Thread 40933513

How does one interact with their anima? There should honestly be a Jungian general on this board

>>40933513 (OP)
Your animus is your willpower and your anima is your creative process. It's what gives birth to action.

>>40933513 (OP)

Intellectually stimulating threads? On /x/?!

>>40933513 (OP)
Jungians must perish. Nobody cares about that inner girl of yours.

The only way I can communicate with my animas is aftermath. It is difficult to put into words so I won't and instead I will use water to explain it. If the waves are persistent and calming, then I am in harmony with her. If the waves are crashing and wild, then I messed up and need to slow down to baseline. I will not elaborate.

>>40933513 (OP)
Jungian is like Undertale game overs. When you are dying the last thought in your head will be of someone else who died a long time ago. If you are jungian then every single thought came from a alternate guy who died ages ago

>>40934517
Tough with animas that doesn't have to come with words. You could just see your entire folder of crying anime girls before you die

>>40933594
Why do people post "nobody cares" specially to things they obviously care about
It's obvious npc behavior

I'd like to know how to communicate with her too.

>>40933594
Npcs must perish. Nobody cares about your hylic ramblings.

Now take the jab.

>>40933513 (OP)
I have a regular anima figure that arose spontaneously out of frequent and profound prodding into the imagery of my unconscious.
This began by reading Jung's works on Alchemy and noting the images that naturally arose in my psyche, then making an effort to relate them to the text. There is nothing special in this in particular, but it does begin to build a bridge between conscious perception and the unconscious images. Overtime, and with frequent study, this became a conversation that continued when I wasn't reading, and which flared up specially when I tried to sleep. If you do this, you don't only strengthen the waves of the unconscious, but also the conscious response in regards to it, so that you can maintain a passionate curiosity for them; it won't take long for the anima to take note of this, and for an image that represents your anima well to become a common figure in your imaginings. If you get to this point, it's not difficult to stablish common conversation with them; and supposing you're emotionally developed, to address them with vulnerability and genuine feeling.

Alternative, you can start your own process of active imagination. Here, you should not hold any one famel figure you encounter to be your Anima per se, but rather take them in conjunction to show you aspects of it. Not that this isn't the case in the former approach, but there the conversation has been ongoing for much longer, such that the figure has already stood the test of time.

>>40936094
I feel apprehensive that I may just be projecting my anima as I want her to be, when I practice active imagination like that. I prefer dreamwork more since I have less control, but it also feels like results are less consistent

>>40937255
Continue doing Active Imagination, and above all, be genuine. You feel like you may be projecting her as you want her to be? Tell this to her. Voice your concerns, tell her when you don't believe her, when she feels fake, when you feel uncomfortable, when you think it's all in your head. Jung does all of this in the Red Book, and in my experience it works great.

Bumping hoping for more discussion.

I want to believe this Jungian stuff is true, but it just seems too schizo for me

>>40933513 (OP)
The best way to interact with anything Jung related is to skim a couple chapters or a wikipedia article just enough to get the gist of what he was talking about, then stop reading Jung forever and just sit there smoking weed or some shit trying to feel your way there.
I'm 100% serious, trying to go in depth and chart shit out and "understand" it is retarded. It lifts you away from yourself. You might as well go study midichlorians

Is the anima static or does it evolve over time? Can the anima change?

Ehhh I don't want to derail from the concept of anima's as a whole but uhhh what happens when you're talking to others who are somewhere else through your anima who is actually your truest self on account of being a rather complicated being >///<;

I'll be honest, I haven't read Jung much, that is to say, a couple snippets from podcasts and so on. I only know a few things about him, but whenever I see Jung discussed it just strikes me that either he's talking about more than people realize or his perspective is something that can springboard to something greater.

>>40933513 (OP)
You go into your darkness.

>>40933594
>everything I don't like must perish
Congratulations you are jewish!

>>40940460
It's just a hero's journey anon
>You delve into the abyss/the deep/the underworld/the darkness of one's own mind to "rescue" the princess (your anima) being guarded by a giant dragon (chaos)

>>40943055
It's supposed to change to represent whatever you're repressing or whatever
>>40943281
Please explain more

>>40943960
I'm not sure how so bear with me I'll try
>Deep subconscious unraveling and reintegration
Basically unpacking the closet of your mind which is going to involve spillover into your life (chaos) which then needs to be re-ordered in whatever way you see fit. This organizes your mind, integrates your shadow (anima) and then you can be more balanced and stuff.
It's a long process of breaking down societal expectations, building your own then placing them in the structure of your self, dealing with the chaos that will spawn from doing such things (relationships will shift, stuff will shake around likely).

Horror visual novel Slay The Princess apparently helps
https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1973814/FULLTEXT01.pdf
https://dl.digra.org/index.php/dl/article/download/2501/2494

>>40943991
lmao really?
I loved that game it's one of my favorites.

>>40944005
I have like 20 hours and 71/130 achievements with only the "Nature" ending complete and yeah it's a fucking amazing game, the perfect spiritual successor to Saya no Uta in my opinion.
But it also might have given me minor psychosis because I was always playing it late at night on adderall and weed.

yin and yang but jewish and woke

>>40943991
>>40944046
How exactly does it help
The pages aren't loading on my phone

>>40943991
this game was peak. i got the confusing ending in the first playthough so my "true" princess was the one with 3 faces but i still married her

>>40944046
I mean kind of not a bad way to play something like that, just like, gotta be able to snap back to "reality" here and there and not get too lost in one dive n all that.

For me it was Omori. Really made me think long and hard about my relationship between fantasy and reality and dreams, really messed me up for a time, but came out of it waaay brighter ^///^

>>40944061
>so my "true" princess was the one with 3 faces but i still married her
Hecate?

>>40944054
This is the abstract of the first link; it's a 41 pages white paper that examines the narrative structure and the relationship to Jungian psychoanalysis.
Basically, the game itself is structured such that you can use the game as a stand-in for a relationship - not a therapist! - which you can use for the Jungian process of individuation.
As in, by playing the game you essentially simulate a human relationship with all those toils and troubles that they bring and thus can develop your personality beyond Gamer:tm:.
In other words, it's a "jailbreak" for gaming addiction.

>>40944061
I think I got the good ending on my first playthrough it was the one where you go and say fuck this universe let's make our own

>>40944069
>Omori
Yeah that's another really hard one that stabs you right in the escapism.
I'm pretty sure Undertale/Deltarune is doing something similar, and there's an argument to be made that Homestuck already did something similar as well.
Kind of seems like gaming itself wants gaming to stop happening in computers, but that would kind of be like saying that Gaben himself wants us to stop using Steam and that would be kind of weird, wouldn't it..?

What if I just fuckin socked you

>>40944079
this one

>>40933580
you not seen the high iq chess moves of /ng/

>>40944097
Love Undertale and I've only played the first chapter of Deltarune.
But yeah, I think it comes to how much do you want to game vs doing other things. For me gaming has been a nice portal into the outside world as well as the abstract due to my living constraints. It's helped me figure out what I really love and what I can let go and ultimately makes me hopeful for the future. I think back to when I was less constrained earlier in this life and I still gamed a lot despite going outside more because at the end of the day gaming is still really fun ^///^

Bump

>>40940460
it isn't that schizo most people just dont understand jung so make it seem more schizo then it actually is.

The key thing to understanding jung is he is a kantian who basically thinks external understanding of reality isn't possible so views everything as an examination of our psychological structure.
"Archetypes" including the anima are unconcious functions that are part of our experience of phenomena that we can never fully articulate or make clear but having some bearing on our experience.
It's totally psychological/phenomenological, jung was really explicit about being an "empiricist" and wanted to come off as a scientist so he basically never said anything that wasn't about this internal psychological kantian view here the external world is unknowable.

All the weird esoteric stuff for jung like alchemy is just Jung saying "these things represent relations of different aspects of the psyche" the key thing to understand jung is he does not thing it's reasonable to say anything about external reality. It's simply not a consideration for him.

Popular jungian stuff entirely misses this, probably because people lack the background in phenomenology/kant but he does not ever get past that. (see most of the posts in this thread, they basically have nothing to do with jung)

For him any actual description of what things are or the external world are impossible, all we can do is describe the psyche and how it responds to experience.

Archetypes are just a part of this psyche that it uses to understand reality that we can't clearly understand/articulate.

The anima isn't a thing, our psyche has a part of it we can call the anima that seems to come up in our experience of things and understanding that and integrating it is a part of individuation. It's not a person, it's not a thing, it's not separate from you.

>>40945200
>psychological/phenomenological
A "phenomenon" is an aggregate of stimuli. As in, "phenomenology" is "how we perceive the world". This, in turn, means that Jungian psychoanalysis applied as a subjective framework to interpret reality will lead to paranormal experiences, because the practitioner aligns their internal psychosocial complexes with their perception of external reality. That's why it's paranormal, it will give you delusions if you don't know what you're doing, and no one who is actually trained in this and formally recognized as someone who knows what they are doing will not do it on their own.
That's exactly why Slay The Princess is such a powerful and dangerous tool if you really lean into it, because it forcefully entrains you with narrative trajectories that are carefully designed to lead to confrontations and resolutions between archetypal psychosocial complexes.
In short, it's fully automated psychoanalysis for gamers, which means you actually have to feel the the dialogue. It's a de-spergification algorithm.
Unfortunately this algorithm requires the player to have empathy with cartoon drawings, so it only works on those who are already susceptible to waifuism

>>40944080
>>40943991
Wait so should I play this "blind" and whichever result I get is closest to my anima? Am I reading that right?

>>40945200
>For him any actual description of what things are or the external world are impossible, all we can do is describe the psyche and how it responds to experience.
Why did I hear Jung say in a interview "I can't say I believe, either I know a thing or I don't know it"

The animas I create become too powerful

>>40945894
Basically, yes. Your first complete blind playthrough will definitely teach you something about yourself.

>>40946310
Alright, thanks. Thank god I know next to nothing about it.

>>40943991
where can I play this? I don't need to torrent it do I