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Anonymous No.40960711 >>40960730 >>40960767 >>40960862 >>40960878 >>40961592 >>40961719 >>40963838 >>40963862 >>40965244 >>40966151 >>40966167 >>40966167 >>40966432 >>40966723 >>40966745 >>40968075 >>40968612 >>40970521 >>40971429 >>40971509
If God can't mess with free will doesn't that mean you have power over God?
Anonymous No.40960725
I think free will is not as good as modernity makes it to be because the ultimate goal is to lose it whatever side you pick
Anonymous No.40960730
>>40960711 (OP)
I mean you have the emotional leverage over him to destroy yourself but he won't stop you if that's what you really want
Anonymous No.40960737 >>40963870
Kinda. We have the power to disobey Him
Have you heard of Adam and Eve?
Anonymous No.40960767
>>40960711 (OP)
If you have a hamster and you let it do whatever it wants in a sandbox, does that mean the hamster has power over you?
Anonymous No.40960862
>>40960711 (OP)
Where did you get that strange idea from? YHWH forced the Pharaoh to harden his heart to destroy him when the Israelites left Egypt! That's not "free will"!
Anonymous No.40960878 >>40961022
>>40960711 (OP)
Its more like God chooses to make your choices important enough to co-create reality as his own limitation.
Anonymous No.40961022 >>40961529 >>40961587 >>40963784
>>40960878
You really do get more interesting universes with that in mind.
S.I.M No.40961529 >>40961594
>>40961022
that;s the idea. choose your own adventure or something.
just make it up. he does. so you too can, do or do not doesn't matter.

but there is somuch to do?
or you just dont wanta that's a thing too.

he knows, he made it !
me? no i just watch. because watcher, watch.
always watching. but you do the doing or not doing part what ever is interesting part is.
Anonymous No.40961587 >>40969895
>>40961022
Are you having a seizure right now?
Anonymous No.40961592
>>40960711 (OP)
that means that god doesnt exist
Anonymous No.40961594
>>40961529
Meant for (you)
Anonymous No.40961699
i think you need to seek guidance understanding free will within fate. They arent mutally exclusive and work alongside each other
Anonymous No.40961719 >>40963812
>>40960711 (OP)
Big rock no mess with free will. But Grug still no stronger than rock. Rock too big.
Anonymous No.40963784 >>40969944
>>40961022
Yeah, I mean think about how crazy it would be to be the omniscient God and just get to be surprised by stuff.
>You chose what? That thing? I never would have even guessed that.
Anonymous No.40963812
>>40961719
https://youtu.be/TLvT5IybVk8
Anonymous No.40963838
>>40960711 (OP)
>power over God?
not in a way that matters
No one can make god do anything that god doesn't want to do
You can only control yourself and your own actions within the world or to influence others
AnonM No.40963862 >>40966299
>>40960711 (OP)
Haha people talk about free will, it's all an illusion
Anonymous No.40963870 >>40965255 >>40968598
>>40960737
> story about how God gave humans free will
> story already contains free will
> retarded story
Anonymous No.40965244
>>40960711 (OP)
Won't*, to damn those who think they have power over God by having the means to be a nigger and waste everybody's time. Perfect future tense, not just chronology.
Anonymous No.40965255
>>40963870
Knowledge of right and wrong isnt the same as free will, Dingus. The fact that you have an individual perspective of whatever scope you do isn't the question of whether or not you have the means to understand.
mr. bruh its back No.40966151
>>40960711 (OP)
One of the tremendous blunders surrounding the omnipotent God. The human mind simply cannot process such a thing. That's why there are so many discrepancies in the Bible.
huanthus No.40966167 >>40966175
>>40960711 (OP)
>>40960711 (OP)

No, giving us free will doesn’t mean He is unable to act on us; it’s a sign of respect for His creation. It’s not that He can’t—it’s that He gives us the blessing of being able to make decisions for ourselves.
Anonymous No.40966175 >>40966179
>>40966167
Free will is an illusion to make the abused feel empowered even while they're abused.
huanthus No.40966179
>>40966175

Not necessarily, I think. It’s the interpretation of the apparent contradiction according to the dogma of belief in God. I follow Taoism
Anonymous No.40966299
>>40963862
This is closer to the correct answer it seems. Who truly knows though other than God.
Anonymous No.40966432
>>40960711 (OP)
you are a part of God
and you're made from God
Anonymous No.40966723
>>40960711 (OP)
not really. This is a self done nerf by God. Like a dad handicap playing with his kids. The moment the dad realizes that his kid is being a piece of shit, the kid is gonna get time out. Your free will is only powerful because God allows and enforces it.
Anonymous No.40966745
>>40960711 (OP)
at best our free will is flawed
and at worst one could argue we never truly had
Anonymous No.40966808 >>40966820
we don't have free will, we have the illusion of choice... and doing nothing is a choice, but we don't truly have the freedom to do nothing or exist beyond the compounds to be truly free.
Anonymous No.40966820
>>40966808
I believe free will is only this single choice, to worship or "bless" God or to not worship god.. and that is all that it means by free will
Anonymous No.40968075
>>40960711 (OP)
> free will can't exist if your actions today were already predetermined by yesterday's decisions.
Anonymous No.40968598
>>40963870
Fruit of knowledge of Good and Evil == fruit of free will. Free will had to preexist the Command not to eat from the Tree of KoG&E
You didn't even read the cliff notes. Stop picking up /lit/'s bad habits.
Anonymous No.40968612 >>40969906
>>40960711 (OP)
god is your verbal intelligence retard, stop looking for an excuse to absolve yourself of responsibility and regard of others
Anonymous No.40969895
>>40961587
Yes.
Anonymous No.40969906
>>40968612
You're projecting pretty hard there. If anything, within OP's view, he'd be even more responsible for what he's done. Not less.
Anonymous No.40969944
>>40963784
Some people think that's the whole reason he made any of this. I think it might be an aspect of that personally. I also think the actions and effects of higher dimensional entities on lower life forms like us are more periphery than direct.

>Guy simulating our universe in his lab
>Guy gets bad news shortly after he gets to work
>Bad news seeps into some of the parameters of his simulation
>And that's how we got the Old Testament
Anonymous No.40970521
>>40960711 (OP)
No, because if you can choose trail path a or trail path b doesn't matter, the agency to do this is irrelevant compared to the ability to design what each trail is and where it ends up.

If your starting point is ignorance and something controls the context of what you are, how you function and what the context of your environment is, it will ultimately control that entire life regardless of what choice tree you branch off into.

Wants you to have a shitty lame life?? Oh look you keep making choices and for some reason they always end up being wrong or leading to unfavorable circumstances. All the way until you notice the artifical nature of the world.

Or Alternatively it wants your life to be positive or to get some form of positive result?? Hmm how strange that all your decisions seem to end up being correct or leading to circumstances that produce favorable outcomes etc. Etc.

This works either way, try to meet ",moral" friends, how strange they all start warping into criminals or convincing you to do strange self destructive things, or Alternatively oh keep making bad choices?? Why do all these people you thought were adventurous and up to mischief mysteriously have rich family and start trying to manipulate you into doing charity work and offering you easy but lucrative jobs for crazy amounts of money??

Etc. Etc.

Search for love? One way or another?? Oh wow either girls are tripping over themselves and falling from the sky to marry you even when you try to avoid them or you are asking out thousands of women and wouldn't you know it... not a single girl on earth wants to even return a greeting to you.

Etc. Etc.

Free willy pokes fun at this. The whale performed the tricks, he was a nice whale, did what was asked of him and his handlers playing god were unable to give him a heaven... they ultimately ruined keko the whales life, it died alone and alienated/rejected by wild orca pods, got pneumonia and intentionally stopped eating...
Anonymous No.40971429
>>40960711 (OP)
maybe its a holly spirit thing.
Anonymous No.40971509
>>40960711 (OP)
>God makes existence
>God makes rules even he chooses to follow
>Chooses not to manipulate your freewill
Ahh yes the power you have oh mortal