Thread 40951726

I think the notion of literal masculine and feminine energies in the body are retarded, at least in terms of all the things that people blame situations on. Sure, you could say testosterone is masculine energy, and estrogen is feminine energy, but people talk about integrating these energies and doing other psychological work with them, which pretty much eliminates a simple physical explanation.

I came to an idea for what they mean psychologically.

Masculine energy = Life drive/instinct
Feminine energy = Death drive/instinct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eros_(concept)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_drive

The life instinct drives survival, competition, success. Taken overboard (without balance), it can lead to narcissism.
The death instinct drives humility, ego death, cooperation. Taken overboard, it can lead to laziness.

These are paths that the ego can take, towards life or death. An inner life/death. It makes sense that these would be the most fundamental drives in humans, because we have egos and because life/death are the most significant directions that it can go in.

>>40951726 (OP)
Traditionally feminine energy is the discriminating (reactive) energy gating the masculine indiscriminating (proactive) energy. Testosterone lowers your threshold or inclination towards proactiveness (whatever it may be), people with little to no testosterone are very reactive, there is no other function to testosterone. Estrogen makes you inclined to be more reactive to whatever that is you meddle with. Arguably someone with "relative" wisdom high estrogen level is worse candidate in comparison to testosterone, and vice versa. Ordinarily, however, you want to be balanced to have the best of both worlds, as nobody is infinitely wise and nobody is infinitely unwise.

This is also the premise of procreation, women have evolved in a way where they gate and cherry pick what kind of proactive energy goes through, and when it does they cannot contain themselves, they cheat on their partners and so on and have bastard children, because their body felt the way it did and vice versa they abstain from procreating when the partner doesn't make her feel "that" way. However, nowadays people form relationships mostly through the lens of imagination where they could be talking for the person through internet for years before seeing them, sometimes this imagination is on par with how the person really feels, it might take year or two before the woman comes to the conclusion: this person was nothing I thought him to be. Those people who form the bond based upon "love in first sight" and have even remotely similar life circumstances probably mate for life, opposed to those who are not energetically "compatible" or having drastically different worldviews, though if everything else is in concord - respect, energy and patience/expectations nothing will separate the two.

Ego is nothing more than habitual energy formation, which is based upon pattern recognition=imagination, circadian rhythm (cyclical energy, daily, monthly, yearly etc.) and wisdom (making distinction).

blah blah blah yin and yang are relative, yin and yang can also be themselves strong or weak, and manifest into each other at their extremes or at the end of their cycles
study the yi jing
and for the love of god stop trying to make western comparisons they're all bad

>>40951842
I liked your explanation a lot, but I think what I said is also compatible with it.

Proactiveness = an assertion of self and of life (ok, a little bit poetic but whatever), claiming your own sovereignty
Reactiveness = denial or exhaustion of self, loss of power, submission to external circumstances

I think your terms are probably better than the ones I was using though, if we're speaking technically.

>>40951726 (OP)
https://counter-currents.com/2010/06/absolute-woman/

https://gornahoor.net/?p=5782

>>40951842
You seem quite knowledgeable on this topic, so I'll ask you.

At first, I thought people were using different definitions for these concepts, and I was trying to make sense of that. But of course, definitions are inferior points of reference compared to the whole theory that they are used in. In other words, we could agree on precise terminology, and we'd still have different theories of their flow and their priority, their distribution between the sexes, and the goals that one may have to use them within themselves. I think this reflects the fact that people have different ideas of proactivity and reactivity, whether it is about psychology, gender, or the metaphysics of the universe.

What do you think? Can you catalog the major schools of thought?

For instance, "goddess worship" in this context could really be the emphasis on reactivity as the primary or most powerful force in the universe or self, and "solar worship" would generally be the recognition of proactivity as the primary mover in the self and universe. Some more esoteric treatises may attempt to blend these two (Ten Wings, Buddhism, etc), but very few people have the patience to get into them.

>>40951877
Sure, I am just giving quite stripped and simplified lens to look at. The problem is that the interactions between the two, proactive and reactive energy convolute and expand the resolution we inspect to a level of intricacy that is not only obscure without experience (in relation to how it would really happen should there be actual interaction), but also almost completely unimaginable as most things are without direct experience. Saying which comes from what is the same as saying I know this or that completely step by step, with energy this is the real muddiness what is the source of this becoming, if we can catch even one portion of this cycle that is repeating we can make a distinction, and say as this is cyclical and even propagating it is not of divine origin (I use word divine to describe that which is without flaw). Say for example having a flower give the seeds and sprout new flower, we know the cycle, if something reverts back to the form of a seed without going repeating the one directional cycle, could we say where it originated from, without knowing the real origin? We can estimate one directional realities, problem is energy can be multi directional (sometimes), though we can simplify and assert things and wait whether the energy dissects our assertion. Essentially what I am saying is linear lifetime is not linear, it is actually nothing we think it is, it is something completely different and to experience life this way is to convolute discriminating and indiscriminating energy to a level of complete confusion (lack of distinction), things become one and the same, even though we "know" they aren't.

>>40951726 (OP)
Masculine energy is willpower. Feminine energy is creation. You will and create. They work together.

>>40951726 (OP)
Masculine = that which goes out from above
Feminine = that which takes in from below

>>40951726 (OP)
I think your shadow just hates women and this is just intellectualisation, masculine and feminine distinctions have already been very adequately described by Jung and his contemporaries

>>40951963
The point being here that no matter what or how we describe things the lens or perspective is what defines how our wisdom is conformed. And there is no description or wisdom that can be substitute to direct experience, though the lens and wisdom helps us exclude or include inclinations HOW energy is supposed to direct or redirect.
>>40951962
>I think this reflects the fact that people have different ideas of proactivity and reactivity, whether it is about psychology, gender, or the metaphysics of the universe.
That is one part of the muddiness problem. This is why I did assertion of what characteristics pertains to these two. Through inspection and lifetime of experience the deduction comes closer and closer to the perspective and wisdom we hone, and all things happen because they can (not in our estimations, but because they are physically possible, this being "matter of time"). The tug and war of energy is the evolution itself, the vast sea of energy being manipulated to propagate and spread according to these waves that keep happening as energy reacts to these waves they propagate the wave itself, without reaction life and existence itself ceases. This applies to all phenomena, social, cultural, biological. Without strife the existence stops no matter in what shape or form the existence manifests. In theory if all reactiveness ceases this one "primary" wave swoops by eventually fading to the shore leaving no rippling waves. Something or someone wants to exist therefore the reactiveness continues forever more, this is the tug of war in energy.
>Can you catalog the major schools of thought?
Not really, making sense out of anything when looking through the lens of mundane experience reduced to the level of senses and practicality is in my mind impossible. Most things engineer you to do something because "xyz", I say nothing can be done or achieved without energy. Having noble perspective and amassing wisdom is futile without interaction.

>>40952089
What is the connection between energies and self? And for that matter, ego? I'm trying to ask vague questions so you can fill in some blanks.

My perception of self is either holistic (whole body with all parts and emanations) or minimalistic awareness. The mere awareness version excludes ego, which is not awareness but encodings based on past experiences, both of thought and emotion, forming preconceptions about self and reality. Furthermore, the energies seem to act directly on this, either growing or shrinking the ego.

Ego is a funny topic though. Sometimes I think what people observe outwardly as being a large ego is actually more like the absence of ego. Either extreme can be problematic and produce behavior deviating from reality, which is essentially what you access from a place of awareness (both receptivity and proactivity, as you put it).

>>40951726 (OP)
Believing there are masculine and feminine energies is a feminine trait

>>40951726 (OP)
https://youtu.be/mEd3QAseUB8
https://youtu.be/mgMyk4ZOibw

>>40951726 (OP)
Legacy is the nurturing of your bloodline.

>>40951726 (OP) Part of the project in combination, everything that you think up for yourself or have long accepted as truth, it doesn’t matter, you are just a code in the system

>>40951842
Lol i hate women so much it's unreal

>>40953304
Bro what are you on about? I also do my drawings but have no idea what yours are. How about stepping out of your solipsism a bit?

fvgewerg

>>40953327 Brighton?

>>40953284
How can someone get it totally opposite from the truth?

I wonder if this is at the root of the Deva vs Asura schism (insofar as that was a real thing).

>>40951842
Women have a huge responsibility since they have the power to bring a life into this world through pregnancy. That is why they are always as demanding as possible with their partners.When giving birth, they seek to bring the best spirits into this reality. That's why they are so selective with their partners.

>Those people who form the bond based upon "love in first sight" and have even remotely similar life circumstances probably mate for life, opposed to those who are not energetically "compatible" or having drastically different worldviews, though if everything else is in concord - respect, energy and patience/expectations nothing will separate the two.

Do you think people who fall in love at first sight are more loyal partners? In my experience, it has happened to me twice, falling in love at first sight. Do you think it's a good or bad thing in a metaphysical sense?

Her thoughts...
They share emotion...
His behaviour...

>>40954329
>they seek to bring the best spirits into this reality. That's why they are so selective with their partners.
>nice car chad! Teehee ! Fuck me!
Sure bud

>>40953275
>connection between energies and self? And for that matter, ego?
First of all what reference of self do we have besides existence, there is two ways to look at it: the impermanence of self and permanence of self, the latter implies perpetual continuity of existence. Even though in both occurrences we can inspect them through the short term and long term lens, ultimately what is happening in this existence is the question no matter the spectrum. If we focus onto the happening itself how life is becoming the way it is one might come to the conclusion: it is finite, meaning there is set amount of steps from start to end, until this is no longer true. If we conclude there is a degree of change, meaning perpetual change in our existence, is there even one speck of immutable truth in our existence? To answer this question we would have to roll back the years and become aware what has always been the same, I keep it boring and say energy. Even though energy is arranging in different manner the quality of energy remains the same and the means. Previously I talked about discriminating and indiscriminating energy, in essence discriminating energy negates energy it doesn't necessarily want to be part of something when they come to interact, however, when they are in concord they unify in a sense creating new sequence of energy a new "wave", this muddies the origin. Proactive (opportunistic) energy asserts (inattention and opposing) and reactive (pessimistic) energy disserts (inspection and disposing). This proactive energy through our own experience and perspective transforms inattention to wisdom and knowing with the aid of reactive energy. If you didn't feel any pain for instance you would probably cut your limbs away at some point just to see what happens, if you had no prior reference what would be the consequence, this is proactive energy it doesn't discriminate at all, it will reign over opposing and submitting everything without disposal.

>>40951726 (OP)
Activity and Passivity

>>40951726 (OP)
Masculinity is ayran
Jews are feminine

>>40953275
>And for that matter, ego?
So, to say how ego is formed is to say how energy behaves. First, is there any instance of behavior that qualifies as free will besides ceasing to act at all. Secondly what is ego ultimately? If it defines how we adapt and react to energy it would be habitual energy formation, so in a sense it is purely reactive isn't it. If you leave reactiveness out of your behavior and are purely proactive is there ego to be had? Habitual energy implies predictability in our behavior, meaning we are determined to act in a certain way to stimulus, this in mind someone could pre-emptively weigh their options manipulating us knowing how we react. If ego is predictable what would it tell us? And more importantly how would it define our proactiveness. This would ultimately of course lead back to our upbringing and what is imposed to us throughout the years, this is wrong this is right therefore my proactiveness can only do this. We live in suboptimal conditions where we are conditioned to so much limitations many people cannot really be proactive without contradicting the years of imposed programming. The first heavy blow was of course Abrahamic religions that defines largely our societies nowadays, the imprint is so heavy it disrupts with our natural way of interacting with energy through its societal norms and power structure, it is built towards trustless power (money, slavery and sanctions), this mold defines how people behave and interact with other people. For instance having a job that affords you minimum housing and food to scrape by is no different from slavery, people become normalized to their condition so in reality very few pursue change and so forth. This also translates to our women, they no longer necessarily mate the person they want they mate the person out of necessity and ease. If majority of women were in real economic position world would be drastically different.

I had a fresh thought: what if it's just the X and Y chromsome? Therefore, the "chaos" comes from genes on the X chromosome, and the "order" comes from the DNA on the Y chromosome.

>>40953284
In other words, this guy is actually right. I'm just not sure if he recognizes it's because of the way DNA works, not because it is literally how people act. There was just something offputting about his delivery that I caught from the beginning.

>>40954329
>Women have a huge responsibility since they have the power to bring a life into this world through pregnancy.
>That is why they are always as demanding as possible with their partners.
You would be shocked how inbred people are in Muslim countries and so forth, not to speak of the rape genes in Africa where women are more fawning and amicable towards rapists, because that is the norm and genetic inclination to let it happen. Whatever behavior is normalized it also translates to the genes throughout the generations, what you are talking about maybe holds truth in highly egalitarian and societal country (I don't know if there is one), even if you got there there is a long baggage of prior behavior of said cultures and dna, I don't know if there is a way to cull this deficit. All pointers in our world are towards retrogression and exploitation, because nobody trusts anyone, that is what happens when cultures clash and everyone wants to prevail at the expense of others.

>>40955390
Thus, the history of man is the history of proactivity, and the history of women is the history of reactivity. One is in the square, and the other is behind closed doors (when you really think about it, what other activity has more privacy than sex)? Anyways, we're not literally talking about every single man on earth or every single woman on earth (typically). We're referring to particular strands that either spread through the men or the women.

The great lie of western Europe is that their essential nature is their "whiteness" from the east (part of Indo-European expansion). Rather, western Europe differs precisely because it retained a stronger culture with respect to the indigenous prior to Indo-Europeans (who are also capable of lighter skin, see Morocco or the spread of the X chromosome into the Middle East. These are the same "Atlanteans" who settled Egypt and Greece. The "Jewish" women today are only one of competing stuck under this headline. I believe this used to be witchcraft, and that's actually what had made the original west so unique.

I think in the west, the challenge was always to prevent the psychopath coming out in people. All it takes is a small gang to make a huge difference in a community that has no police or standing guard. These gangs can accrue power quickly and form large networks. This is the evolution of power.

So, archetypally speaking, you have the psychopath (the pleb) vs the magician (the mystic, the witch). The mystic spread consciousness through people by storytelling. This evolved into an elaborate introspective definition of consciousness into tiers, numbering 3 or 4 typically. On deep examination, all of these models are only capable of measuring one single dimension or emergent state of consciousness.

What I have found is that consciousness is hyperdimensional — perhaps 10 or more variables required to adequately define mental state — and thus no simple hierarchy exists when it comes to mind. The hierarchies we construct are arbitrary.

Now, with that being said, we may imagine a perfect angle at the following goal (and then setting good goals), being virtue and about the best we can do in life. Virtue is thus not only the angle (the definition), but also the energy (the effort). Now we've arrived back at woo woo energy. It is the impossible to measure life force that wants us to live and prosper.

>>40951726 (OP)
Time is a difference between two states : before, after.
Everything has an opposite:
> The void is the inverse of the infinite.
> The ego is the inverse of the self.
The Void AND the Infinite are beyound the infinite or the void : Alpha and Omega.

>>40951726 (OP)
It’s not so simple nor so rudimentary.
To break it down simply, female energy is blue, you draw it in when you breathe, male energy is red, you expel it when you exhale.
You draw in blue from your left, send out red from your right.

I wonder if thought is recorded as DNA. That is to say, the evolution of your own DNA occurs through thought, which then gets transmitted to the rest of your cells over time. Maybe we have "epigenetics" wrong. It's not like we have a DNA value that can modulate on or off depending on situation. That modulation IS the consciousness. That is the life form.

>>40955655
The consciousness problem is very muddy, you can for instance merge consciousness with other people through energy even inspect their thoughts as they emerge and such, dna is of course part of the compartment, so it is more feasible to say energy is the consciousness that is being modulated by whatever it is in interaction with. How conscious or aware is of course different discussion, we as humans for example are barely trespassing the threshold of being self-aware.

>>40951726 (OP)
give / take

>>40951726 (OP)
men RAdiate (phallus), women gRAviate (challis)

RA is the Egyptian god. there two types of energy, push or pull, it's all binary

>>40951986
this lil ninja gets it

Bump

>>40951726 (OP)
Selling points and or that one thing the art girl said that was kinda witty, kinda hitting, all around different and fresh. Bro was wearing funny socks.