Thread 40957915

ITT post red pills on how were living in a future dystopia. also your favorite cyberpunk dick influenced media.
no demiurge glowies.

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away

>>40958080

>"Go away, machine spirit." :p
>does not go away

Jup. Must be real then.

>>40957915 (OP)
Electric Dreams on Amazon Prime was really good
I liked the episode "Autofac", which is basically about this AI run factory that produces useless consumer shit is using all the resources on the planet and it's killing people to keep producing useless shit

>>40958080
Easy to say for a man with all of his sense-organs intact. For somone deaf, blind, and dumb, that statement is meaningless, as they have no sense-data, their entire existence is propped up by belief all the way down.
Sense-data is the fucking veil.

>>40958522
im binge watching all the stuff connected to his works. i was Watching the man in the high castle. i wanted to see Electric Dreams but Amazon has expired it. im watching Blade runner ATM. this guy knew wtf he was talking about. im gonna have to read and listen to his books aswell

>>40958080
all realities are happening simultaneously

I have all his books, many first editions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbYiXyRZjM

>>40958839
Yeah seriously, I haven't read any of his books, but all the film adaptations of his works I really liked, Man In The High Castle is great
It's amazing how he came up with so many unique and interesting stories

>>40958994
have you read all his books?? thats dope asf. which books do you really recommend. I heard a snippet of this speech on Sam tripoli's doomscrolling on YT. and thats what sparked my curiosity on Mr. Dick again. i had heard of him but the part where he talks about the Matrix and all Realities existing at the same time was Wild and /x/ pilled ASF we need more dick appreciation threads

>>40959041
he's one of the most famous actual real schizos not some new age charlatan which are many in this field. I was watching a documentary type video on wierd coincidences in his life some real esoteric stuff and he believed in the Demiurge. I'm watching Total Recall Atm. the Schwazernegger one

>>40958994
I'm new to his work. What books should I start with? I read a bit of his Exegesis notes at a bookstore years back and my brain got completed scrambled for the rest of that day.

>>40957915 (OP)
What did he experience? I want to read.

>>40957915 (OP)
Found this.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://philipdick.com/mirror/essays/apocalypticphillipkdick.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi1xoj2oqKPAxWM6ckDHSTgC8EQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1xSEfkVjtVJwuibyNERWNF

Read PKD's Valis for a mind bending experience.
https://cdn.bookey.app/files/pdf/book/en/valis.pdf

>>40959380
Haven't read all, maybe 1/2. Valis Trilogy is very good. Ubik was a favorite. Even his light stuff was excellent compared to his peers and other sci-fi writers, PDK was very gifted with conversational speech but blessed to be able to write down what his mind saw.
>>40959408
Start at the beginning with Solar Lottery, his 50s-60s era books and short story collections are easy and fun reads. I don't know of any other scifi writer that had as many movies made from his writings.

He was beyond visionary, the counter-culture answer to Arthur C. Clarke. He wrote about things that would become part of every day life decades later. I think him being the twin that survived damaged his psyche, but also gave him sight into different worlds.

>>40959408
I got hugely into PKD on a random whim and it completely changed my reading habits in the best of ways. His books are so entertaining and bizarre you’ll chew through them.

Everyone recommends starting with UBIK, which is what I did - and yeah it’s prob the best starter. BUT you need to keep in mind it’s not his best book and you should def read Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch as your second PKD book. Then after that I’d read Scanner Darkly.

>>40960000
My recommended reading order:
UBIK, 3 stigmata, scanner darkly, flow my tears, do androids dream, Martian time slip - anything after these, have fun

>>40959815
I read this in my early 20s and it blew my fucking mind. It almost felt like a psychedelic trip just reading it.

>>40957915 (OP)

He was doing the will of Valis. This is how it speaks to us now, through people. The old system was angry sky god holograms. So he was like Jesus, and many others.

>>40960061
Funny you say this bc I read essentially all of PKD’s catalogue but I could NOT get through Valis. I tried 3 times and every time when he starts talking about the Roman Empire I lose grasp. Why do you like it so much? I’m curious

>>40958994
the exegesis audiobook was unlistenable. every 5 fucking minutes, the "authors" would literally chime in with a fucking bell to either pull a "well ackshually" with his writing or some other bullshit. its like they were just picking it all apart and using it for their own gain. fucking sacks of shit.

the print version is nice.

>>40960000
The Second Variety snuck up on me during a bike ride once. very good short story.

I had a fucked thing happen with pkd. I read one of his books and the character had the same first & last name as me, and the same stuff was happening to me irl as in the book. I will post about it tomorrow If anyones interested and the thread is still up.

>>40960331
I was in a fasting and thc haze phase a few years back, one of those phases where /x/ types reatreat away from everything and read a ton of books.

during the audiobooks, I think it was VALIS, where at some point the main character understands "the empire never ended" when relating the concept that the romans just sort of moved on to europe to become the aristocracy, then westward to where we are today. it certainly isn't a new concept, but the synchronicity of it such that for about a month prior, I had been thinking 90% the same thoughts as his characters did in the book, shortly before reading it. at the moment when the subconscious of the main character gets loud and exclaims "THE EMPIRE NEVER ENDED", it was one of those moments we get when a synchronicity completes and the *click* happens and the next one starts charging up. they have a sort of pattern to them, how they behave, not necessarily how they manifest.

Galactic Pot Healer did the same thing. the book itself was more or less in my head before I read it.

big item on my bucket list is to digest his Exegesis while stoned and fasting. it will probably take a week to do that.

>>40960331

>the character had the same first & last name as me, and the same stuff was happening to me irl as in the book.


The shoutout phenomenon strikes again.

>>40960425
check it- you and I are chatting in the material world thread about spirit triangles.

>shoutout phenomenon
had this happen hard once. by hard, I mean surprisingly hard. I was reading through the forgotten languages archives, specifically their discussion of the ayylmao Cassini Diskus and using it for translation and all that bullshit. it is more or less a series of communications that we picked up during the Cassini missions.

the hard part is that I had been on that area of study for about 3 months, then felt done with it. about a week later, I go to the donut street down the shop and 2 guys are wearing "Cassini Disc Golf Club" shirts. there is in fact a disc golf course nearby, but that was wayyy to fucking close.

say their names and they appear. say the words and it happens.

>>40960574
thats that synchronicity. Its Jungian. PKD was a jungian aswell from his interview i heard. I mean in the end it seems all high IQ and philosophically inclined individuals think about religion in the meta physical sense. We have to wake up our christ cuck and athiest brothers.

>>40960612
I was supposed to start a conversation with them, but I didn't.

I'm schizophrenic. Is reading a scanner darkly gonna be okay for me? Not too crazy?

philip k DICK

>>40960574
>>40961487

I remember seeing my own name as this dead dude's name that was getting honored with flag being placed in the road. It was weird because normally.most of the shoutout of my name is online.

Also, that other anon I added is another phenomenon I experience where someone will reply to a thread that has been inactive for a while like a minute or do after I looked at it or decide to comment.

>>40957915 (OP)
His spiritual awakening was mistaking the Ichthys, which any modern Christian would recognize, as an obscure Gnostic icon lost to time. I always found that pretty funny,

Dead Rabbit Radio did an episode on him a long time ago about the time traveller who's motorolla cell phone went off during a PKD lecture in the 60s. Weird shit.

>>40961656
wtf isnt crazy that dead rabbit radio is advertising rn on /x/ ima have to give them blokes a visit now. really a cellphone in the 60s tbf the cia had said technology in that era. it was probably a glowie time traveller. possibly the time travel police. Ala time cop. I think 4chan influence can be even more powerful than it is If we statred some Jesuit/SS type orginizations. minus the Catholic and natsoc BS. is there a 4chan secret society thats not gay incels like O9A

>>40961583
i think he ment the message of the symbol was lost. Obviously modern day Christ cucks are not as well versed in said symbols as their Gnostic counterparts. it has a deeper meaning, a meaning clearly lost to the modern day christ cuck church

>>40961583
PKD had visions all his life, party mental illness and partly real interdimensional and divine communication.
Humans can't normally handle such communication as most are too stupid and limited to understand it, PKD was educated and intelligent enough to gain insight yet even he, once you read Valis was taken down a demiurge rabbit hole.

God has spoken to us and that is all we should need.

>>40960425
there is a man who has the same name as me, just missing an S on the tail end of the last name.

>first heard about him about 15 years ago
>we both were in the military, near each other a few times
>never met in person
>he was a medic, I was near him in trashcanistan, that would've been a fun gunshot to receive and get fixed by him
>actually got an email from him on accident when he was emailing some paperwork to himself and goofed the, our, similar email address
>he ended up in veterans therapy in an experimental psychadelic program for the VA
>searching for him online shows that his therapist was part of a cult who had infiltrated the VA and was re-brainwashing veterans with drugs into a sex cult.
>numerous instances of third-party "researchers" getting access to soldiers and veterans and filling them with psychadelics and them having public meltdowns (tesla truck bomber at trump tower as an example)

my near doppleganger is fighting the cult. good for him.

>>40962175
i saw tucker did a show on this. but ive heard that the shroud of turin was Jaques de Molay the Grandmaster of the Knights templar During the time when they were prosecuted and fled to Scotland/Ireland and also the new world. thats what i believe

>>40962244
any links??
theres always a military and brainwashing experiments connected to this

>>40959041
>>40959394
In Galactic Pot Healer (1969), the main character goes to a cubical and waits for work calls. He plays word games with another bored worker in russia over a global network. Little things like that really stick out in his books.

>>40962279

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/vets-accuse-va-therapist-of-abuse-involving-sex-astrology-psychedelic-drugs/2838359/

doppelganger isn't in this article, but it does cover a good introduction to the situation. it got covered up, but it is part of a larger thing that goes on in the military about cults and stuff.

veterans are often recruited into cults and militias for their capability to hyperfocus and operate for days on end with little food, no sleep, and high stress, in addition to being brainwashable psychopaths. they end up in all kinds of places, but for the most part, if a veteran gets involved in some sort of therapy, there is a very high chance they are being brainwashed again, just as a matter of record and fact towards how often it happens. the civilians don't know and don't want to, and most veterans are too stupid to know until it is too late.

a lot of the guys I worked with during my stint as a merc had some sort of story relating to them meeting a therapist, how much they helped them, and then how their life changed into whatever oddball cult situation they get themselves into.

>>40962290
that was my favorite of PKDs stuff. most of his work is a pseudoserious exploration of important philosophical concepts, like A Scanner Darkly and Bladerunner, but GPH was a sort of fun story with antics and the same old soap opera dramas and problems which occur between people occur when dieties join the conversation.

that and The Second Variety.

I really like VALIS but I wasn't too keen on The Man in the High Castle or Android dream of Electric Sheep

>>40962318
crazy this ties in with David mcGowan's Programmed to kill. i also heard you can't be high level military woithout being a high level freemason? what are some crazy shit u saw out there?? Were you red pilled as a merc??

>>40962870
>high level military woithout being a high level freemason?
I met just as many non-freemasons as freemasons in the senior enlisted and officer ranks. getting promoted is more about cannibalism, in the sense that to get promoted beyond just being good at your job, you have to be able to convince other men to go and die. to do that, it requires more or less constant head games and keeping the men constantly on edge and obedient. if you can make other people obedient, you get promoted to seniority. if not, you top out on promotions and watch everyone pass you by.

>what are some crazy shit u saw out there?? Were you red pilled as a merc??
to keep on the thread topic, there wasn't much crazy shit aside from what you see in the ukraine vids. that war is fucking nasty compared to anywhere I was and anyone I was with. towards redpilling, 4channers are generally intelligent towards how shit most of the races of earth are, but they focus mostly on usa and europe. having traveled to 20+ countries, I can tell you that the degenerate races we have here in america are bad, but they are worse overseas. you stop feeling so bad about killing them when you see them fucking animals and children through a drone camera before the missile sends them off to muzzrat heaven.

>>40962870
>David mcGowan's Programmed to kill

vidrel. I posted it a few days ago in /pol/ about how psychopaths will ignore, or not have, emotions and a sense of consequences when they go into a "gray rage". that same mental state, or at least very similar, is required for men to go into battle and kill other men, women, and sometimes children.

as she describes it, psychopathy is not necessarily about being violent and mentally deranged. rather, it is about not having emotions, empathy, a care for others, or a care for consequences of actions. compared to other mental states where people go wild and scream during their violence, psychopaths are generally quiet, methodical, and more or less robotic when they get gray rage. soliders, especially SF soldiers full of modafinil and ambien do that *often*.

the problem is, after a time, the mind starts to accumulate injuries from that way of life and it manifests in extremely odd behavior. you'd think these guys peeked into PKDs world for a while and came back screaming. the guy who blew up the tesla at trump tower was going on about extremely esoteric stuff, which is in my opinion and having gone through a similar fugue state myself, it is eerily similar to the kind of mental states PKD uses in his books, particularly the paranoid fiction work he did for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbzIdxoEI7Y

Phil K Dick is the man.

JJKVJ

>>40957915 (OP)
garden variety PKD chat usually centers around the concepts he explored in his books, being ahead of his time, and blah blah blah. the man was a method writer, as to method acting. to write paranoid fiction well, the author must themselves have experienced it and also came back. you can't do that gonzo, you have to be there first person.

for PKD, some of the more obscure stories about him are how he used to eat dog food all the time because it was cheap and he was a poor writer. iirc, it was between his marriages and during the time period he was running a flop house in the bay area. during that time, he most definitely lived all manner of altered states of consciousness either through drug use, chat with other philosopher types, seeing the effects on others, and all sorts of lab rat style observations of what happens to the human mind in different situations.

his situations involved time travel, drug use, surveillance, and all the typical stuff, but focusing more on the naked exposure of the mind shows up so often in his stories. ask yourself, why does it hit so fucking hard?

because he lived the life his characters. ex. Bob Arctor. did he have a flop house full of characters? did he get his home raided and safe broken by the authorities? was his house bugged? yes. was he identified as a force of culture by the CIA? all yes.

imagine having lived something like that yourself, or any of PKDs wild true stories, and trying to get people to believe you. you have to ficitonalize the experience. communications directly to the mind used to be angelic voices, but it doesn't matter because the only way to express the message is to fictionalize it.

in the end, the irony of PKDs books was that all of the paranoia of his characters, and himself in life, turned out to be true. for a clinical analysis of the more technical aspects of his stories, picrel and link below.

https://www.dukeupress.edu/the-technical-delusion

>>40963165
what do you by picrel??

>>40958608
A man such as that could not simply stop believing in his deafness, his blindness, his dumbness. He cannot choose to see and that will never change or go away. His reality is the absence of what you call sense-data. The means by which you experience (or don't experience) reality does not change the fact that it exists. I don't think it is possible for a human to live a life completely divorced from consensus reality. Not in this world/life.