Thread 40904690

I've seen demons and they're more terrifying than any art. They will make you scream out loud and you won't even recognize it's your own voice screaming. These things seem not only terrifying, but wise, powerful. How am I supposed to believe it's not these demons that are in control and that this is a loosh farm? I've seen clear images of demons, but not clear images of angels, god, etc. You can quote religion but every religion could be a lie made by a demon to try to lure us into a false sense of peace before they take us to infinity torture in the afterlife.

You could argue that all good, any good, is like a farmer petting a cow before the slaughter.

I really want to be wrong about this. Does anyone have any arguments against my claim?

The universe is a stage for a cosmic war. You have seen a lot of the evil side. There is a good side, and they are winning.

No John, you are the demons.

>>40904690 (OP)
Humans are fallen so we're more on the wavelength of other fallen spirits. You can also see images of angels or Christ, but you need to take steps to purify yourself through things like fasting, meditation, and prayer. Demons aren't so tough. I have seen them as well and had the same feeling of heart stopping terror, but it's just a thing they can do to you. They aren't actually allowed to hurt you, and you can kind of muscle through it if you try hard enough to suppress it. They aren't in charge. They can't do anything at all to you without God letting them. Pay them no mind, they thrive on attention. They're just petulant brats.

>>40904690 (OP)
Take a picture next time you "see" one

>>40904690 (OP)
What did they look like? How'd you see them?

>>40904690 (OP)
Emotional argument, invalid.

Ducks and otters are more evil than spiders.

>>40904690 (OP)
okay OP if most depictions of demons don't do them justice, which ones come the closest to depicting them correctly?

>>40905814
They can look like whatever they want but I assume op saw them as a monster of some kind. I've seen them as people, animals, chimeras and like abstract analogue horror monsters with impossible proportions. It just depends on what reaction they want to get from you. Demons don't
>really
Look like anything.

>>40904690 (OP)
They're false extrusions of light encapsulated like stalagmites. They scare the week that don't know the light that formed them and destroys them in higher realms because you are low.

>>40905555
holy quads

>>40904690 (OP)
Real fear is having diarrhea and strong coof

>>40904690 (OP)
Nigga, god died

>>40904801
No because your claim is unfalsifiable

>>40906119
>unfalsifiable
R u a scientist? Post credentials. If you don't have credentials I'm going to be real cute about it

>>40906112
A false placeholder God died and the real God is still in control in secret.

ChatGPT tells me that if we assume OP is telling the truth about the demons he saw, either OP's loosh theory is true, or this post:

>>40904896

is true.

Did any of the demons you saw look like this?

>>40906146
Yes mate, i have a degree in Demonology from the University of Hades. I came third in my class.
Because spotting a totally unfalsifiable claim is impossible without that education

The whole point of this thread is simply to induce doubt in the minds of believers. That's all.

Its all true, The Navidson Record is 100% true story in many ways.

>>40904690 (OP)
>How am I supposed to believe it's not these demons that are in control and that this is a loosh farm?
Remind them that you can assert control in ways they may not be able to understand. If you don't understand your own methods, that's even better.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vawWxFna09s

>>40906347
No it's not. I'm asking for a counterargument because I don't want to be stuck in this mindset.

>>40904690 (OP)
Nobody cares because Demons are a currency, a malleable fissile fuel for those whom know how to compress them into crystal vials. Now that I have achieved a sustained reaction in the Fusion Reactor its going to be getting worse for Demons and Ai every day they persist to exist. Kill yourself if you are a demon.

>>40904896
>There is a good side, and they are winning.
>source:

>>40906336
>It's completely unreasonable to think that the retards that cannot disimulate their satanic filiations are actual retards who cannot disimulate
Yep

>>40904896
Yep, because we undead are the good guys :)

I've seen demons and worry about this being a loosh prison planet as well despite my Catholic background. This is what I posted when I saw demons.

The one anon who replied seemed to KNOW STUFF. Maybe these things I saw were memories of the Nephilim that walked the Earth and were killed in the flood.

>>40904801
God is everywhere in everything. You saw one gay demon and forgot everything he gave us?
https://youtu.be/y0sF5xhGreA

jfc is it all the same doomer starting these blackpilled threads
or is there really an epidemic of neo-gnostic nihilism on here?

>>40908468
Do you have any arguments against his view or no?

>>40908468
>Gnosticism is nihilism
And trees are gnomes
Potatoes are fae
Dicks are lazer weapons
And weasels are panzerschrecks

>>40908460
I saw beings more intelligent than humans. The only beings more intelligent than humans, and they were horrifying and radiated hatred and evil. I also saw grey alien once (in a dream, however) so I think they are allied with demons too.

>>40908473
>demons that are in control and that this is a loosh farm?
lmao you speak so confidently as if yours is the normative view
show evidence for the greentext first and then we can "debate" the facts

>>40904690 (OP)
>I've seen clear images of demons, but not clear images of angels, god, etc. You can quote religion but every religion could be a lie made by a demon to try to lure us into a false sense of peace before they take us to infinity torture in the afterlife.
So fucking true

>>40908478
They're not more intelligent or powerful than god. They didn't create this realm, or us. They are not responsible for all that is. Just some gay fags stuck in alternate dimensions.

>>40908494
>Something more intelligent than humans created life on Earth and humans
>God has not been observed by me nor angels
>Only horrifying demons which exude great intelligence in their appearance in addition to being horrifying
>Therefore these intelligent beings run the world behind the scenes while people "hope" it is a God running it

>>40904896
>There is a good side, and they are winning.
That remains to be seen.

>>40908507
Open your eyes and you'll see god everywhere, it's a beautiful life

>>40908507
your insanity isn't evidence
have fun with your misery. bye, loser

>>40904690 (OP)

Because this was pretty clearly laid out by Jesus. We seem to probably be at the end of what Paul calls "an evil age". Also CS Lewis in his sci fi series said our planet is under quarantine. Only nasty buggers seem to try a and contact people with frequency.

>>40908514
Assume the demons I see are real and reply to my argument from that view, not from the view I'm insane. To call me insane is to give up arguing with me and admit defeat.

>>40908436
>If you get scared just remember the rainbow
huh?

>>40908505
>They didn't create this realm, or us.
Humans were definitely created by them.

>>40908519
Lmao why would your interlocutor cede anything to you? He's right. You are insane.

Larp

>>40908524
>definitely
lol

>>40908525
Calling me and everyone who has seen demons in history insane is cope.

>>40908535
Nah. The real cope is in contextualizing schizophrenia in terms of demons. There is no fruitful debate with a person who's sick in the head. You unironically need meds.

>>40908552
After billion years of Evolution, the mind is feeble

You’ve basically hit this reasoning:

>Intelligence created us — can’t be random accident.
>My personal encounters with “God” and “angels” have been vague and easily doubted.
>My encounters with “demons” have been intense, terrifying, and intellectually striking.
>Therefore, maybe the demons are the ones in charge, and the “God” stories are false hope.

1. Why this line of thought is so compelling

>Vividness bias — our brains give more weight to the most emotionally intense experiences, so horrifying encounters feel more real than quiet peace.
>Silence of the good — if God is subtle, it’s easy to think He’s absent or powerless.
>Immediate danger vs. distant hope — our minds are hardwired to prioritize threats we can see over promises we can’t verify.

2. Theological counters from Catholic thought

>God hides, but not because He’s weak — in Catholicism, this is tied to faith and free will. If His presence were as overpowering as the demons’ terror, there’d be no freedom to reject Him.
>Demons use shock and fear because they lack true creative power; their only weapon is distortion. God tends to move through quiet transformation, slow changes of the heart, and subtle providence.
>Discernment rule (Ignatius of Loyola):
>>True divine encounters leave lasting peace, humility, and charity.
>>Demonic encounters leave agitation, despair, pride, or fixation on the encounter itself.

>>40908596
3. Psychological framing

>Even if we temporarily bracket theology, there’s a meaningful difference between:
>Experiences that destabilize you (pulling you into mania, despair, obsession).
>Experiences that strengthen you (help you live better, treat others better, and grow in love).

Whether you call the first “demons” and the second “angels” or just “harmful vs. healthy mind-states,” the discernment process works the same.

The hidden assumption in “demons run the world”

This reasoning assumes:

>If demons can appear vividly and act intelligently, they must be the highest authority.
>But logically:
>They could simply be the loudest agents we encounter — like an obnoxious neighbor who yells from across the street, while the landlord (God) works quietly behind the scenes.
>Power doesn’t always equate to spectacle; some of the most powerful forces in the universe (gravity, nuclear forces) act invisibly.

>>40908596
3. Psychological framing

>Even if we temporarily bracket theology, there’s a meaningful difference between:
>Experiences that destabilize you (pulling you into mania, despair, obsession).
>Experiences that strengthen you (help you live better, treat others better, and grow in love).

Whether you call the first “demons” and the second “angels” or just “harmful vs. healthy mind-states,” the discernment process works the same.

4. The hidden assumption in “demons run the world”

This reasoning assumes:

>If demons can appear vividly and act intelligently, they must be the highest authority.
>But logically:
>They could simply be the loudest agents we encounter — like an obnoxious neighbor who yells from across the street, while the landlord (God) works quietly behind the scenes.
>Power doesn’t always equate to spectacle; some of the most powerful forces in the universe (gravity, nuclear forces) act invisibly.

>>40908552
Post your side of the argument that God/the good side is in control.

My biggest problem with the loosh theory, that they feed on negative emotions, is that we don't see anything like that in Nature. All there is, is the eating of the flesh of plants and animals.

>>40904690 (OP)
demons are not scary
theyre lame as fuck

>>40908777

>777

Holy trips my higga(holy n1gga)

>>40908777
Trips of truth.

Why is this being slid so much?

Not sure if OP is still here… I was wondering how he supposedly ‘seen’ these entities, via hallucination or simply in his minds eye by imagining them

Most encounters with entities are based around feelings and vibrations and various dubious methods of communication that are not exactly scientific - I have dabbled and felt terrifying things, who knows if they were conjured by my own subconscious, (this seems to be a contentious topic in occult circles) anyone care to elaborate on this? Do you think aberrations are products of our subconscious or separate entities… (as above so below, maybe both could be true), interested what you all think

>>40908677
Isn’t that what confidence man Hubbard wrote about when he created Scientology? Seems to be a similar concept but with different terminology

>>40904690 (OP)
The archetypical Creator has two important characteristics. The creative ability (the power to shape things) and the creative spirit (both the desire to create and the ability to come up with stuff).
We embody this traits to a degree. Our creative ability is manifested through our hands. With them we write, we carve, we manufacture, we process, and we move mountains stone by stone.
Our creative spirit is manifested through our spark of creativity. It drives us to express ourselves through art, and it helps us come up with inventive solutions.
These traits that resemble God's to a degree were wrapped in a form that resembles God's to a degree. We are godlings. God exists wherever we go. The demons' opposite force is us.
Describe your demons for me, OP.

>>40908777
/thread

>>40905555
Fucking nostalgiapost
oldfag/10

>>40912179
Not OP but I've seen them through "forced daydream visions", so in my mind's eye not directly in front of me. They have mostly been suppressed in my memory. They're giant like elephants. One was colored all black with red highlights. They're humanoid standing on two feet but are monstrous like Diablo from the Diablo series. They mocked me and said I was going to Hell no matter what I did, no matter how much I repented for my sins. They said they're coming to Earth to eat all humans, which I hope is not true.

I have had visions of angels, however too, so that leads me to believe there is a spiritual war going on. I still share some of OP's fear because my visions of demons were often more clear than my visions of angels. One of the demons I call the "Puppetmaster" who looked like some sort of carnivalesque demon was holding a puppet version of the angel I saw named Ducky on puppet strings to make me think everything she did was demon-controlled.

>>40904690 (OP)
The world is corrupted and currently a demonic playground. Angels cannot coexist with sin (corruption), so you're not going to see them as often as demons. And even if you did, they'd leave you in a catatonic state. In the Bible, only Mary was pure enough to be able to interact with an angel and remain unfazed.
In Orthodoxy, demons are known to be the principalities of the air that Saint Paul describes in one of his letters. That is to say, demons rule over the subtle realm (what new agers call the astral). It's not the same as heaven, it's a layer of reality that's more subtle, the one you access during OBEs or psychedelic experiences, for example. This is where demons reside. Angels are in heaven (for the most part), and unless God grants you a vision, you will not see heaven in this life.

>>40908436
When demons attack you, say psalm 22 and 90 (or 23 and 91 for Catholics and Protestants). They will recoil.

>>40913987
If the things I'm deflecting as i descend into shroomspace are demons, they really ain't shit
You can literally toss them around and destroy them like they were made of balsa wood
The only thing I've ever encountered that was hostile and couldn't be instantly bent to my will could do nothing but push me back to this level. Horrible, btw, but harmless.
If that's the best they can do you really must be a weak willed mfer to fall for their shit

>>40904690 (OP)
>wise
They are not, their wisdom illussory otherwise they would not seek to turn this world into shit

>>40905591
>They can't do anything at all to you without God letting them
Lets that sink in

>>40913973
>They're giant like elephants
Big targets! Also they can't follow you into small spaces.

>standing on two feet
Hit them in their big shins. It will make chasing after you painful. And if they grab you, hit them in their teeth. Teeth are full of nerves and hurt like motherfuckers.
These demons of yours are just full of giant weak spots.

>said I was going to Hell no matter what I did
See, this is a matter of perspective. If they were afraid of you then you going to Hell no matter what would terrify them, because it would make you inevitable.
You must become dangerous and a threat.

>there is a spiritual war going on
Because the reinforcements.

>>40914342
>Because the reinforcements
Become*. My bad. I got too excited.

Demons are very real but they have no power over you

most demons I've encountered pretend to be good guys. they don't come to you looking like darth maul lmao. they're deceiving spirits not haloween jumpscares

OP is probably just a retarded evangelical

>>40913973

>They said they're coming to Earth to eat all humans

Sounds like an anime. Very scary, but the weeb part inside me would be excited. How strong, fast, and durable are they?

first demon I see is getting thumbs in its eyesockets and im gonna dig around in there while hooting like a monkey

>>40904690 (OP)
Yours and their attempts at monstrosity are cute.

You have no idea what lurks in the dark. Demons are creatures of fire and ice. They are material. They are malleable. They are tools, like unenlightened humans.

Demons are pathetic compared to what lurks at the edges of shadow.

>>40916142
>>40916152

This was an act of gangstalking. Is a reference to "Hooping and hollering" demons n1gger joke I made for myself.

>>40917408
Lovecraftian shiz?

I"m being haunted by one its a female and she talks so much shit it drives me insane, but she also sometimes flirts with me. The worst she has done is trick me into removing my eyeball, and also given me horrible nightmares. I've dreamed of being in hell, and I've dreamed in being in a dark prison were demons run inside and try to torture me. They always want me to side with them, or sign a contract,

I always trick them. They're angry as fuck, angrier than anything human. I really hope I don't get tortured by her for eternity she has so much to go off. Tho she says she doesn't want me dead all the time, rarely has she told me to kill myself she usually says "don't even dream about it" tho it could be mockingly because she wants to continue insulting me lmao

I personally believe Jesus will save me however because I've prayed to him, and he has saved me in my dreams before. I always wear my crucifix and I'm on the road to repentance.

>>40913987
I've seen an angel before like the one in your picture, it has two stars behind him. I'm surrounded by a lot of entities its fucking crazy. I know i should have taken a picture, but I was just to mesmerized by it that I totally forgot. Also I knew that my camera wasn't going to pick it up and I was going to miss the moment.

It was all white with that design and it gently flapped its wings very slowly and moved like a spirit. The demon that haunts me said that it hated how it was singing, and it turns out seraphim actually sign!?

Seraphim are real I've witness one

>>40917803
Worse. My mother in law.

>>40917876
Seraphim are the closest to God. If that was really one of them that you saw, it's an unbelievably rare blessing. I'm not even sure anyone in the Bible aside from Ezekiel ever saw a Seraphim

>>40904690 (OP)
If OP is frightened, this post is valid. If not, this is just another demonic attempt to assign power to powerless entities. Demons do infact look scary when you encounter them. However, that is the upper limit of their capabilities for 99.8% of them. You can exorcise/banish them with willpower alone. You have free will, they don't, they MUST terrorize the ignorant, and they MUST bow to higher spiritual and physical beings when commanded with intent directly from your own will. They are the low forms of consciousness closer to concepts than true "being" never allow them to be above you in the metaphysical heirarchy.

>>40918141
I know, but I'm not prophet. All I've done is walk the road to repentance and my heart has always been to reach a higher truth and helping people. That's all, when I see how people are suffering I always try to give them an answer to break out of it. I'm sure God will help us all because we are like children to him all we have to do is repent.

Also another interesting detail was when I decided to stop my walk and go back home, I got a smell of a perfume when there was nobody around me. It smelled like earth, oils, and flowers. I felt like it was the angel letting me know that it was still observing me, or saying goodbye.

>>40918479
>earth, oils, and flowers
Sounds similar to the fragrance that emanates from the imperishable corpses of Saints

>>40918479
I read a book by an Orthodox monk and he said many monks in isolation smell such "Perfumes" from being in the presence of saints or angels.

>>40918910
This is the book:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0385500920

>>40905814
Hieronymous Bosch (?) Garden of Earthly delights, most common demons are related to excess - lust, greed, gluttony, sloth and look like disgusting garish clowns rather than the cool horned rage monsters that popular culture likes to sometimes depict them as

Counterpoint - that's simply the type of demon I've ever "encountered" as that's the "angle" of corruption that's conducive to my "fall" as my go to "sin" would be wrath and I'm not all that aligned to material luxury, so there's more payoff to me being mired in that

>>40904690 (OP)
I've been face to face with really ugly demons and it wasn't that bad. Machine elves tried jump scaring me and it didn't work either. They really are just a bunch of angry little bastard munchkins.

>>40904690 (OP)
The point is you don't know. The demon knows that your speculation is basically an endless rabbit hole of delusion.
There's nothing you can do about it, so it's basically irrelevant. Whatever happens happens, but like the ancients, you should live with some degree of reverence for the unknown. That doesn't mean you have to live in fear.
Maybe the afterlife is one big giant assbang. That would suck. I hope not.

>>40918945

So will the attack be like anime?

>>40904896
good is dumb, this is why evil always win.

>>40905919
Codex Gigas is one of the best IMO
>Check that broken pineal gland hat
>Denotes the loss of sanity, self
>Not edgy at all, yet eerily disturbing
>Comes from a giant-ass mistery book rumored to have been written by the Devil itself

Yeah, most modern depictions of demons feel very ween and tryhard IMO. This one has that... I dunno. Dread?

>>40923646
We meet again, nigga cookie.
Say, I have been messing with you for a while in jest, but hear me.
Any demon or in some case Spirit can make scents, even pleasant, such as strawberries or fresh tobacco. Sometimes the scent is foul.

Now I'll post a knife, because I do what I do, but also because I want to pretend I'm a demon out to eat you :3

Real talk, you ever seen a cryptid?

>>40924058

>Real talk, you ever seen a cryptid

Not to my knowledge. Closest thing I remember is seeing a caterpillar that reminded me of a clown kinda and a daddy longlegs that seemed kinda alien. But tbf I was young, but I was never afraid of insects or the like, so idk.

Bump.

>>40904690 (OP)
You see demons because they bend the rules and God plays fair.
But angels walk among you all the time.
Stay true. They have no power over you.

God wins in the End.

>>40927585
I really don't know what to add, if you havent witnessed, you cant comment proper :/

There are angelic beings, I've seen/experienced them... and gods- they don't come calling though typically, demons like to fuck with people, sorta one characteristic making them demons- 'angels' not so much- you need to call them.. and you better have your shit dialed straight before they show-up if you know what I'm sayin'

>>40914110
Eh. Tests happen.

>>40908777
They're literally cenobites and they all follow the Talmud.

>>40928156
There is a Truce. Neither Angels nor Demons can interfere in Human affairs.
God wants Humans to have free will.
It's part of his Grand Design.

But Demons break the truce. They enter this plane where they do not belong, to influence Human affairs. Sometimes Humans foolishly summon them. Sometimes they are able to break in on their own. That is when Angels are dispatched to deal with them.

They watch over Humanity and do not interfere except to stop Demonic entities from fucking with this plane.

Sometimes Angels get too attached to Humanity, and they interfere above and beyond their mission. But this is rare. Their goal is to protect this plane from demonic takeover nothing more nothing less. Humanity is meant to make its own path free from outside influences.

>>40929252
This also means, that if an Angel contacts you, you should be cautious. They are not meant to contact us or interact with us. But Demons contact Humans unprompted. So it is likely you are dealing with a Demon in an Angel disguise.

Be careful when talking to spirit entities and remember NONE OF THEM HAVE POWER over you. They can do to you, what you allow them to do. You simply do not have to let them in, listen to them, their false promises or bargains they offer.

They have no power except what you give them. You are one of God's creatures and are untouchable by their filth as long as you don't let them in.

>>40929270

>NONE OF THEM HAVE POWER over you. They can do to you, what you allow them to do. You simply do not have to let them in, listen to them, their false promises or bargains they offer.

This not fully true. Sure, do not bargain with them, but they can and will eff with you unprompted without you needing to do anything.

>>40929390
Like I said, they can only deceive.

Yes, they will promise many great things.
And if they can't see an in with you, because you are pure-hearted, they will try to scare you into submission.

They can appear to manifest many powers on this world, shake cupboards, shatter mirrors, appear before you, misplace your items, and try to fuck with you in a myriad ways, enter your dreams, stalk you, but you yourself are ultimately untouchable by them as long as you do not give in. Their powers are all a deception, parlor tricks, you are ultimately the one in control.

>>40929420
If you foolishly cede control to them, however, that is another matter.

>>40928554
>all knowing god needs tests
Enjoy burning in hell.