Thread 40914997

Do you possess Grace?

>>40914997 (OP)
Anyone can claim so, but it's something only you and God will ever really know.

>>40915018
Nah you can feel it when someone has it, I think, it gives them dignity in all situations, and let's face it, neither of us, as of yet, has Grace.

>>40915041
Speak for yourself on all those points.

>>40914997 (OP)
We don't possess it but we can be redeemed through it.

>>40915276
Yeah, that's the first step to Grace, I bet. Being honest and developing integrity. Merging with your shadow. That kinda stuff.

>>40914997 (OP)
grace is by chance

>>40915674
Will you take a chance?

>>40914997 (OP)
I see grace as a neutralizer. Expressed vitriol is negated thru grace. How much abuse should you tolerate tho?

>>40915766
I assume grace must have some type of faith understanding that makes the suffering unimportant. People with grace often seem to be either innocent or wizened.

>>40915784
More wise than innocent. Innocent grace just comes off as ignorance, it seems

>>40915784
Grace is for the giver, no sense in taking a poison pill that only affects you. It'd be wise to detach yourself from the situation that's demanding grace, tho

>>40914997 (OP)
I once did, now I am filth, bound for hell

>>40914997 (OP)
idk what that is but consensus seems to be that i don't get to decide in the first place, so i'll just assume that whether i do or not does not matter to me directly, only to some distant potential

>>40914997 (OP)
Yes. God gives grace to me everyday so I can live with myself.

>>40915978
Interesting. Jesus gives me Grace so I can deal with others.

>>40915978
>>40916004
There's an obvious healthy balance between these two

>>40914997 (OP)
how is this paranormal

>>40916028
Doesn't seem to be "normal" these days

>>40916028
We all just exist for no reason and there is a way to rise above it. It is like coolness or enlightenment. Is cool even real? Is enlightenment even real? Is grace even real? What is it?

I like to think i have a *little* grace

>>40916062
it makes me very tired how you can't just answer a simple question

>>40916088
Before we get into semantics how do you define normal and paranormal?

>>40914997 (OP)
I used to.

>>40916101
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/paranormal

>>40914997 (OP)
Grace is the 9th dimension.
Fun place to live

>>40915276
kind of failed to proof you have it right there

>>40916139
You really gotta do a link? you can't copy and post what it says?

>>40916193
yeah and I am convinced by now you are full of shit and nothing about your thread is paranormal

>>40916101
Not that anon, but your trap is an elegant one. Classic Taoist Aikido.

>>40916206
Okay. I'm gonna post a link explaining why you're wrong. Click it anon. https://youtu.be/Aq5WXmQQooo?si=T69_TTrCJUkoZU4Z

>>40916206
You can't think of a paranormal application of a bi-way taylor expanse?
I mean again, if you're defining paranormal as "outside the bounds of science to explain" then everything suddenly becomes normal, even things like psychic powers or miracles.

>>40916206
I think Grace can give you superhuman dignity against all reason. It defies the laws of evolution. Why do animals often go into shock when they are hunted? Why does evolution give them this mercy?

evolutionarily it would make more sense for animals to thrash and try to injure their predators so that their kind has an incrementally better chance, why relax? why accept?

>>40916242
>>40916254

I think you're conflating some stuff. Nothing bypasses evolution.

>>40916234
>a bi-way taylor expanse
bro what? fuck off already

> if you're defining paranormal
I am not defining paranormal, I use the universal definition of the oxford dictionary.

> everything suddenly becomes normal, even things like psychic powers or miracles
no. it's a miracle because it can't be explained by reason or humanities current scientific understanding of the world.
same goes for psychic powers

inb4: cia remove viewing!!!
discontinued because unreliable

>>40916242
>I think Grace can give you superhuman dignity against all reason.
what does that mean specifically in practice, make an concrete example of what superhuman dignity against all reason is and what sort of grace is able to grant this superhuman dignity.
also is this just your speculation or do you have any evidence for your claim?

>>40916265
Yeah I was having fun, sorry. I think Grace, Knowledge, Coolness, Cultivation, and many more are paths to enlightenment, basically.

>>40916281
A woman calmly burning herself alive to protest Putler

>>40916281
>science can't explain stuff because I said so
>more arguments from empty authority on an anonymous image board
>rejects the very scientifically founded notion that reality is composed of interactions between taylor expanses

You must be a midwit.

>>40916300
she threw her live away for virtue signaling. wow, where is the dignity and grace in this?

A monk burying himself alive to be mummified. A sad anon giving his best every day even though all seems bleak. That's more powerful than any magic powers.

>>40916300
What you're basically getting at is that grace allows for bodily denial.
For example Its how people access "happy places" and commit feats of exertion that shouldn't otherwise be possible.

>>40916309
now I am actually lowest wit

>rejects the very scientifically founded notion that reality is composed of interactions between taylor expanses
i don't know any of your jargon mumbo jumbo take that shit to /sci/
we are on /x/ paranormal here

>>40916313
>>40916316
You heard me, sicko.

>>40916324
Okay okay... well... name one paranormal thing then!

>>40916316
>>40916316
how is it powerful? It didn't make a difference.
It didn't stop china invading and occupying and annexing tibet, it made no difference in the middle east and it will make no difference in russia, it has no power and never ever improved anyones life it's just suicidal people virtue signaling while doing suicide

>>40916340
Grace makes martyrs. You'll have trouble finding a martyr without grace. The best way to stop a martyr is to make them graceless.

>>40916331
As above so below.
If you manifest a personal state of grace across a period of time, what do you think reality manifests through the law of symmetry?

>>40916340
Also Gandhi won with grace, I think.

>>40916353
>Grace make martyrs
Grace without sufficient wisdom makes martys.
Jesus is one of the exceptions to this rule too.

>>40916356
An antithesis to grace, I suppose, and then we have metaphysical sex and make a synthesis or something. There's a reason there are buddhist hells where demons play with your butthole. It's difficult to be smug and full of grace while being anally raped by monsters.

>>40916353
If grace is only in the mind of the beholder than it is nothing really substantial to talk about in the first place.
fantasy =/= paranormal

also note how you were unable to back up your claim that self immolation has any power
you are basically now trying to vaguely make it about morals
morals=/= paranormal

>>40916383
I was just kind of like kidding because by your definition of paranormal, it's basically impossible for something to be paranormal. That's why you didn't name anything paranormal when you were asked for an example. Name something at all paranormal.

>"Oh wow a man flying"
>But he is flying somehow
>"Oh yeah. I guess he is kinda gay and boring. Never mind."

>>40914997 (OP)
I mean, I've let way more shit slide than I should have. Call it grace or being a doormat it's all about perspective.

I also know that's probably not what OP meant by "grace" but it's how I perceive it. My response also probably means that I don't possess grace but that's okay.

>>40914997 (OP)
Probably not. It's something I've always admired and wanted to be like, though, so maybe someday!

>>40916358
he used:
nonviolent resistance,
strategic mobilization of large scale protests, boycotts and civil disobedience
he tried to gain global attention against the british
he used media and public speeches to expose the injustices

this is just a strategic media campaign and insurgence
non of this effects got anything to do with any grace or only as so far as to have a psychological impact on some audience,
not much more paranormal than sad dog ad's for you to pick up a dog from your local animal shelter
or maybe like martin luther king jr , but non of this involves self immolation or grace or anything paranormal. It's just public campaigns to bring awareness of systemic cruelty an injustice.

>>40916392
nice strawman loser, that is not anything I said and not my opinion, but maybe it helps you sleep at night
>>40916399
go pay more attention to your strawmans and feel smart outwitting them while you ignore what I say gogo

>>40916390
I gave you the standard definition of paranormal after you asked for it you dishonest fuck

>>40916390
yes it is always just a joke after you got called out for your bullshit, fuck off already

>>40916413
Fair. Another criticism I have is that I think humans have overcome the natural world and creates their own order. Possibly humans are born of nature, and still battling for independence but there are things about humans that transcend nature, if nature is chaos. Like Zeus, overthrowing his father, Cronus (Cause and Effect), or Cronus overthrowing his father, Chaos (Not Cause and Effect).

>>40916425
it's not a straw man. Name a paranormal thing. This is the third time I am asking. Name one paranormal thing. You literally don't have an answer you can defend by the criteria you are making me defend the definition, do you? You respond to everything I say but this question. Why?

>>40916425
Name one thing paranormal or just say I don't believe in the paranormal at all. I think aliens are paranormal, and by your definition aliens are not paranormal, for instance. Big foot is not paranormal. Are ghosts even paranormal if there is some explanation for what they are and how they work?

>>40916425
no im literally trying to be fun and talk about cool ideas while you sperg out, genuinely. I could have laid out a flat single sentence to defeat you since the beginning. I just knew you would seethe.

>>40916451
>>40916458
>>40916451
idk what for do you want me to name a paranormal thing. it's completely off topic to ask me for this.

here is something that would be a paranormal thing: a ghostly apparition shows up in the mirror and moves out of the mirror and makes you levitate against your will and then ddissapears into thin air, you fall out of the air, that would be something paranormal
bonus points if it is all caputured on hd video ideally from multiple angles with multple microphones
this would be perfectly paranormal by the standard oxford definition of paranormal and now fuck off

>>40916467
you made a thread about your personal taste in morality and camoulaged it as paranormal, then you called out on it and now you change the subject to some other half baked speculation of yours

you are not that smart pal

>>40916486
Name one thing paranormal, anon. This is the 4th time I'm asking. You gonna answer?

>>40916486
That's not paranormal. The ghost is real and explainable or you hallucinated. There I explained it.

>>40916493
it's in in my last post you gaslighting fraudster
>>40916502
keep strawmanning and ignore the standdard definition. you are not a reasonable conversation partner. i am done here

>>40916510
Then ghosts are real and not paranormal or you hallucinated

>>40916510
i read it after but then ghosts are science

i literally feel like the premise of your definition was so stupid and self-defeating that is basically just translates to "mysterious, for now". That's why I felt it difficult to even take seriously. By your definition the purpose of life is gay and boring and how many licks it takes to get to center of a tootsie pop is paranormal.

Behold, the paranormal!

>>40916525
>>40916521

definition: something that cannot be explained by science or reason and that seems to involve mysterious forces

example: a ghostly apparition shows up in the mirror and moves out of the mirror and makes you levitate against your will and then ddissapears into thin air, you fall out of the air

example cannot be explained by science or reason and it seems to involve mysterious forces (a ghost and it's power to cancel gravity)
therefore it would be paranormal by the standard definition qed

now go simmer in the shame your own dishonesty

>>40916551
the answer is you're crazy or ghosts are real and science. that's the answer.

Thank you for filling me with adrenaline anon. I was really struggling to stay awake and have a lot of work to do.

im sorry if you're still reading, i will try to learn from this engagement to develop grace

>>40914997 (OP)
No, not even poise!

>>40916551
Ghosts are governed by gravity just like everything else.
Theres a reason gravity has a big G...

>>40914997 (OP)
Through constant effort, and endless pain, yes. This universe is not graceful. It is a retard banging rocks together. Every great creation and idea is human sourced. The Gods have not abandoned us, they are simply incompetent.