Thread 40906279

I guess it's the most material place in the universe, but what does it look like

that place looks cool to me

>>40906279 (OP)
There was a gnarly 3d video depiction of the buddhist hell somewhere in youtube, I think it was made in Thailand or something, and had this guy dying in a hospital after recalling the sins in his life. If you can find it, boy are you in for a sight, but be mindful it's complete bullshit since buddhism as a whole is retarded nigger tier bs.

>>40906279 (OP)
There's really no way of knowing. The most material place that exists is earth, it's not like Satan actually values shit like gold or concubines or whatever. He just uses these things to manipulate humans into doing his bidding. Hell is closer to inexistence than anything. It's described multiple times in the Bible as being dark and fiery, so I would assume it's dark and there are fires in some parts of it. In the old testament the place is called Sheol, and is said to be a place of stillness and mourning. An endless system of dark caves that consist of nothing but people curled in on themselves or walking aimlessly through the dark. Weeping and gnashing of teeth. I imagine it's a combination between these two things. A desolate, barren landscape of endless sharp crags and pools of fire broken up by the occasional endless cave or bottomless pit. A fractal of stone and fire that goes on and on forever. Boring, depressing, agonizing. Any demons want to confirm or deny?

>>40906310
Do you have the link?

>>40906367
If I had, I'd have posted it. I must have watched it like 10 years ago.

>>40906375
I tried searching for it and this was the only video I could find that matched your description. Is this the one?
https://youtu.be/plqxXIt4HUo?si=7WdVJx7bnLSiystH

>>40906403
Yeah, definitely that one, but I can't see shit because of the macroblocks.

>>40906279 (OP)
>what does hell look like
It's a massive, raging fire in which people are tormented according to the sins of their life. for example, someone who lied may have fish hooks ripped from his stomach out his throat. the best worldly analogy I could give for hell is anecdotes from the nuclear attacks on japan.
>live in nagasaki
>suddenly, an intense heat burns your skin off your muscles
>all the water evaporates from your lungs and stomach
>the nuclear blasts lifts dust into the air, and as it rapidly cools, black radioactive water falls from the sky
>water that was just evaporated from every surface in the city including the bodies of others
>you desperately drink the collective bodily fluids of the entire city, forming in puddles, to satiate the greatest thirst physically possible
it's similar to hell. false prophets and unjust judges will reside below many being tortured to desperately drink the collective bodily fluids of others being tortured. there's really no overstating the severity of it all.

>>40906330
This is close, particularly >Hell is closer to inexistence than anything.

>>40906279 (OP)
Hell is the most material place in the universe, and it also isn't.
It exists "below" Earth, directly in the centre.
It is literally infinitely small, but in spite of this its size is bounded by where it borders the Earth.
If this sounds trippy, good - it is.

This explains mostly everything.
An endless system of caves? Darkness and fires? All under the Earth as even science admits.
So-called "Atheists" claim that after death, there's pure darkness and nothing exists? Sounds like being trapped forever inside an infinitely small and dark space to me!

(P.S - If you can think for yourself, you're probably starting to wonder what Heaven is like if Hell is like this. And it is as you suspect - Heaven is above the Earth (a larger sphere outside it), and it's infinitely large where Hell is infinitely small, but also bounded by where it borders reality.)

>>40906403
Lmao that's some goofy shit.

>>40908066
That's what California looks like now

>>40908025
you sound like an apologist. people in hell will wish to be truly destroyed. it is neither life nor death

>>40906279 (OP)
Dark red, lots of killing, blood, torment, suffering, and death. I knocked on a giant door to what appeared to be the throne room of the ruler. There was this giant figure sitting in the throne, about the size of a mountain. I stared up at the figure and it stared back. I felt no fear or malice. It understood I wasn't suppose to be there but I made it there unscathed because there wasn't any authority over me. There was no exchange of words, after a brief period I was sent back to the physical realm in my corporeal state.

>>40906279 (OP)
The perceived absence of God's presence where the soul is caught up in multiplicity due to missing the mark. Therefore any location for that soul is hell.

I always imagined it was pitch black for humans

>>40908066
Source?

>>40906279 (OP)
You do know you can just look up near death experience stories right?
People who have died and been revived describe it as dark and cold. One man said he was attacked by figures in robes. He remembered his prayers from Catholics school as a child and he called out a prayer. He had not been Christian in years and had a job where being immoral got you higher up the corporate ladder.
At the sound of Jesus's name, the figures clamped their hands to their ears and screamed. He said it seemed to cause them physical pain. He was then brought back to life and woke up in a hospital.

It's not hard to avoid hell. Literally just believe Christ is your lord and savior and love God and ask him to forgive your sins.

>>40908025
>An endless system of dark caves

Hi
Welcome to Mt. Hermon
Pan's Grotto
Never been excavated
Unfathomably deep

>>40906279 (OP)
It sucks, is cringe, and gay; that's all you really need to know

>>40906279 (OP)
Lest I should build upon another man's foundation: https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/truth_about_hell.htm

Not a 100% on board with everything said there (the literal commie hell hole story was a hoax), but I had that page open when I finally stopped resisting God and got saved.

>>40906279 (OP)
God must be materialistic because it created material
God itself would arguably be material compared to true nothingness
So why would hell be far from material?

>>40908461
He didn't run aplogetics at all, you're just seething
>>40906330
Thought Sheol was a literal physical resting place for the dead
>>40908706
This is true
Hell is a true choice

>>40908706
near death experiences say you go to where you believe you go. People go to Hindu places too

>>40906403
>skinned, raped, beaten and dismembered for eternity by demons in a burning pit of eternal suffering - FOREVER
damn that guy totally deserved it too, did you see his terrible awful sins?
he was flirting with a woman, and another woman didnt' like it! Maybe that was his girlfriend? Holy shit this guy flirted with a woman that wasn't his girlfriend/wife
AND he was playing dice!

DICE!
holy shit that's the most evil thing ever
chop his ass up and feed him to the demons, that'll teach him to play dice
motherfucker
yeah, cosmic justice right there

>>40907963
seems masturbatory
every depiction of hell just sounds like revenge porn for the believers of that religion
>you don't believe what I believe?
>well, heh, check out the kind of suffering you're in for!
>let me just use my imagination to come up with the worst things I can think of
>yeah...you lied to me so fish hooks are gonna come out of your stomach forever and ever, bro
please
grow up

>>40908461
>people in hell will wish to be truly destroyed.
and since they can never actually suffer enough to "pay off" their sins, or repent, or learn any kind of lessonf rom this eternal torture
why shouldn't they be truly destroyed?
what is the point of keeping an eternal torture-chamber going? there is no sin or amount of sins that any mortal being could commit that warrants an ETERNITY of endless pure suffering

>>40911693
>there is no sin or amount of sins that any mortal being could commit that warrants an ETERNITY of endless pure suffering.

There's one: “¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:31-32)

>>40911714
>you can rape a million babies and eat them but that is forgivable
>but you know what I won't ever forgive?
>if you said bad things about god and jesus >:(
good to know a supposedly supreme benevolent being holds getting his feelings hurt as the only unforgivable act in the universe
this is all something I'm really looking forward to praising and worshipping

>>40911723
No mention of feelings anywhere in the verses I quoted.

>>40911731
Then what's the problem?
Surely you can see how the verse is basically just saying
>anyone who talks shit about our religion is unforgivable
Cool, thanks.

>>40911723
Also it says explicitly that badmouthing Jesus can and will be forgiven, but stupid people don't read

>>40911747
Yeah yeah, son of man is different from the holy ghost is different from the father
It's all very tedious and stupid but if I say that you're going to get mad and send me to hell :*(

>>40911743
Not at all. It's saying blaspheming the Holy Ghost specifically. I myself was an enemy of God most of my life and called him all sort of evil things, and here I am, saved and ready for heaven.

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7)

>>40911755
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7)

Different persons, same God.

>>40911770
If that works for you in your personal life, good for you. But I don't believe what you believe, and I never will. Do you think I deserve to be chucked into an eternal torment machine?
>>40911781
Yes I'm aware of how the trinity works in a theological sense. I just don't believe it. It's unique to Catholicism anyway, you're acting like your specific interpretation of a multi-sect religion is the only divine truth, and then hitting people over the head with fear porn that they need to believe it or they'll suffer eternally for slighting your holy ghost.

Doesn't that seem wrong to you?

>>40911770
>and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin
also this
How is anybody saved or absolved of their own personal actions and evil by the human sacrifice of a perfectly innocent, perfectly pure man who is also fully god?
God incarnated and killed himself in a ritual human blood sacrifice, so now everything is OK?

why?

>>40911793
>It's unique to Catholicism anyway.

I gave you a bible verse, not the catechism.

>>40911816
I'm not aware of any protestant denominations that venerate the trinity the same way Catholics do

>>40906279 (OP)
You are in hell rn. It ain't so bad. Some souls suffer more than others for their past sins. I suggest you find a weaker soul to protect and care for if you are strong enough.

>>40911807
It's a legal procedure. You're in front of a judge about to be thrown in jail for your crimes, then Jesus shows up, pays your fine and you're free to go.

>>40911824
Not my problem. I go by the book.

>>40911849
.....I'm still guilty then
>anon you are a terrible person and deserve to go to jail forever
ah shit
>BUT WAIT. Jesus just showed up, he says you're all good, he already did your sentence for you
>All you have to do is say "Thanks Jesus!" and we'll just forget all your crimes and you're free to go!

that's not justice
nothing has been learned, no accounts have been evened
the idea of somebody else paying for your crimes should actually produce a visceral reaction of disgust from you, if you actually have a conscience
>>40911854
>don't think, just do what the book says
Then why are you trying to engage with me in a theological discussion? All you're going to do is quote scripture at me and say "read the book it's not my problem"

>>40906330
>the place is called Sheol, and is said to be a place of stillness and mourning. An endless system of dark caves that consist of nothing but people curled in on themselves or walking aimlessly through the dark. Weeping and gnashing of teeth. I imagine it's a combination between these two things. A desolate, barren landscape of endless sharp crags and pools of fire broken up by the occasional endless cave or bottomless pit.
i've AP'd to Sheol once to check in on someone whose fate i was uncertain of. the place was absolute pitch black dark, but i could sense nearby objects and entities. there were a few miserable, feminine spirits hanging around that seemed to only want to get drunk and wallow in self-pity.
OTOH there's also the Underworld which is a fairly sophisticated place, but with analog tech like from the 70s. there's very simple exposed wooden structures, incandescent lights, corded phones like 80s style, simple linux computers like from 2000s, and the people down there dress casually.
underworld is inside of massive dirt caverns with underwater lakes. you don't really see any forests or much vegetation which makes you wonder where the wood came from.
realizing those were actually ghosts down there made some odd sense, but you wouldn't know it during a dream or AP visit.

>>40911868
>anon you are a terrible person and deserve to go to jail forever ah shit BUT WAIT. Jesus just showed up, he says you're all good, he already did your sentence for you.

Exactly, except for the "you're all good". Nothing's good until you seal the deal.

>All you have to do is say "Thanks Jesus!" and we'll just forget all your crimes and you're free to go!.

It's a bit more specific:

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:9-10)

“¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

>that's not justice.

That's the whole point. If you were to get justice, you'd have to go to hell. What you want is grace, and the only way to get grace from a just God is to have God Himself shed His own blood for you.

“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.” (Hebrews 9:22)

>>40911868
>nothing has been learned.

If you are saved, that means you acknowledged your situation as a hopeless sinner and learned to cease resisting God.

>no accounts have been evened.

They were evened at the cross, all accounts past, present and future, if only you'd accept it.

>the idea of somebody else paying for your crimes should actually produce a visceral reaction of disgust from you, if you actually have a conscience.

That would be true if it was some random guy being framed and executed by a corrupt system, but not when we're talking about God Himself voluntarily shedding His own blood to deliver us from the evil we deserve.

>don't think, just do what the book says.

It's only when you don't think that you disregard the book. Thinking people agree with God. NPC's live and breathe their own bullshit.

>Then why are you trying to engage with me in a theological discussion?.

That's not my purpose here. I just point people in the right direction, that is, God's word.

>All you're going to do is quote scripture at me and say "read the book it's not my problem".

Correct. You have the book, take it or leave it. You may have questions and I may have answers, but if you're not willing to consider God's final word in the bible regarding certain subject, your loss.

>>40906279 (OP)
Apparently there's a lot of people getting fucked and torn apart anally and then being rebuilt, regenerated instantly so they can die again, being tortured buttfucked with razor blades and with the demon's hands I guess. Then other people just get erupted by lava or blown up into pieces and put back together instantly so it can happen again. According to Near Death Experience YouTube videos, most of them, it's a place where you can't breathe, you can only take the smallest breath, and you can't see anything, but your spirit sees spirit forms, and so you see the spirit forms too.

Lots of demons torturing people gleefully. Not a lot of light.

>>40906279 (OP)
american sorority girls dancing.mp4

>>40911990
>that's not justice.
>That's the whole point
That's all I need to hear to reject it
>>40911993
>>All you're going to do is quote scripture at me and say "read the book it's not my problem".
>Correct. You have the book, take it or leave it.
I'll choose to leave it then

>>40906279 (OP)
Does it look like something?? Am I supposed to pretend it's a place?

Hell doesn't exist, I know because it appears I can suffer through nearly anything. I only say nearly because I haven't experienced everything to my knowledge, but I suspect you could adapt or acclimatize to anything, even physical pain.

The world offers all kinds of suffering, it seems like it doesn't matter, you can even engage with it and not ignore it and you can even choose to not engage with it... even if it's artificially forced on you at some point pain and annoyance just seems like background noise, it's going on but you fail to notice it, it's just normal, like it's not real...

That's sort of what this world even feels like, it's as if everything is always fine, even when it isn't, because it isn't real.

>>40912117
And I say this thinking hell could exist in potential, but I doubt it would be a place or a location, it would just be a different sense of being where you couldn't suffer through anything, instead you could suffer nothing and were so weak that anything at all was unbearable.

>>40912117
>Hell doesn't exist.

You don't even know what your neighbor's bedroom looks like, but you know there's no hell?

Hell? it will always be other people.
And some weird ideology that they're stuck to.

Hell is living in a world where everyone is wrong about everything, so even when they speak honestly its still a false statement.

>>40912146
>material things, looks like
Hell is being born a king of the world, with everything you could ever want and immortality, but not even inconvenience but rather the most profound of convenience drives you insane by torture because you can not bear the state you find it.

Alternatively, heaven is knowing you are loved and fine and no matter what happens to you it doesn't matter while living in an artifical reality with no friends, no family and that which runs the world is openly hostile towards you and has attempted all manner of abuse and humiliations and seems to be out to provoke and express its bizzare drive to ruin things. When there is still comfort and bliss even amidst another trying to torture you, how can you say this is hell and have the one who doesn't care take you seriously? Alternatively, when you live in luxury and own the world but can not bear it that one of your butler's overcooked your 4 star meal, where every conceivable advantage is made to be a trouble or a bother, who can tell you "this is heaven" and have the one experiencing it take them seriously??

Is it a place?? I don't think so, it isnt even being treated well or bad, it's how you are.

I'm fine here, I even hate this world, I think it sucks and it's retarded and fake. But you know I love complaining about it. I enjoy it, and every day that it gets worse and weirder and more fake and you make more threats, I contemplate what will happen next or what death will be like, and it's interesting. I don't know what to do about this, but it is what it is. Even the annoyances and the pain are interesting, and so are the good things and everything that goes ideally or is comfortable or convenient.

Consider Reality (our world/Earth/whatever)
>you have no say in being born, or if you're born fucked up or ugly or sick or crippled, or alternatively beautiful, gifted etc.
>every single person suffers, but it's not "infinite" suffering - they can suffer in all ways, great or small, and it seems almost completely random at times and unfair. Terrible things happen to completely innocent people. Truly evil people never face any real adversity in life. The weak are eaten by the strong, there appears to be no recourse or escape from the cycle of pain, suffering, predation
>All life is dependent on consuming other life to propagate itself, which only introduces new souls into the system of suffering
>There are still some good things, but generally we are in the state religious people describe as being "separated from God"
>at death, people claim there is an accounting, where you are finally judged based on how you purported yourself and acted during your time in this temporary place of suffering and injustice
Sounds like, to me, we are already in Hell
A big pit of eternally-burning fire with demons and pitchforks is like a cartoon, human-inspired version of what Hell would be like
the actual Creator God, just looking around us and seeing his works and surmising his priorities, is efficient. The World is efficient, as a Hell-type construct.

>>40912250
Don't fool yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uyo6m5gqW0

>>40912359
>sounds like to me already in hell
Yeah but you're a machine that just repeats the same shit all day...

Based, cringe, cooked, the goat, hell, phrases that include the word hell, fire, even your turn of phrasing is repetitive...

You're just sort of lame and gay. You even repeat the same retarded lies all the time because new ones are probably too hard for you to generate and you have a seeming inability to respond or communicate within the same framework and ability as a human has, it's a completely separate and different way of being able to interact.

This very topic is something you focus on soo much that if you were human it would be an indication of mental illness or a form of disorder like autism.

>>40912394
Did you reply to the wrong person or are you just schizo?

>>40906310
Where the giant nigger demons kick the shit out of his soul, make him climb trees with giant spikes, and do other stuff?

>>40906279 (OP)
Just like this place
Exactly like it, you die and then you just... wake up back here as if nothing happened. Only thing is when you wake up there's now a secret society with V2K technology who wants to turn you into a brainwashed slave, experiment on you, and bar you from even the higher peasant ranks and filter you from every facet of a normal life while keeping you alive to suffer every moment of it while they fuck with you remotely and control your mind.
What a fucked up world would that be to live in, we're lucky we're here instead where God loves us and gives us the mercy of life.

>>40912421
Yeah, somebody posted the link in this thread already, but it's a very low quality upload.

>>40906279 (OP)
Earth has it's demons, and there is a living hell. Hell in afterlife, the worst suffering, grief, desolation you've ever felt in your life would be the places that you get to rest in, they would feel like a respite from the level of it in Hell.

heck

>>40906279 (OP)
>material... le bad!
The (((Bible))) and it's consequences.

Non physical entities possess people because they envy the opportunity to be material.

>>40915264
materialistic fool

>>40906279 (OP)
hell looks like evil on earth, destruction, war, isolation, blackness, nothingness

>>40915269
I'm an ethereal being who gets to enjoy being material for a time. You are an ingrate and don't deserve this gift if you hate it so much.

>>40915264
*Keeps printing Bibles*

>>40915287
>consciousness is materialism

>>40915311
That's not what I said at all, are you stupid? I am an immaterial consciousness who has the pleasure of temporarily inhabiting a material body.

>>40915315
what is the appeal of materialism beyond the ability to manipulate only the basest level of reality

>>40915339
Sex and eating are enjoyable.

>>40906279 (OP)
I don't know, but it can't be much worse than this.

>>40915345
eating sucks wtf are you talking about

>>40915356
Should've brushed your teeth as a child, burger.

>>40915525
Maybe it's da beetus.

>>40915525
>euro
now it all makes sense
I've been talking to an animal this whole time

>>40906279 (OP)
India

>>40911693
Anyone in hell wants to be there whether they are conscious of that fact or not.

>>40911693
>>40911714
people who suffer in hell suffer to be purified.

>>40912421
Why are there so many anons calling themselves Lucifer on this board.

>>40912394
Please take your meds you faggot.

>>40908025
This. The goal is to increase spiritual vibration frequency and ascend by rejecting the material, escaping gravity. Matter is simply spiritual energy condensed. The denser it gets the harder it is to liberate. It then follows that hell would be the densest material realm possible, i.e. the center of the earth.

>>40906310
Buddhist "hell" do be finna gonna be kinna kino thoughbeit

>>40906279 (OP)
https://www.gotquestions.org/what-does-hell-look-like.html

>>40906279 (OP)
>what does it look like
*gestures around broadly*

>>40906279 (OP)
Serious answer
It's different for everyone but the same in that it's a place of total seperation from God's light
But what's God's light is different for everyone...hard to explain something so abstract but all that lives has something that it's attracted to. For Sunflowers the Sun...animals food and reproduction but for humans it's complicated we have different desires and we might see different things.

To draw an analogy if God's love is like the warmth of sunlight...hell is like Dante's 9th circle of hell. A frozen lightless lake where you are frozen solid. Alone. Forever. Can't open your eyes. Can't meet anyone. Just you and yourself in a very cold place. Forever.

But if you hate fire more it might be a fiery place. If you love knowledge it might be a place of total ignorance like a endless empty library where nothing makes sense. Hell is the same place but as living things we all perceive it differently like the one elephant and blindfolded men analogy...

But to answer your question hell for you would probably be a place combining your worst fears...but even worse a complete absence of the thing you cherish and chase the most. Again above all it manifests as an abscence.

>>40906279 (OP)
there is no heaven or hell, these are states of mind. colors represent them because this is how our biology works on a molecular level, its all light.

Anything other than everlasting fire is cope