapter on the difference between soul and spirit.

>>40867158 (OP)
Just complete your microcosmic orbit and burn in bro.

>>40874110
>>40874110
After reading I still think it has some contradiction. I think it's true to some extent but I disagree in how they rebel and fight. Escape and freedom comes within, seeing the delusion of body and soul (according to this) and freeing the spirit. Choosing to cause pain and suffering to one up the demigure only causes degradation of your own spirit (why become what you hate) and also keep in mind others have spirits trapped and asleep too so why not choose to help or do good to awaken them in truth than cause pain. Nah, tho I do agree with it, just not the methods of fighting. True gnostic would be awakened spirit and body and soul having no effect, liberation from fear and the world. "Rebelling" can be seen as good if it's to help others such as spread truth online or in person, anything that actively helps other spirits awaken but to just do bad shit to "fight the demigure and break his illusion" is only resulting in you causing suffering to those already victims. It's dangerous, can see why some fall into delusion and so some bad shit to innocent people after reading, you need to be wise enough and grounded when reading

>>40876402
Thats cool you decided to actually read it. That book had quite an impact on me, i think moreso than anything else ive read in a long time. I dont agree with all of it either, particularly the use of the judeo term Satan to describe the demiurge, but i understand the intent behind doing that as valid, to a degree. Not entirely sure why you think rebellimg against the demiurge, as an illusory body/soul attempting to awaken and wholly become Spirit, would necessarily “cause pain”. I dont really see that as self evident at all. Perhaps you could explain more what you mean. Also, theres another book which Id say is supplementary to Forbidden Religion, called “Hyperborean Physics” which goes into the mechanics of the whole Divine Spark/Spirit thing. Havent finished it myself but its only 98 pages
https://archive.org/details/hyperborean-physics_202501
Heres an audio clip of the same name, not sure of the source book, but the author is de Rosario, who id also recomend reading the excerpt “Gnostic Fragments” which he wrote:
https://archive.org/details/idoc.pub_gnostic-fragments
Gonna try and force myself to finish Hyperborean Physics tonight.

Forgot the audio link
https://archive.org/details/youtube-Eq0oJr6DtHw