Thread 40896639

Pissing on passerby, living in squalor, telling Kings to get out of your sunshine, truly without a care. But of course this comes at a cost, lack of safety within the city walls, scrounging around for the next meal, retaining a reputation more fitting to one who desires enemies over friends. I get that's all the point for him, and he kept to his values well. I just wonder, is the man who lives in squalor more free than the man who participates in society?
Diogenes was free from all that might control him, but in doing so he became controlled by the refusal of all things. A societal man is bound by the expectations of the collective that he surrounds himself with, and becomes controlled by what more should be asked of him.

>>40896639 (OP)
Very intelligent synthesis anon
It reminds me of Steiner’s work on Ahriman vs lucifer
Should we strive more to fit into the material or do what the spirit wants. Maybe the best path is balancing the two

>>40896639 (OP)
Diogenes still benefitted from society he just did so in the most base manner and without giving anything back, like a dog. He still relied on the presence of people for food and safety. In the wild he would be forced to work or die. That’s the true power of his act. He’s the original NEET.

>>40896980
>without giving anything back
This is the opposite of the truth. He gave perspective, something you seem to lack.

>>40897326
Sorry for pointing out the flaw in your analysis bud

>>40896639 (OP)
the thing is balance
diogenes was salt a slave to salvation
alexander was sulfer a slave to liberation

im doing the diogenes thing and while it keeps me close to god as without god id be undone it also has made me quite bitter
but the thing is work did the same thing and while i was more independent from god and happy in some ways
i was still miserable and worse then miserable i was dependent on man
which i find much more degrading then god given the illusion of control via being free with none
kinda a cope to a traumatic life

the goal is to be both independent from god and man while still maintaining a good relation with both
not an easy task

so ultimately its just about finding what works for whats good for you
as evil just use to mean whats bad for you

>>40897326
Your response holds the quality point for the current state of this thread at moment of current reply
Sweeten the deal: safety is nowhere

>>40896639 (OP)
I reckon The Nobody lives like diongenes.

>>40898306
iachu bachus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0F_XiR48Q

>>40898317
>iacchus bachus*

>>40896911
Checked.praise KEK

>>40896639 (OP)
He was a man who lived in society but hated society.
That man exists today, they live in the woods and don’t need to preach.
That man also exists today and he preaches on the street corner.

Funny isnt it. Some people are desperate for fame and significance by chasing shallow things and here is Diogenes well known for bumming around in the market, sleeping in bathtubs and masturbating in public.

>>40896639 (OP)
Diogenes is just a loser faggot who came from a rich family that lost it all. His way of living and beliefs was just a cope for the life he lost just like how many incels on 4chan pretend to be superior when they're the least accomplished individuals on planet earth.

>>40898937
Let go of your pride and ego.

>>40898937
Materialistic hylic

>>40896639 (OP)
D-dog was famous for walking around during the day with a lit lantern, he was 'looking for an honest man'

it appears as though anon doesn't have the slightest idea about the point he was trying to make

>>40896639 (OP)
slavery is freedom
freedom is not slavery

>>40896639 (OP)
He didn't have to live around niggers. He wouldn't have survived to do any of those things.

No. Attachment to unattachment is freedom.

>>40900116
nice staff and ankh you got there
i like the tetragrammaton cap
but diogenes wanted to be diogenes alexander dreamed of freedom from kingdom
i still think there should be balance between gilgamesh and enkidu

>>40896639 (OP)
Lemme Alone Ahab.

>>40896639 (OP)
Diogenes was the original /fastman/

>>40896639 (OP)
Imagine him but also owning a house he can go to if he wants. Is that less free?
>but a house can be taken away, he has nothing to lose
Does he though, you could kick him in the balls while he's sleeping every night or just spear him.

Op here, thanks for keeping the thread alive everyone. After reading what everyone's posted so far, a phrase popped into my head, an original thought I'd say, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it

"To become beholden to one it is to become beholden to all, and to become beholden to none is to become beholden to one."

>>40896639 (OP)
Oh, yeah. Diogenes.

Go fuck yourself if you don't have anything to call it other than a thought. Not doing free favors for human life

Advance cynicism, accept vulpicism.

>>40905297
When the dog calls you a little bitch...

>>40905500
>Phone poster

>>40897326
Perspective is like an asshole, everyone has one

>>40906004
And even kings showed up to take a gander at his.

>>40906009
And diogenes didn't give a fuck, yet you do. Curious.

>>40905500
He's trying to find an honest frog

>>40906436
Nice

>>40896639 (OP)
>>40896911
>squalor
>scrounging around
>rest
shit synthesis, because in ancient greece, there are olive trees and generally fruit trees on every corner, and the ducks at the park are free. also the general populace mindset was different too.
this is why your synthesis is shit, because you dont have his mindset, unlike i do.
and this is why ai wont ever get it
/herbalistics

>>40909206
Suppose you have a point, squalor is a point of view.

Then again considering Diogenes was known for gooning in public and pissing on the townspeople, squalor might not be too far off.

>>40909617
All those jokes about doing these things while making eye contact, and this man was doing it 24/7

>>40909617
>>>40909206 (You)
>Suppose you have a point, squalor is a point of view.
are you new or deliberately trying to turn my own critique against me? stupid kike
diogenes was not living in squalor, just as im not.
i mean how else would i post /here/?

>>40896639 (OP)
He masturbated in public, probably smelled really bad, and probably shit anywhere. Damn, maybe the Indians get inspired be this fella.

>>40896639 (OP)
>Pissing on passerby, living in squalor, telling Kings to get out of your sunshine, truly without a care. But of course this comes at a cost, lack of safety within the city walls, scrounging around for the next meal, retaining a reputation more fitting to one who desires enemies over friends. I get that's all the point for him, and he kept to his values well. I just wonder, is the man who lives in squalor more free than the man who participates in society?

It was the only way too freedom because his freedom was part of a idea.

>>40896639 (OP)
So the choice is between being homeless and being gainfully employed or something like that? Do I have to be in the city for the latter? Right now I'm saving up money to buy some land and build a cabin home or some other economical arrangement.