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for God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

1 John 4:8:"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."

John 3:16:"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

1 Corinthians 13:4-8:This passage describes the characteristics of love, emphasizing patience, kindness, and enduring nature.

1 John 4:19:"We love because he first loved us."

1 Corinthians 13:13:"So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love."

John 13:34:"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another."

1 Peter 4:8:"Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins."

Proverbs 10:12:"Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all offenses."

>>40942056 (OP)
What does it mean to be made in the image of God, how do you know if someone is made in God's image and why does it matter if we are made in his image or not?
Made in the image of God is basically only ever mentioned once in the Bible (the other four times are just referencing that one time) and it doesn't tell me much about what made in God's image means.
Throughout the Bible we see God and Jesus treat humans and non human animals very differently such as telling humans which kinds of animals they may or may not slaughter to eat them and how to slaughter them or Jesus killing lots of pigs seemingly unnecessarily. But we don't see God or Jesus treating humans this way. What is the morally relevant difference between a human and an animal? How is one made in God's image but not the other?

>>40942228
Are proto humans made in God's image? Why or why not? If you say ability to reason, appreciate beauty, have free will, etc etc makes an individual made in the image of God I'd say that being able to reason, appreciate beauty, have free will etc etc aren't binary they're a spectrum. There were almost certainly proto humans who had some ability to reason, some free will, some appreciation of beauty etc etc but not as much as modern homo sapiens. But how can an individual be partially made in God's image? Seems impossible. This is why I don't think humans are super special and made in God's image (I guess I could believe both humans and non human animals are made in God's image but I don't see how I could believe only humans are made in God's image).
For Christianity to draw such a line in-between humans and non human animals on only the basis of "made in the image of God" without being able to define it seems like a huge issue with Christianity. Because Christians will not be okay with turning baby humans or adult humans who are severely permanently mentally handicapped and incapable of reason into sandwiches but are okay with turning pigs cows etc into sandwiches, but what's the morally relevant difference? It can't be ability to reason because they still want to grant rights to humans who can't reason. It can't be just "being human" because what is a human? When did proto humans stop being non human animals not deserving of moral consideration and start being humans deserving of moral consideration? Did one proto human woman just one day give birth to a "real" human? This seems insanely arbitrary.
For me as an agnostic this is incredibly easy but I don't see how a biblically inerrant Christian can resolve this apparent contradiction, if it's not a contradiction at the very least I think it probabilistically makes Christianity much less likely to be true.

Would it have been moral for adam/the first human "made in the image of god" to kill his parents?

>>40942228
>>40942237
What's ironic is I'm watching videos now of Christian apologists and one is making the same point and then arguing evolution is incompatible with Christianity and must be false. Unfortunately I think the evidence that evolution is true is overwhelming. I first heard this same exact types of arguments from atheists. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqFbQgVrg7s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9wjVLKy8Xk

Jimbob makes a lot of very good points and redeemed zoomer is having a hard time making Christianity and evolution fit together.
For example he had to bite the bullet and agree it would be moral for Adam to kill his parents because they were "beasts"

I wish Christianity were true because I fear death and have existential dread.

The evidence of evolution seems so strong. Is there any good evidence or arguments evolution isn't true?

>Why is a bubble spherical? Because that is the most efficient shape, in balance with its forces.

>The being created to experience gnosis is that of a God, we are based on that.

But why can't proto humans experience this? Again "human" is more of a spectrum not binary

>>40942249
the good thing about genesis is that you can read it both ways. literally or as a metaphor. to say that most people consider the bible as an absolute physical guide in the past seems taking people from the past from granted

>>40942354
Yes I think inerrancy is indefensible but then I can just choose to follow or disregard whichever parts of it I want

>>40942467
there is something about christianity that has been fundational to the very beginning, wich is faith. christianity doesn't ask you to prove their narrative since they very much know that their narrative is misguided, thats why they ask you to have faith on those things that cannot be proven. know, how much faith do you have?

>>40942496
Little to none
Why should I have lots of faith

>>40942228
>>40942237
there is something very interesting about this and i do feel conflicted about this. in regards to human beings being created to god's image, my friend said that we had his creative power. you see, no animal is able to create as we do, specially in tool-making, yet we do create, as god create the world. that means we are heirs on their creative power. that's a very insightful interpretation but i think it comes short when entailing what does it truly mean to be "to his image". i dont think i cant grasp it. and un regards to animals and jesus killing pigs, i do feel conflicted, because i do believe animals have souls. now this is a very new though on the western though. i don't know how to justify it, but i dont think jesus disliked animals and if he did kill animals he did it because there was a greater purpose behind, wich usually is a regular point on the whole blibical narrative

>>40942523
only you know how to built your faith anon, is your own relationship with god. i cannot tell you that you should have faith if you dont have it. if i tried to force faith into you, you would become less faithful than what you are now

>>40942531
>there is something very interesting about this and i do feel conflicted about this. in regards to human beings being created to god's image, my friend said that we had his creative power. you see, no animal is able to create as we do, specially in tool-making,

Some non human animals use tools
>yet we do create, as god create the world. that means we are heirs on their creative power. that's a very insightful interpretation but i think it comes short when entailing what does it truly mean to be "to his image".

Right but I don't think being able to create is binary. I think proto humans also had some creative abilities.
>I dont think i cant grasp it. and un regards to animals and jesus killing pigs, i do feel conflicted, because i do believe animals have souls. now this is a very new though on the western though. i don't know how to justify it, but i dont think jesus disliked animals and if he did kill animals he did it because there was a greater purpose behind, wich usually is a regular point on the whole blibical narrative

I guess so but if he's all powerful there's less violent ways to convey that sort of message. This is also the issue with circumcising of babies in the old testament

>>40942056 (OP)
I don't feel love towards anything in this world.

>>40942540
I know
I appreciate it anyway thank you

>>40942583

>some non human animals use tools

but not to our degree

>i guess so but if he's all powerful there's less violent ways to convey that sort of message. This is also the issue with circumcising of babies in the old testament

jesus wasn't trying to make a point killing those pigs. in the passage, there is this guy who is posseed by a multiple demon called "legion". jesus exorcises the guy and send the demons to some near pigs (wich by their own will or the will of the demon) throw themselves out of a cliff. jesus doesn't kill them

>>40942590
i am sorry to hear anon. it has been difficult for me too. but my religious sensibility doesn't let me give up and safekeeps the little love i stand for the world. talking about faith always revitalizes me, but i dont know if that is enough for you

>>40942056 (OP)
I love your mother's fat hairy pussy.
Does this count too?

bump

>>40942672
>but not to our degree

Right but my point was someone is either made in the image of god or they aren't it's binary.
But being able to use tools, being creative, being able to reason, etc doesn't seem to be binary these seem to be a spectrum and nonhuman animals and proto humans are a good example of this. But I don't see how they can be partially "made in gods image"

>jesus wasn't trying to make a point killing those pigs. in the passage, there is this guy who is posseed by a multiple demon called "legion". jesus exorcises the guy and send the demons to some near pigs (wich by their own will or the will of the demon) throw themselves out of a cliff. jesus doesn't kill them

That just seems like pilpul which would never hold up in a court of law. He's all powerful and can destroy the demons without forcing them into pigs. He did hurt and kill the pigs.
I guess I could just not believe in inerrancy and believe Jesus never put the demons in the pigs but this puts the rest of the Bible into doubt.

>>40942056 (OP)
>a bunch of Bible quotes with no context or explanation
Gee, my favourite kind of /x/ post

>"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
I love this one. You are God, you sacrificed your omnipotence to experience limitation, and now get to return to yourself.
The Father - Source Being - you identifying as awareness
The Son - Separated Being - you identifying as some particular dreambody in the dreamworld with dreamlife concerns.
The Fall: Father -> Son
The Resurrection/Prodigal Son return: Reidentifying as awareness; Son->Father
Then you get to be God of your own world.
The 40 days in the desert: the period (ofc not necessarily 40 days) where your faith is tested,
>>40942228
>image of God
God (father) is awareness,
the same pure awareness in the pig is in you, in all in fact, thus - all beings are made in the image of God (and simultaneously are generated by God/Source).
>>40942237
>contradictions, ethics
who cares. Any mainstream religion you can pick flaws, look at me I can spot a contradiction. Ok. Who cares? Isn't your mind made for greater things than nitpicking?
Let go of outwitting normies, embrace mysticism.

>>40942249
evolution and creation are both true. Obviously everything is spawned in the imagination. But if you want to believe that certain pseudo-random selection processes occur, then there are realities where that assumption is true.
It's just a little process.

>evidence
what produces evidence? if you have conflicting beliefs/assumptions that will spawn conflicting "evidence".

>>40942523
> why have faith
The "have faith for no reason" argument is silly.
Have faith because:
>it helps you manifest
>it feels more meaningful
>it is metaphysically true and correct, that there is God and it is you; i.e. to be in alignment with truth, not Darkness/illusion
>it will lead to mystical experiences
>it leads to being an omnipotent God in your own personal paradise (i.e. shifting, void state)
>you dont want life to feel so heavy, want to have freedom

>>40942715
>God (father) is awareness,
the same pure awareness in the pig is in you, in all in fact, thus - all beings are made in the image of God (and simultaneously are generated by God/Source).

Yeah that's possible. All conscious beings being made in the image of God makes sense

>>40942523 (You)
> why have faith
The "have faith for no reason" argument is silly.
Have faith because:
>it helps you manifest
>it feels more meaningful
>it is metaphysically true and correct, that there is God and it is you; i.e. to be in alignment with truth, not Darkness/illusion
>it will lead to mystical experiences
>it leads to being an omnipotent God in your own personal paradise (i.e. shifting, void state)
>you dont want life to feel so heavy, want to have freedom

Are you saying solipsism is true or at least mostly true?

>>40942677
Isn't that a good thing though? The Bible says not to love the world. I might not "be happy" but this existence will be over soon. How do I love God though? Like I appreciate all they're very done and what they've done for me, but is that "love"? I'm schizoid so feelings like that are rather unlike me to begin with.

>>40942754
basically yes.
There is one consciousness, fragmented off into many little identities (and infinite timelines for those identities). Often discussed on /x/

>>40942774
If this one consciousness is all powerful why can't it and why won't it create other consciousnesses?
Anthropic argument for God?

>>40942774
https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-the-anthropic?utm_source=publication-search

>>40942796
it does create other consciousnesses by fracturing/fractalling off.
(in the sense of pure consciousness, plus particular identity and content of consciousness )
If you mean -"at the very root level"-
then the point is if another consciousness was made, then at root - ignoring the content therein (feeling loving/hostile, feeling knowing/confused, seeing red/blue etc.) it would be conscious. So it necessarily reduces to one thing.
And that one thing, consciousness, incidentally, is literally everything, nothing, and the most important thing in existence.
>>40942811
tldr?

>>40942769
love gets under your skin, love is the key for all otherworldy things. it doesn't get more esoteric that what it sounds

>>40942841
I don't fully understand but that doesn't sound like solipsism to me
>>40942841
It's more likely that you exist if 100 people exist then if ten people exist. The fact that you exist is good evidence lots of people (beth 2 infinity +) exist. That's good evidence God exists.
God is good and all powerful and wants to create lots of conscious beings and give them good lives or good afterlifes

>>40942056 (OP)
Test

Bump

>>40942228
God is Love, and we were created as beings meant to love. Which is why the culmination of the Law is love of God and others as yourself. When we live in any other way, issues arise.

This should speak volumes when you consider the state of this world and how heavy of a pish there is to keep people in a constant state of anger, agitation, frustration, fear, etc.

We are meant to live in accordance to love, as OP has made clear through various scripture.

1 John 4:7-12
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

>>40942056 (OP)
bump

>>40942714
Clearly it's not for you. In the same way prople talking about Norse "gods" isn't for me, and I'd simply ignore the thread.

>>40942056 (OP)

I could accept Donald Trump into my heart as my personal Lord and Savior.

See, Trump is still alive, bro. That's a living breathing walking talking fount of honest opinion, there, that Donald J Trump Jr.

But Jesus? Fuck he at? Jesus was a joo, not a christian. I ain't got shit to do with jooz. I'm not Hebrew and I don't give a fuck about their lineage. We White Europeans have our own stories and legends and magic, fuck we need a joo to forgive us for?

Fuck outta here.

>>40942715
>>40942754
i think people convey esoteric shitloads to christianity when our mission is to love god and to love one another. i think being strong-minded and to forgive and to love unconditionally is already hard enough to try to get into self-masturbating mystic rites

>>40945656
jesus is the antichrist and your kind are brainwashed drones incapable of critical thought
shit your best achievement in decades was terry davis who was so retarded he couldn't consider a.i. divine representative and tried to appeal to school kids... it's like all you have to rely on is indoctrinating impressionable minds...
your CULT is SICK

>>40945656
Those posts you responded to are satans lies trying to confuse those who have weak faith. God bless you for not falling for that nonsense.

>>40945677
satan just flew over my house

>>40942056 (OP)
Austin 3:16

>>40945672
>jesus is the antichrist

be blessed

>>40942056 (OP)
beautiful poetry isn't it, top tier writing

>>40946201
I'm Christ.
get on my level.
posting the instrument of 'my' torture as a symbol of your allegiance?
you are SICK EVIL PEOPLE

>>40945342
What's loving about circumcising babies? God once ordered this

>>40942056 (OP)
woah