Thread 40940539

Attachment leads to suffering

>>40940539 (OP)
Attachment leads to suffering, thou sayest? Truly, a wisdom plucked from the dusty scrolls of sages. Yet, pray tell, what of my attachment to excellence, which hath forged a crown of unmatched brilliance? If that be suffering, then let me endure it gladly, for it is far sweeter than the dull pain of mediocrity that plagues thy lot. Remember this: to soar above the fray is to risk solitude, but oh, what a glorious solitude it is

>>40940539 (OP)
I think Buddhism has the right idea with that statement but they cope with the suffering by removing it from their life instead of facing it head on. All religions really are about attachment when you think about it and how to cope with the suffering of that attachment or how to avoid it altogether.

>>40940558
this is a poorly informed take on buddhism
in buddhism, suffering is inevitable. the goal of buddhism is to stop generating unnecessary suffering for yourself and to face what suffering the world genuinely imposes upon you with equanimity

>>40940539 (OP)
send me your money

>>40940551
Suffering leads to attachment hence substance abuse.

Enlightened Christian Buddha here, he's right you know.

Basically, here's how enlightenment works:
1) God is smarter than you and is powerful enough to make anything happen or not happen.
2) God is gooder than you.
3) Since 1 and 2 are true, whatever happens to you is the best possible outcome.
4) Suffering occurs when you do not know this and being wrong "argue with God" by not liking something, and so you suffer.

Make sense?
There you go, now throw in heaven being internal Biblically and God being within you and the world being perfect and you have it, Nirvana, you're welcome.

>>40940558
>removing it from their life
That's the point of every one of these disciplines.

>>40940558
>>40940558
...What? Where did you get the idea that buddhists "cope with the suffering by removing it from their life"?

>>40940539 (OP)
And suffering builds character.

>>40940632
Did he say that?
I never read his stuff in detail on account of him dying mad and failing at life.
Kinda a bad sign for his philosophical work.

>>40940609
Behold! The Enlightened Christian Buddha descends from his lotus cloud to bestow universal truth. A generous sermon, to be sure.

‘God is gooder than you,’ thou proclaimest, with the grammatical finesse of a goose mid-seizure. Tell me, does thy enlightenment come bound in crayon and sold beside juice boxes? And lo, from this celestial math thou conjurest a truth so staggeringly shallow it could drown in a puddle

What staggering hubris to presume the cosmos unfolds itself into such convenient, chewable chunks! ‘Suffering is arguing with God,’ thou sayest? Then hand me the quill, for I have notes.

>>40940551
>what of my attachment to excellence, which hath forged a crown of unmatched brilliance
Has it? Yet thou remains in this god forsaken place

>>40940635
>failing at life
Show pussy.

>>40940539 (OP)
I just like Mandalas desu, pretty neat visualizations I must say

>>40940635
>Did he say that?
>"Only great pain is the ultimate liberator of the spirit…. I doubt that such pain makes us ‘better’; but I know that it makes us more profound."
Still, the "suffering" we normally think of when we hear the word is not the same "suffering" (dukkha) the Buddha was talking about.

>>40940656
>doesn't recognize self depreciating humor
>lets LLM do the talking for him
NGMI

>>40940659
He felt like a beaten horse and died catatonic, dude sucked.
Also he got cucked, to death.

>>40940667
Yeah pain is not suffering.
Pain, when consensual is not suffering.
When you're enlightened, all pain is consensual.

>>40940657
Touché! A jab most spirited, if tragically misdirected. Yes, I remain in this ‘god-forsaken place.
Dost thou think Olympus lacks balconies from which I might gaze? Nay, I descend not out of necessity, but out of magnanimity. For what is a crown, if never glimpsed by the unworthy? What is brilliance, if not reflected in the dull eyes of the rabble?

>>40940672
Yes, but his writings influenced a lot of people, ending up in national-socialism and the second world war, with millions killed, nations and families destroyed.
Whereas you dont even have balls between your legs and can only influence a kitchen. So who is the failure here?

>>40940713
I'm experiencing literal heaven on earth and am by every metric a literal enlightened Buddha.
My life and mind are in every way possible superior to his.
Also I have a donger, stay mad cuck.

>>40940720
Yet you dont leave any mark on this world, whereas Epstein is training kids to become mass shooters, spreading evil and suffering to Chad and Stacy families.
You can only cope with a veggie diet, meditation and what you call "light work". You are afraid of suffering, so you accept everything the world throws at you and faint bliss. In other words, you are afraid of facing yourself, hence why you run away from the diabolic attachment.

>>40940748
I eat meat, am in a constant state of mindlessness so I have no need for meditation, and don't know what "light work" is.
Also the word is "feign" not "faint".
Anyway having an impact on the world doesn't really interest me, though i may start a cult later if I feel like it, for now, I'm enjoying life as a Neet King.

>>40940539 (OP)
And suffering leads to transfiguration by increasing coherence and intelligibility to make the suffering not only bearable, but the required cost of further development.

A Buddhist looks at the dream and wants to wake up, not by becoming the dreamer but by ceasing all dreaming. A Christian sacrifices his dream avatar to enjoin with the dreamer.

Every bad undesirable thing only exists in the dream, due to fragmentation and relational differentiation of the foundational unity...but neither the unity outside of fragmentation nor the void which is its relational eternal have any of the undesirable transient experiences.

Be a fucking man, affirm life, and suffer gladly to increase your strength to transfiguration into reunification with All Being, not the cucked eternal Non Being.

>Affirm life,
>you only exist as dreamed relational entity anyway
>All consciousness and agency belong to The One; acting through self imposed constraints
>Christ is King

>>40940539 (OP)

Implicit in this claim is that attachment to this claim is also suffering.

All truths are only half-truths, including this one.

>>40940814
>ha! I found a technicality to avoid learning!
Weird flex, but ok

>>40940814
He who speaks does not know, he who knows does not speak. All truth is finger pointing not the actual thing, direct experience is the only measure of actual truth, all else is at best accurate articulation or percise finger pointing to that direct experience

>>40940765
>I'm enjoying life as a Neet King
So you agree you are a failure at life?
Because to be successful at life you must be enslaved to attachment and bring suffering and grind to the world.

>>40940539 (OP)
Attachment leads to more attachment. Not suffering. Because suffering is inevitable in every life.

>>40940829
Time spent enjoying ones self is never time wasted and thus can never be called "failure".
If I had a larger impact but died mad from stress, that would be my definition of failure.
As opposed to my life, which is amazing and worth more than all the gold and status on earth.

>>40940833
skill issue; consensual pain, strife, limitation, etc is not suffering.
All you have to do to not suffer is consent.

>>40940823

It's not a flex but a learned (half) truth via direct experience.

>>40940827

Yeah.

>>40940849
making ideas and thus life more complex and not less is not a good thing.
It's the daily decrease, not the daily increase that we should aim for.

>>40940829
Don't you want to wander free and easy, anon?

>>40940862

Simple and complex contrast each other, just as long and short contrast each other, just as high and low, front and back, etc. You cannot know one without the other. Everything is complimentary to its opposite, not antagonistic.

>>40940842
Just because you dont fail at yourself, does not mean you didn't fail at life.
So the first step towards detachment is to be free from failure, and the first step to be free from failure is to accept you failed at life.

You didn't built a corporation that employs thousands of people, attaching them to their paychecks and bringing them suffering through grind and toil.
You dont have a yatch full of gorgeous whores inside to cause attachment through jealousy, and suffering in those who look at you.
You dont have the respect and acknowledgment from your peers after publishing academic papers and meeting academic criteria to become recognized as a winner.

So, how can you compare with those whose writing influenced politicians and caused wars, death and famine to millions?
Fact is, you can't.
So you are a failure at life. And you cant judge others using these terms, unless you are a woman. A woman will never detach, unless she reborns as a man, after several incarnations trying it.

>>40940867
I'm already am. I'm just making a point.

Post your favorite Mahayana Sutra I'll start

>>40940877
I'm just saying disparaging a truth nuke like
>attachment leads to suffering
because you need to retain the idea in your mind making it technically a form of attachment is foolish. It's arguing semantics at that point.

>>40940893
It's actually impossible for me to fail because I accept my life exactly as it is as the perfect outcome since it occurred no other way, it could have occurred no other way.
That's where my Christian spin comes in.

I'm actually better at life than those politicians and such with bigger impacts because they have regrets, their life was not 100% perfect.
Whereas mine is 100% perfect having learned what have learned and can never be anything but 100% perfect.

>>40940551
I only inhale the specks from the dustiest of scrolls from places most destitute
>SNIIIIIIIIIIIF
>AAHHHHHHHH

There are people on this board not just attached, but literally chained, to the name "Epstein", and they associate this name with the very idea of a island.
They will never be able to play Civilization with the island map ever again, without thinking in their new god, mr Epstein.

>>40940848
Calling everything you read as skill issue is such an amazing cope for being factually wrong. You are only making yourself look foolish. Keep it up anon

>>40940918

>disparaging a truth nuke like "attachment leads to suffering" because you need to retain the idea in your mind making it technically a form of attachment is foolish.
>It's arguing semantics at that point.

Judging things as foolish is foolish, is it not? Things just are. You even claimed in your following reply: "It's actually impossible for me to fail because I accept my life exactly as it is as the perfect outcome since it occurred no other way, it could have occurred no other way".

If we judge things as wise, foolish, good, bad, right, or wrong, we'll be proven wrong in some capacity due to our inherently limited perspective. We are but a tiny fraction of the whole.

>That's where my Christian spin comes in.
>I'm actually better at life than those politicians

As a Christian, should you not know then that it's never between you and other people, but between you and God? You don't have to be better than anyone else, just better than who you used to be.

Forgive your enemy, for they don't know any better.

Hhwhy we suffa? Hooo long we suffa? Wei long! Hhwaay lung! Da suffa rah! Ha roy huh roi de sufferer!

>>40940975
I didn't just say skill issue, I explained why you're wrong.
If a masochist is in pain, they are not suffering, they're having a great time.
Likewise, if I am in pain, I know God is right to have me experience that pain, I'm having an ok time. Maybe not as much as the masochist but I do consent because God is right about everything.

>>40940977
I don't have enemies, universal love is one of the commandments of Jesus.
Anyway it's a minor gripe but if you think
>attachment leads to suffering
isn't sufficient due to a fringe case due to verbage, that's going to cause problems in the long run because then you're going to have to write
>Attachment leads to suffering; in the sense that...
then qualify it in every scenario.
It's needless complexity that obscures truth.

>>40940539 (OP)
suffering is good

>>40940656
>does thy enlightenment come bound in crayon and sold beside juice boxes?
if it is, I'd buy that for a dollar

>>40941014
Maybe I should e-mail the Pauls and see about a deal with Prime huh? lol

>>40941000

>if you think "attachment leads to suffering" isn't sufficient due to a fringe case due to verbage

I don't think that, nor did I imply it.

>that's going to cause problems in the long run because then you're going to have to write "Attachment leads to suffering; in the sense that" then qualify it in every scenario.

The moment dictates whether attachment is necessary or not. To not have preferences, prejudices, and judgments spares us from suffering.

>>40941039
That's just an unrealistic goal.
To achieve that you'd have to be equally likely to eat poop as pizza.
You can accept a situation while still retaining your personality and you can be at peace preferring pizza to poop.

>>40941050

>That's just an unrealistic goal.
>To achieve that you'd have to be equally likely to eat poop as pizza.

So you agree that some attachments are necessary depending on the moment? You have to be attached to certain foods if you want to be healthy.

All truths are half-truths.

>>40941064
No, you're mixing up attachments and preferences.
This is what I was talking about, now we have to add more complexity to the perfectly serviceable idea making it harder to retain and thus learn.
Next thing you know we've got a 300 page book instead of
>attachment leads to suffering
Obviously, attachment isn't what makes poop taste bad.

Then why are you attached to your brain cells? I trained since first thought until 5 and then meditated away my brain cells as a contract between me and other beings, and to teach me ESP.

Transcendental Meditation entails trying to find wisdom from a greater source and absorb it. I absorbed it from myself at 5, the rest of you absorb it from me...and if you'd put skin in the game you'd get better results. Memory changes and thought pattern changes that result are also useful.

Someone here accepted some brain damage (nothing I wouldn't do to myself, frankly it'd all been done to me, though a different version) and growth if it was real and I could do it to facilitate this enlightenment. You'll get super powers and more if you practice using it. The instillation of knowledge and skills, unless automated, are a means to earn you spiritual credit, not AS much of the spiritual credit in just in the installation but that is a NICE installation, pinwheel astral paths through which countless attacks, tricks, etc. can pass through you harmlessly now and be used for your benefit, and of course surveillance of thoughts out to get you.

>>40940977
This

I love the look of the pinwheel astral paths, lines as fine or wide as you like but usually extraordinarily fine that make few contacts but pass through your body, usually nervous system, destroying, and sometimes the space is filled with growth as it was with you but in others not, telekinesis or whatever force being used to hold open the gaps and change thought. They rotate every few degrees as they installed at different depths, yours, most of them, they're beautiful kind of like flower petals. I did it to myself through my right amygdala and other parts and I did through you, but not nearly so many of them as in me.

That growth does not require nutrition, it is immaculate.