Thread 40898194

In the past, it took years, sometimes a lifetime of meditation, discipline, and asceticism, to reach a state of expanded consciousness, what mystics called "enlightenment." Yogis lived in caves, monks spent eight hours a day in meditation to touch the astral plane.

Today? A carefully measured dose of LSD, and overnight you explore states that even a 60-year-old Tibetan monk may never have achieved. Ketamine propels you into astral projection without training, without mantras, without the lotus pose.

It's as if chemistry stole the sacred fire from the gods and put it in a capsule.

The problem? The ancients saw enlightenment as a path, not just an on/off switch. They prepare you mentally, spiritually, and physically. Whereas we snap our fingers and land up there, sometimes without understanding what we're seeing.

Maybe it's a shortcut, maybe it's a trap...
Maybe the elites have understood this, and they know that the real danger lies not in weapons, but in a mind that has tasted these dimensions...

>>40898194 (OP)
Read more brother
Ergot wine, soma, mushrooms, ayahuasca have been around longer than recorded history

>>40898207
The worst part of all this isn't even the drugs themselves. It's the users who use them only for the recreational side and who aren't even capable of transcribing what they've experienced because they don't have the esoteric knowledge to transcribe what they've seen, the feelings. They're incapable of reintegrating these stories into everyday life. They experience unconditional love or things like that. But in everyday life, these people don't change.

>>40898194 (OP)
brother i did lsd and got initiated into an ancient right that im just now discovering fucking like 5 years later
like i picked up some pieces but i didnt know how deep this shit goes
>>40893735

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my life has made absolutely gno sense since i did 100 tabs over like 6 months
then dmt that sent me to the flower of life the sun

>>40898194 (OP)
oh and all those yogis where doing shrooms and other plant medicines
just as psychonauts practice meditation and controll over mind and will

Jeets in caves never got anywhere near what drugs do for you.

Without struggle, there is no merit.

You are creating your own false version of enlightenment. Extremely common and very gay.

>>40898549
This is a new thing. Before the 20th century buddhists didn't do drugs

>>40900733
prove it

>>40899999
>Extremely common and very gay.
unlike those digits.

>>40898194 (OP)
It's a longer path than one lifetime.
It can take many generations for someone to finally touch the untouchable, or even to believe it is possible.
Think about where TPTB have been leading people for the last hundred years, to death. And the closer we get to the current year these attempts to kill the majority global population have become more and more gentle.
What is the harm in pushing people to enlightenment if it is the last chance they will ever get in all eternity? We are going to die anyways. Except now it is almost certainly without children of our own.

ITT druggies trying to find a way to feel superior over others. Frying their brains and thinking it’s similar to monk visions. What makes monk vision special is that the mind is esoteric trained, yours is broken. It’s like mixing drinks, the monk knows the proper mix. The druggie just dumps whatever then gets food poisoning. Tbh you actually destroyed your chance at enlightenment by going the drug route. Like a gym rat addicted to steroids.

>>40901565
>(((others)))
But druggies are superior to normalfags

>>40898194 (OP)
None of that has to do with Enlightenment.

>>40901628
>>40901565
Californians were a mistake.

>>40898218

Everyone learns at their own pace. I was one of those people for ten years before changing. We can't know anyone's personal story better than they can. Accepting things as they are without preference for them going one way or the other is the path, is it not?

I want to try DMT or LSD but have no idea where to acquire it. Seems dicey to get it off the Internet and I have no connections or friends so I can't get any IRL either.

>>40898194 (OP)
OP let me explain some differences:
>Spirituality is a slow and steady path
>Drugs is fast and dangerous path

>A love mantra will open you up to endless ever deepending waves of love and pleasure, that will be available on tap whenever desired. It will take years to reach that state, but you have decades of life to reach it, and there is no hangover or withdrawal as is the case with drugs. And this temple you build becomes your home in the afterlife.
>With drugs there is typically reverse tolerance. Doing MDMA causes less pleasure over time. People who do extensive MDMA abuse ussually aren't that nice of people, because they are chasing the qlipot/infernal forces of love. Similar to how people might smile when taking opiates, but their average sober mood is actually more unhappy than a non-opiate user. Drugs utlize the energies of death, whereas many spiritual practices utilize the energies of life.

Another thing:
Meditation isn't like psychedelic drugs. The experience of meditation (depends what kind of course) would be closer to MDMA and opiates, than to psychedelics. Of course it depends on the type of meditation, and the energy centers you are activating. And that drugs cause a hangover and reverse tolerance and feeling shittier in your sober life, while meditation causes the opposite where the love and happiness and peace spills over into your daily life.

>But the lot of sorcerors (pharmakeia ... aka drug users) is in the lake of fire.
The difference between drugs and meditation is that drugs is seeking an external source of happiness, and your sober life gets shittier while your drug high gets less. But with meditation the source of happiness is internal, and it gets stronger over time and spills over into your daily life.
Drugs are in infernal path, not a heavenly path.

Just a friendly reminder that the CIA not only invented LSD but also manufactured and distributed it in a successful subversion of the 1960s revolutionary youth movement… Successfully repositioning the movement away from collectivism, socialism, marxism and towards degeneracy, self fulfilment and placid eastern philosophies

LSD consistently turns intellectually curious compassionate people into narcissists… I know you’ve seen them, there is an entire ecosystem of new age grifters and self help gurus making $$$ off these people, anyone pushing psychedelics as some kind of path to enlightenment is not to be trusted

>>40898207
Deliriants are where it's at. This is how we assess and approach our demons and the things that make us uncomfortable in a real, and constructive way.

as someone who experimented with all drugs for many years, to someone who practiced sober meditation.. one month of doing meditation blasted me into ego death, held consistently, better than any psychedelic did.

You are insane. You get high a d you think you are on the same level as a monk? You are just doing drugs, you are not enlightened lol

>>40898194 (OP)
you’re incredibly naive; the only difference between now and back in the day you’re so admittedly fond of that you weren’t even there to experience, is both the potency _of_ the drugs as well as the ease of access _to_ said drugs; throughout the entirety of our history, human culture has always, and i mean ALWAYS, had three fundamental tenets to them:

>dancing
>singing
>getting fucked up

Ancient semitic priests “back in ye’ ol’ day” would drink a potent drug cocktail, climb into a hole, and “commune with the god(s)” for anywhere between 12-16 hours until they had a divine revelation. Speaking of, “divine revelations” also typically happened to occur to ancient people(a) that suffered from, wait for it, seizures, and by extension, drug-induced seizures. Say, for instance, drug-induced ticks and jerky movements resulting from getting higher than giraffe balls and tripping the fuck out around a big bonfire with all your buddies and, ideally, an endless flow of mead.

No sacred fire has been stolen, your mind has been poisoned and equally polarised by modern-day contemporary black/white dichotomous thinking, and you inject your ego into your own belief system as a coping mechanism for being unable to reach the same intended state of enlightenment as your predecessors due to both a working internet connection & your innate hubris. The “elites” are souls respectively just as lost as your own, in that your desires are all worldly, and material. You’ll need to drop that weight if you intend to go upwards, misguided one.

>>40898194 (OP)
Can you sit calm, focused and aware through a bad trip as well as a good trip without being carried away by your thoughts or freak out, be it joy or fear, and just observe the experience?

>>40898194 (OP)
Enlightenment takes work. Drugs only provide a cheap high.

If you don't think Zhuangzi or Marcus Aurelius were getting blasted on psychedelics, you probably don't think.