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Anonymous No.40876793 >>40876818 >>40876894 >>40876949 >>40876974 >>40877287 >>40877379 >>40879447 >>40879470 >>40885928 >>40886019 >>40887173 >>40887397 >>40890966 >>40896994
Blood magic, Black magic, Chaos magic, Void magic. Is there anyone who claim to practice some of those here?
Anonymous No.40876818 >>40886040
>>40876793 (OP)
you practice all of these just by living in society. take a look at yourself, you already know how it works
Anonymous No.40876894
>>40876793 (OP)
for us humans, panpsychism ultimately is solipsism

the solipsism experience an individual has on psychosis or drugs, will be the same that society will experience when pan psychism is basically undeniable scientifically

people will have a mass psychotic breakdown

humanity IS Jesus, the post ego death person, we are God
Anonymous No.40876949 >>40877024
>>40876793 (OP)
Yes, mostly blood and chaos.

Do you have questions or need help?
Anonymous No.40876974 >>40876985 >>40877111 >>40887397
>>40876793 (OP)
Wtf is void magic? Half this shit sounds like you're constructing a magic system for a fantasy novel, or like you got it off some fan wiki.
Anonymous No.40876985 >>40876990 >>40879447
>>40876974
>doesn't know one of four
>"half are lies"
void magic is inverse sun magic; science has "zero point energy" as a similar concept but in science it doesn't work, obviously
Anonymous No.40876990
>>40876985
>pretends to know
>farts out even more bullshit
Oh, ok. Thanks, retard.
Anonymous No.40877024 >>40885736
>>40876949
Blood and chaos seems like the most natural of the magic types. I don't really have a question but thank you for your input.
Anonymous No.40877032 >>40877055 >>40877056
I have gotten a nosebleed. Should I use the blood to consecrate my spirit to the great Lucifer? Also, Lucifer =/= Satan considering they have different spiritual imperatives and objectives.
Anonymous No.40877055 >>40877066 >>40877157
>>40877032
Entities seem to prefer blood from our genitals, eg period blood. Hence, circumcision for men in some religious traditions. But nosebleeds are fine, I guess. You could also offer animal sacrifices. In times of war in the past, the slaughtering of captured enemies also played the same role, although I suppose there's still some old school psychos doing that, eg cartels, ISIS.
Anonymous No.40877056 >>40878100 >>40887166
>>40877032
I have no idea if external blood is required for blood magic at all. Seems more like blood magic is to be one with the blood and see what opportunities that give.
Anonymous No.40877066 >>40877083 >>40877109 >>40894357
>>40877055
Update: Put some blood from my nosebleed on a inverted pentagram (usually belonging to either Iblis/Satan or Lucifer) as well as on the sigil of Lilith.
Anonymous No.40877083 >>40877092 >>40877109
>>40877066
A ritual like that does nothing. Physical actions doesn't really reach magic at all.
Anonymous No.40877092
>>40877083
If there is some dedication, then the working does some working after all.
Anonymous No.40877109 >>40877157 >>40877197
>>40877083
Nonsense. Grimoire magic is proof that physical actions elicit magical responses from the spirit world. Although, I'm not sure of the rate of success of this >>40877066 particular method. There is however historical precedent for blood offering in auto-sacrifices.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodletting_in_Mesoamerica
Anonymous No.40877111 >>40877168
>>40876974
Well magic is mostly fantasy for those who try to practice it. But it seems some actually manage to use it.
Anonymous No.40877157
>>40877055
>>40877109
yep, pre-christian europe also had such practices
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%B3t
Anonymous No.40877168
>>40877111
>Well magic is mostly fantasy for those who try to practice it
This is the magic board, remember?
Anonymous No.40877197 >>40877236 >>40877245
>>40877109
His method seems to be of the modern "demonolatry" sort. Which is an easy enough entry point for beginners into this stuff. Those looking for **vintage** grimoire shit might find the Grimorium Verum useful. Joseph Peterson's edition is quite good, although some supplementary material from his "The Secrets of Solomon" might be needed to further flesh out some missing components from the GV since the Ars Rabidmadar is its ancestor text. From there, I'd look into the Lucidarium Artis Nigromantice for.. "stronger" evocations.
Anonymous No.40877236 >>40877264
>>40877197
Nice reccs. I personally started with the Goetia of Dr Rudd. I don't know about worshipping demons, but I'm open to conjuring them and negotiating some kind of trade.
Anonymous No.40877245 >>40877264 >>40887370
>>40877197
grimorium verum is probably the best grimoire in terms of the demonolatrical sort
Anonymous No.40877264 >>40877298
>>40877236
>>40877245
Yeah, there is evidence of the spirits in the GV catalogue filtering into Quimbanda which has influences from other European sources. Their magic is potent enough to suggest some validity in demonolatry since Quimbanda is equal parts magic and religion. Jake Stratton-Kent's "True Grimoire" discusses the cultural exchange that formulated Quimbanda.
Anonymous No.40877287
>>40876793 (OP)
practice being a good person.
Anonymous No.40877298 >>40877320
>>40877264
Nicholaj de Mattos Frisvold has a pretty good series on Quimbanda. But I think it's wise to get initiated into that system before working with the Exus and Pomba Giras on your own.
Anonymous No.40877320 >>40877376
>>40877298
For sure. Which is why for modern people looking to practice spirit model magic on their own I suggest the GV. It isn't a still-alive lineage of magic that one has to initiate into.
Anonymous No.40877376 >>40877399
>>40877320
do you think we could squeeze out extra power from it if some people got together and made it an initiatory system?
i'm speaking hypothetically of course. the grimorium at its heart still uses the christian god for things like consecration
Anonymous No.40877379
>>40876793 (OP)
Occult practices are the biggest examples of larping and gaslighting or legitimate esoteric practices, no in between
Anonymous No.40877399 >>40877419 >>40877436 >>40877517
>>40877376
Hmm.. with enough people I guess there could be some power and utility in that. We're entering the territory of egregoric theory here. Like, taking some portion of a spirit's spark and making it restricted to in-group use. Really, if you think about it the power of the Abrahamic God has been split between three religions, two of them being large and global. Magic that leans on the authority of that God can be effective whether the magician is Christian or Muslim, from what I've seen at least. Which is funny to think about since the mainstream exoteric stance on magic is largely prohibitory.
Anonymous No.40877419
>>40877399
>if you think about it the power of the Abrahamic God has been split between three religions
i've never thought about it like that. that's a pretty good observation.
Anonymous No.40877436 >>40877488
>>40877399
>since the mainstream exoteric stance on magic is largely prohibitory.
It's quite interesting how both Christianity and Islam saw scholarly efforts to distinguish between licit and illicit magic.
Anonymous No.40877488 >>40877642
>>40877436
Lol yeah. In Christianity we see a comparison between natural magic vs consorting with demons. And in Islam the comparison is quite similarly between ruqyah and shirik. Djinn magic is quite interesting. I don't see a lot of sharp implements or floor circles, and the methods often involve the recitation of asma suryani/nomina barbara/nomina magica almost like Hindu mantra recitation. Of course things like the use of sigils, burning of specific incenses, preparatory purifications and observation of electional timing are in similar use. I've never tried it, but the Asma Barhatiyah is an interesting operation.
Anonymous No.40877517 >>40877584
>>40877399
Well, it's not like there aren't any Jewish magical texts. Only that if you look at the dating of such texts and their contents, it would appear that Jewish magicians were rather influenced by non-Jewish (sometimes pagan) ideas.
Anonymous No.40877584
>>40877517
Lmao like the Sefer Ha-Razim containing a prayer to Helios? Yeah. In fact, "Solomonic" magic has less relation to Solomon than it does to paganistic Alexandrian magic found in the Greek Magical Papyri. Abrahamic godnames see a lot of use in that. Syncretism between pagan and Jewish ideas can be traced at least to that late antique era. Later as people became Christians, the legend of Solomon as a powerful magician who controlled demons was adopted as a part of magical lore. Pagan tech + Abrahamic mythos.
Anonymous No.40877642
>>40877488
>Asma Barhatiyah
I've actually been reading up on that and khodam. Not being Arabic or Muslim, I'm not sure if I'm up to actually performing the conjuration. Nineveh Shadrach's book on it seems more tailored for non-Muslim use, but his techniques feel just a tad larpy.
Anonymous No.40877915 >>40877945 >>40879447
MAGAtards for sure.
Anonymous No.40877945
>>40877915
They do act like women and children basically so it makes total sense why their energy is chaotic. They thrive on being disruptive and emotionally unstable.
Anonymous No.40878100
>>40877056
Blood magick can be done with blood from your vein, a sacrifice of another life or from menstruation, however I think that should only be used for fertility magick because it is easier to obtain than to open a vein.
Anonymous No.40878194 >>40879498
I usually go with Affliction 9, destruction 21 and Demonology 21
hope that helps
Anonymous No.40879447 >>40881300
>>40876793 (OP)
>Blood magic
>Black magic
>Chaos magic
>Void magic
Hey question, what do you think those things are?

>>40876985
And what the fuck are you talking about?

>>40877915
I don't think they're clever enough to do magic.
SmoothPorcupine No.40879470 >>40883679
>>40876793 (OP)
I use signatures, though admittedly sometimes the writing needs actual blood for ink.

Mostly, my work is to create programmatic links for allocating these naturally occurring elements.
Anonymous No.40879498
>>40878194
I like to go Illusion, Conjuration, and Sneak like the filthy coward I am.

Pic unrelated, he's an actual badass.
Anonymous No.40881300 >>40891587
>>40879447
>Hey question, what do you think those things are?

Belief systems
Anonymous No.40883679 >>40883736
>>40879470
Larp.
SmoothPorcupine No.40883736 >>40883744 >>40891908
>>40883679
My teens involved one of the people who tried to initiate me into an occult science, claiming a renaissance faire can penetrate the veil and let people slip through to alternate points in time (or possibly reality)

Have I tried? Not yet. Without doing the experiment and trying the science...

Honest people don't need me to remind others what neutrality means
Anonymous No.40883744
>>40883736
>more larp
Yawn. You're boring and full of shit.
Anonymous No.40885736
>>40877024
>doesn't appreciate the pure evil aesthetic of black magic
Anonymous No.40885772
it's funny how you can find people constantly on here talking about selling their soul to demons, worshiping Satan, BEING Satan, changing into vampires, etc etc. but then you make a racist or sexist post and they suddenly clutch their pearls and say how awful and evil racism is.

had no idea demons were so politically correct. Makes me think these forums are filled with non-whites and women
Anonymous No.40885777 >>40886014 >>40886296
Magic is bullshit
Anonymous No.40885928
>>40876793 (OP)
It is a stretch to say this is the same belief system, no matter how rigorously we reconstruct;
Nyxphireth No.40886014 >>40886024 >>40886296
>>40885777
But you still have to explain why kings would keep a court mage yet ban witchcraft all over the land.
I have yet to see one single "new 4chan atheist" tell me why.

Btw, your gayass social more threatening to gather a crowd against me, causes as much fear as mlp.
Nyxphireth No.40886019 >>40886296
>>40876793 (OP)
I have done all but void.
Why?
>You have to proof me
Go be 15 elsewhere
Anonymous No.40886024 >>40886036 >>40886296
>>40886014
I literally have no idea what you think you're saying.
Go take your meds, you cheap caricature of a schizo.
Nyxphireth No.40886036 >>40886050 >>40886296
>>40886024
I might be seeing your screen, so if you don't, i do.
Anonymous No.40886040
>>40876818
fpbp
Anonymous No.40886050 >>40886058 >>40886296
>>40886036
More surreal non sequiturs.
Magic is clearly just mental illness.
Nyxphireth No.40886058 >>40886081 >>40886296
>>40886050
Yes, btw, you're new here, yes?
Because the board culture is shit like I'm pulling off.
Who are you? You don't belong.
Anonymous No.40886081 >>40886296
>>40886058
More psychosis. Take your meds, anon.
Anonymous No.40886296 >>40886316
>>40886014
>>40886019
>>40886036
>>40886058
True

>>40885777
>>40886024
>>40886050
>>40886081
Why is the obvious shill talking so generically. glowie asset, 'prosocial' organization member or lone activist-tard. call it.
Anonymous No.40886304
>now samefagging
Anonymous No.40886316
>>40886296
Bless your heart, you tryhard retard.
Anonymous No.40887166
>>40877056
This is correct. The pineal gland does not look outward at the world, but instead inward at the blood. This is what allows it to see what the waking eyes cannot. Auras are scents absorbed into the blood through the lungs, for example, and then given a visual representation in the mind.
Anonymous No.40887173
>>40876793 (OP)
Yes, Blood. It simply gets results where other methods failed me. Most magicians are too cowardly to give themselves a serious wound or two to see their desires realized. Even less are willing to get it from something or someone else.
Anonymous No.40887370 >>40887403
>>40877245
Along with the grimorium verum, what are other grimoirs worth picking?
Anonymous No.40887397
>>40876793 (OP)
Blood magic: blood is just another tool, its used in various traditions and systems.

Black magic: is named as such for the intent to do ill with it, physical harm, curses, things like domination attempts, love spells, etc. = all black magic.
If you're trying to fuck someone else over it's black magic.

Chaos magic: all magic is chaos magic until repeated, proven, and systematized.
I assume you mean sigils and the like, but who knows, your other questions seem to suggest you're looking for edginess.

Void magic:
>>40876974
There's a couple of larping retards that grabbed hold of the word "void" without understanding any part of the word or the concept.
Safely ignored.

The op is probably an attempted troll but just looks like a 13 year old that found /x/ between toilet fap sessions.
Anonymous No.40887403 >>40888762 >>40888815
>>40887370
>grimorium verum
>worth

You really should just do your own research, start with who wrote that fraudulent trash, then dismiss literally anyone who uses the "lucifer sigil" as a retard unwilling to do basic levels of vetting their source.
Anonymous No.40887408
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Anonymous No.40888757
Bump
Anonymous No.40888762
>>40887403
How do you do your stuff?
Anonymous No.40888815
>>40887403
It's all fraudulent trash. None of the grimoires actually go back to Solomon or whoever else. But yet the techniques themselves elicit a response from spirits. It's almost like spirits are flexible enough to conform to whatever magical framework you present to them. It's fine if you think that's bullshit, but that's just how things work out within the circle.
Anonymous No.40890966 >>40891016
>>40876793 (OP)
Any good definitions of magic this time?
Anonymous No.40891016
>>40890966
>[redacted]
No but I have this whip.
https://youtu.be/Am1JCBXV5U8?t=134
Anonymous No.40891239
wow /x/ as a board is still completely off topic and stupid as fuck. so sad
Anonymous No.40891587 >>40891598
>>40881300
Anonymous No.40891598 >>40891627
>>40891587
So you don't believe magic works?
Anonymous No.40891627 >>40894237
>>40891598
I'm saying the term "belief" is confusing when describing magical systems.
Anonymous No.40891908 >>40893252 >>40897870
>>40883736
Jumping into a different dimension in multiverse terms is super easy.
All your Renaissance fayre friends would need to have is some sort of chamber that shields you from every piece of external reactions including neutrinos and gravitational waves and all forms of radiation and then cool you down to absolute zero at the exact Planck length time where a world split occurs and there's a 50/50 chance that you end up in a different "dimension".
Good luck.
Anonymous No.40893252
>>40891908
I don't need to quantum physics naturally occurring reality pivots
Anonymous No.40894237 >>40896312
>>40891627
Well... if they believe they're communing with unseen spirits/forces, have quite elaborate rituals in communicating with those spirits/forces, and have complex systems with different practices (eg divination, purification, consecration, prayer, sacraments, holy symbols etc)... then how are they not belief systems?
Anonymous No.40894357
>>40877066
Sorceress Cagliastro has the best books and classes on Blood Sorcery.

Her old radio interviews are still up on youtube and they are invaluable.


It's better to use nosebleed blood for mixing with paint or ink, but it has less value for magical works, because you didn't deliberately make yourself bleed.

Actually deciding to bleed and doing it, gives your work much more "power."

Consider what the 4 cardinal directions symbolize too when doing blood sorcery.

The concept is that we and our blood are magnetic to a degree because it has iron. We have enough iron in our bodies to create a 3 inch nail...


To get started I would write petitions, anoint them with blood, and/or smear a drop on a sigil, then burn it.

It's really easy to draw blood. I use those exacto knife razors for art projects often sold at dollar stores, art supply, or office supply stores, and I just lightly rub on my skin like my upper arms, legs, abdomen, etc.

Obviously don't cut a vein. You just do it lightly.

Do not poke or cut your fingers which is always seen in witchy movies!
Anonymous No.40896312 >>40896330
>>40894237
A belief system can emerge out of magic, there is not any law requiring it.
Anonymous No.40896330
>>40896312
>there is not any law requiring it
Nobody brought this up or made it a condition. The original anon simply called them belief systems, which they are. If you're using materia magica and reciting incantations believing that it will result in your cancer going into remission for example, that's a belief system.
Anonymous No.40896994 >>40896999
>>40876793 (OP)
WTF? Where are all the tripfags?
Anonymous No.40896999
>>40896994
Too many magic related threads
Anonymous No.40897012
>circut boards covered in arcane sigils
>background process are literally called daemons
>can somehow remember things even after having no power
yep that's right you are using a practical application of solomonic magic right now.

much like how sufficently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic the opposite is also true and sufficiently understood magic is indistinguishable from science
Anonymous No.40897870
>>40891908
>All your Renaissance fayre friends would need to have is some sort of chamber that shields you from every piece of external reactions including neutrinos and gravitational waves and all forms of radiation
Thankfully tinfoil is available readily nowadays.

>and then cool you down to absolute zero at the exact Planck length time
Many people prefer chilled alcohol for this but I find a nice glass of ice water does the trick well.