Thread 40967778

Recording engineer at the Monroe Institute and good friends with Bob Monroe.
>why yes I am enlightened and have out of body experiences
>when you have one you will be enlightened like me
>when you become enlightened and spiritually aware your heart will be filled with nothing but love
>when your heart is filled with love you'll just want to help people and the world
>to experience this you just need to purchase my course for $333 teeheee

Is any of this shit real or is it just grifter after grifter?

>>40967778 (OP)
It’s worse than grifters, the OBE shit is real but these dopes have no idea how dangerous it is or why it was always kept secret. It’s like giving a baby a broken mercury fluorescent lamp to play with.

>>40967793
personally i like the analogy of it being like letting your ipad raise your kids, or like selling a 150 bucks phone with 18 months of free pro ai assistant features and a special direct ai assistant button that replaces almost all apps
wait those are also all real yeehonk

>>40967793
>these dopes have no idea how dangerous it is or why it was always kept secret
Right. They gatekeep with money and you gatekeep with fearmongering.

Nothing is immune to grifters but what I've found with my time doing the gatway tapes is that it's an attempt at secularizing woo. Finding the correlations within ecstatic rituals and putting them together under a scientific header. Personally I like it because I can't buy into religion but I'm open to the unknown.

>>40967808
>I can't buy into religion but I'm open to the unknown
Same here

>>40967808
>>40967812
>I can't buy into religion but I'm open to the unknown.
Aphrodite knows. Even if a religion is about the truth it becomes distorted without continuous divine moderation, and the most common ones aren't based on truth.

>>40967833
I dunno I think the call is coming from inside the house. I think the phenomenon is inherently liminal so there's no objective answer to be divined.

>>40967778 (OP)
>to experience this you just need to purchase my course for $333 teeheee

Is that just some audio files? I know they have course at the Monroe institute and I thinks a couple of other locations with authorized/trained people. I think you go there for a weekend or few days, so it's not unreasonable that they'd be charge for that.

>>40967833
What is the truth?

>>40967851
Probably some gay shit like love yourself and dismiss hatred.

>>40967849
https://thetriadmind.com/
https://thetriadmind.com/sf/stage-1-the-triad-mind-cornerstone/stage-1-the-triad-mind-cornerstone/
It's a "6-months access course" which means it's a basic wordpress site that lets you listen to his stuff for 6 months. These people must be making a killing.

>>40967848
>I dunno I think the call is coming from inside the house.
I was given just enough evidence it isn't, seemingly intentionally as me believing made me operate differently.
>>40967851
Truth about what?

>>40967872
>Truth about what?
You said "the most common ones aren't based on truth". What is truth in your opinion? I've never been into any organized religion so I have no bias, I'm just curious.

>>40967872
I think it's a psychic echo that yes anded reality into existence. That higher powers are our own creations as a byproduct of consciousness, tools we used to grasp complex topics like time and awareness.

>>40967878
Some of the Olympian gods exist, and Thor. Odin is based on Zeus. Ishtar is based on Aphrodite (Chronologically preceding but less accurate). I only have bits and pieces.

All the Abrahamic religions are psyops.

>>40967888
I believe all the Abrahamic religions are basically psyops too. But who's to say those other ancient religions weren't psyops to control the masses too?

>>40967894
>who's to say those other ancient religions weren't psyops to control the masses too?
Me, being a prophet of Aphrodite. She's here now.

>>40967910
Did you have a vision or something?

>>40967915
>Did you have a vision or something?
Lots of them, starting with her appearance. It could have hypothetically* been imaginagion until I saw physical magic, which was the aforementioned proof.


*It was clearer than I've ever been capable of just imagining anything though.

>>40967866
>These people must be making a killing.
How many are really buying the course though instead of just downloading hemi sync or whatever?
He'd have to sell hundreds of courses to "make a killing".

Besides, if you really benefit from the stuff, maybe it's worth the $300 for the experience. To each their own.

>>40967933
Fair enough. But imo if you're "trying to help enlighten the world" and come from a place of "pure love" etc., why not just put your stuff on youtube or something and make it accessible to everyone? They can still make money that way but it's also still available to everyone who's truly interested. This dude is obviously a very well off boomer, so why does he need to charge so much for a cheap automated wordpress site that just gives you access to his media? Musicians don't charge $350 for their records.
It doesn't make sense from a basic logical standpoint. Trying to improve the world is not compatible with charging ridiculous amounts of money for such basic stuff.
Is your argument basically: "you're not ready for this stuff unless you're ready to fork over a bunch of money"?

>>40967922
Were you reading about Aphrodite or anything before the visions? How did you know the visions were of Aphrodite?

>>40968070
>Were you reading about Aphrodite or anything before the visions? How did you know the visions were of Aphrodite?
No. She had gold armor and I called her the golden goddess for a few weeks. I figured out that a pleasant bodily feeling was her affirmation of what I did or said, and asked somewhat jokingly "Where would I worship you, the Pantheon?" Nothing. "Mount Olympus?" Yes. Later I pulled up a list of "Greek gods" and asked if she was Athena, nothing. Aphrodite, yes.

>>40968013
$20 dollars is a normal price for a cd. The gateway tapes are 3 CDs per wave. If you're buying the first 4 waves that's 16 CDs so at 20 each that's 320. So their asking price is not totally unreasonable.

>>40968112
I suppose. Honestly, it sounds like you work for them or something.
My argument is... if you're coming from a place of true spiritual enlightenment etc. and truly want to help the world, wouldn't you just give it away for free? Especially if you're already plenty well off? It just doesn't make sense. It's like you keep trying to dodge the real issue I'm bringing up here.

How did he record and mix sessions without nodding off? that shit is deep

>>40968217
hehe

>>40968101
Do you do drugs? No judgement, just curious?

>>40968284
I don't do anyhing illegal, Sir.

>>40968312
Are you 12?

>>40967778 (OP)
No one who has the truth will try and take your money
They don’t need it!

>>40968375
Exactly

>>40967793
There is 0 reason to fear psychedelics of OBE.

These commends are posted by literal federal agents Anons.
These things are dangerous to their system because they make you uncontrollable.
The values and truths you learn on the journey will weaken their system because they enable you to just say "no" to stuff and think outside the box.

>>40968404
100%

>>40968013
>It doesn't make sense from a basic logical standpoint.
Unfortunately we don't live in a utopia where everything is free and spiritual growth take precedence. The world runs on money and everyone's trying to find ways to earn money, whether they're already rich or just try to pay the bills.
I just don't see the point in caring about petty things like this and constantly judging ordinary people when there's real greed and evil in the world to be upset about.

>Musicians don't charge $350 for their records.
No, but do you know what some concert prices are these days?

"Taylor Swift concert ticket prices vary significantly by location, seat, and VIP package, with average prices during the Eras Tour in the U.S. ranging from several hundred to over a thousand dollars, and starting prices in Europe being closer to $300-$400."

>>40968357
No, older than most here I'm guessing. Didn't believe in fairy tales before 2025 either.

>>40968701
You keep trying to make some justification of pop artist income vs new age grifter income. My point is... if you're in it for the money, you're obviously a grifter scumbag. Congrats, you've outed yourself as another anonymous grifter.

>>40968732
You must be working for free then since $350 is a fortune for you.

>>40968790
It's not a fortune to me at all, and I charge a fair wage for my work. I just don't waste my money on stupid bullshit. That's why I'm well off.
You keep trying to dodge the point. I'll ask again, why would someone who's spiritually aware try to make money off of their insights?

>>40968819
So you just feel entitled to his work, while being well off yourself and is mad you can't get it for free because you assume he's a rich greedy boomer. Apparently it's also just basic stupid bullshit he's selling, which makes it even more complexing why you're upset about it or want it...

The good news is that real spiritual enlightenment is free and there are many free sources to learn from to can help you on the way.

>>40968985
>The good news is that real spiritual enlightenment is free and there are many free sources to learn from to can help you on the way.
My point exactly. I'll be ignoring that greedy faggot boomer.

Just sniff glue like Monroe did in the early days

>>40967805
Keeping the gate is a literal requirement to access knowledge behind it. "Occult" isn't just a moniker, it is an injunction to not reveal anything to non-initiates, or risk soul-destruction. Its not optional.

>>40968985
Neither Christ nor Buddha expected money for their work and both rejected financial means. Money is evil.
>>40970711
Keeping of occult knowledge is exclusively done to maintain power. The Egyptian high priests didn’t hold their knowledge close to keep people safe, they used it to enrich the kingdom and the pharaoh. This is the nature of all esotericism. It’s a source of power! But it’s short sighted to keep it to yourself, knowledge is meant to be shared. The only way you risk self destruction is by undergoing this journey by yourself without proper guidance and that’s exactly the situation that priesthoods and cults of secrecy create for new practitioners. This shit should be as abundant and well known as washing your hands.

>>40970711
>hurr durr... I am very special!!! now pay me!!!
Narcissistic little faggot. Now go ahead and try to put a spell on me lmao.

>>40970731
>Keeping of occult knowledge is exclusively done to maintain power.
This. All of these grifters are just pieces of shit.

>>40970925
Neat, not gonna have to say anything here.

>>40967793
Why is it dangerous anon? I'm trying to have one after a demonic experience I want to fight this fucker

>>40967793
Typical /x/ larp
>i-it;s dangerous! I know but I won’t say why I. This post! P-pay attention to me!
>>40967778 (OP)
It’s barely effective and might help you relax a bit. That’s all.

>>40968404
>>40972495
He's right. You have no idea what you're doing. To access other realms puts you in a very open or exposed state. Entities can and will attach to your auric body if you don't take proper precautions. There's a reason that ceremonial magic focuses so heavily on banishing rituals in the beginning. Only adepts should do any of this. Why do you think New Age and psychonaut communities (which are and have always been intelligence ops) push so hard for these types of experiences. Salvation doesn't lie in astral projection or eating bizarre shit we were never supposed to eat. It lies in knowledge and direct experience. If you're gonna insist on this stuff, stick to lucid dreaming where you at least remain in complete control within (rather than outside) the microcosm

>>40970731
Esoteric and occult knowledge is not for the masses, they have little use for it as they don't understand it nor in their nature. At worst it can be a danger to themselves or others, there are indeed many evil and wicked people who use it for their own goals at the expanse of others.
It require a seeker of knowledge and truth to pursue the mysteries.
What people in your life, among family, friends and coworker or anyone, would honestly have a genuine interest and dedicate their free time pursuing esoteric spirituality, the occult and magic?

>>40967778 (OP)
>$333
*cringe*
it seems like every new ager selling something uses angel numbers

>>40968404
Tell us 3 things from outside the box

>>40973651
Shut the fuck up you dumb fedboi.
There's absolutely no danger, stop making shit up.

>>40975392
The funny thing about being outside the box is that you can't comprehend it from within the box, so information generally doesn't survive the round trip.
>You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
>Words cannot describe it.
>Unfathomable

>>40973651
>Noooo! Don't have direct experience with the divine and gain sacred knowledge!!! It's le bad!!!
Fucking idiot.

>>40972493
based

>>40968112
>$20 dollars is a normal price for a cd.
Lmao. Have you been living under a rock?
The vast majority of modern musicians give their music away for FREE on sites like bandcamp etc. You only pay for the high quality versions if you want to and it's not even $20, usually like $10-$12.

>>40975189
Spoken like a true larper. Let me guess, anyone who's truly interested needs to join the shabbos goy freegaysons, yeah?

>>40978336
You think you can go find a real shaman, monk or whatever and they'll just teach advanced techniques and practices? You couldn't pay them even if you wanted to.

>>40975189
I guess we have different experiences because I was inducted into this shit by my mother and my grandmother was into it too. I’ve had plenty of friends and random people I’ve met who were into the idea of an esoteric path or at least interested in the ideas. Maybe you should be projecting your aura more to attract such people.

>>40979081
Inducted into what?

>>40967778 (OP)

>to experience this you just need to purchase my course for $333 teeheee

As a reader of Monroe and listner of the Gateway Tapes. They sell stuff because they need to make a living I guess which sounds like a scam. But if Monroe would be alive today he would upload the tapes for free on spotify or Youtube, for people to experience.
All these poor people that actually wanted to discover things that would shake up science and the whole society as a whole were silenced by the glow niggers and materliast faggots.

The acceptance of the "Spectral" have been resisted for so long by these NPC Boomers, now their system breaks down, they became the slaves of their own worldview with faggotry and retardation. Even though they are dying out the system that they developed will not go out without a fight, and the worst that we can do is to allow them to restrict freedom of speech. Freedom and the path of transformation (as in hero's journey) is the most vital part of being human. Therefore - Long live Promethus! Long live the Spectral Revolution!

>>40979055
Let me guess, you know these "advanced techniques" and you're basically a sorcerer? Lmao. As far as I know advanced meditation techniques aren't gatekept and there's plenty of info online regarding esoteric knowledge and interpretations. Shamans are just going to drug you and look over you, no? Oh please enlighten us oh wise one.
Your cringe larp is clear as day.

>>40967793
Mercury btw is the only metal that is liquid at room temperature that is banned by globohomo while being completely safe.
>ask why?
>used in free energy generators in the past

>>40972493
I was almost trapped and possessed by a astral demon after travelling during an OBE experience and underestimating the situation. As funny as the idea of learning how to astral travel just to mess up a demon is, it's not a good idea. >>40968404
>>40972495
>>40976197
>>40976204
Wow, glow harder guys.
>There's ZERO danger
Sure, the countless demons and hungry ghosts out there are DEFINITELY not a threat, at all, to anyone. They're all your friends.

OBE can be good and very useful. But it is an advanced practice. Can you do it without being advanced yourself? Sure. Will it benefit you? Marginally, or even not at all. What absolutely can happen though are attacks from astral beings, just as much (if not more, depending on on where you are) as you can be helped by astral beings. Both have happened to me. But I would recommend waiting until you're ready and can adequately defend yourself if you find yourself in a bad spot. You benefit the most from astral travelling when you've become spiritually advanced in daily life such that the difference is marginal, and it would alsi help to know appropriate purification rituals to clense both yourself (I recommend doing acamana, then pranayana, and finally japa, in this order in the morning) and the area you're in.

there is something very weird about the way bob monroe/thomas campbell/gateway are being pushed so heavily. it goes beyond grift

>>40982568
Is there a single documented case of someone going insane or something after being possessed / attacked during "astral projection"? Bob Monroe claimed he was attacked all the time and didn't know wtf he was doing. He always came back fine.
I've had many extremely vivid dreams of being attacked by all sorts of malevolent entities and besides some minor ptsd the next day I'm fine.
What's the real danger here? It seems to me people like you just make this type of shit up to keep your grift alive.

>>40982710
>It seems to me people like you just make this type of shit up to keep your grift alive.
What's his grift? Or are you just throwing around buzzwords?

>>40982710
>accuses people advocating for caution and patience for being grifters
>cites Bob Monroe
Lmfao

Very simply you run the risk of getting your subtle body damaged, which can cause long term mental health problems (ranging from benign to detrimental) that require extensive care of one's chakras and channels to fix (if you manage to fix it). In worse cases it causes issues which share symptoms with schizophrenia and/or depression. I had a friend who got possessed, and he was frequently seeing horrible visions and voices, and as such was depressed all the time. In a case where I got attacked and couldn't escape/defend myself, it was a much more benign problem since it was some sort of succubus (I felt drained for about a month afterwards). In the absolute best scenario nothing happens, but it's odd that people such as yourself seem to shoot down any cautionary advices with the practice.

>>40973651
Retard we go into the astral whenever we sleep. Is it better to do it unaware or aware of it?

>>40982784
>What's his grift?
His livelihood probably depends on people believing this shit... Selling protection rocks and crystals, books and online courses.
I've noticed people like to accuse others of using "buzzwords" when they've been exposed.

>>40982871
So Monroe was a grifter in your opinion? And you're an expert who spends his time on 4chan /x/? Got it.
Are there any documented cases of what you described or should I just "trust you bro".
As I've said I've already had hundreds of intense extremely vivid dreams in all sorts of hell like scenarios. I'm not afraid of any of this shit.
You and your friend are probably edgy 15 year olds who got traumatized by bad dreams.

>>40983276
>tries to deminish the credibility of people using /x/
>uses /x/ himself
Did the mask just slipped a bit, schlomo? I can see the glow from here.

Tell me this rabbi, why are you so hostile to the very idea of being cautious when it comes to astral travelling? Why is safety such a big problem?

>>40976204
Feel free to venture into unknown waters, but don't say we didn't warn you

>>40983644
I'm not trying to deminish the credibility of people using /x/. I'm trying to diminish the credibility of all the obvious cornball larping teenagers on here.
I hardly ever come here (maybe once a year). I'm only here because I've been going down the gateway tapes rabbit hole, saw some interview with Mark Certo where he was shilling his triad mind course, and decided to post about my thoughts on that here (I'm op btw).
>Gets called out so accuses me of being jewish
Ah, classic
I'm hostile to the idea of obvious larpers acting like they're enlightened shaman who have all the answers.

>>40983856
You didn't answer my question. Why are you so hostile to the idea of practising safety in relation of astral travelling?

>>40983946
I did answer your question. Read the last sentence.
I'm not hostile to the idea of practising safety, but I think you're just fearmongering.
Why don't you enlighten us all on the safety and cautionary steps which should be used? How do you personally get into a state where you can "astral project"? How old are you and how long have you been doing this?

>>40983998
Just practice yoga (doesn't really matter whether it's ashtanga, hatha, or even something within Vajrayana, as long as you consistently practice traditional authentic spirituality in daily life outside of any attempt at OBEs) to strengthen your astral body as a biproduct of a more spiritual trajectory in life. Then very specifically before doing anything like astral travelling, which should be treated as an advanced form of yoga or meditation; just perform acamana and sprincle (with care) some of the sanctified water you used on all the thresholds of the house you're in (including windows). If you're paranoid or have been attacked where you are, then you can sanctify water with the Narasimha mantra (Om Sri Narasimhaya Namah) and sprinkle it on the thresholds. Then you're pretty much good. You can find the appropriate mantras and mudras online, for free.

As for getting into the state, if you seriously practice daily sadhana and then try the techniques you've learned from that lifestyle when you go to sleep (or, even better, when you wake up very early in the morning and attempt to "doze" for an extra hour or so) it should become fairly easy to have OBEs (and meaninful dreams as well). That's what worked for me at least. I observe when my body goes to sleep, my mind wants to dream, and try and keep that observing awareness until I get either a swingin or vibration sensation, from which point I simply roll out or sit up. Then, in that state, these days I typically meditate instead of travelling.

>>40983998
As for fearmongering, is it fearmongering if you tell someone crossing a street for the first time to pay attention so as to not get hit by a car? And simply saying "I've done it X many times and I've never been hit" isn't exactly helpful for such people. Sure, if you cross a road somewhere in rural Alaska there's not much chance you'll get hit with a car, but some people live in Chicago.

Again, I'm not saying people should be afraid of OBEs or otherwise try their best not to have them. I'm just saying that stating that "there's absolutely no danger" is irresponsible.

>>40984346
You didn't answer my last question. How old are you and how long have you been doing this?

>>40984346
More bullshit to keep the grift alive.

>>40984997
Lol stfu dude. You think vivid dreams are the same astral projection.

>>40985053
It's vivid lucid dreaming. You're just retarded.