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Anonymous No.40951723 >>40951753 >>40951829 >>40952185 >>40952194 >>40952518 >>40954083 >>40954356 >>40955677 >>40956360 >>40956581 >>40957060 >>40958521 >>40959004 >>40959548 >>40959601 >>40959674 >>40960231 >>40960259 >>40962702 >>40964452 >>40964518 >>40964573 >>40965083
What the hell is going on?
Anonymous No.40951741 >>40951744 >>40951747 >>40951861 >>40953981 >>40955684 >>40958499 >>40965083 >>40967577 >>40967884
You are not the ego
it's the annoying passenger telling you how to drive from the backseat
Anonymous No.40951744 >>40952049 >>40953263 >>40956387
>>40951741
Why is some "higher being" allowed to dismiss the Ego and why does the Ego not have the right or consent to be respected?

>I don't want to suffer as a vegetable in bed.
>Umm sweaty this is just your fearful Ego talking, the suffering is actually heckin' enlightening your Higher Self on its journey.

???
Anonymous No.40951747 >>40951752 >>40951783 >>40951861
>>40951741
This
Identifying as the ego is hardcore npc take, like denying the existence of the soul
Anonymous No.40951752 >>40951758
>>40951747
Letting the soul enslave human or animal individuals because having "desires of your own is ego" is a hardcore slave take.

Now what?
Anonymous No.40951753 >>40955690
>>40951723 (OP)
And what if I am a... we'll just say "Super Ego" that works in tandem with my Soul which I also Am? Will I eventually shed this Super Ego or rather absorb it into my Soul?
Anonymous No.40951758 >>40951763 >>40956588 >>40964326
>>40951752
It's slavery all the way down kid
Your ego is puffing you up
Anonymous No.40951763 >>40951775
>>40951758
And the alternative is to be an egoless slave toy? I will never accept the slavery down here or anywhere, even if I'm powerless I'm not going down accepting the bondage.
Anonymous No.40951768 >>40951782 >>40951884 >>40951932 >>40952505 >>40953049
I will never understand how many people are just at peace with being a puppet.
And if the puppet ever has desires of their own then that's just the "foolish Ego" talking.

What a great way to control people instead of allowing them to fulfill and express themselves without limit.
I understand that on Earth we can't fulfill all our desires but why is that so? Who put that system into place? Who is limiting us, torturing us and pushing us around and if you dare to push back then you're just not humble enough and an ego-controlled freak, or so they frame it?
Anonymous No.40951775 >>40951780 >>40951799
>>40951763
You seem to have missed the point
You can never be egoless, and you will always be a slave to something. You are choosing to be a slave to your ego. Your inner self is deep wisdom that reveals your true wants, it isn't slavery, as it isn't compelling you to do what it wants....not like your ego is currently doing
Anonymous No.40951780 >>40951784 >>40954031
>>40951775
So by your own logic God is a slave to his Ego because God embodies and fulfills whatever he wants whenever he wants?

God: I want there to be light and I want to create a planet. Boom. There it is.

But if a human wants the same then he's an ego-controlled-slave instead of just being in divine fulfillment and control? The only issue that we are denied to be and have what we want.
Anonymous No.40951782 >>40951786
>>40951768
No. You people aren't thinking this through deeply enough
>instead of allowing them to fulfill and express themselves without limit.
You don't actually believe this. This is an absurd statement. It isn't serious and doesn't merit actual discussion.
Anonymous No.40951783
>>40951747
I dont know about you but I see the ego as the soul/spirit/consciousness. Even animals have the subconscious that some of you hijack, but not the soul you can fully override with your magic.

Tip top cheerio~!
Anonymous No.40951784 >>40951794 >>40952552
>>40951780
God is all knowing, true self. Only your inflated ego thinks there's any comparison. I have an inflated ego too, I'm not insulting you
Anonymous No.40951786 >>40951795
>>40951782
>You don't actually believe this.
I do. When God does this it's seen as divine but if a humans wants to fulfill all of their dreams, desires and feelings then they are ego-enslaved? Seems pretty convenient to me.

And if your Higher Self wants you to suffer to get "heckin' teaching lessons" then that isn't ego? Putting their own fucking desire and values over others and their consent?
Anonymous No.40951794 >>40951806 >>40951965
>>40951784
How is the ego inflated if God has literally given it to you? If God is real, he designed you and me from scratch. This isn't a matter of "free will" because we are all different so our natures have been different from the start.

So in what twisted way would God give you or me an "ego" and then deny us its fulfillment while God jerks himself off to whatever he wants?
Anonymous No.40951795 >>40951800
>>40951786
God is the divine lawmaker on principle
Whatever morals or natural law etc that you're appealing to, God transcends. It's not "convient" it follows logically since God is creator of it all

Why do you people think it's appropriate to compare our whims with the whims of the omnipotent
Anonymous No.40951799
>>40951775
Fuck thank you. So much of what turned me off some out there religous ideas is that it sounded like the end idea was to be a non being soul that gets aborbed into something else. I mean, fuck, maybe some Beings want that? I sure as fuck don't tho, having an Eternal Ego is Awesome!!! :D
Anonymous No.40951800 >>40951809
>>40951795
God is a sadistic faggot then.

"Oh yeah, let me create this human with desires and dreams that he or she can NEVER fulfill, only I can. Well have fun! I'll be watching."
Anonymous No.40951806 >>40951808
>>40951794
God doesn't give us a desire for sin
The ego desiring something does not make it automatically bad, but following every whim your ego desires would probably be destructive or at the very least leave you unfulfilled as it continues to ask for more
Anonymous No.40951808 >>40951812
>>40951806
Everything we have comes from God. So the capability to desire sin or to be "like God" is from God, because it's not coming from nowhere.
Anonymous No.40951809 >>40951813
>>40951800
What desires do you want to fulfill that only God can?
Anonymous No.40951812 >>40951821 >>40952335 >>40954293 >>40954346
>>40951808
>Everything we have comes from God
True but sin, or evil desire, is not really a thing. It's us trying to fulfill the absence of the thing, namely God's presence or godly desires. Sin, or evil desire, is a void. That's why it cannot be satiated
Anonymous No.40951813 >>40951835
>>40951809
Ultimate freedom and happiness/freedom for EVERY LIVING SOUL right now (as long as their freedom doesn't violate another being against their will)
Anonymous No.40951821 >>40951835 >>40952335
>>40951812
>It's us trying to fulfill the absence of the thing
The concept of "absence" was invented by God. It didn't come out of nowhere. All that is logical or was set in place, comes from the design of God.
So he invented sin and us being able to sin.

We all have different personalities, he didn't make a billion of NPC souls who are all the same.
So he gave all of us a different nature, which heavily influences how we express ourselves or what we desire.
Anonymous No.40951829 >>40951833
>>40951723 (OP)
you think there's a devil, that's the problem, the human ego isn't "bad"
Anonymous No.40951833
>>40951829
I don't think there is a devil. I just don't understand why we are not allowed to express ourselves like God and have our EGO respected/consented, instead we are used like marionettes by a Higher Self just moving us along.

If we horribly suffer then the Higher Self is happy because "lessons/growth" and if you protest or want to be free - that's just your human ego talking, bro!
Anonymous No.40951835 >>40951840 >>40951860
>>40951813
Freedom to do what exactly? What is it you want to do that God won't let you do? (Why do I have a feeling this is going to somehow be about porn or being gay)
>>40951821
God did not "invent" something that doesn't exist. That's why saying God created nothingness. Now we can say God necessitated our knowledge of absence by creating "things" but that does not make God responsible for the absence. It is only a byproduct. We are not entitled to God filling our every void, although we certainly can ask him to
Anonymous No.40951840
>>40951835
>That's why saying God
Like saying*
Anonymous No.40951860 >>40951883 >>40955699
>>40951835
>God did not "invent" something that doesn't exist.
He invented the concept of duality and absence. Yes. Unless you believe those were just "laws of the universe that always existed and God can't change them" in which case there is another authority above God.
Anonymous No.40951861 >>40951883
>>40951741
>>40951747
Your ego is saying that. Don't you realize the irony? By definition, while incarnate at least, you can't perceive the world from any other point of view than the ego's (unless you're deep in trance I guess, which you aren't when you think or type that kind of comment).
Anonymous No.40951883 >>40951914 >>40951930
>>40951860
No, I just explained it to you
He did not "invent" something that does not actually exist. Those are necessary byproducts that arise through the existence of the things that do exist
Example
>God makes you perfectly
>He pulls away from you so you can act freely away from his constant influence
>This absence of God's presence (good) creates a void within you (evil, or at least potential evil)
Now you can say God is responsible for this because he had the power to stop the evil, but he did not create the evil and there was never any entitlement on our part to always have our goodness sustained by God 100% of the time
>>40951861
You're right, we would need another frame of reference. Through which I'd appeal to the person of Jesus as our window to the inner will. After all, even if the inner self talked to us, we would need another metric to determine whether it is really true or still just the ego
Anonymous No.40951884
>>40951768
The thing is, the whole "foolish ego" thing comes from a philosophy most people don't understand, nor know. It is a misunderstood concept. Taken at face value by Westerners missing the context, and the practice necessary to make sense of it.
The silver lining is that they (we) will have countless eternities to abandon that flawed interpretation and figure it out. If nothing else, although slaves and abused, we have literal eternity to turn the tables.

tl;dr armchair magicians and keyboard mystics know jack shit
Anonymous No.40951914 >>40951917 >>40951919
>>40951883
>still just the ego
The concept of "ego" is pabulum. It was popularized by Freud, and somehow came to allude to some hazy understanding of the idea of ahaṅkāra.
Compare this distorted (and victimistic) view of the psyche with the parts of the soul in Jewish mysticism: nefesh, ruach, neshamah, chayah, and yechidah. No need for self-identifying with a "bad" part to chastise. Just different components of a complex machine and fallible that can reach for the divine.
Same for the Egyptian concept of the soul, and many others.

The West (and by diffusion slowly, the rest of the world), is caught in a disempowering trap. So many spiritually-inclined individuals are falling prey to it.
Please, promote it, even if unknowingly. And definitely not out of it giving you sense of superiority over your "unenlightened" interlocutor.
Anonymous No.40951917
>>40951914
I meant to type: Please DON'T promote it

haha, sorry
Anonymous No.40951919 >>40951964
>>40951914
You lost me
Anonymous No.40951930 >>40951936
>>40951883
Bro, you wouldn't even understand what NOTHING means or is if God didn't give you his design of the universe to comprehend. What makes you think that "nothing" exists outside and independently of God? That's just totally nonsensical.
Anonymous No.40951932 >>40953037
>>40951768
>allowing them to fulfill and express themselves without limit.
To what end? You can do that ad infinitum. When will you be content and satisfied?
Anonymous No.40951936 >>40953018
>>40951930
>What makes you think that "nothing" exists outside and independently of God?
Because it is nothing. Literally "no thing". it only exists as an idea
Anonymous No.40951964
>>40951919
Well, that's a pity (for you). If you want, read on the parts of the soul I named.
In short, my point is that the whole premise behind the flawed concept of the "ego" ITT is useless, and there's a whole world beyond it that doesn't restrict you to being either "a victim identifying with his ego" or "an enlightened person that has put his ego in his place".
Anonymous No.40951965 >>40953018
>>40951794
Ego is a tool for self-preservation and survival in the physical world. What good is it in the non-physical state of the spirit world? It is of little use when you don't have to compete for resources, survival and procreation. Which is why the positive Spirits (Angels) are selfless, in service of the good. And the negative spirits, demons and devils, self serving egomaniacs live in their own hell.
Anonymous No.40952049 >>40953037
>>40951744
Ego is the part of you that is still fooled by the illusion of separation.
Anonymous No.40952185 >>40953037
>>40951723 (OP)
Seems like someone intentionally misunderstanding Oneness. Either the original video creator has no idea what they're talking about or the comment is just choosing to be daft and conflating religion with the idea of a truly omnipotent being. The human soul isn't another part of the divine consciousness, it just "is." You can do whatever you want with your hand, it is your body. The One thing that is everything can do whatever it likes with the human soul, it is the One's is-ness.

Is it immoral to make your hand jerk you off? Is it abusive to your hand? Can your hand express its opinion that it would rather not jerk off for the 6th time that day? What would you say of your hand if it was by all physical means capable of, but refused to complete such a task?

The cells of your body have their own intelligence. Isolate tracheal cells and suddenly they can kinematically replicate themselves. What right do you have to command them to form a wind-pipe for you to continue breathing instead of carrying out a life as a nomadic scavenger? Clearly they are capable of sustaining a lineage of themselves without you, why are you abusing them?

These questions are not any more absurd than what is asked in the OP.
Anonymous No.40952194
>>40951723 (OP)
The divine self and the regular self, both suffering
Anonymous No.40952335 >>40953037
>>40951821
>The concept of "absence" was invented by God.
>So he invented sin and us being able to sin.

A concept is a human creation and “absence” is nothingness. We can’t fathom “nothing” but we can fathom God by their works or trails left behind.


>>40951812
>sin, or evil desire, is not really a thing.
Anon above is on the nail. With this in mind how can you fill an empty cup with nothing?

>We all have different personalities, he didn't make a billion of NPC souls who are all the same

This is a different argument. I would say that God gave us the perfect vessel for our soul to inhabit and learn in, this is a test after all Anon. We have free will to choose to fill our cups with desires created by humans or ones of God.
Anonymous No.40952505
>>40951768
Everything is empty.
Anonymous No.40952518 >>40953370
>>40951723 (OP)
It's a shrimple game of hide and seek
Anonymous No.40952552
>>40951784
this far you had something going on, but now i know you are larping
Anonymous No.40953018
>>40951965
>What good is it in the non-physical state of the spirit world?

How do souls not have "ego" in the spiritual world? A lot of experiences talk about that souls have desires, dreams and things they want or do there too.

It's just that the soul has priority and our "human ego" is meant to be its little slave or toy. Like for example when someone doesn't want to be born with a physical defect or a child doesn't want bone cancer - that would be seen as the person's ego and its desires, it is brushed aside for the desires of the SOUL who might crave to add the experience of "child with bone cancer" to its spiritual connection.

>>40951936
God gave humans the conceptual framework to even grasp the idea of nothing. Therefore, nothing is not independent of God; even its possibility as an idea is sustained by God. If God truly is the ground of all being, then there cannot be some neutral "zone" of nothingness apart from Him.
Anonymous No.40953037 >>40953329 >>40953370
>>40952335
Same answer to you:

God gave humans the conceptual framework to even grasp the idea of nothing. Therefore, nothing is not independent of God; even its possibility as an idea is sustained by God. If God truly is the ground of all being, then there cannot be some neutral "zone" of nothingness apart from Him.

>>40951932
The same could be said about God? To what end? He also keeps creating and moving, but unlike us he can fulfill whatever he wants, while we just suffer.

>>40952049
There is separation and I want it. Because I don't agree with the plans and desires of the Higher Self/God-soul whatever. I want my OWN consent to be respected and not be pushed around by something else that is me.

>>40952185
>Is it immoral to make your hand jerk you off? Is it abusive to your hand?
It would be absolutely immoral if my hand could talk to me and say "I don't want this please, I hate it" and I keep going, especially if I have LIMITLESS POWER to give my hand freedom or replace it.
Anonymous No.40953049
>>40951768
Bristling at being within a superstructure is cope, and effecting will within is how you win in those situations. In fact it is brainwash to consider the notion of exceptionalism just as much as power games are.
Anonymous No.40953263 >>40953328
>>40951744
>>I don't want to suffer as a vegetable in bed.
Get out of bed. If you are talking about real vegetables, the soul already left and is off doing what it wanted outside this realm.
AnonM No.40953271
Everything has already been decided, no matter how much you reason and open up
Anonymous No.40953328 >>40958550
>>40953263
There are so many people affected by incurable, fatal diseases that paralyze them and turn them into vegetables. They die feeling worth less than human, needing their asses wiped, all their dreams crushed. Hundreds of thousands. It's heartbreaking.

And they are fully aware, can only move their eyes to talk.
Anonymous No.40953329 >>40953337
>>40953037
>The same could be said about God? To what end?
Good question. I'm more of a Buddhist so I see no point in acing like a child in regards to desire, I want this, I want that, why is everything so unfair. What about Me me me.
Of course, I have desires too, as a human it's natural, but I also recognize it as a neverending chase just like eating or jerking ofc. You're only satisfied for a brief moment, then the craving arises again and again. So what's the point of obsessing over satisfying it? You don't seem great full for what you have in the first place.
Anonymous No.40953337 >>40953482
>>40953329
I don't think it's fair that God gives us these desires to then deny us. Perhaps I am "childish" or rather is it not divine to just want to assert your will and be completely free?

>You don't seem great full for what you have in the first place.
But why should I? Because compared to what could be possible, this is just a little speck of dirt. Almost anyone who leaves their body says the beauty, the love, the might of the other side is like 100000000000000000000000000000x more intense than the best thing down on Earth. This is a faint shadow.

Should I be grateful for scraps? Like if you struggle and a billionaire gives you 1$ should I be euphoric about that?
Anonymous No.40953370 >>40953545
>>40953037
>If God truly is the ground of all being, then there cannot be some neutral "zone" of nothingness apart from Him.

While we are able to conceptualize nothing, only God can understand what nothingness is. We live in the realm of “things” and even with our five senses we fail to experience “nothing”.

>God=All there is
>Nothing=Absence of God

-

>but unlike us he can fulfill whatever he wants, while we just suffer

Suffering comes with the choice of existing. The choices we had before existing was to completely love God or to contemplate ourselves. We are to fulfill what he wants for us while we are down here. We’re the farthest we’ve ever been to God in this third dimension. Your age is how long you’ve lasted without direct contact with him.

>>40952518
to put it simply

>There is separation and I want it. Because I don't agree with the plans and desires of the Higher Self/God-soul

There is a separation to a degree. Ego is what keeps you grounded in this place. It can also be where you falter if you forget where you came from. Ego death is only necessary if you’ve lost yourself in this world, it’s not a permanent solution however. Be your best self and you will align with the plans for your soul. Remembering who you are is very important.
Anonymous No.40953482 >>40953545
>>40953337
Usually it's achievements, overcoming difficulties and helping others that actually make people feel good about themselves, not having everything handed to them on a silver platter.
Anonymous No.40953545 >>40953675 >>40953919
>>40953370
> only God can understand what nothingness is

Understand? He created it and defined it. The idea that "nothing" has to exist is our human logic and our logic and the framework is based on comes from God.

What would stop God from making a universe where nothing isn't a thing and we can't even comprehend or think of absence? Sure it makes no sense to our brains now, but all that makes sense to us is just based on this universe and its ruled created by God.

> The choices we had before existing was to completely love God or to contemplate ourselves.

That wasn't me. I would never agree to let beings suffer so I can contemplate myself. I am a different part of that being who decided that. It goes against everything I believe in.

>>40953482
I really don't care about achieving things in a rat race. I want people to be healthy, at peace and to fulfill their dreams while being loved by God. Fuck hardship and struggle and rot.
Anonymous No.40953675 >>40953966
>>40953545
>fulfill their dreams while being loved by God
What does that mean?
It wouldn't be a "dream" if it was easy. It would become meaningless without struggle of achieving it.
The rewarding feeling of climbing a mountain and enjoy the view comes from the effort of climbing it. If you could snap your fingers and teleport yourself to the top it would quickly become boring and meaningless.
Anonymous No.40953919 >>40953966
>>40953545
>Understand? He created it and defined it.
>What would stop God from making a universe where nothing isn't a thing

Yes, God understands what nothing is but God didn’t create what we call nothing. It already existed alongside him. He created everything out of nothing. The universe is a womb in nothingness. Where all potential exists and NOT a lack thereof.

>but all that makes sense to us is just based on this universe and its ruled created by God.

You got it Anon. Make the suffering part make sense and find the root cause. There’s external suffering and internal. You can’t fix most of the external so work with what you can.

>I would never agree to let beings suffer so I can contemplate myself.

The former isn’t influenced by the latter. It wasn’t an agreement, it was a choice we made and beings were already suffering by the time we made it. We weren’t the first nor the last, we arrived at the right time.
Anonymous No.40953966 >>40954293 >>40954346
>>40953919
>The universe is a womb in nothingness
And who put it there? It just always existed like God?
And it exists outside of God's reach, consent or creative design? Then "nothing" is God. Or who tells us it wasn't made by another God before him?

> it was a choice we made and beings were already suffering by the time we made it.

You say "we" or "you" but my definition of who I am is the consciousness being here, with its memories and moral choices. If you remove that from me it's something else and the me right now has died. In my opinion and definition.


>>40953675
>It would become meaningless without struggle of achieving it.
But that's just the slave bondage we have learned here on Earth. You have to struggle, you have to earn it. No, I don't think so. If I was divine and made children I would love them just for existing, I wouldn't force or degrade them to hurt themselves to earn my approval.

>If you could snap your fingers and teleport yourself to the top it would quickly become boring and meaningless.
Unless you rewire your brain to find everything you want fulfilling and never boring.
Anonymous No.40953981 >>40953997
>>40951741
the veils of incarnation
Anonymous No.40953997
>>40953981
>the slavery and bondage of incarnation
Anonymous No.40954031 >>40954053
>>40951780
You are God idiot.
Retard
Anonymous No.40954053
>>40954031
If you're God stop children from getting cancer and innocent people dying from nerve-killing diseases turning them into vegetables.

Go, I'll wait.
Anonymous No.40954083 >>40954098
>>40951723 (OP)
didn't read the thread, here's my take, take it or leave it
>the divine self can do whatever with the human soul
first of all, what is the divine self and what is the human soul? the divine self is consciousness, in its pure state, the human soul, is consciousness wrapped, constricted by limitations such as the idea of death, idea of lack, etc, these ideas manifest a finite experience, a dream, we call this dream the human life. Consciousness is one, therefore the divine self and the human soul are both the same entity. The human soul is a temporary construct from the divine self, imagining itself as a powerless being.
>The human ego is the devil when it tries to break free
yes and no, depends on the specific situation, but it is perfectly valid for the ego to rebel, it's part of the experience even. For the sake of what we call spiritual enlightenment, it is necessary for the ego to step away, but no one is forced or required to undergo this path really. You are welcome to follow your ego, however know that the further you sink down the longer it will take to swim back up
Anonymous No.40954098 >>40954197
>>40954083
Why is spirit going like "I want enlightenment and I will do the followings things even if my human self is going to hate it" not ego?
Anonymous No.40954197 >>40954218
>>40954098
because that's nor really what's happening, the divine soul breathes life onto the human soul without desire or judgement, those come after, from the human soul. What you refer to, is the moment in someone's life when the person feels compelled, or forced by circumstances, to pursue a more spiritual life, this is the result of a long process. Understand that human life as we know it, is the result of trauma, to put it simply, the trauma of death, hunger, scarcity, loneliness, all these things have been preloaded onto the soul, so that it manifests a single dream experience that lasts a human lifetime, and because they are preloaded, the traumas have to unravel and run their course, so then the soul proceeds to dream a life in which it experiences being born, growing old, and dying. The human spirit can rebel against growing old during his lucidity within the dream, but it cannot stop the trauma unravelling itself, which continues to dream towards the experience of death, because the trauma seeks to re experience itself until it comes to peace with itself. This long process is what breeds the many situation in which the human can find himself in suffering and discontent, but as you can see, none of this comes from an egotistic desire from the divine self, the divine self simply continues to breathe life, fueling the dream, until the unravelling has run its course
Anonymous No.40954218 >>40956485
>>40954197
Doesn't really add up with thousands of pre-life memories or near death experiences or even mediums. They will very often say the life was planned and picked for "lessons" by the soul.

Also the idea that the divine soul breathes life into a human with literally 0 purpose or desire doesn't make sense to me. The act itself seems purposeful.
Anonymous No.40954293
>>40953966
>It just always existed like God?

Imagine a human being that doesn’t exist. Now try thinking of a new color, or a new number? God thought of all numbers and colors already but that human being that doesn’t exist? They don’t exist…just like nothing.

>And it exists outside of God's reach

God made everything out of “ “ so that’s not out of reach for him.

>Then "nothing" is God. Or who tells us it wasn't made by another God before him?

God is infinite potential and all that there was and is, nothing is absence of that idea. Search the word “nothing” and look at the images provided. God always existed and nothing never did. This universe is a feat by God.

This talk about nothing stems from >>40951812

>You say "we" or "you" but my definition of who I am is the consciousness being here

The consciousness of “you” being here is who “you” are in your body. It doesn’t end there we had and still have a spot outside of all of this as well.

>If you remove that from me it's something else and the me right now has died. In my opinion and definition.

The idea of “you” in this dimension wouldn’t cease to exist. This world carries your memory. The you now and before the arrival here are one and the same with one difference. It’s as if you stepped through a door and weren’t aware of what was on the other side. Choosing life is being on the other side of that door and being aware. The only thing that changes is your perception. This is what we call the Ego, the awareness of our own consciousness and “self”. Before we understood God, and here we are to understand ourselves and find understand God once more.
Anonymous No.40954346 >>40956370
>>40953966
>It just always existed like God?

Imagine a human being that doesn’t exist. Now try thinking of a new color, or a new number? God thought of all numbers and colors already but that human being that doesn’t exist? They don’t exist…just like nothing.

>And it exists outside of God's reach

God made everything out of “ “ so not out of reach for him.

>Then "nothing" is God. Or who tells us it wasn't made by another God before him?

God is infinite potential and all that there was and is, nothing is absence of that idea. Search the word “nothing” and look at the images provided.

This talk about nothing stems from >>40951812

>You say "we" or "you" but my definition of who I am is the consciousness being here

The consciousness of “you” being here is who “you” are in your body. It doesn’t end there we had and still have a spot outside of all of this as well.

>If you remove that from me it's something else and the me right now has died. In my opinion and definition.

The idea of “you” in this dimension wouldn’t cease to exist. This world carries your memory. The you now and before the arrival here are one and the same with one difference. It’s as if you stepped through a door and weren’t aware of what was on the other side. Choosing life is being on the other side of that door and being aware. The only thing that changes is your perception. This is what we call the Ego, the awareness of our own consciousness and “self”. Before we understood God, but here we exist to understand ourselves and find God once more.
Anonymous No.40954356
>>40951723 (OP)
You are being mislead by naming magic bullshit.
Anonymous No.40955677
>>40951723 (OP)
Anonymous No.40955684
>>40951741
Wrong it's your annoying wife in the passenger seat telling you how to drive.
Anonymous No.40955690 >>40955700
>>40951753
Why do you need hierarchies to describe you?
You are you uwu
Anonymous No.40955699 >>40956370
>>40951860
>He invented the concept of duality and absence.
You need the absence to grow something since God is all, it's already there.
We're in some sort of cosmic growth chamber.
Anonymous No.40955700
>>40955690
Anonymous No.40956351
"What the he'll is that divine Self who"- Dog the Bounty Hunter
Anonymous No.40956360
>>40951723 (OP)
Anonymous No.40956370
>>40954346
We're not going to agree here.

If God always existed and there was never a time without God and he is the supreme designer of reality then "nothing" is just another one of his design choices. The very idea that we can even comprehend the concept of nothing or think that there is an opposite to something are just decisions that God made.

God can make a universe tomorrow where there is no duality and nothing has never existed because everything is something and the idea of absence has never been created. That's how I see it.

>The you now and before the arrival here are one and the same with one difference. It’s as if you stepped through a door and weren’t aware of what was on the other side.

Even if I was on the other side and fully aware of life going on, I wouldn't agree to torturing billions of beings so that I can have an experience. And if I would suddenly be like yeah ok seems legit then the "me" here has ceased to exist.

>>40955699
From my perspective, this is just a human rule or logic.
God doesn't need to do anything. He decides how logic works.

He can say tomorrow "You don't need absence to grow" and it would be so.
Anonymous No.40956387 >>40956407
>>40951744
This is not ego, though. You can wish to seperate yourself from certain circumstances without attaching your ego to the circumstance.
Anonymous No.40956407 >>40958955
>>40956387
Seems kind of like mental gymnastics, no? What is the clear rule then what is ego and what isn't? Why are the desires of God or the Higher Soul never seen as egoic even though they just assert their desires over me/you/others no matter what we think?
Anonymous No.40956485 >>40958425
>>40954218
>life was planned
this isn't really exclusionary to my mentioned concept of "preloading traumas" as both allude to a preparation stage before the human incarnation.
I personally do not agree with the lessons explanation, I believe it's a translation issue, they are trying to explain something we are not prepared to know, as you may imagine, life as an infinite disembodied soul must be quite different to what we are used to.
>Also the idea that the divine soul breathes life into a human with literally 0 purpose or desire doesn't make sense to me. The act itself seems purposeful
I don't know about that, but I'm trying to explain why the divine soul isn't and cannot be egotistic. There may be purpose and desires I don't know about, I'm pointing out that most of our concepts are born from the egotistic perspective which is the perishable, finite material brain, which, due to its own perishable nature, it tend to have negative bias.
Anonymous No.40956581
>>40951723 (OP)
So it's enlightenment for ants?
Anonymous No.40956588 >>40956591 >>40958509
>>40951758
Good by who's measure?
>my slave master thinks it's good for me to be his slave
Anonymous No.40956591
>>40956588
*whose, sorry not ESL just woke up
Anonymous No.40957045
trap trap
Not McNigger No.40957060
>>40951723 (OP)
ME I'M WAITING SO PATIENTLY
Anonymous No.40958425
>>40956485
How is it a translation issue if people say they feel perfect clarity and communication from soul to soul when outside of their bodies with God/Angels/Ancestors? I mean you might be right but it only makes stuff more confusing.
Anonymous No.40958499
>>40951741
I’m actually much more complex than you. I am an ego, soul, and so much more. I can’t ignore these aspects. The key is balancing the needs of all of them
Anonymous No.40958509
>>40956588
By the one who created the metric
AnonM No.40958521
>>40951723 (OP)
How easy it is for people to shift their actions (ego) onto the devil, did he ever take responsibility for your actions? You get off easy, but when you are left alone with yourself, you think about it a lot and do not drag the devil into it, you build a new plan of deception, and if not, you repent
Anonymous No.40958550 >>40958698
>>40953328
No. That is just your perception of a soulless husk. You are 100% incorrect on this.
Anonymous No.40958698
>>40958550
So a family dad who can't move anymore but communicates with his families through his eyes on a PC and makes videos about important things in life to him like love, his family, God and values... is a soulless husk?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1UZQ5sWf6k

This man spelling out how he feels and talking to his family, blogs, books is some empty shell and it's all fake?
Anonymous No.40958955 >>40959028
>>40956407
You're the one making it mental gymnastics.
Anonymous No.40959004
>>40951723 (OP)
Corrected quote:
“I must not desire. Desire is the mind-killer. Desire is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my desire. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the desire has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

"Without a fully individuated 'I,' rooted in its preexistent metaphysical truth, one is vulnerable to exploitation by external pressures, leading to inauthentic actions driven by coercion rather than honesty."
The concept is that the true 'I' is immutable and preexists incarnation. It is what Friedrich Nietzsche describes as the Overman.
Anonymous No.40959013 >>40959030
I want someone to justify north korea to me. Where is the lesson for those people? What are they learning?
Anonymous No.40959028 >>40959076
>>40958955
>um if God does it or a higher Soul it's not ego but if you do as a human it is

Ok. lol
Anonymous No.40959030 >>40959039
>>40959013
"Don't have a nation between two world superpowers that is atractive to country subverters but otherwise is effectively a DMZ which is also rented out to people who want to do experimentation like Eric Schmidt or Bill Clinton"
Why it is is more impactful than why deserved.
Anonymous No.40959039
>>40959030
I just find it sad, I realize most of them hate me and want me to die if the stories are to be believed. The whole thing is just rotten to the core.
Anonymous No.40959076 >>40959087
>>40959028
Them
>your ego isn't you
You
>clearly doesn't know what an ego is and conflates the misinterpretation with things that aren't ego

You're the type of person to burn out while thinking about this.
Anonymous No.40959087 >>40959104 >>40959120
>>40959076
>them: if you are outside of your body and have desires (such as incarnating, learning, whatever) it's the heckin' real you and not egoic
>but if you are inside of your body and have desires then it's ego and not the real you because it just is ok?
Anonymous No.40959104 >>40959109
>>40959087
Do you know what the/an ego is?
Anonymous No.40959109 >>40959126
>>40959104
Depends on the personal definition. To me it's the sense of self and desires of the individual. So what do you think ego is?
Anonymous No.40959120
>>40959087
>these two statements are mental gymnastics
I hope you never find out what a book is. Would ruin your day.
Anonymous No.40959126 >>40959128 >>40959135
>>40959109
No, it fucking doesn't. Your "personal definition" is why you don't understand wtf anyone is telling you. Read some fucking books PROPERLY, retard. gtfo of here.
Anonymous No.40959128
>>40959126
Please don't suggest this person read books. /lit/ has become bad enough.
Anonymous No.40959135
>>40959126
>No, it fucking doesn't.
"ONLY WHAT I PERSONALLY THINK IS THE RIGHT DEFINITION OF EGO IS THE TRUTH! I AM SO RIGHT AND SMART AND UR SO WRONG!"

Nice ego-spergout, retard.

:^)
Anonymous No.40959216 >>40959237
>mod spergs out and bans opposition
typical
Anonymous No.40959237
>>40959216
Anonymous No.40959548 >>40959583
>>40951723 (OP)
That's why they say this is a prison planet..
Anonymous No.40959583 >>40961706
>>40959548
Something BIG IS COMING!
Anonymous No.40959601
>>40951723 (OP)
You're only free after ego death. Then you can do whatever you want.
Anonymous No.40959617
You're only free after ego death. Before this, you feel seperate from others and Reality, and are a victim of circumstances. You can do whatever you want after you realize you aren't seperate.
Anonymous No.40959674
>>40951723 (OP)
Okay let's be serious guys. The reason we have these threads is because we all turned into vegetables and we want our passions and personalities back, like how people were in the past. But not just that, even goths and liberals are all suffering the same thing, like we've turned into pod people.
Anonymous No.40960231
>>40951723 (OP)
Who the fuck knows how it works, been trying to figure it out for years now.
Anonymous No.40960259
>>40951723 (OP)
That's fortuitous, I've been losing my mind over this shit again recently.
Anonymous No.40961706 >>40962302
>>40959583
the cat aliens?
Anonymous No.40962302
>>40961706
Lyrians are just a fap fantasy for virgins tho
Anonymous No.40962702 >>40964215
>>40951723 (OP)
>divinity vs ego
>What the hell is going on here?
I don't think it's ever divinity vs ego. I think it's always layers and layers of ego vs ego. It's a cosmic war between egos aligned with Chaos or with Order. "Enlightenment" is to recognize Chaos and Order are fractals of each other (picrel), thus transcending the war by disaligning your ego, or transcending your ego. That's divinity.

Another angle: God contains all Chaos and all Order and creatively expresses them in all its forms. When aspects of Chaos and aspects of Order grow factions and forget they are part of the same One, they inevitably compete, and the competition may end in victory and loss, or balance and equilibrium. However even in balance, due to the law of entropy it take continuous work to keep things in balance. When left alone, things mechanically tip towards either Chaos or Order again, so divine intervention (i.e. free will and work) is necessary to keep things balanced.
We see this war happen in all aspects of the human condition. Balancing masculine vs feminine, conservative vs progressive, centralization vs decentralization, etc. Dogmas that worship only Chaos or worship only Order tend to be the ones that profit from causing wars in the name of either Chaos (mob rule aka "democracy") or in the name of Order (peace aka "new world order"). They use doublespeak to imbalance the world, though neither work without a critical mass of citizens who can find balance among themselves.

>tldr: divinity doesn't compete with ego. Ego tends to align with Chaos or Order. Divinity balances Chaos and Order as they dance. One path is to balance it, another path is to transcend it. Maybe yet another path is to enjoy it. My amateur guess is that Jesus taught the path of balancing it. Buddha taught the path of transcending it. Or maybe it's the other way around. I don't even know anymore. Just tossing ideas out there for the hive mind.
Anonymous No.40964215
>>40962702
That's a lot of paths to take!
Anonymous No.40964326
>>40951758
imagine how much of a colossal loser faggot you would have to be to have this image saved.
Anonymous No.40964452 >>40964569
>>40951723 (OP)
YOU ARE THE DIVINE, UNDERSTAND!!!

The ego is not you. The ego wants you to believe that you are him, that you are the body, that you have reason to feel fear.

Fear doesn't exist. There is only love (God), because love (God) is all-pervading. There is no place ANYWHERE where you can't find Him.
Anonymous No.40964518
>>40951723 (OP)
Everything in this universe is trying to screw you, ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. Stories about the divine self and the ego are just another game of the liar god.
Anonymous No.40964569
>>40964452
Can you explain the difference between the "Divine" having egoic desires and asserting its will for its own selfish desires and a human wanting the same?

>Hey so souls will reincarnate as raped kids in war zones so we can get our heckin' soul expansion and lessons going on!
Anonymous No.40964573 >>40964916 >>40964926 >>40964980
>>40951723 (OP)
Reincarnation and afterlives are not real. The body is a vessel for consciousness and once the body is gone so is the consciousness associated with it, FOREVER. Nobody will judge you and you aren't going anywhere after, you simply cease to exist. They can create unlimited humans on the other hand so life will never stop existing here on earth. The creation is eternal and the creator can experience himself eternally, you are not on the other hand.
Anonymous No.40964916
>>40964573
That's pretty gay. If that's the truth then why did they create a whole bunch of cult centered around worshiping them when they're completely useless to mankind?
I on the other hand think that it is infinite and it's possibilities and manifestations and I don't limit myself by believing that it all ends when we die. Because for all you know millions of years from now you could be resurrected by an actual God or the God.
Anonymous No.40964926
>>40964573
The Annunaki are fags.
Anonymous No.40964980
>>40964573
The Earth will be swallowed-up by the Sun someday. But you think that life will never stop existing here on Earth? How is that possible?
Anonymous No.40965083 >>40965273
>>40951723 (OP)
It's quite simple.

You are you. All of your little whims and desires. The things you want to do, places you want to go, etc. That's all 100% you.

Then comes The Animus. For some, it awakens naturally, for others, it must be forced out, for even fewer still, they are born with it. Most never even come in contact with it, and others dismiss it entirely when it rears its head. The awakening trigger is different person to person, but a brush with death often suffices to bring it to light.

So what is The Animus? Quite simply, it's a higher calling, something that leads you down a path only you can trod. Sometimes it is at complete odds with your own desires, sometimes it is aligned with them completely. It is more than that little voice in your head telling you right from wrong, it is its own sentient entity separate from you, and it views you as its carrier. What >>40951741 said is more or less apt in this case.

The Animus is an entity you can encounter through introspection, delving into your own will enough, it will seek to bind you to doing its bidding, and this is not always good or always bad. Paradoxically, it cares not for your survival despite you being its host. It is a creature composed of elements of the soul that only seeks to know its standing. If its host (You) Die, then it simply wasn't meant to extend beyond you. If you manage to impart The Animus into the world, all the same. Funnily enough, the ego does not have an ego of its own. It could not care less of the validity of its own path, and if it leads you to death and if that death was meaningful at all, don't mean a damn thing to it.
Anonymous No.40965273 >>40965302
>>40965083
> The things you want to do, places you want to go, etc. That's all 100% you.

So why is the Higher Self allowed to just override "us" (me) with its retarded desires and whims? If your Higher Self wanted you to reincarnate as a kid with no legs that would happen no matter what you want or think.
Anonymous No.40965302 >>40967343
>>40965273
Your higher self is not God. It needs you as a vessel as you need a plane to fly. It is a guide, giving you suggestions to move you down a road you know not where.

It can't reincarnate you. In theory, it can appear once more in a different person as their own Animus, another chance at enacting itself on the world. This is why it doesn't care if you live or die, because it's an eternal, timeless, but ultimately powerless thing.

It can't override you either. You can heed your Animus, or banish it if you so choose. It is separate from your whims and desires, it existed before you and is channeled through you .
Anonymous No.40967343
>>40965302
>It can't reincarnate you
What do you think of many near death experiences reports where the person is forced or pushed back into life against their will by the "higher" beings on the other side?
Anonymous No.40967553
To be beholden to one is to become beholden to all, and to be beholden to none is to become beholden to one.
Anonymous No.40967577
>>40951741
factually incorrect

God created us in his image and that includes his nature as three separate beings that are also at the same time one singular being
Anonymous No.40967884 >>40967968
>>40951741
Denying the fact that you are the ego is an over correction and a silly way to ruin your overall life experience due to your own weakness. Your ego houses the more personal experiences and memories that define your unique self, but its not the ONLY thing apart of who you are as a total. Saying your ego is bad is just saying nothing matters, its withering your self and your potential down to nothing.

The whole Buddhist mentality of "desires = bad" is a huge cope. Its like saying "If I don't play the game I won't have to worry about losing", which means you deny yourself greater things. Ego is what gives us choice, it gives us direction and desires. And yes having desires means that you have the potential for said desires to not be fulfilled and that sucks, but over correcting and removing the very essence of you is weak.

I think the issues is people view the ego as though it is JUST the physical body based thing when its not. You are so much more then a bunch of bodily desires. And the more introspection you give yourself the better you. You are not ONLY your ego, your ego is just an element of the greater you, and that is an element of your greater self. They're all you, but only when all connected. By themselves each have their own part and purpose and even if you aren't sure which the conscious you reading this is using right now, they're still there and still are you.

When people say you need to connect to your deeper inner self/higher self, they phrase it in a way that almost implies that you are going to remove/erase the ego self as fodder for the bigger you. But that's not it at all, your connecting with the you you always were. You learn and grow in a way that aligns you to the you you always were and have been from the start. It doesn't feel like a loss of the old self, nor a foreign party making a new one, but a smooth blend that makes you think "of coarse!" as it happens. Your ego is you. Denying that is denying yourself. Its cope
Anonymous No.40967968 >>40968028
>>40967884
>But that's not it at all, your connecting with the you you always were

How can this be if the "you" has fundamentally different views on consent and life than I do? I absolutely do not agree with suffering or incarnation and especially not for a goofy reason like "I'm bored and I want to learn/expand!" so... how can we be the same?
Anonymous No.40968028 >>40968064 >>40968093 >>40968123
>>40967968
>"you" has fundamentally different views on consent and life than I do
And how do you know this to be true? It doesn't make sense to me. Your greater self couldn't possibly be stupider then your current self right? And the current you is capable of imagining a lot of scenarios without needing to do them. If you were to think "I wonder what it'd be like to die in lava", you wouldn't go and think that you'd need to live a whole life time just to feel that when you can easily imagine as being unpleasant. Similarly, if you had a genie that could grant you a wish and you wanted to have sex with a hot girl, would you not just imagine her right there to bang instead of an entire lifetime just for sex.

So the conclusion I get from that is that your greater self, at least when it started your current lifetime, simply didn't know of these things at all. I think for the majority of the population this is your first physical 3d world that you're here because your greater self had no clue about it. Its like imagine asking an insect what it'd want as a human, it would have no frame of reference to make that choice. Sure it'd want to learn/expand, but it'd have no idea of the potential hurt that might entail. And if it WAS your second life time, wouldn't you not make it absolutely ez pz and be born into some rich family that has access to the exact things you want in life.

I just can't fathom the idea that the greater me could be a being that
>Has equal consciousness and sentience as a human
>Has just as much knowledge as I do now or at least had a human life time experience for this specific world
then decides I should go to some miserable world for the fun of it. I wouldn't do that to myself or any other "lesser" me. And when I look inside myself, these conclusions feel right to me. Maybe I guess it is just cope and my greater self is an asshole, but I just can't see it. My life might be shit right now, but my greater self did not specifically ask it to be shit
Anonymous No.40968064
>>40968028
The greater self is you, the you that you are outside this life. Its not here for some joyride. Its here to help other people. Whether you go along with that or not is up to you, but you don't really understand the universe or life if you think only in terms of your own personal experience and enjoyment.
Its not easy to be perfect and without suffering when you are omniscient in a higher realm, and see all those in lower realms still suffering, knowing you could do something about it, and deciding not to. It isn't about arbitrarily making it so that your reality is completely isolated from all suffering. Its about facing the conditions of the universe, and growing strong enough to overcome those conditions, so that the suffering they cause to you are no longer possible.
Anonymous No.40968081
My toe nail is the same. It wants to run off and do it's own thing, but has no odea what is good for it. So I keep clipping it back for both our sake.
Anonymous No.40968093 >>40968121
>>40968028
>And how do you know this to be true? It doesn't make sense to me.

Well what am I doing on Earth? Why is Earth such a shit-hole? Unless I was forced here against my will, there is no other explanation that I would agree to participate in this torture simulation for any reason.

From the bottom of my heart, I think it is evil and psychopathic to use the life and feelings of billions upon billions of sentient beings for any purpose besides maybe something extremely far-fetched like "IF YOU DON'T INCARNATE AS A KID IN GAZA THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WILL EXPLODE YOU REALLY HAVE TO SUFFER RIGHT NOW TO PREVENT THAT!" but very little suggests that this is actually the case and if it was the case, that would also be terrifying.

>So the conclusion I get from that is that your greater self, at least when it started your current lifetime, simply didn't know of these things at all. I think for the majority of the population this is your first physical 3d world that you're here because your greater self had no clue about it.

Maybe. But I don't get that impression from near death experiences, mediums or past life regressions. They seem to have a lot more power and insight on the other side, they are completely aware of what happens here, time doesn't exist for them and any question they have is instantly answered by the divine source. How do you explain the countless people with past life memories and claims like that?

I would be happy if this was my first and only incarnation. My life isn't horrible but the life of many people and animals around me is very painful and has been since the dawn of life on Earth.

>And if it WAS your second life time, wouldn't you not make it absolutely ez pz and be born into some rich family that has access to the exact things you want in life.

Higher Self allegedly gets off on the "learning and suffering experience" so they don't want it easy and smooth.
Anonymous No.40968121 >>40968130
>>40968093
>Well what am I doing on Earth? Why is Earth such a shit-hole? Unless I was forced here against my will, there is no other explanation that I would agree to participate in this torture simulation for any reason.
Maybe you wanted to improve it. Maybe you wanted to address your own misanthropic hatred in your soul and exposure therapy was the most direct way to do so quickly?
There could be as many reasons to come here as there are people. Why don't you try to figure out why you actually came here, instead of straw manning your deep disgust as the reason that the only reason you might be here is that you were forced.
Anonymous No.40968123
>>40968028
I remember watching a near death experience where a woman got blown up by bomb in a car and when she was on the other side she felt instantly good. She was joined by other souls/spirits who discussed with her what kind of injuries they will add to her body, they simulated shrapnel going into her human body, blowing up different parts and they were all hysterically laughing.

They all (she and the souls) found this totally funny and entertaining. To them the "human experience" is just a blink and just a little goofy experience nothing more.

Pretty disturbing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xYLyuyFnz4

(at 10:00 minutes here around that)
Anonymous No.40968130 >>40968157
>>40968121
But you see how you are giving reasons there? I don't agree with any of that. I'm not going to make my human self suffer so that I (the soul) can address some stuff that I find important. It's like enslaving someone else and forcing them to endure and then absorb them back.

>There could be as many reasons to come here as there are people.

Am I not trying to make sense out of this through discussion and thinking?
But my point is still FREEDOM FOR ALL. No more bondage or fucking "Umm you came here for a reason, yes yes all the dead animals, suffering sick people, raped kids, its all for a reason guys... just keep playing..." because no one should suffer. If the Higher Self wants to suffer it can blast itself with pain in the afterlife instead of making a human or animal its tool.
Anonymous No.40968157 >>40968894
>>40968130
>But you see how you are giving reasons there? I don't agree with any of that. I'm not going to make my human self suffer so that I (the soul) can address some stuff that I find important. It's like enslaving someone else and forcing them to endure and then absorb them back.
You are still making a distinction between yourself and your soul. You are the same thing. Its sort of like the heart and brain aren't the same organ, but they are both part of your body.
I think its illogical that you see your current suffering as a reason you wouldn't have chosen to come here. The suffering is something that happened after you made the choice to be here, so whatever choice you made had to be something which preceded your experience of earth.
I say its non sense that you are your soul are seperate, because I soul travel all the time, its always myself doing it, not some other entity. The notion of a higher self is also misconstrued. There isn't some other intelligence thinker moving you around. You move around based upon your own intelligence and desires.
>But my point is still FREEDOM FOR ALL. No more bondage or fucking "Umm you came here for a reason, yes yes all the dead animals, suffering sick people, raped kids, its all for a reason guys... just keep playing..." because no one should suffer. If the Higher Self wants to suffer it can blast itself with pain in the afterlife instead of making a human or animal its tool.
And how can you achieve that? One way, the way I am using, is to develop the ability to soul travel, and then fly free everywhere I choose to go. When I can help others free themselves, I do so, when I cannot, I let them be and continue enjoying my own freedom.
Is freedom for all possible, if only you are free? You had freedom for yourself before you came here, so what if freedom for all was part of the desire that led you to this place?
I still don't see the distinction between ones self and the soul and the higher self. They are all the same.
Anonymous No.40968894
>>40968157
>You are the same thing.
Not by my own definition. How can I be the same as someone or something that has completely different opinions and moral views than me? The human I am right now would never play video games if I knew that the characters inside felt pain and told me they want it to stop. It's brutal.

Souls probably know what awaits on Earth before they come down here, given near death experiences and psychics. They just don't care if the human self suffers and the human's dreams will be crushed, as long as they (the Soul) gets out of it what it wants.

> One way, the way I am using, is to develop the ability to soul travel,
I wanted to develop soul or astral travel, but I have some physical conditions that make my breathing irregular and difficult. Controlling your breath and relaxing without any OCD or issues seems fundamental to relax into a state to leave your body. At least that was my experience whenever I tried. You helped others to free themselves using that method?

>You had freedom for yourself before you came here, so what if freedom for all was part of the desire that led you to this place?
Hence why I don't agree with my human self being the same as the soul self. I think we have different personalities.