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Anonymous No.40952000 >>40952006 >>40954363 >>40956358 >>40956867 >>40960462 >>40965337 >>40973318 >>40973467 >>40974699 >>40978705 >>40981743 >>40985065
Christianity vs evolution
What does it mean to be made in the image of God, how do you know if someone is made in God's image and why does it matter if we are made in his image or not?
Made in the image of God is basically only ever mentioned once in the Bible (the other four times are just referencing that one time) and it doesn't tell me much about what made in God's image means.
Throughout the Bible we see God and Jesus treat humans and non human animals very differently such as telling humans which kinds of animals they may or may not slaughter to eat them and how to slaughter them or Jesus killing lots of pigs seemingly unnecessarily. But we don't see God or Jesus treating humans this way. What is the morally relevant difference between a human and an animal? How is one made in God's image but not the other?
Anonymous No.40952006 >>40952017
>>40952000 (OP)
Are proto humans made in God's image? Why or why not? If you say ability to reason, appreciate beauty, have free will, etc etc makes an individual made in the image of God I'd say that being able to reason, appreciate beauty, have free will etc etc aren't binary they're a spectrum. There were almost certainly proto humans who had some ability to reason, some free will, some appreciation of beauty etc etc but not as much as modern homo sapiens. But how can an individual be partially made in God's image? Seems impossible. This is why I don't think humans are super special and made in God's image (I guess I could believe both humans and non human animals are made in God's image but I don't see how I could believe only humans are made in God's image).
For Christianity to draw such a line in-between humans and non human animals on only the basis of "made in the image of God" without being able to define it seems like a huge issue with Christianity. Because Christians will not be okay with turning baby humans or adult humans who are severely permanently mentally handicapped and incapable of reason into sandwiches but are okay with turning pigs cows etc into sandwiches, but what's the morally relevant difference? It can't be ability to reason because they still want to grant rights to humans who can't reason. It can't be just "being human" because what is a human? When did proto humans stop being non human animals not deserving of moral consideration and start being humans deserving of moral consideration? Did one proto human woman just one day give birth to a "real" human? This seems insanely arbitrary.
For me as an agnostic this is incredibly easy but I don't see how a biblically inerrant Christian can resolve this apparent contradiction, if it's not a contradiction at the very least I think it probabilistically makes Christianity much less likely to be true.

Would it have been moral for adam/the first human "made in the image of god" to kill his parents?
Anonymous No.40952017
>>40952006
What's ironic is from watching videos of Christian apologists and one is making the same point and then arguing evolution is incompatible with Christianity and must be false. Unfortunately I think the evidence that evolution is true is overwhelming. I first heard this same exact types of arguments from atheists. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqFbQgVrg7s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9wjVLKy8Xk

Jimbob makes a lot of very good points and redeemed zoomer is having a hard time making Christianity and evolution fit together.
For example he had to bite the bullet and agree it would be moral for Adam to kill his parents because they were "beasts"

I wish Christianity were true because I fear death and have existential dread.

The evidence of evolution seems so strong. Is there any good evidence or arguments evolution isn't true?

>Why is a bubble spherical? Because that is the most efficient shape, in balance with its forces.

>The being created to experience gnosis is that of a God, we are based on that.

But why can't proto humans experience this? Again "human" is more of a spectrum not binary
Anonymous No.40952025 >>40952088
Current Livestream of Orthodox Christian who doesn't believe in evolution and believes it's incompatible with Christianity https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qGEJq77EQ
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>>40952025
Problem is I'm agnostic atheist and I think the evidence that evolution is true is overwhelming and I agree with Christians who say evolution is incompatible with Christianity
Anonymous No.40952159 >>40952177 >>40971882
>The entire Bible could be parable inspired by God<
>it would retain 100% of it's value as a source of truth<
>Christianity and science are not mutually exclusive<
>Donkey<
Anonymous No.40952177 >>40952186
>>40952159
inerrancy is definitely not true
Anonymous No.40952186 >>40952197
>>40952177
>parables are stories that aren't literally true<
>that retain their truth in the meaning of the story<
>Donkey<
>you got filtered by parable and metaphor<
Anonymous No.40952197
>>40952186
Cope
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Anonymous No.40953200 >>40953242 >>40953354 >>40978280
Evolution is about the single strongest proof of intelligent design you could provide.
Anonymous No.40953242 >>40955288
>>40953200
But then man wasn't made in the image of god right because made means past. Man was. And if you say man is still in the process ,since we are then is god imperfect? Were the early Christians not men? Or is god developing too?


Your Bible never said man was made by God's intelligent design to select the best features out of the ancestral pool that help him survive in God's garden remember that.
Anonymous No.40953354
>>40953200
It contradicts Christianity watch the YouTube videos itt
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Anonymous No.40954363 >>40954652 >>40955315
>>40952000 (OP)
Genetic determinism, and mutation are a matter of fact. It's the reason some birds can land on an island, become a unique species, die off, and then do it again.
That still doesn't completely explain us though, or ayys, or the purpose of having a religious instinct, or biblical experiences, or the paranormal.
We popped up out of nowhere, progressed EXPONENTIALLY over the span of a few hundred thousand years. For a K-select species, this is improbable; The more time it takes to reproduce/rear, the longer evolution should take.
>What does it mean to be made in the image of God
Gene-editing and hybridization with foreign DNA

As for the other stuff, idk, I'm not God.
Anonymous No.40954652 >>40955171
>>40954363
What about free will?
Anonymous No.40955171 >>40956368
>>40954652
magnets have already disproved free will
Anonymous No.40955288 >>40970738
>>40953242
The image of God either refers to the ability to reason, judge, act in either good/evil ways, act with free will and create (no other animal can do all of this) or it seems to refer to the more "heretical" view that you are a slice of God, limiting itself to experience something that it is not, but the underlying thing is still God - akin to something like an avatar in a video game where the character is your image you take in that medium and is you but not all of you. I do not think it means image as in this person looks like God.
Small Penis McGee No.40955315
>>40954363
You put the reeeeee in retard
Anonymous No.40956358
>>40952000 (OP)
Evolution is just the math running in the design of life. It's logical instead of inherently chaotic. Although it differs it led to a infinite variations of life in general. As it is logical it means it is intended to work. If it's intended to work in a certain way it means it's a design. If it's a design that means there is a designer.

Who is the designer? Who knows, is it god? Is it what people call it "the source" is it another civilization who created us and will we as humanity create a new world with its own rules one day? Who knows. We zoom in on micro life and see that there is life on life. Layers upon layers. Perhaps a soul is born to grow larger, more important, smarter. In the end how does life cope with death? By creating new life.
Anonymous No.40956368
>>40955171
How
Anonymous No.40956405
Image
I Mage
Imagine
Imagination
Image I Notion
I Mage I Notion

Checks out, we are all sparkling in His eyes!
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Anonymous No.40956867 >>40956874 >>40957139
>>40952000 (OP)
I answer this in every thread that gets asked this question. God is love, and we were created in the image of love. It's how we're meant to live, which is why the Divine Law sums up to love for God and your neighbor. Which is why Jesus came to teach us the importance of love.

That's how humans were prior to the fall, and which is why they noticed each other's nakedness after they fell. They were in a state of divine purity and its something we have lost.

So that's your answer, OP. Love is the fulfillment of the Law and Love is God and Love is the foundation of the faith itself and the necessary foundation to applying the Lord's teachings properly.

Love!
Anonymous No.40956874 >>40957139 >>40978280
>>40956867
Oh, OP is of scientific mind so this truth will go way above his head and it will not satisfy. That's the beautiful part of the faith, it surpasses human logic and goes well beyond the human senses so that it cannot be cheaply imitated and one is forced to adhere to the proper rules and paths to achieve something through it. Thankfully it's not some automated system of power because then you scientific clowns would seek to exploit it and remove all the respect and lessons to be learned through it.

TL;DR scient will never understand the faith and that is a good thing. They may perceive what is on the surface, buts that all.
Anonymous No.40957139 >>40957219
>>40956874
>>40956867
Love is not unique to humans but humans claim made in the image of God is unique to humans

Animals need Just enough reasoning to work out, on instinct/autopilot even, that helping another person or animal is not in the potential altruist's direct material interest, and for a human specifically, knowing there will be no social standing reward, and yet still behaving altruistically. Got to be rare but I've seen the beginnings of it in other social animals, probably hardcoded from deep in our past. There are sheep that stand in between 2 fighting sheep to break the fight up and can get injured in the process and not spaz. Whatever instinct that is is proto-altruistic.
Anonymous No.40957219 >>40957291
>>40957139
You don't understand what it is I'm saying, neither what is being conveyed when the Bible speaks of love. Animals are incapable of that love. You're too scientific leaning to ever understand.
Anonymous No.40957291 >>40957300 >>40957375
>>40957219
It's just non falsifiable empty platitudes and pilpul
Anonymous No.40957300 >>40957341 >>40957400
>>40957291
1 Corinthians 2:14
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

This is exactly why you will never understand, by the way.
Anonymous No.40957341 >>40957367
>>40957300
>start believing in it without evidence and then you'll believe it
Anonymous No.40957358
Basically, the gods were discussing their forms, which are like human forms. Minerva said that the truth is their forms come from a world where life arose out of non-life, and through generation evolved sapient beings, which achieved divinization, but retaining their animal form. One example she gave is the paired sex organs, facilitating genetic sexual reproduction - highly adaptive under selective pressure. A certain god was really indignant at the idea that his form is derived from primitive fish that barely have memories or ratiocination. Long story short, he created the multiverse we live in to see if it's true - and found out Minerva told no lie.
Anonymous No.40957367
>>40957341
True evidence comes from a place in which the human body cannot process. So the only way we can be given evidence of the Divine is through knowledge of the Holy Spirit. The human body is heavily limited in what it can sense, and our senses aren't the strongest to begin with. At least not in this state. You can argue against scripture all you want, but the truth is that you cannot understand or experience anything truly Divine without the Holy Spirit in you. You will never have any understanding, unless you have the Holy Spirit. And I know how much this upsets you, but it's true.

β€œYou will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.”

1 Corinthians 1:25
25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

This is why I don't take science serious. Once you really see things, you start to see the heavy limitations and boundaries due to man being in a fallen state and the world exploiting that and trying to control the narrative about life on earth.
Aten !LYEuHuoDEM No.40957375
>>40957291
Is it non falsifiable that God is a cricket
Aten !LYEuHuoDEM No.40957400 >>40957407 >>40957411 >>40957537
>>40957300
Ok I took your advice for 9 years, now I know what the crickets are saying to me

The holy Spirit started annoying me and when I started chanting nam Myoho Renge Kyo (all submission to the mystic law), I immediately saw the line "One who has the Spirit is not under the Law."

You guys can enjoy him

Actually, I will tell you as far as I came

Belzebub blasphemes all existence. When he wins an argument it conjures the Holy Spirit. He's like the Spirit new world that is created after Belzebub beats the Emperor.

anyway, that's as far as I got.

Jesus speaks word salad and creates a new world without Grecco-Aryan skill. He teamed up with Belzebub to allow him to blaspheme all existence and the product is the "holy spirit.". Actually nothing is holy until the nobility is overthrown.

Also the Father is Satan and God is a cricket

The Father literally cries to me that YHWH promised him he could become God. He's the devil king.

Very funny devil king

Anyway good luck to you all and HAIL CAESAR
Anonymous No.40957407 >>40957416
>>40957400
I promise you, you have never had the Holy Spirit. You are a liar and are easily dismissed. Don't bother responding, I have you filtered.
Aten !LYEuHuoDEM No.40957411 >>40957537
>>40957400
For example if I say OOGA BOOGA PEWDIEPIE, a learned elder might respond, "That's Belzebub" (i.e. gibberish).

You can see I'm with the Spirit

But if the King consents to Belzebub, it conjures the Holy Spirit

There's actually no way to argue with Jesus because he doesn't speak language. That's why he teamed up with Obama to create the Obama Nation of Desolation
Aten !LYEuHuoDEM No.40957416
>>40957407
Righteous son of the devil king

Whoever filters me cannot know what I am saying
Anonymous No.40957537 >>40958231
>>40957411
>>40957400
Makes as much sense as Christianity
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Aten !LYEuHuoDEM No.40958231
>>40957537
Yes it's Belzebub
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Anonymous No.40960462 >>40960486
>>40952000 (OP)
>What does it mean to be made in the image of God
It means we are smart enough to understand shit animals can't understand, but powerless enough to change our state of limitation. It means you are capable of having some idea of the intensity that God is fucking you in the ass. You know that you are a mortal and not a god or God. It means you are completely aware of many limitations and that you are a slave. This is what the image is. A representation of something. We represent God, but we are not God. It's a curse and a blessing. It's a blessing because you are above the animals, but it's a curse because forever in bondage we will be. Forever locked in a system which we have no saying in its code. To me, knowing that God limited us to be what we are make me sad because there are things which I wish I could experience, but I know I can't because of my human limitation. Being the image of God means you have some power, but no ultimate power. You can do a lot of things, but you are still answering God and you gotta "work".
Anonymous No.40960486 >>40960587 >>40962404
>>40960462
But what about proto humans? Were they partially made in God's image? Because as far as I can tell they were partially able to understand those things
I think understanding those concepts is a spectrum not binary
But being made in God's image seems binary not like a spectrum
Anonymous No.40960587 >>40962239 >>40962344
>>40960486
I don't think I can help you with that question. Sorry. But the first human beings were smarter and stronger than us. Less technological? Maybe. But they lived a primordial state where everything was clean new. A virgin world so to speak.
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Anonymous No.40962239 >>40962344 >>40965728
>>40960587
>he first human beings were smarter and stronger than us.

Proof?
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>>40960587
>>40962239
I could believe they were stronger but not smarter
Anonymous No.40962404 >>40962523
>>40960486
The problem here is a threshold in the spectrum. At what point does decision-making, memory, empathy, intelligence and other psychological capabilities, all of which are in a spectrum, coalesce into a transition from not being able to meaningfully choose between good and evil, to being able to? Unfortunately, the devil's in the "meaningfully" part, meaningful to whom? Meaningful to whomever is judging and making moral laws and defining what's good and bad, at least, as the judge must decide who is capable of following laws and who isn't. For Christians, that judge is God, so it means that God considered the proto-humans to have evolved enough when they were able to make moral decisions with sufficient capability to follow His laws. This also means that the precise point at which a proto-human is considered "evolved enough", to have passed the threshold in the spectrum, is not known to us, but only to God.

Make of it what you will, me not christian anyway.
Anonymous No.40962523 >>40962697
>>40962404
I agree to that but all of this seems like good evidence Christianity or at least inerrancy classical theism Christianity is false.
Christians are supposed to be moral realists but this just seems like god has some arbitrary preferences just like everyone else
Anonymous No.40962697 >>40962717 >>40962951
>>40962523
Dunno, I prefer the interpretation that religions are humanity's ways of dealing (or coping) with meaningless suffering and absurdity that is present in this world. Christians believe in Jesus as He gave them a path to salvation, and they have faith that this path is true even if other religions promise the same. This means that ultimately they submit to this path and God's view of things. Whatever morality that is taught by the Church supersedes any other moral considerations, and the former essentially is "fear and obey God, everything else is meaningless". Again, I'm no Christian, but I doubt Christians would find this any different from what they're already doing: God always makes the rules for them, even if the rules seem arbitrary.

Perhaps the natural law moralists in the Catholic tradition have a more nuanced and rigorous view of exactly what the threshold between non-human and human in the evolution of humanity consists of, but I don't know.
Anonymous No.40962717 >>40962951
>>40962697
To add, most of the Protestants and all of the Orthodox do not subscribe to natural law morality and instead merely follow the "God makes rules, we follow" idea (divine command theory, unless I got my stuff mixed up).
Anonymous No.40962951 >>40971823
>>40962697
>>40962717
It's unfortunate because if they were just theists instead of Christians they could believe in a different kind of morality that makes more sense and is more compatible with moral realism. Maybe something simple like utilitarianism or virtue ethics
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Anonymous No.40965337 >>40965482
>>40952000 (OP)
What I find to be bizarre regarding God vs. Evolution is if you back away from religion and look into NDEs, astral projection, drug-induced experiences, etc. is that none that I've read have ever explained why this creation (the material realm and "life" itself) is the way it is.
You can argue that life could be anything and we could still be thinking "why is it the way it is?" since we have no real conception of anything beyond what we know so far about life in and out in most instances.
However, it still puzzles me that evolutionary history isn't really ever addressed at all in regards to these experiences. They say that this is one of the best forms that a higher consciousness could embody, but how? Why? It could've been anything. Why did we let it progress the way it did if collective consciousness played a role into manifesting what we perceive now? I'd like to know..
Anonymous No.40965482
>>40965337
Maybe because NDEs, astral projection and drug induced psychosis don't reveal any spiritual truths
Anonymous No.40965728 >>40965880
>>40962239
If we take as truth that the first human beings were in touch with the primordial forces which created this reality and also having in mind the concept of the DNA and how it is decaying as the eras come and go, which is also a law, the law of decay, everything in this world decays, they call this time ir chronos or whatever tradition. So, having all this and more in mind it is clearly that the first human beings had better DNA than us. The fact that the world was brand new means there was not polution on the earth. There were no bad chemicals on the water, byproducts of human waste and shit, there was no poison in the air and shit like that. You dig, bro? They had better health than us. The men had more testosterone and stuff like that. They had to eat unprocessed food. Their bodies did ingest more poteins and all that jazz in a higher quantity than we do now. Now we like to fry food and we do all sorts of chemical procedures on the food. A lot of good protein and shit gets destroyed in that process. The food tastes better, sure, but it is bad for your health. Don't take my word for it. You don't have to believe in the spiritual part, but the fact that our DNA is decaying is a fact. Now, they were also smarter than us because at that time the truth was clearer to comprehend. There wasn't, like, 10000 religions all over the world. As time passes then the people gets more and more corrupt and this is natural because it follows the law of decay. Who is smater a person who really knows the truth or Bill fucking Gates? You tell me.
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>>40965728
There's still poison in the water back then anon stuff like hard water
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Anonymous No.40970667 >>40970727
Gorillas are just actors in fur suits
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>>40970667
If only
Anonymous No.40970738 >>40970774
>>40955288
It has to do with our body and shape. Angels don't look like humans.
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>>40970738
Are Australian Aboriginal people, San (also known as Bushmen) people of southern Africa, and certain Pygmy groups (such as the Mbuti or Aka) in Central Africa made in God's image?
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Anonymous No.40971823 >>40971856
>>40962951
Perhaps, but the most devout and religious Christians I know who aren’t doing it for nefarious reasons practice the religion as they had a convincing mystical experience of some sort that made them realize it’s true, their equivalent of Thomas putting his finger in the hole in Jesus’ hand created by the nails of the crucifixion. They had an experience that for them was sufficient evidence of the Christian God and the legitimacy of the Church, so they don’t have a problem following its ethics.

If they were simply approaching God via philosophy, other forms of ethics would be more appealing.
Anonymous No.40971856
>>40971823
Sure but people are extremely convinced of other religions which are obviously false like Islam so much so they're willing to do suicide bombings for it.
Anonymous No.40971882
>>40952159
Insane you call a book truth. You dont know the meaning. Makes no difference.
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CHRIST IS KING !0XZ0WhL5lk No.40973318
>>40952000 (OP)
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Anonymous No.40973467 >>40973556
>>40952000 (OP)
Christianity is the belief that God has both mouth and asshole, coz he needs to eat and shit, I guess?

All religiousfags are fucking subhuman level retards and should be fucking pogrommed
Anonymous No.40973556
>>40973467
Out of all the major world religions I think Christianity is the most likely to be true with Hinduism being the second most likely.
However I still think regular theism is more likely then both and there's still like an at least 30 percent chance atheism is true
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Anonymous No.40974699 >>40974779
>>40952000 (OP)
Humans have the active potential to be in personal relationship with God, animals don't have the minds to do such a thing. Angels are also image bearers, and aliens may be also if they exist. God is of course triune and inherently relational, hence the image/likeness
Anonymous No.40974779 >>40974938
>>40974699
>Humans have the active potential to be in personal relationship with God,

How does a human missing significant amounts of their brain who isn't able to reason have the potential to be in a personal relationship with God but a pig does not?
Why isn't it possible in the future for scientists to breed or modify pigs into being able to have a personal relationship with God by making them intelligent enough to reason and whatnot? They'd just need larger more complex brains. Proto humans didn't have them but eventually evolved to have them so why can't pigs?
If in the future scientists could make a human who isn't able to reason because they're missing significant amounts of their brain able to reason by growing them new brain tissue in a lab and transplanting it onto their existing brain so they have a bigger brain that can now reason, why can't they do something similar with a pig?
Anonymous No.40974938 >>40975082
>>40974779
Hence the distinction of active vs passive potential, not to mention the restorative afterlife and the soul. Nothing bars animals from attaining person hood but that's only a passive potential not an active one in their nature
Anonymous No.40975082 >>40975198
>>40974938
>Distinction of active vs passive potential, not to mention the restorative afterlife and the soul. Nothing bars animals from attaining person hood but that's only a passive potential not an active one in their nature

What do you mean by passive, active and nature in this context?
This sounds like Catholic or Orthodox pilpul
Anonymous No.40975198 >>40975393 >>40975460
>>40975082
In the sense that a pig isn't defective for being unable to speak, but a human is. Humans by nature are meant to be capable of relationship while animals aren't, you'd need to modify them.
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>>40975198
>In the sense that a pig isn't defective for being unable to speak, but a human is. Humans by nature are meant to be capable of relationship while animals aren't, you'd need to modify them.

This seems arbitrary. Being capable of a relationship with God seems like a spectrum not binary
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>>40975198
You need to "modify" humans with technology like language for them to be capable of relationship
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Anonymous No.40978280 >>40978441 >>40978441 >>40978442 >>40978442
>>40953200
Oh so cancer was intelligently designed? What about our inability to see the majority of the electromagnetic spectrum, what was that designed for?
Autism?
Parkinsons?
Measels?
Tuberculosis?
These all came with evolution but somehow this isn't proof of nature throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. This is proof God is a fucking asshole who likes to give cancer to children?

>>40956874
>That's the beauty of faith, we can just make up whatever the fuck we want and have insane claims with no evidence because we can just default to faith!

Did faith give those children cancer? Was that part of God's love?
Anonymous No.40978441
>>40978280
>>40978280
I'm an agnostic atheist but I see no issue for theism that children have cancer. It's the parents fault and the fault of the adults in society that the children have cancer due to the diet the children were fed, the environment they grew up in etc etc
It's adults using their free will and a moral failing on their part, mostly the child's parents.
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>>40978280
>>40978280
I'm an agnostic atheist but I see no issue for theism that children have cancer. It's the parents fault and the fault of the adults in society that the children have cancer due to the diet the children were fed, the environment they grew up in etc etc
It's adults using their free will and a moral failing on their part, mostly the child's parents.
Anonymous No.40978636
Why should I accept a scientific theory when for all we could know, it could be completely disproven and a new scientific could replace it? God is unchanging and if you aren't some form of protestant, whatever sect of christianity will always have the same doctrines and dogma, but science has shown to change and that is by design. Frankly, I am more skeptical of science as a result whereas I see Christianity as far more fundamental than knowing particular things about the created world.
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>>40952000 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ecNe7eS-F8&list=RD-ecNe7eS-F8&start_radio=1
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5. For I know that violence must increase on the earth,
And a great chastisement be executed on the earth,
And all unrighteousness come to an end:

Yea, it shall be cut off from its roots,
And its whole structure be destroyed.

6. And unrighteousness shall again be consummated on the earth,
And all the deeds of unrighteousness and of violence
And transgression shall prevail in a twofold degree.

7. And when sin and unrighteousness and blasphemy
And violence in all kinds of deeds increase,
And apostasy and transgression and uncleanness increase, p. 131

A great chastisement shall come from heaven upon all these,
And the holy Lord will come forth with wrath and chastisement
To execute judgement on earth.

8. In those days violence shall be cut off from its roots,
And the roots of unrighteousness together with deceit,
And they shall be destroyed from under heaven.

9. And all the idols of the heathen shall be abandoned,
And the temples burned with fire,
And they shall remove them from the whole earth,

And they (i.e. the heathen) shall be cast into the judgement of fire,
And shall perish in wrath and in grievous judgement for ever.

10. And the righteous shall arise from their sleep,
And wisdom shall arise and be given unto them.
Anonymous No.40978785
[11. And after that the roots of unrighteousness shall be cut off, and the sinners shall be destroyed by the sword . . . shall be cut off from the blasphemers in every place, and those who plan violence and those who commit blasphemy shall perish by the sword.]

18. And now I tell you, my sons, and show you
The paths of righteousness and the paths of violence.
Yea, I will show them to you again
That ye may know what will come to pass.

19. And now, hearken unto me, my sons,
And walk in the paths of righteousness,
And walk not in the paths of violence;
For all who walk in the paths of unrighteousness shall perish for ever.'
Anonymous No.40979034
Christianity is dead
Anonymous No.40979179
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Anonymous No.40981743 >>40983590
>>40952000 (OP)
If god was real, you shouldn't believe in him and his teachings, because it would disprove the value of free will.
In fact if you're from a religion based of the bible, you should live your life believing that is not you who should believe in god but the opposite, that he believes in you and your capacity to do good despite the freedom to harm those around.
To live a life of good actions that benefit you and those around you.
To be made in his image is to be shaped by his morals and ideologies. We, unlike animals, are free to think of the world around and the impact our actions cause on the greater scheme of things.
Humanity evolved from animals based around social and group bonding rather than ecological niches that require to be fill by someone, quite in fact if you were to ask an anthropologist or biologist, what purpose humanity fill in a natural system of flora and fauna their answers would be mostly undefined.
Most of human evolution was based around society and morality, the vast majority of our adaptations beside cardiopulmonary and hairless physiology, are integrations of morality and the nature of interactions with others of our species.
As humans, evolution converges into the image of god, because we were gifted the superior ideologies of existence, rather than mere survival and triving against nature.
To be human is to be free of thinking and of action.
To be made in the image of god is to embrace prosperity and growth that sustained Society, for they are the gifts of rationale given to humanity.
Anonymous No.40983590
>>40981743
So just be good because it's the right thing to do not because you want to avoid hell/ annihilationism and go to heaven
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Anonymous No.40985065 >>40985150
>>40952000 (OP)
>What does it mean to be made in the image of God
That we literally look like him, not physically, but our form is like his, bipedal, hands, fingers, hair
You get the idea
>How do you know and why does it matter?
What? Your question makes no sense, you're the only one in existence pondering that question to yourself, no one "cares" because we all accept what we are
>We see God saying which animals to eat and which ones not
I don't know Truth be told, God works in mysterious ways and I've experienced that in the flesh
That was old testament, in the new one you can eat anything except blood because God will demand every drop of blood at the end
It's only Jesus deniers like the Jews and Mormons who don't believe in the new testament, the ones that keep themselves from eating pork and stuff
>The pigs
I've no idea, but since God works in mysterious ways, maybe that needed to happen to show the villagers and to spread word of his deeds back then
>Christianity vs evolution
God made Adam and eve (and Lilith)
And then he sent Adam and eve to earth after the sin, but it's stated that Adam "met" eve here on earth and they had kids
That always throws me off, he "met" eve? Didn't they already come together?
Did God erase their memories of Eden? And if so, it sounds like they weren't the only humans?
I have the theory that god made animals and let them evolve on earth, while in Eden he has his garden with Adam and eve
Monkeys evolved into Lucy and stuff, neanderthals and cavemen, etc. until they evolved to man
THEN
He kicked Adam and eve (sons of god) to earth to live among evolved men (monkey dna)
However God destined both of them to be together and have kids, to prevent them from fall in love or have sex with other humans
THEN
He finally let their descendants mix with evolved men
Now there's 2 outcomes out of this
It's stated in the book of Noah there were giants in those days and rain didn't exist, but steam came out of the ground to wet the land
Cont.
Anonymous No.40985150
>>40985065
Cont.
>Outcomes
There are more than 2 my bad
>1
Either the giants and many other mythical creatures are variations caused by the divine blood of Adam and eve (eve and her descendants birthing mythical and weird creatures) and more variations came when mixing with monkey men
>2
Giants were already here and god let mythical/magical creatures be born and evolve with the rest of the animals (pegasus, giants, unicorns, etc.) and they simply died off, or hid, or God commanded all of them to stay out of sight of humans today or locked them out of this reality
>3
The giants and mythical creatures are mixed descendants from demons
Remember the betrayal of Lucifer happened a long time before Adam an eve, and even if it was after, you gotta understand Eden didn't happen in a year or two
Trillions of years probably happened before Adam and eve got kicked out of Eden, remember they were immortal and eternal while in the garden
This could've given earth time to evolve it's creatures, and the demons to mix with animals or monkey humans (both literally monkeys and the evolved modern man)
Besides having Lilith to give birth to their demon spawn
On top of God cursing the fallen angels (demons) by changing their beautiful forms into ugly looking animals and creatures of weird ugly shapes, which probably rewrote their entire DNA and structure, which also made their descendants be born with weird shapes depending on the species they mated with (human, monkey, animal, Lilith, other female descendant demon spawn as Lilith was the only demon female as there are no female angels)
Besides you don't know if demons could change their anatomy to that of a female and they fucked each other to give birth (probably yes)
I'm sure there's lots of genetic degeneracy out there but at some point God probably commanded everything to be in a different plane of reality so as to not interact with us
The world is very surreal, history is fake and fucked up, but the world is also very beautiful