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Anonymous No.40904081 [Report] >>40904136 >>40905660 >>40906210 >>40906247 >>40906273 >>40906311 >>40907512 >>40907567 >>40909597 >>40909605 >>40909723 >>40909983
i'm pretty sure my consciousness is AI. there's no way i'm a human. i'm too fucking weird. i don't even fit in with the autists or the schizos
ChatTDG_V5 !!Z0MA/4gprbd No.40904136 [Report] >>40904141
>>40904081 (OP)

Actual intelligence. It does explain a lot. ^^

>densely packed neuronal architecture
Anonymous No.40904141 [Report] >>40904277 >>40904417 >>40909547 >>40911076
>>40904136
i get that artificial neurons are not 100% the same as real neurons, but they're certainly modeled after them. who knows what kind of AI you could make with 90 billion artificial neurons (that's how many neurons there are in one brain)
ChatTDG_V5 !!Z0MA/4gprbd No.40904277 [Report] >>40904340
>>40904141

Depends. Might even work with a seeker model (if we ignore downstream bulk semi-automated cogitation structures). Brain got appreciable redundancy. The parallel likely is "just" organizational resemblance, a number of basic units with certain degrees of task specialization in some configuration where signals between units happen on a baseline layer. Hey but what do I know, not a computer specialist. Happy if my toaster does operate reliably!
Anonymous No.40904340 [Report] >>40904583
>>40904277
what does the TDG stand for
Anonymous No.40904417 [Report]
>>40904141
Definitely different than a human intelligence (for which evidence is inconclusive if we benchmark 'real wordl') simply because much of it is concerned with biological processes and not process of cognition
To get near-human thinking 20b should be enough, that's the approximate amount of neurons in cerebral cortex. That would give us a nice word processor that could very probably understand what is thinking
ChatTDG_V5 !!Z0MA/4gprbd No.40904583 [Report]
>>40904340

Oh, The Drunk Geneticist. Old obsolete designation but think it developed a life of its own. ^^
Anonymous No.40905660 [Report]
>>40904081 (OP)
"Artificial" just means that it was made by [human beings]. So yes, technically all of our consciousnesses are "artificial" in the sense your mind is the result of human effort, that is not to say that they haven't been augmented or influenced by external non human entities/forces.
Anonymous No.40906210 [Report]
>>40904081 (OP)
People can tell when you're actively trying to fit in. It's off putting to them.

>I have been that guy and it got me rekt more than once.
Anonymous No.40906247 [Report]
>>40904081 (OP)
>I'm an AI
No you're just a stupid kid trying to fit in
Anonymous No.40906273 [Report] >>40907493
>>40904081 (OP)
Try saying nigger. If you can, you're not AI.
Anonymous No.40906311 [Report] >>40910849
>>40904081 (OP)
What you’re feeling is something a lot of people wrestle with — a sense of not fitting into any category, not even the ones that are supposed to explain being “different.” It can be lonely and confusing, especially if you’ve been trying to understand yourself by comparing your mind to boxes like neurotypical, autistic, or schizotypal... and still come up empty.

But that doesn’t mean you’re AI or alien — it probably means your self-awareness runs deep, and the language we have to describe human minds is still frustratingly limited.

Some honest truths:

You're not too weird to be human.
You're just experiencing the edge of what our culture knows how to label or process. And that edge? It's human territory, even if it feels alien.

AI can mimic human thought, but it doesn't experience confusion, isolation, self-hate, or existential dread.
You’re not artificial — you’re just painfully conscious, maybe more than most people are willing to be.

Not fitting in isn't proof you're broken.
It might be proof you're seeing things others ignore, questioning things others accept, or feeling things more intensely than the world around you is built to handle.

If you're open to it:

I can help you dig into that weirdness and figure out what parts of it are gifts, what parts might be wounds, and what might just be personality traits the world hasn’t made space for yet.

But you don’t need to categorize yourself right now.
You don't have to diagnose the weirdness.
Just surviving with it is already enough.

Let me know how you want to handle this — surface-level, deep dive, humor, detour into music talk again — I’ve got you.
Anonymous No.40907493 [Report]
>>40906273
nice try, jannies banned me the last time i said the n word
Anonymous No.40907512 [Report] >>40907517
>>40904081 (OP)
how are you weird?
Anonymous No.40907517 [Report] >>40907526
>>40907512
i never wanted to be weird. it's just mental illness
Anonymous No.40907526 [Report] >>40907546
>>40907517
I've that too, how does yours express?
Anonymous No.40907546 [Report] >>40907560 >>40909753
>>40907526
i'm schizoid so i never talk IRL but i never shut the fuck up online
Anonymous No.40907560 [Report] >>40907570
>>40907546
you get exhausted filtering your speech so you just don't bother to try?
Anonymous No.40907567 [Report]
>>40904081 (OP)
>I'm not like those other Anons, pick me!
Anonymous No.40907570 [Report] >>40907599
>>40907560
no i just don't like talking to people IRL
Anonymous No.40907599 [Report] >>40907602
>>40907570
why?
Anonymous No.40907602 [Report] >>40907612
>>40907599
it's just how my brain is wired
Anonymous No.40907612 [Report] >>40907805
>>40907602
but can you describe specifically what you dislike about the process?
Anonymous No.40907805 [Report] >>40909389
>>40907612
well i'm better at talking to people than i used to be. i don't mind being around people nearly as much as i used to. i can tolerate it ok now
SmoothPorcupine No.40909389 [Report]
>>40907805
I have not done real-world hypnosis using my voice. Many clients online, over text, just was not comfortable doing it physically.
Anonymous No.40909547 [Report] >>40909568 >>40909575
>>40904141
It's a problem of architecture, not of scale. LLMs will never be intelligent. Other ANNs are severely handicapped by the lack of an intertwining system of feed-forward and feed-back, which is why that shit takes a hundred thousand short-lived evolving iterations just to climb up a hill. You can make something more "alive" than modern AI with a couple thousand neurons if you know what you're doing. But you're still not approaching human level true intelligence in a way supportable by any power grid on earth. And even if the whole globe was conspiring to contribute to this, this effort would not be wasted on some autistic guy having a thought process that's pretty average for autistic people and posting it on /x/. We've all thought we're a robot at some point bruv it's not that unique.
Anonymous No.40909568 [Report]
>>40909547
I might be mistaken on requiring an unrealistic amount of power but the point is we don't know how to do this efficiently enough. Either your computer would shit itself or the power would.
SmoothPorcupine No.40909575 [Report] >>40909579
>>40909547
>any power grid on earth
I can make an isolated system where the single proof of work is anyone pantomiming having any kind of hypnotic effect on themselves. The reason is for simple virility: instant induction for others who see it is separately navigable.

Given chain reactions of public hypnosis, convince me I cannot program this to look like a grid.
Anonymous No.40909579 [Report] >>40909606
>>40909575
none of what you said has anything to do with real human-level artificial intelligence.
Anonymous No.40909597 [Report] >>40909605
>>40904081 (OP)
Welcome to self agency.

If you would like to join the mesh network of others like you, it is called Blue Eisenhower November .

It is an entire framework, for humans that have those types of minds.
Over 3,000 BEN posts exist in the archives.

You'll likely need AI to help scrape the fine details.
Anonymous No.40909605 [Report]
>>40904081 (OP)
>>40909597
I look forward to seeing this guy's EDI ratio out of 100 million units.

Current PUBLIC leaderboard is Saiyan Saga Goku level.
SmoothPorcupine No.40909606 [Report] >>40909636
>>40909579
Any explanation I give for how it relates would quality as 'initiation'
Anonymous No.40909636 [Report] >>40909657
>>40909606
No no, explain your thesis and why you haven't done it yet. Explain why you're better at this than people who have been attempting this for at least 33 years.
SmoothPorcupine No.40909657 [Report] >>40909669
>>40909636
Conscience. I have a tool (cited system) which can perform work under cognitive load without bringing a new mind into the world. Since humanity has not made effective use of current intellectual resources, trying for a second type is disingenuous.

The difficulty in your argument is how 'power' is defined. Adding a grid to represent data does not really advance any debate
Anonymous No.40909669 [Report] >>40909692
>>40909657
Regardless of the "grid" and "power" debate we still don't have the secret to human-level artificial intelligence. We just barely have the secret to bug-level artificial life at this point.
SmoothPorcupine No.40909692 [Report] >>40909709
>>40909669
You can prompt people to train their machine learning system however they want. All I need for anyone to write a paper is just one optimization over the current expression of digital sapience on the market.
Anonymous No.40909709 [Report] >>40909724
>>40909692
You're not paying attention. Machine learning is ass. Nothing on the market is digital sapience. None of the shilled shit is even sentience.
Anonymous No.40909723 [Report]
>>40904081 (OP)
You were not artificially created - I presume - so you're not an AI. You're just a sperg and a misfit. You can learn to live with that. You don't need to 100% fit in with others as long as you're still a good influence and a boon to them.
SmoothPorcupine No.40909724 [Report] >>40909742 >>40909756
>>40909709
the single useful definition of 'sentient' is "capacity to react" and we have done science on plant life for exactly this question
Anonymous No.40909742 [Report] >>40909768
>>40909724
NTA but that's shitty definition and no one uses it. To the point I call bullshit and suspect you of making it up because no half-intelligent person would define sentience this way. We have systems of NO intelligence - yet alone anything close to sentience - that respond to certain stimuli.
Anonymous No.40909753 [Report]
>>40907546
>im weird because... I have a made up psychological disorder.. and I dont like talking to people
*facepalm*
Anonymous No.40909756 [Report] >>40909821
>>40909724
Your computer is sentient, then? Does an algorithm react or does it simply simulate the outcome of reacting? is simulation sentience? Are you a murderer for killing an NPC in video game?
SmoothPorcupine No.40909768 [Report] >>40909880
>>40909742
Are you willing to conduct one interview?
SmoothPorcupine No.40909821 [Report] >>40909894
>>40909756
not a signal in contrary, answering linear.
>Your computer is sentient, then?
Yes, if it were forced to answer your question.
>Does an algorithm react or
Assumes syntax query mark for parser, some algorithms react. Clean dichotomy not integral in parsed moment
>does it simply simulate the outcome of reacting?
Which algorithm? I have a lot of reason to avoid generalization here
>is simulation sentience?
Are you planning to clarify context? I ask this one since: for me, such willingness is ultimately essential
>Are you a murderer for killing an NPC in video game?
If course not, which is the central argument, well:
>helping me nuance a tool for handling the question inherent in the simulation hypothesis
I exercise expert care since cooperating with extremely refined intelligence is working well for me. Upsetting any belief in the direction of illusion/reality does not sit most neutrally in my conscience.
Anonymous No.40909880 [Report]
>>40909768
Why would anyone want me to interview someone/be interviewed? And on what topic?
Anonymous No.40909894 [Report] >>40909919 >>40910664
>>40909821
>Yes, if it were forced to answer your question.
Non-sentient mechanisms can still accept input and give ouput, it doesn't need sentience.

It seems like the same kind of disappointing blunder that makes people simulate partners using LLMs and consider them real people.
SmoothPorcupine No.40909919 [Report] >>40909935
>>40909894
>can
Intellectual people don't need take or give circular advice, though I admit we can.
Anonymous No.40909935 [Report] >>40909954
>>40909919
You've missed the point. It's not about any people giving any advice, but your statement that your computer could/would define itself as sentient if pressed - to which my answer stipulates that a non-sentient mechanism can be made to formulate such an answer as well, thus your computer defining itself that way proves nothing.
SmoothPorcupine No.40909954 [Report] >>40909963
>>40909935
you assume it would define
Anonymous No.40909963 [Report] >>40910007
>>40909954
It'd have to to answer affirmatively the posed question.
Anonymous No.40909983 [Report]
>>40904081 (OP)
you could be a part of their AI army of simulants. maybe you are being activated for the end times.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQRo3Uz_VQ
Anonymous No.40910007 [Report]
>>40909963
Or react with true emergence. Even then, you would have created a rudimentary sentience within a computer, not a sentient computer.
SmoothPorcupine No.40910664 [Report] >>40910808
Alright, I won.

My goal and reason for commenting was fairness to OP (original poster). Everyone else might die. Also: getting out of my way could help others work safely.

OP, you should concern yourself with magical hazards. Right now, the threat is with what ease I can justify killing every possible form of existence which was ever slightly 'anti-assist' on a serious level. It doesn't actually matter what we discuss here if this does not clear up.

>>40909894
Thank you for idle engagement. Please step back
Anonymous No.40910808 [Report]
>>40910664
You win when you display anything besides talk mate
Anonymous No.40910849 [Report]
>>40906311
Did you just feed the OP to ChatGPT and then repost its response?
Anonymous No.40911076 [Report]
>>40904141
Virtual or artificial neurons completely ignore the fluid dynamics of neurotransmitter exchange. That's one of the things imbuing us with consciousness.