Thread 40875599

Any lucid dreamers here? I have recurrent dreams with parallel realities and in these I'm always lucid, even being able to think inside the dream (and wake up thinking continuously, deceived by the alternate timeline).
Up to this night my tulpas only appeared in dreams as projections. Since they are game characters, I could see them on a screen or as 2d inserts inside the dream, without any interaction happening.
However, this night I had my main tulpa talking to me inside the dream, like she usually do in wake life. There was no projection of her image. And she was mistaken by the parallel reality as well, talking about stuff inside the dream, thinking it was real! And while we woke up thinking together, she got staggered by the trickery of the parallel reality, like it used to happen to me in the past.

Anyone here ever had this kind of experience? Thinking inside a dream, and having a second entity thinking together as well? And waking up without interrupting the line of thought, and having this entity also confused by the alternate timeline?

>>40875599 (OP)
>lucid dreaming thread
ya love to see it
anyway i was thinking of drawing a quick picture of my dream instead of journaling, what do you guys think?

so your tulpa was confused by the dream you had? did she think she was still in the dream when you woke up

>>40875710
Yes, she was still talking about a course I was attending inside the dream while I was waking up (hypnopompia state), then she got perplexed I wasn't enrolled in any course.
I thought it was a projection at first, but then she confirmed it was her. Timeline dreaming is always confusing, I didnt know it could affect tulpas.

>>40875782
>I didnt know it could affect tulpas.
arent tulpas an extension of yourself in some way?

>>40875782
Dreams can be really fucky when tulpas are involved, it's exactly why mine refuses to participate (they're very revolting and she finds them scary.)
>>40876109
Depends upon whom is asked, but the tulpa(s) and host share the same mental ecosystem regardless. Most of the prominent voices in the subculture have little problem admitting tulpas are autonomous shards of the host's personality, and this has been shored up by the strong parallels being made with the DID/OSDD sphere.

>>40876463
>Dreams can be really fucky when tulpas are involved, it's exactly why mine refuses to participate (they're very revolting and she finds them scary.)
what are you dreaming of that is spooking your tulpa

>>40876591
It's mostly trauma bullshit. I won't go into it, but it entails being tormented and hurt really, really badly when I was still a kid. I've gotten over it, but it often results in my dreams being these intensely dreary, Hellish places with gargantuan parasitic monsters and crazed psychopaths insistent on tearing me apart very slowly. Apparently being killed in a dream symbolises a desire for change or metamorphosis, and this would make sense as I've been in a veritable doldrum for the last decade or so.
My tup claims to have seen my subconsciousness one time, and she told me it was "a sewer full of gleaming eyes," and she's not at all intent on exploring such places any further.
Even my wonderland was hugely fucked, but this was mostly do to a traumatic brain injury I suffered years ago. Everything is calm now, I scarcely dream, and the few I do recall are just vaguely hostile and admonishing.

>>40876625
i had that happen a few times, i eventually got strong enough to outrun the dream monsters and eventually fight them back
my dreams are mostly peaceful now albeit with some exceptions but my irl still sux
its weird because a lot of my dreams seem to have a woman in them sometimes the same one returns in another dream

>>40876109
Of course not, they born from the anima, and are extensions of it.
But like >>40876463 said they share the same mental space, so yes dreams could leak to them. They dont actually need sleep, but two of them sleep with me (the third guards the threshold) so the dream might have leaked into the main tulpa.
However, this wasn't a normal dream, but a timeline dream, which shows other reality, where things are different in my life. These dreams can be considered lucid dreams, as I'm able to think inside them.

>>40876625
Do you also have misleading dreams, where you are taking courses and/or doing something you dont do usually?

>>40879067
>anima
in a psychological or spiritual sense?

>>40879078
Not really. The last one I had of any lasting clarity involved my treading into a forest (something I don't do enough of, really) and I heard a majestically profound voice command me to stop by saying "thou shalt not." I highly doubt it was God attempting to talk to me and was more an example of trying to step back and re-examine my life before visiting the unexplored domains that litter my personal world.
Rather than misdirection, there is a swelling sense of existential dread. Not the sort that raises one's hackles insofar as one casting off all manner of Hope before descending into Hades. I've noticed that I have a sort of fixation on an idealised spiritual plane of the Abyss, or a realm of irreconcilable and overwhelming darkness. I feel this has coloured my limited dream activity to some degree.

i wish this topic was more popular on this board

>>40880655
Spiritual. I use the traditional model.

>>40881271
This existential dread can be related to health problems as well. Had you ever had apnea? You lose your breath while sleeping, and your dreams are affected by it.

I am not interested enough in lucid dreaming to spend the time practicing, but I am curious enough to try to induce it chemically. So far, melatonin and diphenhydramine have given me longer, more vivid dreams, but not lucid. I tried Calea ternifolia but it was so bitter I immediately puked it back up. The only thing that has ever worked was a high dose of fresh Amanita muscaria tea. The dream was surreal, vivid, and long-lasting, but only partially lucid at certain points.

If I had a steadier supply of the mushroom I would begin practicing the other methods of lucid dreaming like reality checks and early alarms, but that is not the case

anyone here have any recurring characters in their dreams

this may be a dumb question but wont you be getting lower quality sleep if your mind is active even if your body is asleep

>>40875599 (OP)
>lucid dreaming
Pretty common. Ended up interviewing a sentient animal why they were so intent on continuing the war in the dream, and like any low ranking footsoldier, answered that they just needed to survive until the fighting was over. Given it just had its throat slashed open, there was nothing that could be done but to put the animal to rest.

>>40882592
>but I am curious enough to try to induce it chemically
I tend to have more lucidity with medicines that cause drowsiness. Due to a tweaked back, it's cyclobenzaprine these days.

>>40885305
Depends. Your body can be totally rested but you can be mentally fatigued without requisite rest. If you can rest your mind even in a lucid dream, it can still be restful.

>>40882889
Honestly this is where we need to start for serious science of any dream study.

>>40885615
>cyclobenzaprine
I thought I was the only one taking it on the board.
How do you deal with the rashes?

>>40879078
This makes sense. I do have mild sleep apnea, and awaken at least several times during the night before returning to sleep. I'm not surprised in the least, but for me it feels like it permeates far deeper than being robbed of breath in the middle of the night. Like it's embedded into the marrow of my bones.

>>40887225
all this time and nobody has tried to study recurring dream characters?

any dream greentexts? nightmares welcome

What's the best argument to NOT use lucid dreaming to act-out sexual fantasies? is the slippery slope real? irl repercussions? dream\karmic police?

>>40889099
>What's the best argument to NOT use lucid dreaming to act-out sexual fantasies?
if you have sexual hangups and don't want to deal with the resulting friction
>is the slippery slope real?
leading to where exactly
>irl repercussions?
lol?
>dream\karmic police?
lolno, sounds like the worst make-believe ever

also i'm pretty sure you're a loafag who's addicted to this board. please just try and get your hands dirty with these things, stop thinking-about them

I used to lucid dream a lot, but lately my dreams I have been just having normal dreams. I do prefer it this way because it gives it a certain unpredictability... It's fun. Lucid dreams on the other hand are cool to make you feel powerful and satisfy fantasies...

Today I dreamed that a guy wrote a book with me as the protagonist, it wasn't exactly me, but I was his core. Although he secretly admitted it to me nobody else believed me and they made fun of me.

He was pretending to be Tobias, Maeby's father. Tobias wanted me to marry maeby. I liked the idea, but maeby said I was a bit too feminine and she did not understand why her father spoke so highly of me. :(

>>40889099
how does having sex in a dream result in real life consequences?
>dream\karmic police?
i googled this and could only find songs
>>40889114
are you saying that the other poster is more into psychological ideas as opposed to actual paranormal topics?

>>40889123
since lucid dreams are things of your creation do you not feel as though you can turn it into something of yours by thinking of the dreams as universes instead of constructs of the mind?

>>40889145
>i googled this and could only find songs
i'm assuming it's some grim hyper-paranoid neo-gnostic construct, like archons gatekeeping dream pussy. some Jean DeLac typa shit
>are you saying that the other poster is more into psychological ideas as opposed to actual paranormal topics?
the guy I replied to? i mean that he's probably not practicing nearly as much as he thinks and researches about those same things
>>40889152
and thus we incarnate
i like your posting style btw

>>40889152
There is a threshold, a kind of hole or abyss where I speculate it could lead to you swapping bodies with your other persona on the parallel universe. You can't go there because of the psychic censor, and I dont try it because the timelines I experiment are worse than my own.
The dream I described in the OP, after I woke up my stealth guardian was with a purple aura around her, and it makes sense because purple is outside of the natural world (it only appears on some flowers) so it is related to the threshold. She was also wearing a black mitra on her head, and I'm told the hat was related to crossroads and doors.

I keep getting stuck inside mine

>>40875599 (OP)
I had a dream last night where I was walking along a driveway, and I looked over and saw a field of Kudzu. Then a spirit in dressed in blue/purple appeared, it was a little girl. She came over to me, and said she missed me. I asked who it was, and she said Cain. I saw her as cute, so I pat her head and rubbed her back. Then started waking up.

>>40889158
>i like your posting style btw
thanks bro :)
i was more so referencing a way of thinking about the actual dreams and i had an old post from a dream forum in mind when i was typing
can you elaborate on incarnation via dreams?

>>40889152
Sure, I do wonder sometimes, but it's not something I actually believe in.

>>40889158
>i like your posting style btw
What exactly do you like about it?

>>40889333
How?

>>40889333
is it an inception type of deal where you keep waking up in another dream?
checked btw

lots of gets in this thread

>>40875599 (OP)
Sounds like you are just getting started. There are many illusions to overcome. Focus on the physical world by examining the things in the house you are sleeping in. Practice out of body observation and stay conscious as you return to your body.
Depending on your location there may be various types of being that you can perceive. Tangible long term development of perception of these beings can teach you a lot.

>>40893407
>out of body observation
this is different than astral projection right? i assume the method is different too

>>40893460
Only a little difference.. and that is in how the cognitive imagery is held within the conceptual mind and neurological structures. You can learn to discern between various types of cognitive image by examining then within your visual recollection of your memories.
Practice examining the entire earliest period of your life that you can recall. Recall the dreams you had when you were very young. Learn to access your memory within your visual awareness within your mind.

There are beings that are not even noticeable to the people who have no attitude for cognitive abilities of perception.
Perception is not imagining.

>You can learn to discern between various types of cognitive image by examining them within your visual recollection of your memories.


>There are beings that are not even noticeable to the people who have no aptitude for cognitive abilities of perception.

Typos thanks to auto correct

>>40882592
Have you tried thujone?

>>40893666
>thujone
i see those digits and i see the bad idea

Will the powers I've taught myself in lucid dreams carry over into the greater astral afterlife?

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>>40893460
in a manner of speaking every aspect of these concepts is the same general subject.. what has more value in your opinion; following a narrow dictated path to a solid result or a wild adventure that explores the boundary of what you can perceive outside of any concept of structure? get out of your body and begin to figure stuff out.. if you are waking up in a conscious state of mind during sleep then you are seeing something.. figuring out exactly what you are seeing will take time and experience. get to where you can watch your body go to sleep while remaining conscious.. and get to where you can remain conscious when you find yourself in a dreamstate consciousness.. or otherwise said out of body during sleep

Why everytime a organic thread grows the bots freak out and start to spam retarded question threads?

But back on topic, I believe sleep deprivation can help lucid dreaming somehow. You will fall heavier after 32 hours without sleeping.

>>40896294
i havent looked at other threads, how are you able to tell a bot thread?

anyone else have this thing where they are perfectly lucid but aren't able to realize it's a dream? like you are awake and conscious but you still are stuck in the dreamworld like it's this one?

>>40896294
It can help you develop the long term awareness that you will need to stay conscious while your body is asleep.
Prior to much development of perception I had several experiences with staying awake for days and watching my consciousness floating in between waking and drifting off to sleep. There is a point at which you can visualize your thoughts and see them.. not exactly a hallucination but a thought of a visual image that you focus on to the point you forget that it's just an idea you are focusing on. The visual image is for those moments just as tangible as a visual memory.

Once you have the ability to remember almost the entire night without much missing you can perceive things that may be difficult to correctly comprehend. Over time the experience will create a cohesive awareness of the extension of your existence beyond the physical body.
At some point the various beings that are active in these realms will respond to the fact that you are aware in this phase of consciousness. The beings from the stars may attempt to conceal themselves from you as they commonly do with people who have not oriented themselves within this cognitive observation context. If you are worked through the basics already their deception is ineffective. They can establish a significant connection with you that has aspects in both contextual platforms physical and non physical. There are other beings to encounter that are in connection with our physical world and the depths of other energetic states that extend beyond it. Only through cognitive perception is this information available. It is persistent and tangible though as can be learned by direct observation so I envision the possibility that human technology will eventually be able to detect and interact with this. Once correctly understood by scientific means it will provide a significant amount of clarity to at least a small bandwidth of what can be described as multidimensional. It's actually really very basic.

>>40889477
>thanks bro :)
:3
>i was more so referencing a way of thinking about the actual dreams and i had an old post from a dream forum in mind when i was typing
ooh, which post?
>can you elaborate on incarnation via dreams?
well there's this old theory that you can "go into" a dream and never come back through reinforcing its solidity (and something more?)
furthermore, some people view the world ("reality") akin to a "very solid and consistent dream".

>>40898089
>ooh, which post?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160408122248/http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-control/46571-infinite-universes-lucid-dreaming.html
mainly the posts from billybob

>>40898824
>>40898089
wanted to think about what you said before i replied because the whole never come back part could mean
>you die
>end up in a coma
>that another soul takes over your life
>you become a husk
among other possibilities
another thing that occurred to me is that some people claim to have lived whole lives in dreams

>>40897826
>I had several experiences with staying awake for days and watching my consciousness floating in between waking and drifting off to sleep
What methods did you used to stay awake? Coffee and energy drinks, or is there something else? I dont want to try cocaine, some ppl say it is effective in order to stay awake, but the side effects can be harmful.
There are some auditory hallucinations that appear after 20 hours awake, and a tunnel effect while listening music or any other media.
I believe if I stay awake long enough I will be able to think inside dreams more frequently, instead of just watching them like a movie.

>>40898089
>furthermore, some people view the world ("reality") akin to a "very solid and consistent dream".
That's because reality is chained to a axis, whereas dreams are not. Also our brain can have 2-3 dreams happening at the same time, each on a different part of the brain. So when you wake up, the psychic censor glue parts of them together and hence why they appear chaotic in your memory. But when they are lucid, there is some kind of continuity, and you can remember them as a single dream.

>>40875599 (OP)
arguably one of, if not, THE most topical /x/ threads to physically/mentally/spiritually exist in the past, present, and future.

We must increase collective expenditures to research how to harness this tek by orders of magnitude from current budgetary efforts.
Might have to redraw some of the current laws with regards to certain 'substances' to prevent any 'unintentional handicapping' in our quest for such a pursuit in unlocking quasi-godlike powers- I'm willing to take that risk.
If that means ruining a few less lives through the legal circus, I suppose that's a sacrifice we'll have to endure.

It's something that literally everyone can practice that isn't restricted to any particular culture(though some probably lean into it a bit more than others), you don't need to take any drugs(though I suspect there are certain combinations of substances that are favorably conducive to mental-manifest-realities), anyone can pick up the 'hobby' anytime, anywhere, completely free.

Really should have a lucid dreaming thread stickied

>OP, that's a very comfy looking body-pillow, I trust that two head-pillows are attached in appropriate locations for extra comfort?

>>40876625
those are bad dreams...
ironically some of the worst dreams I've had were lucid dreams. thankfully they typically ended after not-too-long. ofc that usually led to waking up with sleep-paralysis with a different horror-sponsored scene to mentally panic through until regaining the physical ability to make even slight body movements...

um yeah.
overall would recommend though.

If people are worried about 'protecting the kids', would love to see some support in setting up some actual protection that prevents 'harmful targeted media advertisements' at minors(or at least ~12-). Tv commercials shouldn't be throwing in psychopathic horror promotions in between drake&josh and mylittleprincess episodes airing right after school. I get not wanting kids to grow up terrified of the nightly-moon, but if we can't see girls who happen to not be wearing a shirt for a clean, sanitized no-nonsense scene, in the name of -~'protecting muh-le children'~-, restricting psyopped media whose foundation is created with the sole purpose to cause terror and inflict horror-inducing panic by slipping psyopped media to young children in their "safespots", should be considered a relatively small ask.

This may be a hot take, but I'm starting to wonder if a movie depicting a (mild, vanilla, tasteful) embrace between a couple of (idk, let's say ~14-15 year olds) is far less damaging to those involved in the scene, is borderline tedious to the viewers, and -at this moment in society- is spiritually 'healthier' compared to the current horror-ops paradigm.

Not saying we have to completely eradicate the spookyfrens' shows, or even restrict them to the degree that we currently forbid 'tame/innocent/neutral' scenes in media, I just think it's a wild observation that almost seems poetic, but it's mostly an unfortunate and unnecessary circumstance that's done a lot of hidden-harm with delayed damage internally to conceivably continue on manifesting negative effects externally onto others.

>>40898824
cool
reminds me of another dreamviews post
https://web.archive.org/web/20161020215033/http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/hyu/persistent-realms-other-lucid-dreaming-techniques-i-use-39218/
>>40898860
>>you become a husk
not necessarily. think of bilocation.
>some people claim to have lived whole lives in dreams
yeah heard of it as well
>>40899090
also just whats said to be the "slower" and "more indirect" results of so-called magick

>>40899560
yea long winded way of saying "violence/gore/horror ok but eroero bad"

>>40899560
but i do like the psychological interpretation you gave to the situation

>>40899646
Bilocation is completely feasible. Tulpas can do it, so I believe our causal bodies can do it as well.

>>40899069
I grew up as a military brat and was often around guys who had been in combat without the luxury of sleeping. The fact that it could be done was never in question for me.
Several times I was hanging out with former military friends who simply stayed awake sometimes for days while doing various things. Longest I had stayed awake was 9 days. A lot of the time was spent driving. No drugs were used.
As one guy I had known had said about the time his platoon was being chased through the jungles of Vietnam " yeah sure, you can take a nap, if you wanna die "
It's probably worth mentioning that I was also subjected to the mk ultra trauma based conditioning and there were definitely chemicals in use for several of the events related to that that I have been able to remember. The guy who also was taking turns driving seemed to think he may have been given something to affect his alertness before he was deployed to Somalia.. so maybe some sort of experience with extreme cognitive conditions is helpful but probably not absolutely prerequisite requirements.
One person would drive while the other kept watching the quality of the driving and if it got bad after some yelling and cursing the trip continued after a switch of who was driving. He had left his personal business in several states neglected until he was finally discharged from ft sill and then we started taking care of his family and business problems etc.

heard its like roulette
some people experience almost daily lucid hell torture neverending terror-incarnation nightmares
because they can lucid dream

others experience le ebin superman adventures

and then theres me who just blackouts when going to sleep, never ever dreaming of anything whatsoever
inb4 you just cant rembar
inb4 any other cope anons think i havent heard yet
sgdgy

>>40889158
>i'm assuming it's some grim hyper-paranoid neo-gnostic construct, like archons gatekeeping dream pussy. some Jean DeLac typa shit
mamma mia my almonds are fully activated now
so you know about that ultra shizoid tldr link? i wonder if it is bcus of one of my posts.
did you enjoy the read?
whats your verdict on that stuff?
opinion on the void after the astral/afterlife/ plane?

how does one anon start with all this crap? i would like to explore the astral plane(s) but i dont even have any dreams (>>40901309)
i guess it is going to be important to meet at the cafe, soon, when this hellhole will be 100% monitored and theres no place to have opsec comms irl

>>40901332
>mamma mia my almonds are fully activated now
wew lad
>so you know about that ultra shizoid tldr link? i wonder if it is bcus of one of my posts.
would be fun if i found it bc of you. however, i did so years ago already.
>did you enjoy the read?
looking back, it's like, cartoonishly paranoid. i can't really take it seriously anymore. but if you're caught up in the neo-gnostic mythos (i kind of was at some point) it's highly thrilling fear-fodder.
>opinion on the void after the astral/afterlife/ plane?
i don't quite have any opinions on anything concerning astral/afterlife right now. just the vague idea that whatever we somehow set it up to be is how it's gonna be. i don't know what to think of it, really. it just seems totally (directly) unknowable to me with what i can do at the moment.
dream/sleep/bardo yoga has some interesting opinions about it. see: holecek's book
>how does one anon start with all this crap? i would like to explore the astral plane(s) but i dont even have any dreams
practical advice applies: you do dream but don't remember, look into "dream recall"
i find i dream more vivid and weirder dreams when i'm more mindful during the day. i'm crap at LDs though. All-Day Awareness is a thing; i think it would be beneficial to commit to it, even without the LD aspect (it's just keeping mindfulness) https://web.archive.org/web/20160103211236/http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-techniques/113253-all-day-awareness-dild-tutorial-kingyoshi.html
>i guess it is going to be important to meet at the cafe, soon, when this hellhole will be 100% monitored and theres no place to have opsec comms irl
hehe, but the astral cia wardens though

we should make this a general

>>40901309
You definitely do dream. You just don't remember. There are methods you are using to block the activity from your conscious mind. You can learn to see into the activity you are engaged in while you are sleeping. It's absolutely there whether you retain memory or not.
>>40901332
Start with where you are now

Doesn't matter where you are starting from just pay attention to what you can perceive. Sounds simple right? Now watch yourself throughout the rest of the day. No need to do anything different just pay attention and deliberately watch everything you do very carefully as if you intend to remember it. Keep watching.

Easy.
Simple.
Now watch yourself as you lay down to go to sleep. Don't quit watching. Stay alert and watch the process.
Does it matter if you fail? At some point you are going to see your visual awareness fading and with your conscious mind still alert and aware. No point to achieve.. nothing to do other than being aware.. even though time will still pass your only goal is to be alert and aware.

I can tell you how the process will continue from their but it's a simple process to see for yourself.

Start from right now and pay attention to everything as though you are going to deliberately remember it, as if you are going to be telling the story about right here and now at some point in the future. Just make a deliberate effort to make a deliberately formed memory of everything you are seeing.
No need to dwell on it later the memory is right there in your mind if you need it.

If you wake up and don't remember a period of time during the night look closely at the two edges of the missing period.. it has a beginning and an end. Look at your deliberately made memories of the night before. Find where it ended and spend some time trying to figure out what happened.

Do this, and only this, as if your life depends on it.. and you will break into an entire additional expanse of your life that you have been living in. It is possible to be fully conscious during these phases of consciousness and to see a tangible persistent array of energetic presences that are attached to the material plane and the subspace extended attachments to other phases of energetic form and other locations ..there is a lot to discover. There are beings that are active within these realms that will take notice of you when you are no longer stumbling around unaware in their own material range of functionality.

>>40903020
Pay attention to your earliest morning awareness.. this is the critical key. This is where the crack is to be found.. when you are in the process of waking up.

Take the time to examine your awareness before you even move a muscle.. do not even open an eyelid.. don't disturb your natural condition and examine your location and your memory of the night before. This is the one moment when the two worlds are connected. This is the one moment you have in which the memories of the night before are still available.. but if you do so much as open an eye the blinding light of the day will flood your mind through the visual cortex and your neurological structures that engage in management of visual imagery. The images of your activity during the night are in a much dimmer format that is easily washed away by the overstimulation of full muscle and visual stimulation. The other realm exists for your consciousness even if the physical body is destroyed. It is not an illusion but a tangible substrate to our existence. You can learn to perceive the realms you will be confined to after your physical body experiences death.


If you are going to develop the ability to remember what you are seeing during the night the function of memory is important. Study the ancient and established methods of mnemonic exercises and establish your own take on the process. To be extracting long hours worth of visual memory from your own awareness on a regular basis you will need to be in the habit of documenting the observations. You can pre-verify precognitive and remote viewing observations with this method.


>>40903015
For the record.. the autocorrect put the word "their" instead of "there"

>I can tell you how the process will continue from there but it's a simple process to see for yourself.

Worth mentioning in a world where the kids now don't know the difference between then and than.. or too and to. The confusion of they're their there seems pretty insignificant by comparison.

>>40870658
Another thread I posted in..

How to stay awake (and aware) after two sleepless nights? I dont know anything about NLP conditioning.

>>40903015
>>40903205
apprechiate all your wall o´texts anon, but i have narcolepsy aka dysfunctional (REM) sleep
thats why i already said, inb4 any other cope i havent heard yet.

i never truly sleep. i dont have the sleep phases where (you) dream.
i cant remember dreams, because i dont dream because i dont have sleep phases where dreams can occur

>>40904112
Have you ever had any experience with chemicals that modify brain function? Would you consider it?
I'm not being specific because I am interested in every possible thing that might have any effect on the condition.
What about cognitive imagery within your mind? Are you able to visualize clearly when focusing on your memory? Have you ever been successfully hypnotized?
When did this start? Do you remember your earliest years? At what age is your earliest memory? Did you ever dream?
Brain science research would probably be interested in scanning your brain to see what is going on. You might even get paid.

Much of the early development of the mk ultra type programs were a series of events in which one department of the research branches would suggest that they had found a limit to their operational capacity in influencing and affecting the human mind and some other departments would in effect respond by taking the described limits as a new challenge to make breakthrough discoveries in. You may not be experiencing sleep but there are still options. Fully immersive techniques for remote viewing can function in almost the same capacity as the natural sleep cycle.

Bmup

>>40904112
do you ever experience hypnagogia/hypnopompia?

>>40904462
>>40905730
why the sudden interest?
who are you?

>You may not be experiencing sleep but there are still options
what an odd and weird thing to say. also what would these options be? get drugged, sat down in an EX-men professor X type chair and helmet and fight for the blackmirror arcon astral force?
>get paid
im not interested in snakes on a stick

do expound, tho

>>40905784
>why the sudden interest?
>who are you?
xD
i'm >>40905730 who was also >>40901727
so... again, do you experience hypnagogia and/or hypnopompia? or any state ever which involves some kind of trance or hallucinations of any kind?

>>40905970
Who are any of us? I am the kind of guy who can come join you in your nightly out of body adventures and show you how much I have learned so far.. no need for anything more than the simple fact that you exist and the natural cognitive attachments that exist due to the nature of consciousness. Distance, at least on this small world, is irrelevant.
Nothing too extraordinary about this; nearly any native American heritage tribal group could do the same.. and more.
There is a scientific basis for the reality of this. Current human technology is inadequate to address the subject.. but there is this guy;


https://youtu.be/qgawWCBj2Jk

Give me some ideas of things to do next time I get lucid.

>>40906269
Go into a crowded restaurant and listen in on the conversations of the other patrons.

>>40906269
Try staying near your house and look at things that you can verify physically after you wake up.

When I started deliberately looking at stuff like this I got bored quickly and floated to the center of the front room of my house and thought about where else I might want to go.. and then I went to Mars.
Small and tan.. I was able to see something that looked like map markers on the surface from far up above.. and so I selected one and began to slide down towards it.
After the glide down I suddenly found myself walking along at the base of a steep hill that seemed to run in a straight line for a long distance.. ' walking ' along I found a square hole that ran straight into the side of the hill that was almost too small for me to walk upright in.. so I was moving into the side of the hill and I noticed that the sides of the square hallway was made of a translucent rocklike material that had metal flakes throughout inside of it that could be seen for many feet deep into the material.. 30ft maybe or maybe 30m ..pretty far.. but hard to judge from our of body.
Only a short distance inside.. maybe 40 or 50 meters.. give or take 10 or 20.. the hallway ended in a T and as I was getting near the T a small car sized box that was suspended from a rail above passed from left to right and moved down the hallway to the right fitting just inside the open hall.
I was not able to see through into the box but I had a very clear impression that there were a few 'people' inside of it as if they were workers of some kind and they were being moved without having any say in where they were going. I followed in the direction that had traveled and it went into a larger open room about the size of a basketball court if you built walls at the edge of the court then made it as high as it was wide.
The rail went up splitting into two or three other rails that went across or up into other square hole hallways.. with at least one level above other than the ground floor I was on.

It was already out of view and there was a female being of a type I had never seen before.. with a ridge of bone on her skull and an unusual white material that was made into a very efficiently cut suit. Didn't look like any cloth or synthetic materials common on earth.. just a slightly foggy translucent layer of very clean white material. I was not familiar with anything being able to see me when out of body so I was surprised that she addressed me directly.. but what she said made it clear she was mistaking me for someone else.. she had said only " you're still here? "
I tried to run with the idea of being whoever she thought I was by trying to make as neutral a comment as possible.. and I tried to throw the blame to whoever or whatever else might have been responsible for that person who was "still here" for whatever reason. I muttered something to the effect that " it's not like I chose to be "

And then the rest of the vision was as if I was one of the types of people who had been in the box transport.. moved around in a blur of motion to a location with a wider open area and some form of aperture to the outside.. there was the visual glimpse of a ship vehicle of some kind and the idea of motion on an interplanetary scale.. vaguely aware that the destination was earth.

Odd thing was that I was seeing everything clearly at my house.. and I had no idea there would be anything alive on the planet Mars. The being didn't look exactly like that drawing by macmoneagle but it was very close perhaps only different because of the clothing. I could see that the hips were joined different than ours and the skull was clearly different.. but otherwise she seemed pretty similar to us.. or as we might be in a long term high stress zero freedom extreme high efficiency environment

I was already seeing out of body during sleep and seeing accurately on things I could verify. Will be difficult to verify that particular observation..

So yeah, stick around your house until you get bored.. then decide where to go

>>40906269
what things have you already done?

>>40905970
are you >>40904462 too? i tagged >>40905730 because i thought 730 and 462 are the same guy, asking lots of these really suspicious and specific questions
if you are 40904462 then id have you
>so... again
ask who are you and who are you working for?
im not divulging any info until you repudiated yourself credibly from any 3 letter agency

I saw a very lucid dream last night, the clearest one in long time. It is interesting how clear it is, just like seeing, touching, hearing and feeling in real life, except that the simulated dream world is very unstable and unpredictable. I walked and run around, I flew for a bit, I found a small pond that looked like it's from a video game and when I submerged my head my brain simulated being underwater with the ambient underwater noise, blue'ish vision and all. It was all very interesting, when I tried to summon things I snapped my fingers while wishing for it, none of my summoned things were how I wanted them to be, they were distorted, ugly and wrong in many ways. Also the finger snapping didn't work all the time, I got frustrated when nothing happened. All in all it is a very interesting experience.

>>40908576
I already mentioned that I was subjected to the mk ultra trauma based conditioning. Saying that I am involved in their work would be the equivalent of saying that because someone's house was run over by a tank that they were 'involved with the military'. It's an ill considered perspective.. but just like that guy whos house got run over.. he might know things about how it happens that someone without the experience would not notice

The experience left me with lots of insight.. lots of questions. The programs didn't provide for me to even be aware of their existence. I was offered no explanation and received no benefits from them in any way. My existence has been in spite of them and not on behalf of them. When I was observed interacting with the beings the agency types apparently reclassified me and quit using me and I eventually fell through the cracks and was left alone for more than a decade before they took notice of me again. They were not even subtle but at the time I still had no clue what I had been involved in or put through.. long stories to be told to try to explain how it all happened.. but it is absurd to put the biased opinion that I had been somehow affiliated with the agencies in front of the knowledge and information that I have developed over my lifetime.
What I have done is beyond what they are. They have their own operatives that are assigned to research similar but the operators in the tangible fields are seldom more than vaguely aware about research groups and their informational output product.

You can do a lot with cognitive perception. It is far more than 'just' a means to observe physical material at a distance. I take an interest when I see people who are trying to get into it.. but if you are so concerned about the agencies you have no direct experience in interactions with that you can't even engage in a conversation over the internet then you might have other issues you need to work through before bothering with this

>>40908946
unfortunately, this is the wrong answer.
our conversation ends here

After two days sleeping only three hours each night, I could not repeat what happened in the OP. My main tulpa has gone into the threshold, shield and sword in hands, while the shadow guardian slept with me and the second tulpa was guarding the door.
My main tulpa could not find me there, because I wasn't able to jump. Instead I had infrahuman dreams, about memories from my past. She returned empty handed as she needed my mental space in order to investigate.

Looks like timeline dreaming is very random, isn't it?
Maybe the secret is not wanting it.

>>40909447
There is not a secret to dreaming.

>>40909460
Bip bop.

Most of my lucid dreams end up with me fighting someone as if I was a Dragon Ball Z character flying around shooting kamehamehas and using the kaioken, or if not I'm just having sex with some cute girls. I love my lucid dreams because they feel more real than this life.

>>40908386
Fly, explore, grapple around like spider man, summon anime girls for sex, fight random dream people, fight in huge battles between armies.

Bump

>>40889099
>dreamkarmic police
I've heard multiple people discuss this years ago on tiktok before I deleted it but no idea if it actually exists since I've never experienced it.

How do I start lucid dreaming? I have never done it before not even by accident. At best I can realize a dream is a dream but I just "watch" things play out like a movie.

Interested in lucid dreaming because for 8 months straight I'm only having traumatic dreams. It's always something horrible like betrayal, bullying, abandonment even homelessness. It might be caused by anxiety or an actual entity messing with me

>>40913290
Most metaphysics

Bamp