Thread 40953330

>Tell me about your spiritual and esoteric traditions, and how you came to your conclusions about life.
For example, I'm not talking about texts to read, but about your personal experiences.
>How did you come to the conclusion that reincarnation is real?
>How do you remember certain reincarnations?
And if you have anything else to share, please let me know.

People who know reincarnations don't "believe" in it. It's maybe true maybe not, nobody knows. Except the ones who actually directed their own consciousness towards remembering past lives. And that's less than one tenth of a percent in the golden age and practically no one currently. The world is healing. Judgement is close. Shiva is called the judge, in Hinduism. Whoever will do the judging isn't important. What you believe isn't important. Saint John is reported to have said love. If people had love they didn't need anything else. Jesus was an ascended yogi mystic.

>>40953402
What you say about Shiva, judgment, and love is interesting. You seem to have a vision that blends several traditions, a bit like a common thread between them. Can you explain to me how you came to these conclusions? Is it through direct experience (meditation, visions, dreams, etc.) or rather through intuition?

Psychedelics lead me to believe my consciousness is woven into the fabric of reality. It made me realize I always have been and always will be. I have been an awareness for all eternity. The form has only changed over time. I am an ever present moment.My fundamental essence is like the energy that forms the basis of matter. It can be neither created nor destroyed

>>40953442
I came to them through contemplation mostly. I see what I contemplate visually in imagination and that gives me certain insight as well so vision yes also.

>>40953449
Afterwards, don't you think that precisely under psychedelics, you are no longer in a state, let's say sober. And suddenly the experiences that you live have the impression that they are real, but in fact it is your brain that bugs. And suddenly it captures information that does not correspond to reality. Have you imagined at least this hypothesis or not? Without me saying what you experienced is false. And if you speak of the principle that your consciousness is eternal and immortal, we will say, God would have, would have given you this capacity. And if, we will say, you speak of the principle that time does not exist, or that you cannot be destroyed, how is it, we will say, that your body can die?

>>40953469
Was it with your eyes open or closed?
And we'll say it was in a dream state, a semi-dream state, where we'll say you were truly aware of what was happening to you.

>>40953330 (OP) the system will play against you in your own tricks, sometimes you won't notice it, everything around you is being modernized, even the immaterial, you will blindly follow what is offered to you, but you will never even be given a taste of the truth, because a lie is its great fortress

>>40953479
Oh right no no. Not visions except that one time I saw heaven and angels surrounding the entrance of heaven like a big hole in the sky white and clouds and all that. Visions as in sight through the mental faculty. Imagination. Not supernatural visions. Contemplation simply put is my means through which I arrived at the conclusions, I believe Jesus taught Hinduism such as born again being an obvious wording for Twice-born entry into Hinduism.

>>40953501 it was surreal there are no comparisons of another world with ours, your visions are overexcitement from adolescence or deception

>>40953330 (OP)
have you ever read the heliand ( old saxony for the healer) , its a book about jesus and odin

>>40953501
Except that Hinduism is much older than Christianity. Hinduism is something like 5,000 years ago, even 6,000 years ago. It's even before the Jews, Judaism. Whereas the arrival of Jesus, historically, is 2,000 years ago.

Sometimes, when we stare at something for too long, in contemplation, we see our white blood cells around our eyes, so is that perhaps what you saw? And why do you think we could perceive angels, let's say, with long meditation? Why wouldn't we see them naturally?

>>40953519
No, I haven't read it. I usually stick to Catholic works. But it's amazing to see that Christ has been represented in all sorts of ways. Whether in Hinduism, Odinism, Islam, Gnosticism. It's just that... He transcends all religions. And it's beautiful. It's as if all of humanity is in agreement.

>>40953474
>And if you speak of the principle that your consciousness is eternal and immortal, we will say, God would have, would have given you this capacity. And if, we will say, you speak of the principle that time does not exist, or that you cannot be destroyed, how is it, we will say, that your body can die?

Well, it's not that the psychedelics put my mind into an illusion. It's more like they forced me to face an uncomfortable truth. It's like I was shown a mathematical or logical truth, and I can't understand or unknown it.

As for God, I realized I am a tiny fragment of God. We all are. We are all pieces of a universal, eternal psyche.

The whole thing is uncomfortable, because I'm doing what I've always done and will do. It puts me in a place of both insignificance and great significance at the same time. What I do matters. It reflects harmony in the universe. But at the same time, I'm doing what I've always done. It puts me on a cosmic tight rope.

I'm a Christian too, but I'm weird. I'll give you the tl;dr version.
>omnipotence, being a god, being perfect, experiencing heaven without dying these are all Biblical and achievable (can provide chapter and verse)
>The Sabbath is Saturday, Constantine fucked everyone up by remaking the 7 day week
>A lot of the stuff Jesus teaches directly is stuff hinted at in other religions with different terminology (Nirvana/Buddhahood/enlightenment is all easy if you do what Jesus says)
>God is real but God made various religions for every type of people so no religion or denomination is 100% correct but Christianity was designed for everyone on earth so it's the "best". It's also the simplest instructions for doing the big think and ascending

>>40953520
I just saw some sort of vision just a moment and it was gone. It was clear and gave me good feelings but I'm not christian I never was christian. I believe Hinduism degenerated at the time of the Gotama Buddha (around 3000 BC) and Jesus learned the teachings possibly or incarnated directly with the complete knowledge in him, and taught it. Gnosticism is the last thing we have from that original teachings, the christians made up a lot of stuff so the teaching is not gnostic teachings I mean are not fully recognizable from the biblical new testament.

>>40953540
I'm thinking that perhaps the feeling you had of being a divine fragment, or something like that, comes from the fact that you were in a state between life and death. And in that state, God sent you a kind of news flash, to make you understand that you were created by Him, that there is indeed a Creator behind this universe. The psychedelic may have amplified this, to the point of making you believe you were a divine part. But in reality, perhaps you simply felt a kind of energetic charge that's difficult to describe that revealed to you that you come from God.
It reminds me of people who have attempted suicide: often, before the act, they no longer value life. But when their attempt fails, they completely change their perspective. Even if some remain marked for life, for example, someone who shoots themselves and remains disfigured, paradoxically, many no longer want to die afterward. I don't know if you see what I mean.

>>40953535
I second this. I'm -> >>40953547

>>40953540
>It's like I was shown a mathematical or logical truth, and I can't understand or unknown it.

I was shown a logical truth and can't unlearn or unknow it now'

>>40953581
Psychedelics without proper instruction mostly just damage your brain you've acquired zero knowledge about the supernatural

>>40953540
>>40953581
In fact, with psychedelics, the principle is that they amplify things you already have within you, sometimes to the point of hyperbolization, exaggeration. As a result, it's easy to mistake them for absolute truths. I think that, for most people, psychedelics bring out spiritual elements, but often linked to the religion or culture of their own people, and not necessarily to external or universal realities.
You could compare it to hacking a computer: you install malicious files, and Windows mistakes them for normal files, when in reality they're stealing your data. For me, it's a bit similar with psychedelics: the unfortunate thing is that you need an external element to reveal what's already within you. In other words, you have to be placed in an altered state of consciousness for it to come out.

>>40953542
I don't know exactly the difference between Buddhism and Hinduism. If you can tell me in a few sentences, and tell me as a Hindu, why Buddhism is not true.

>>40953330 (OP)
why dont you stick to your strict BDSM doctrine like you're supposed to.

>>40953577
>It reminds me of people who have attempted suicide: often, before the act, they no longer value life. But when their attempt fails, they completely change their perspective. Even if some remain marked for life, for example,

Yah, it is likely similar to what you say. There is a kind of ordeal in it that forces a change in perspective. It goes deeper than that though. I realize my consciousness is God itself, not that I am God. My ego is certainly not God anymore than a chair is the universe. I realize consciousness is truly divine, and that it is my true self beyond my temporal, temporary ego self., Experiential reality is the foundation of reality. It's the stage, where ego and object or the furniature.The substance of conscious experience ultimately points back to God though and is an inextricable part of it. Just like how the chair itself is not the whole universe, it still is a necessary part of it It's part of the stage set. I depend on God to exist, but also God needs us to exist too. There's a transpersonal relationship we all have with God. Were necessary for defining God. We are part of His shadow, so to speak, of God.

>>40953542
Thank you for your perspective; it's interesting.
For me, some of the things you say don't really fit with what we know historically and biblically. For example:

>The first Christians already met on Sundays, long before Constantine, because it was the day of Jesus' resurrection.

>The similarities between Jesus and other religions don't necessarily mean that he copied them: ideas can be similar without having the same meaning.

>And if God really exists, I think he can't contradict himself by giving different truths to each religion; for me, either there is an objective truth, or everything is equal and nothing really makes sense anymore.

In short, I respect your vision, but mine is different: I believe that Jesus' message is unique and coherent in itself.

>>40953634
I'm by no means an expert but my understanding is.
>Hinduism is much older
>Buddhism started with a guy who used Hindu like self denial practices to get enlightenment
I think of it like eastern Judaism/Christianity.

>>40953646
Jesus's life story is synonymous with the Sun's annual journey. It even dies for three days on a cross every year on December 22nd.

So the shift from Saturday to Sunday makes sense as the focus is on Jesus but it is technically a violation of the 10 commandments, I don't think God cares though.

God doesn't contradict himself by giving different rules and cultures to different peoples, it's enforced biblically, a God of division.

Also I don't think Jesus copied anyone, i think he had a God download of info from birth.
But I do think other people on earth learned similar things from observing creation and occasional miracles/dreams/revelations etc so much so that there is a central thruline of all religions.

>>40953645
So you would be more into pantheism, I think. But... So, how would you explain the creation of the universe and the Earth? And... I think that even if we were to ask all human beings to create a new Earth, I don't think it's feasible. Because there needs to be a force above, a creator, that could create. Human beings, we are simply capable of assembling elements that God has created at our disposal, and God has given us the intelligence necessary to build certain things and others not. So I don't think God needs us. Afterwards, I respect your beliefs

>>40953626
>As a result, it's easy to mistake them for absolute truths. I think that, for most people, psychedelics bring out spiritual elements, but often linked to the religion or culture of their own people, and not necessarily to external or universal realities.

I agree these are factors. For me though, it really put me in touch with a truth that I was trained to completely ignore by my overly exoteric culture. It's that there is something very divine about the substance of conscious experience. It's like I couldn't see the Forrest for the trees, and then bam. My conscious experience is a key fixture of the universe. Your conscious experience is key fixture of the universe. I've been getting taught my whole life it's all about molecules and orbits and objects. It showed me that my consciousness is the elephant in the room Being itself is the thing, is how we actually interface reality, how reality interfaces itself. And it was all like, Ahhhhhhhh. I'm part of it, and I can't not be part of it. Ahhhhhhhhh. You know. I'm on this roller coaster forever. Ahhhhhhh. For emphasis.

>>40953649
I don't think the truth changes. But if we take the first human beings on Earth, among the first religions of man, there was animism. And yet, we didn't adopt this religion. There was also gnosis, the search for knowledge, meditation, the laws of the universe. So, if we take the oldest religions, it's not Hinduism. 6,000 years on the scale of humanity, that's not much. So, according to your spiritual research, what makes Hinduism the reality? Because I think that people follow the religion of their ancestors as a cultural aspect, to get closer to them, to not cut the link, but not as an aspect of the search for truth.

>>40953704
I'm not saying Hinduism is the truth because it's older.
I'm Christian, I don't know much about Hinduism.
But I think if an informed open minded Christian and Hindu compared notes they'd fine many similarities.
Mostly things self evident in creation and human nature, only the surface level cultural stuff like
>should we circumcise or nah
kind of stuff changes

>>40953672
>So you would be more into pantheism, I think. But... So, how would you explain the creation of the universe and the Earth? And... I think that even if we were to ask all human beings to create a new Earth, I don't think it's feasible. Because there needs to be a force above, a creator, that could create. Human beings, we are simply capable of assembling elements that God has created at our disposal, and God has given us the intelligence necessary to build certain things and others not. So I don't think God needs us. Afterwards, I respect your beliefs

I like the term panpsychist. It's a set of concepts I've recently come across that I think describes reality accurately. I agree God doesn't really need us at the end of the day. God is like the head, the Godhead. Were like the God toes though, or at least like the epidermis or callous. Creation helps define God. In the end, I think we will all merge back with the Godhead and be one pure consciousness. However, for the time being, the contrast is necessary. I think this relationship will ossolate forever. We will go through epovhs of timelessness and periods of time. Timelessness is oneness Time is contrast.